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posted by janrinok on Thursday April 17 2014, @04:33AM   Printer-friendly
from the someone-is-to-blame dept.

The Guardian brings us the reason this winter was unusually awful for the US.

China's air pollution could be intensifying storms over the Pacific Ocean and altering weather patterns in North America, according to scientists in the US. A team from Texas, California and Washington state has found that pollution from Asia, much of it arising in China, is leading to more intense cyclones, increased precipitation and more warm air in the mid-Pacific moving towards the north pole.

As we suffer through a winter of discontent (it is still snowing here in the north east) do you actually believe that China will change policies, or will they continue to "stop global warming" through extensive use of coal?

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  • (Score: 3, Funny) by Kilo110 on Thursday April 17 2014, @04:56AM

    by Kilo110 (2853) Subscriber Badge on Thursday April 17 2014, @04:56AM (#32510)

    Or we can just go the way of the "climate-deniers", plug our ears, and yell that none of this is actually happening.

    • (Score: 2, Funny) by fishybell on Thursday April 17 2014, @05:03AM

      by fishybell (3156) on Thursday April 17 2014, @05:03AM (#32511)

      LA LA LA!!! Can't hear you! LA LA LA!

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 17 2014, @07:18AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 17 2014, @07:18AM (#32538)

      But who is ultimately to blame? Clinton for opening up to red China, Walmart and the Waltons for shifting production there and killing US jobs, production and enterprise. And behind them, every exec who farmed out production to China - Apple, Dell, HP, Canon, Nikon, ...........

      When you had production - making widgets - in 1st world countries, you had control over pollution. Yes, it cost money and the people cost money. To save that money, the greedy piglets took it all away, out of sight, to China. And now the smoke from those unregulated, even greedier fires, is blowing in the face of the original perpetrators. Or at least, their victims (er, customers?, consumers?).

      Its too late, the horsie is long from the farm, and good luck trying to reign it in.

      • (Score: 2) by umafuckitt on Thursday April 17 2014, @02:44PM

        by umafuckitt (20) on Thursday April 17 2014, @02:44PM (#32679)

        Walmart and the Waltons for shifting production there and killing US jobs,

        And in doing so they're just following the principles of the "free market", which politicians and capitalists love so much.

  • (Score: 5, Informative) by c0lo on Thursday April 17 2014, @06:42AM

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday April 17 2014, @06:42AM (#32528) Journal

    do you actually believe that China will change policies

    The correct question would be: "Do you believe China will be willing/able to implement their policies?"

    Links

    1. China will aim to cut total coal consumption to below 65 percent of total primary energy use by 2017 [reuters.com]
    2. China's coal consumption to peak 4 billions tones by end 2015 [smh.com.au] - note: SMH is Sydney Morning Herald, this article is an "alarm signal" for Australia: "Guys, soon China's not going to buy that much coal from us"
    3. 2013-2014 China's coal consumption growth rate dropped significantly [beforeitsnews.com] (therefore coal consumption peaking in 2015 is plausible)
    4. China (and India) pledged to reduce their CO2 emission intensity (CO2 per unit of GDP). China's target by 2020 is 40-45% [anu.edu.au]
    5. . Managed to reduce this intensity by 3.5% in 2012 [reuters.com]

    6. US lags behind China in renewables investments [cleantechnica.com]
    7. China's energy production from wind [wikipedia.org] - y.o.y growth 66% in 2011, 39% in 2012 - reached 103TWh in 2012 (comparison: US 2012: 140.8 TWh [wikipedia.org]
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    • (Score: 2) by Blackmoore on Thursday April 17 2014, @06:49AM

      by Blackmoore (57) on Thursday April 17 2014, @06:49AM (#32531) Journal

      it's clear to me that China WANTS and talks about changing the source of motive power. Renewables would be best since they would not have to pay to import them. THat's why they are investing in solar, wind, damn near anything..

      but something is wrong. instead of setting up local solar generation. the panels are getting sold outside the country. often subsidised to force other countries solar manufactures out of the business.

      so, is it malicious?

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Thursday April 17 2014, @07:08AM

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday April 17 2014, @07:08AM (#32535) Journal

        so, is it malicious?

        Depends on who judges the "malice": they still need to get a good chunk of their population out of poverty. And other countries seem happy to outsource their production to China - so China can afford to use an old US-invented business model [wikipedia.org].
        Thinking how aggressive US "defends its interests" on various geographies, I can't quite blame China for "economic aggression". After all, China's economy forced-growth keep many countries afloat over GFC (US included: in spite of seeing its currency reserve devaluated by a falling USD, China continued to buy US bonds).

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        • (Score: 2) by Blackmoore on Thursday April 17 2014, @01:32PM

          by Blackmoore (57) on Thursday April 17 2014, @01:32PM (#32633) Journal

          well, a funny thing happens when you outsource manufacturing of a product like a solar panel to China.

          for some reason a Chinese owned company seems to release a near identical product just after you scale up. Now China talks about using this domestically; but if that's the case then they should be buying and setting up solar right? Support businesses inside the country? (that they have already paid a subsidy?)

          But the panels get on a boat, and get sold in the US instead. Sure the market will pay a lot more for those panels in the US; but they are getting sold at prices that will close down solar panel manufacturing in the US just like we lost the steel mills.

          it stinks of economic warfare.

          • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday April 17 2014, @01:48PM

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday April 17 2014, @01:48PM (#32644) Journal

            it stinks of economic warfare.

            Well... a bit of perspective... I think I still prefer their "warfare" (with the lost of probable 10K jobs) over $6T spent in pure destruction [globalresearch.ca].

            Besides, even after eliminating competition, they are selling them at the same price, so you can still pocket the difference as "a present from the people of great china"

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  • (Score: 2) by lx on Thursday April 17 2014, @07:10AM

    by lx (1915) on Thursday April 17 2014, @07:10AM (#32537)

    We have had the mildest winter and are having the warmest spring in decades, so it's not all bad.

    • (Score: 2) by isostatic on Thursday April 17 2014, @09:43PM

      by isostatic (365) on Thursday April 17 2014, @09:43PM (#32846) Journal

      It is if you were looking forward to building a snowman

    • (Score: 2) by lubricus on Friday April 18 2014, @06:31AM

      by lubricus (232) on Friday April 18 2014, @06:31AM (#32984)

      This could easily go the other way!

      We had a mild winter in Europe while the US had an extreme winter, with freezes as far south as Atlanta. The important thing is to realize why: The polar vortex was the result of the cold artic air breaking through the arctic fence, and moving down into North America.

      In essence, climate change allows the cold arctic air to "wobble" off the pole, which warmed Europe as it froze North America.

      The important thing to realize is that this wobble could occur in any direction, and the unpredictability of this is the scary part.

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  • (Score: 4, Funny) by everdred on Thursday April 17 2014, @02:48PM

    by everdred (110) on Thursday April 17 2014, @02:48PM (#32683) Journal

    ...is a great example of why we need summaries in the RSS feed. The title actually got me a little excited. :\

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Dr Ippy on Thursday April 17 2014, @03:05PM

    by Dr Ippy (3973) on Thursday April 17 2014, @03:05PM (#32693)

    Another study based on computer modelling.

    Until weather-climate models* improve their prediction accuracy, it's best to take their findings with a large pinch of salt. They're not necessarily wrong, but they're not necessarily right either.

    Anyone who's done much computer modelling knows that parameters can be tweaked, sometime unconsciously, to confirm one's prejudices.

    * The UK Met Office uses a unified model [metoffice.gov.uk] for both short-term and long-term (climate change) forecasting.

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