WP reports that researchers from the University of Melbourne surveyed 315 same-sex parents with a total of 500 children. About 80 per cent of the children have female parents, while 18 percent have male parents. The children raised by same-sex partners scored an average of six percent higher than the general population on measures of general health and family cohesion. They were equivalent to those from the general population on measures of temperament and mood, behaviour, mental health and self-esteem.
Lead researcher Dr Simon Crouch said same-sex couples are more likely to share child-care and work responsibilities more equally than heterosexual parent families, based more on skills rather than gender roles. "This appears to be contributing to a more harmonious household and having a positive impact on child health," he said. "But about two-thirds of these children experience some form of stigma due to their parents' sexual orientation."
But Benjamin Siegel, professor of pediatrics at the Boston University School of Medicine, said there are limits with such research. He told Boston University Today last year that none of the studies has been a randomized, controlled trial and that all studies on same-sex parenting are small since there aren't as many same-sex parents.
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SMISC, which was announced in 2011, has been regarded as the means by which the US military can both detect and conduct propaganda campaigns via social media.
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(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 09 2014, @10:19PM
Since the actual study doesn't seem to be available, just a press-release style summary, I'm going to make a guesa:
Same-sex parents never get pregnant by accident. So if they have a kid it means they feel prepared - economically and logistically - to care for a child. That's probably going to result in those kids getting higher quality parental attention than from parents who weren't ready for a kid.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by hubie on Wednesday July 09 2014, @10:35PM
Are any error bars given? Six percent on a sample of 300 makes me want to know the statistical significance of the result.
Of course, I have little hope that would be taken into account anyway. You hear on the news leading up to elections all the time that Candidate Jones has pulled ahead in polling 52% to 48% (with a margin of error of 4%). Even when they tell you the margin of error up front, the headline is still "pulls ahead" or "is leading" or something like that. Given the predictable political reactions on this topic, I'm sure much ballyhoo will be made of the result one way or another, even if it isn't statistically significant.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by mrider on Wednesday July 09 2014, @10:38PM
Agreed. Additionally, I would posit that at least some same-sex parents probably feel more pressure to treat their kids properly, even if it's sub-conscious. Even if it's only to prove to "everyone else" how wrong they are.
Doctor: "Do you hear voices?"
Me: "Only when my bluetooth is charged."
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Pslytely Psycho on Thursday July 10 2014, @05:57AM
"Agreed. Additionally, I would posit that at least some same-sex parents probably feel more pressure to treat their kids properly, even if it's sub-conscious. Even if it's only to prove to "everyone else" how wrong they are."
I wouldn't hesitate to propose that it is most rather than some. I only personally know 3 such families, so this is anecdotal at best, but all three of these couples (2 female and 1 male couple) are some of the best parents I've ever seen. And the male couple are a neighbor who can always be relied on to lend a hand in a time of need.
I hate to admit it, but when I they moved in 10 years ago, my first reaction was revulsion.
Now we Bar-B-Que on weekends together and they've become close friends to my entire family. Always good to have a per-conceived notion (oddly, one that I would of sworn I DIDN'T hold) corrected.
Alex Jones lawyer inspires new TV series: CSI Moron Division.
(Score: 0, Offtopic) by Zanothis on Thursday July 10 2014, @02:07PM
Sorry, I couldn't stop myself.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Hawkwind on Wednesday July 09 2014, @11:05PM
At least it seems like they have a high number of data points.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by choose another one on Wednesday July 09 2014, @11:43PM
And not just prepared for a child, but actually desiring one. There is already plenty of evidence that children of unintended pregnancies fare worse in life on a bunch of measures, and with unintended pregnancy rate over 40%, that could well overwhelm any effect they are trying to measure.
Comparing children adopted by same-sex couples vs. adopted by heterosexual couples would be a lot more interesting.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Reziac on Thursday July 10 2014, @04:44AM
The kids I've known that were adopted by hetero couples -- if there were multiple kids in the household, fine. If the adoptee was a solo child -- they are uniformly the most messed-up kids I know, mainly all the issues usual to being spoiled and always getting their own way. No doubt it's the difference between "one kid more or less makes no difference" and "desperation when Mother Nature says No Kids For You".
"There is already plenty of evidence that children of unintended pregnancies fare worse in life on a bunch of measures"
On that note, someone once pointed out a good correlation between readily available abortion (hence fewer unwanted kids) and a strong decline in street gangs and associated crime. I don't have stats to hand but would be interesting to see.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 10 2014, @05:15AM
On that note, someone once pointed out a good correlation between readily available abortion (hence fewer unwanted kids) and a strong decline in street gangs and associated crime. I don't have stats to hand but would be interesting to see.
That was the freakonomics guy. There are enough other factors to suggest it probably isn't more than weakly connected, although it is hard to say with much confidence because you can't trust that the people refuting it aren't ideologically driven to lie by omission. Getting the lead out of gasoline probably had a much greater effect. [bbc.com] There are people who are ideologically opposed to that theory to but it in general there is much less "mud in the water."
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday July 10 2014, @06:33PM
You could also make another guess:
This Crouch dude is gay. The study is so flawed, that it will never pass any peer review. He did admit that the children had a rather high incidence of mental problems, but brushes that aside.
(Score: 4, Funny) by c0lo on Wednesday July 09 2014, @10:22PM
As many as what? How much greener*** you need the same-sex parents?
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***(Lemma 1. The crocodile is longer than it is green: the crocodile is long on the top and on the bottom, but it is green only on the top. Therefore, the crocodile is longer than it is green.
Lemma 2. The crocodile is greener than it is wide: the crocodile is green along its length and width, but it is wide only along its width. Therefore, the crocodile is greener than it is wide.
From Lemma 1 and Lemma 2 we conclude that the crocodile is longer than it is wide.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 09 2014, @10:25PM
Gender roles were invented to stop women from ruining traditional families by constantly competing for control of everything.
(Score: 2) by mtrycz on Thursday July 10 2014, @03:30PM
Don't care enought to stand by your opinion with your name, AC?
In capitalist America, ads view YOU!
(Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 09 2014, @10:30PM
About 80 per cent of the children have female parents
Where did the other 20% com from?
(Score: 2) by Tork on Thursday July 10 2014, @12:14AM
🏳️🌈 Proud Ally 🏳️🌈
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 10 2014, @02:16AM
Its pretty dull actually. He's just another geektard who can't grasp that context is a significant part of communication. Even programming languages use context - it's called scope.
(Score: 2) by cafebabe on Thursday July 10 2014, @12:59AM
You may not have noticed that 80% of the parents were female and 18% of the parents were male.
1702845791×2
(Score: 2) by captain normal on Thursday July 10 2014, @04:27AM
That leaves 2% who are??
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts"- --Daniel Patrick Moynihan--
(Score: 2) by cafebabe on Thursday July 10 2014, @04:51AM
Presumably, the remainder are transgendered, intersexed or something else. Very little can be ruled out. For example, it is possible for a parent to be neuter or asexual if this occurred after having children.
1702845791×2
(Score: 3, Interesting) by kaszz on Wednesday July 09 2014, @10:50PM
"scored an average of six percent higher than the general population on measures of general health and family cohesion"
Did they account for ostracizing and bullying when making this claim? or just did a survey for parents with children too young to venture outside or before going to school?
(Score: 2, Informative) by Hawkwind on Wednesday July 09 2014, @11:10PM
Calling this a report seems like an overstatement. I'd call it an update. It's one page (second link in the post). It describes itself: 'This brief interim report identifies some of the key early highlights from the ACHESS.'
A sign of possible interesting information in the future but a far cry from a scientific paper.
(Score: 2, Offtopic) by kaszz on Wednesday July 09 2014, @11:33PM
Reports on these matters all to often is study to prove a political agenda.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 09 2014, @11:14PM
> Did they account for ostracizing and bullying when making this claim?
RTFS: "But about two-thirds of these children experience some form of stigma due to their parents' sexual orientation.
(Score: 2) by kaszz on Thursday July 10 2014, @12:19AM
But that doesn't seem to have affected the 6% happier than others figure. It doesn't add up.
(Score: 2, Informative) by khedoros on Thursday July 10 2014, @12:35AM
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Tork on Thursday July 10 2014, @12:17AM
🏳️🌈 Proud Ally 🏳️🌈
(Score: 2) by mojo chan on Thursday July 10 2014, @07:32AM
Is that even a thing in Australia? Seems like a fairly progressive country when it comes to gay rights.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
(Score: 3, Insightful) by kaszz on Thursday July 10 2014, @10:48AM
It's populated by humans..
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by APK on Thursday July 10 2014, @12:07AM
I'd almost wager it's since the kids aren't exposed to a "pavlov dog's" bombardment of opposites from females (illogic based largely, & NOBODY can tell me otherwise/differently) vs. males (largely based in logic, MOST of the time).
It'd be enough to screw up ANYONE's brain, bigtime - heck: Almost drove ME nuts (my sis ran away, my brother took off to my father's place when he couldn't take my Ma's constant "do not as I do, do as I say" b.s. & contradictions, + trying to live out her failed dreams thru any of us she could imo).
So = trust me on that: "Been there, done that" with parents who were TOTAL (& I mean truly, TRULY total) opposites!
In the end about a decade back?
I had my parents write me out of their wills, & with GOOD reason - I want ZERO to do with them!
Personally, & I am SURE this is probably everywhere though - I think that my family's nuts actually, but FAR WORSE on the female end (from not having seen my mother in many years, recently letting her come back into my world - UNFORTUNATELY, that is, out of mercy for the fact nobody else wants her around)... BIG mistake!
See - Especially NOW, after today's loony-bin escapades that happened here while I was working on a property of mine? I especially remember why too (on my end, as well as others feeling the same)... I've NEVER, ever been subject to SUCH A MASSIVE TORRENTIAL FLOOD of illogical + backasswards thinking & going about things!
She just about drove me nuts the past 2++ weeks now in fact (don't want to get into details, it'd be embarassing actually).
Man... So much so, I am VERY CLOSE to telling her to "hit the road" again, for good, until she shapes up. Never will though. My roomies told me "It's NOT you man, quit 'beating yourself up'" & so did my best pal Jack (who knows both my parents).
(I just don't have the heart to, to be honest - she's very old is why & alone - but, IF I don't? She'd drive me crackers...).
APK
P.S.=> There IS a reason I say all of this: "Been there, done that" & a broken family (& I don't blame THAT for shit happening to ME, ever... heck, if my parents DID stay together? One day, there would have been a DOUBLE-MURDER I figure, no lie. They're BOTH far better off being FAR apart & so are us kids of theirs... I hated the CONSTANT fighting inside the home (of which, I have to say, BOTH parents were @ fault equally (even though my ma could give an aspirin a headache & if Jesus came in the room, SHE would tell HIM "Get a haircut you loser!", lol) - total, & I MEAN TOTAL, opposites ideologically (almost) + certainly in lifestyle & outlooks on life & goals))... apk
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(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 10 2014, @12:20AM
> It'd be enough to screw up ANYONE's brain, bigtime - heck: Almost drove ME nuts
Your post is an example of someone who is so overwhelmed by their own experiences that they think everybody else has had the same experiences. Your post is chock-full of baseless extrapolations from a single data point. It says everything about you, but very little about the rest of the world. I think you'll need to figure that out before you can get past it.
(Score: 1) by APK on Thursday July 10 2014, @12:32AM
My ex brother-in-law, not TOO long ago (who knows what's-what in MY family) told me pretty much the SAME THING from his side of the family. He said "Don't sweat it man, hope this makes you feel a bit better but it's the same shit, everywhere in every family to some degree" so... maybe you're right in some cases, however, you MUST also consider that you are not as well.
APK
P.S.=> Which is pretty much what I am saying really, but... I can't HELP it, based on the premise of this article (same sex families) MAY be correct, albeit due to what I just stated (logic/male thinking NOT colliding with illogic/female thinking, constantly, being avoided by same sex families & homes/environments for kids to be raised in)... apk
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 10 2014, @12:39AM
you hit the nail on the head.
OP, you sound very hung up about your own issues. I wouldn't go around trying to analyze other families because you'll just end up projecting.
(Score: 1) by APK on Thursday July 10 2014, @12:53AM
http://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?sid=2813&cid=66819 [soylentnews.org] & ONLY thing I am "hung up on" is consideration for a parent (who MEANS to do "the right thing", in her OWN way (f'd up hugely, & I've shown her that + she's even ADMITTED it, albeit begrudgingly (told me to be patient with her in fact this a.m. but always "reverts to the same old, same old")), or consideration for MY sanity (to deal with her jeopardizes it, SEVERELY, kid you not... but to hurt her feelings makes me feel like shit).
APK
P.S.=> Anyhow/anyways - I found out in the link above, from an "ex-in law", that others go thru pretty much the same shit (I just "divorced myself" from the ALL pretty much, except I do like speaking to my Dad MOST OF THE TIME now that I'm older (not when I was younger though))... apk
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 10 2014, @02:09AM
You're also quite hung up on random use of all caps. It screams "RAVING LOONEY"
If you want people to actually absorb what you are saying and not dismisss it as a rant, please tone down the expression. Poeple can still get your expression from a properly constructed sentence and the occasional exclamation point.
(Score: 0, Offtopic) by APK on Thursday July 10 2014, @03:48AM
1.) Are you a practicing psychological professional?
2.) Are you licensed to practice in the psychiatric sciences professionally??
3.) Do you have a PhD in the psychiatric sciences???
3.) Most importantly - Do you have a formal examination of myself given in a professional psychiatric environs to SUPPORT your "insta/snap" so-called "prognosis/diagnonsis"????
* I am guessing (& by this point, also strongly believe) that it's actually a HUGE "NO" to all of the above questions though.
(HOWEVER - If "yes" to ANY of the above - provide proof of that much (since you'd be the 1st "shrink" I ever met named "anonymous coward", lol...))
APK
P.S.=> "Onwards & UPWARDS" folks - dispatching yet another wannabe "SiDeWaLk-ShRiNk" with delusions of grandeur @ being a licensed degreed practicing psychiatric professional, yet again, with 4 simple questions... apk
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(Score: -1, Flamebait) by APK on Thursday July 10 2014, @05:44AM
"If you want people to actually absorb what you are saying and not dismisss it as a rant, please tone down the expression. Poeple can still get your expression from a properly constructed sentence and the occasional exclamation point.' - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 09, @02:09PM (#66848)
Note your BOLDED portions of your quoted b.s.? Learn to "practice what you preach", hypocrite!
(Since "properly constructed sentences" don't HAVE rampant misspellings in them...)
NOW - also top that off with your "delusions of grandeur" @ being a licensed & degreed practicing psychiatric pro as well (minus those items to your name/credit lending you SOME credibility vs. your illuions)?
Puh-leese, lol -> http://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?sid=2813&cid=66876 [soylentnews.org]
* You, & those *LIKE* you? Make me laugh...
Too bad it's soon going to be EASY to deal with you idiots on this forums (which will bring in users from /. by the DROVES I suspect since that place has become a sockpuppet riddled wreck for downmodding 'carpet bombers' too in addition to puny ac trolls with no integrity or BALLS like you too), courtesy of an idea from "yours truly" that I've seen on UBB boards for decades, & The Mighty Buzzard who is most likely going to implement it on THIS forums -> http://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?sid=2790&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=improvedthreaded&cid=66024 [soylentnews.org] making it FAR SUPERIOR to /., by far.
APK
P.S.=> Gotta love you "AC Trolls" - you're ridiculously EASY to dispatch using your OWN b.s. against you... & man, you just KNOW I've just GOTTA say it, now don't you? Ah, but of COURSE you do (as is per my own "inimitable style"):
THIS? This was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2ez'", & it always is, vs. hypocritcal b.s. spouting easily reverse psychology dismantled dimwitted no balls AC trolls like yourself (with no integrity, and certainly NO BRAINS either... lmao!)... apk",
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 10 2014, @06:17AM
Well said, what a fruit cake.
(Score: 1) by APK on Thursday July 10 2014, @06:45AM
Good luck (You'll need it since I've YET to meet a PhD in the psychiatric sciences named "Anonymous Coward", lol) http://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?sid=2813&cid=66876 [soylentnews.org]
APK
P.S.=> I pity you, I truly do - I mean, seriously: YOU ARE WORSE THAN WOMEN I'VE TOLD "HIT THE ROAD/YOU'RE FIRED" for Pete's sake - just HOW BADLY have I dusted you in a tech debate that you "troll me" like a spurned WENCH the way you do here, on /., & who knows where else I post? Grow up, get a life, do something productive with your time fool, like I have -> http://start64.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5851:apk-hosts-file-engine-64bit-version&catid=26:64bit-security-software&Itemid=74 [start64.com] instead (be of service to others, it works out for you too, rather than being a trolling goof like you are wasting your time in this life)... apk
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(Score: 2) by captain normal on Thursday July 10 2014, @04:39AM
OMG...APK is here!! All I can say is welcome.
Plus your post explains a lot. I am not a judge...I too use hosts files on occasion. It just seems that now SN has made it.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts"- --Daniel Patrick Moynihan--
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by APK on Thursday July 10 2014, @06:36AM
I like it here so far: Better stories, less "politicizing" (shit makes me ill, as there's NO ANSWERS when Corporation & state NEED to be separated as the SOLUTION (it works vs. fascism) like Church & state were).
That crap's depressing AND the province of parasites & screwups that ONLY do it to further their OWN personal agendas, & are screwing up the planet, daily - removing our constitutional rights even ("Free Speech Zones"? WTF?? The whole NATION is one for Pete's sake!).
Here though? I see more of the GOOD things folks do in Comp. Sci., engineering, & other sciences here!
Which tends to 'brighten my day' seeing news like THAT (sort of like the failed psychological manipulation facebook experiment lately, except in reverse, AND "self-administered" by myself ON myself, coming here more than /. since it's become a SOCKPUPPET riddled wreckage for carpet bombing donwmodding others & the home of ac trolls (miserable scum that they are) with their "hit & run" unjustifiable downmods...).
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It's also 'courtesy of "yours truly", GOING TO GET EVEN BETTER HERE w/ help from The Mighty Buzzard who looks to be implementing it here soon -> http://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?sid=2790&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=improvedthreaded&cid=66024 [soylentnews.org] )
Well... not really "MY ORIGINAL IDEA" though!
I.E.-> I've seen it on UBB forums boards for decades.
Yes - it just works & is FAIR (unlike slashcode on SLASHDOT: Which speaks WORLDS of its designers - weasels imo. Why? They have FORGOTTEN "their ghost is in the machine" of their code, their character... leaving the ability to sockpuppet and downmod via that bogus method?? Speaks WORLDS of their characters I am sorry to say...!)
I.E.-> The feature is simple:
The ability to ID a downmodding detractor etc. so folks can assist the moderation staff + also POLICE THEMSELVES via peers noting who is doing WHAT around here in "trolling"!
(The province of TRULY cowardly SCUM online and yes, in life) via the fair ability to confront a detractor who doesn't justify their b.s. downmods too & is ONLY fair, evening the playing field taking away the "advantage" sockpuppeteers on /. have)
Yes - there are TONS of sockpuppeteers there (for downmodding their opponents when they cannot logically & factually disprove their points on validly)!
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Hey - I've literally caught a few red-handed & even an advertiser PROJECTING CLEARLY he's doing it there recently in raymorris of ClickBank/Vertis putting down hosts & making HUGE tech mistakes on Linux vs. Windows too -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5351503&cid=47381099 [slashdot.org]
Yes, using "admen tactics" in "jump on the bandwagon" psych tactics putting down hosts, which I confronted him on NICELY @ first, & he downmodded a DOZEN times which oddly, he PROJECTED he knows downmods HIDE posts - especially on hosts as he literally stated!
(Sockpuppet users which I can produce LARGE BODIES of evidences of advertisers using mind you as well)
Result?
RayMorris ran from disproving my valid points on hosts... every SINGLE time!
That is, UNTIL I "busted him" on the FACT he is an advertiser & exposed him in it, getting him to tip his hand AND show his "tell" basically - reactions say it all:
He ignored me A DOZEN TIMES++ & downmodded me UNTIL that happened, lol!
I.E./E.G.-> He said "nobody wants to read about hosts" - using everyone/noone/everybody/nobody was what tipped me off, it's a marketing tactic "get on the bandwagon" b.s. & a MIND game only!
(Whereas, literally - I can show hundreds of posts in upmods of mine AND quotes of folks like YOU provign otherwise on /. no less as CONCRETE, verifiable & UNDENIABLE facts, vs. his clear FEAR of hosts being projected there and in his downmods of my challenges, completely fair to disprove my points on hosts validly with facts, which he CANNOT - heck, nobody can - it's truth & fact, host ARE the way of the future vs. threats of all kinds online, more speed, security, reliability, AND anonymity to an extent only on the latter, period).
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(Long & Short - /., has gone to hell, putting it quite simply & being as forthright as I can about it there... & partially due to scum that are advertisers or those fronting a PERSONAL AGENDA that benefits ONLY them... whereas by way of comparison? I do what I do, for free, for the ABSOLUTE GOOD of all by - yes, even ADMEN can benefit by hosts usage...)
Hey... even courts of law allow it, for example as far as CONFRONTING & IDENTIFYING a detractor/accuser (regarding sockpuppeteering downmodders especially).
The mods here & devs also seem actually CONCERNED about it here too (The Mighty Buzzard who replied there), vs. /. where they do NOT give a damn period @ all imo & yes, decade of experience there... place has gone way, Way, WAY DOWNHILL, no doubt about it - especially on the grounds noted above).
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Blows my mind about slashdot though (per my "ghost in the machine" comment above):
See - despite their "mantra" & liberal agenda line of b.s. (which don't get me wrong, I am ALL for free speech) of "Freedom of Speech" = GOOD there?
They are the BIGGEST ABUSERS OF IT, bar-none, that I have *EVER* seen online & I've been hitting forums & IRC since, oh, 1994 regularly daily (I like learning & discussing things, albeit MOSTLY based on facts though not abstracts & unprovables that are mere speculations)
From /.'s perspective, as webmasters - which I DO *try* to understand but DO NOT LIKE nefarious manipulation & underhanded means to do so from wannabe CLEVER sneaks?
Hey... makes sense too (from their perspective - get folks pissed, trying to defend themselves? They will post & view more... That's the SNEAK's method, ala SunTzu almost - take advantage of the nature of the "opponent" albeit in THIS case?? The users themselves... human nature IS to defend yourself, self-preservation & ego/what not).
STILL - They don't get SHIT out of me that way though, due to hosts & this program of mine (shears all that crap off, ads & trackers, & what it can't handle (minimal) I have a firewall ruleset that does, perfectly (vs. IP address served trackers) -> http://start64.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5851:apk-hosts-file-engine-64bit-version&catid=26:64bit-security-software&Itemid=74 [start64.com]
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Now, on that LAST note?
You *may* like this:
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I note that "shameless plug", since you note you use hosts!
All I can say is GIVE THAT PROGRAM A SHOT - it is, clearly, the BEST OF ITS KIND (recommended as such by MalwareBytes' hpHosts @ the top of their page -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Download [hosts-file.net]
Doing MORE with less vs. ALL forms of "competitors" via smaller code & a FASTER level of operations (kernelmode vs. usermode) + 64 bit too, not only 32-bit mind you, & is PORTABLE with a single file design that is multithreaded using hand written code, not DB engines (like hostsman it's nearest competitor in features that has LESS features than mine too) & is 1/2 the SIZE of hostsman to boot).
It imports, sorts, deduplicates & normalizes the import data to the smallest & MOST efficient form there is (far more efficient than AdBlock which is crippled by default, does FAR less & yet uses more "moving parts" complexity + room for breakdown with LESS end user direct control FAR LESS EFFICIENTLY than hosts in RAM, CPU, messagepassing overheads, + other forms of resources (I/O mainly) than hosts does, by a LONG shot -> 4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nnethercote/2014/05/14/adblock-pluss-effect-on-firefoxs-memory-usage/ [mozilla.org] )
APK
P.S.=> IN the end/bottom-line? Thanks for the "welcome", it's appreciated!
Plus?
Hey, & enjoy the program SHOULD you elect to try it too, as it's free, no strings attached, & no tracking etc. b.s involved!
(AND, of course - it works BETTER THAN ANYTHING ELSE OUT THERE for what it does adding speed, security, reliability, & even anonymity like NO other single browser addon can, + it shores up DNS redirect security deficiencies with DIRECT end user control)
So much so, that when Wladimir Palant of "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (lol) wrote me 1st mind you, saying "hosts are a shitty solution", AND I REPLIED challenging him to PROVE adblock can do MORE than hosts and more efficiently, from 2 diff. email accounts I used in reply?
Man - HE OUTRIGHT RAN... so much for him!
Heck, even Aryeh Goretsky of NOD32/ESET won't take that challenge also!
(Albeit, I was nice to him though, he never gave me any guff like Palant did)
Especially since SYMANTEC/NORTON even ADMITTED recently their antivirus is ONLY 55% effective -> http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/05/06/1343210/anti-virus-is-dead-but-still-makes-money-says-symantec [slashdot.org]
(Which, unfortunately for MANY std. exe scanning AntiVirus programs, makes sense - traditional .exe infestation which they PATROL against is ineffective vs. say, javascript infestors (pages are loaded with them, ads too even for years now), which my program is PROOF to on .exe infecting mind you also, self-protecting antivirus tech BUILT RIGHT INTO IT, via a technique I did that did well for "CODING FOR DEFCON" is implemented in it (self aware exe signals vs. alteration) -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5351503&cid=47367777 [slashdot.org])... apk
(Score: 2) by cafebabe on Thursday July 10 2014, @10:18AM
I hadn't heard of APK before but I'm quite taken with this bombastic character. I broadly agree with the technical and social points raised. I'm already on record regarding a /etc/hosts blocklist [soylentnews.org]. I am wholly unimpressed that I have to install a series of plugins, each with its own attack surface and agenda, and then bolster the ediface with a blacklist. And I am particularly unimpressed that parties who author plugins, such as AdBlock, deliberately allow advertising through as part of a financial arrangement.
I don't think many people are aware that, for example, Adobe Flash has access to a user's clipboard and none of Java's restrictions when accessing URLs. Furthermore, cursory inspection of Flash is hindered by bit alignment of tokens and, anyhow, there is no financial incentive decline advertisers. Therefore, anything copied and pasted is available to any rouge advertiser. Despite having multiple levels of protection, I am disgusted that the stuff getting through can use my resources against me. Feel free to advertize random crap to me but to upload a chunk of my wordprocessing while doing so is a step too far.
I am wholly unsurprised that anti-virus software is 55% effective against malware. Anti-virus definitions are about three days behind attacks and they are ineffective against scripting languages, such as JavaScript and Lua (used in Flame). Furthermore, polymorphic viruses have now taken to encrypting themselves and discarding the key. That means a virus has to crack itself to expose its own payload. The proof-of-concept used an 8 bit key but this could be expanded to 16 bits or more. And when payloads are obscured by any number of weak encryption algorithms, it becomes almost impossible for anti-virus software to find malicious code.
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(Score: -1, Offtopic) by APK on Thursday July 10 2014, @11:45AM
See my subject-line above & 'great minds think alike' (lol) - so YOU know, Ghostery is ADVERISTER OWNED too (literally) & to myself @ least? That's a "Fox guarding the henhouse" (Saw your link & noted what it is you use, which is GOOD in 1 respect I agree with though - "layered security"/"defense-in-depth") Still, on Ghostery? That's something YOU may *NOT* be aware of... I don't like it myself, How about you?
Good point on Adobe Flash (thanks for the reminder, since each time you UPGRADE it, you have to check the settings in SYSTEM icon Category in Windows - since even IF/WHEN You set it before to NOT use local storage, or the camera & microphone, it RESETS itself (mine did, was updated 2 days ago on "MS Patch Tuesday" so... check YOURS too, if you upgraded (which you should of course)).
Thanks!
APK
P.S.=> I am also disgusted by what I call being "SOULED-OUT" (note the intentional misspelling, of SOLD out) - especially by AdBlock &/or Ghostery... the admen, when in doubt, can ALWAYS be counted on to DO THE WRONG THING, ala "Can't beat 'em? BUY EM!" & it's screwed up when our economy went from a successful MANUFACTURING ONE, where all folks had a good paying job (thus are good consumers AND taxpayers too) to a "service economy" based on b.s. intangibles ANYONE can produce (hence why offshoring is killing us) - I was told it was "the future" back in 1984 in my first B.S. degree's economics classes... I told the prof. it was BULLSHIT & wouldn't work out (& here we are today, what I said came true, unfortunately... & even as a green 18-19 yr. old I knew it wouldn't work since MOST GUYS want the routine life, union job, wake up, go to work, come home, bop the ole' lady, drink a beer, play with kids, eat and go to sleep to wake up & do it again - not to go to college to wonder IF you can get a job to payoff your debts afterwards in the giant crapshoot THAT has become thru privatized collegiate academia education systems of today mind you)...apk
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 10 2014, @04:51PM
Don't feed the troll. Thank you for your cooperation.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 10 2014, @06:00PM
So this is the last feeding you get, "eating your own words" (lmao) - how do they taste? Slammed down your throat with your foot in your mouth washed down by the "bitter taste of SELF-defeat" eh? Eating your words != Good nutrition. We suggest a diet change, lol!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 10 2014, @11:40PM
Yeah, yeah, yeah. If this were /., I wouldn't have even bothered as APK is a well-known troll over there. My warning would have merely been added noise. Since cafebabe had said that she (he?) had never heard of APK before, I thought I would alert them to what they had just stepped into. Or, perhaps you actually enjoy APK's rantings?
What's this "we" shit? Are you posting on behalf of a committee? Do you have an army of sockpuppets? Or do you imagine yourself to be royalty?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 11 2014, @10:32AM
Apk's no troll. You try to make him seem like one but nobody believes you. You're off topic and a troll.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 11 2014, @10:35AM
Project much about your army of sockpuppets, troll? When apk posts it's always usually on topic. You're not.
(Score: 5, Informative) by mojo chan on Thursday July 10 2014, @07:35AM
Dude, I think you have some serious mummy issues. Just go back and read you massive rant, it doesn't come over well. Just because you had a bad experience it doesn't follow that all women are crazy illogical mind-wreckers who will inevitably screw up their kids. I'm genuinely sorry you had a bad childhood but one anecdote doesn't lead to "all women are nuts and incapable of bringing up children without a man to offset their insanity".
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 10 2014, @09:57AM
Maybe apk went on for a bit longer than he should have, but the fact is we first get the news of the ipad+fleshlight combo, now that the same sex couples are doing fine. yeah, women are going to become obsolete soon!
(Score: 0, Offtopic) by APK on Thursday July 10 2014, @12:01PM
I love women (lol, especially in bed) - they make YOU a better man, when you FIND THE RIGHT ONE (the hard part since folks change along the way, often going separate ways "ideologically" is what I've found, & what anyone I KNOW who divorced told me, along with "it's work" which always "BOGGLED MY MIND" until I finally asked an older guy wtf he meant by that since I told him that was a CONSTANT from those telling me "You did the RIGHT thing by NOT getting married" - he said it's COMPROMISE: You can't always do as you please, and must kowtow to your partner's demands a LOT... I agree, you should though - however, ONLY when it makes sense... & a LOT of the time I see women do things that make NO sense, ala say, if you had a car with a busted transmission AND a busted front fender. Women I've found, IF given a choice of which of the two you could fix only? Would fix the fender since it "looks bad" (dumb, the car is for getting you back & forth to work + groceries etc. really) since they are appearances oriented, whereas a GUY would do the RIGHT THING based on the true need of the car I noted, fix the tranny since it is what helps transmit power to the wheels to get you around)... get it?
APK
P.S.=> Put it THIS way - THAT's the kind of conflicts I've had with my Ma this week doing my home repairs! E.G. -> I caught her cleaning a counter top on a sink I am about to remove and replace with a better one (to get her to shut up, lol, & it didn't NEED a replacement, not really) to "attract better tenants" which, ordinarily, outside of the urban environs the property's in, I'd agree with that (look better attracts better flies/tenants), but NOT in the city environs it's in - there, I am always having to replace things the "type" of tenants I get there wreck (generally stoves, toilets, & refrigerators) when they don't WANT or CAN'T pay the rent, to claim "habitability" issues so they can stall evicitons in rental court... too bad I outthink them, & have code enforcement look @ it doing written validated inspections first, & of course, taking photos beforehand as well (as well as the logic of telling the judge "IF the place was SO BAD & not working, why did they move in, why do the photos show it's fine, and why did code enforcement sign off that the place is fine", first). She doesn't understand this place @ all. It's ignorance on her end, and I have been dealing with that constantly from her in fact... it IS illogical thinking and talking out the ass with NO CLUE on the details, plain & simple. Makes a guy go nuts, has me (almost)... apk
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(Score: 0, Offtopic) by APK on Thursday July 10 2014, @11:32AM
Getting my old Ma to chill out a bit & treat others more respectfully & to attempt to make her persona a bit less abrasive on her end is all... it's that, or, telling her to not come around anymore as I had years ago, for years - which hurts her feelings & I do NOT like doing that to her (even my roommates & best buddy agree, it's NOT me, as I noted & to quit "beating myself up" over it thinking somehow it's MY fault, when even THEY said it's her...) - I don't like hurting my Ma's feelings: She admits she is abrasive and a bad teacher too (for a while until her defense mechanisms "snap back in" after reason fades)... but, it has proven, time & again to be the ONLY solution with her, and allows me peace (& not only me, but other family members did the same before too, not just me).
All I can tell you, is this & ask a question: How old are you? I am 50. I've had 1,000's of women (dates "etc.") & nearly EVERY SINGLE ONE was an illogical monster. IF you're not as old as me, respect that I am older and MAY have seen more due to experience.
Personally, I could care less *IF* you think it didn't "go over well" (you're probaby a woman yourself then, so that'd make sense in that case) with you. I'm not here to win a popularity contest. I only wanted to express some thoughts, based on experience (my own and YES, that of others I noted like my ex-brother in law for example) that I've seen.
APK
P.S.=> Funny - It was +2 "Interesting" rated before YOU showed up in fact. Funny now it's "off topic", eh? Not - HOW is it "off topic", when all I am saying is what a good 90% of guys would agree with as far as women I'd wager, AND, how a collision of LOGICAL (men thinking generally) vs. ILLOGICAL (women "thinking" generally) is avoided by these same sex marriage, stopping kids from seeing what I did when they grew up - CONSTANT fights etc. so they ARE happier given such a consistent environs... apk
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(Score: 2) by mojo chan on Thursday July 10 2014, @04:41PM
I've had 1,000's of women (dates "etc.") & nearly EVERY SINGLE ONE was an illogical monster.
This suggests that the problem is YOU, rather than 1,000s of women apparently suffering from this affliction that the rest of us don't recognize. Either that or you had the worst luck imaginable.
Think about it for a moment. Your mother was bad to you, and now you see aspects of her in every woman you date. It's kinda obvious what is happening here.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 10 2014, @05:54PM
See subject-line & seriously: Is THAT "the best you got"? Clue - YOU are the one completely off-topic "MOJO CHUMP"... care to debate that?
* I also find it "extremely odd" (lol, not) how only after YOU show up that my +2 interesting rated post gets a -1 OFF TOPIC downmod (when I was on topic completely & YOU BY WAY OF COMPARISON, are not...).
(On luck? Hey - See my p.s., only thing is?? It's NOT luck - it skill/game, & yes, naturally good looks. Wins, every time & I thank God for it. I don't have to think a thing when the results were as much & as many women as I ever needed or wanted, pretty much anytime I wanted. I can't help that, lol!)
APK
P.S.=> Heck - Apparently on this note your dragging us off topic into, I am FAR from a problem (when I could always, EASILY, "reel in" any woman I ever wanted pretty much - it's as simple as OUT-THINKING & outclassing a puny off-topic illogical failing ad hominem attack attempting little CLOWN, like you... lol!)... apk
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 11 2014, @12:28PM
See subject-line & seriously: Is THAT "the best you got"? Clue - YOU are the one completely off-topic "MOJO CHUMP"... care to debate that?
* I also find it "extremely odd" (lol, not) how only after YOU show up that my +2 interesting rated post gets a -1 OFF TOPIC downmod along with MANY of my other supporting posts (when I was on topic completely & YOU BY WAY OF COMPARISON, are not...) - where I literally ILLUSTRATING EXAMPLES of female "illogic logic" to support MY original premise!
(On luck? Hey - See my p.s., only thing is?? It's NOT luck - it skill/game, & yes, naturally good looks. Wins, every time & I thank God for it. I don't have to think a thing when the results were as much & as many women as I ever needed or wanted, pretty much anytime I wanted. I can't help that, lol!)
APK
P.S.=> Heck - Apparently on this note your dragging us off topic into, I am FAR from a problem (when I could always, EASILY, "reel in" any woman I ever wanted pretty much - it's as simple as OUT-THINKING & outclassing a puny off-topic illogical failing ad hominem attack attempting little CLOWN, like you... lol!)... apk
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 10 2014, @06:05PM
As well as a troll, I know you are. Are you on topic here? Answer that.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 10 2014, @06:19PM
Mummy issues? Learn to read, you illiterate obvious troll. He's on topic and illustrates women's propensity to illogical thinking all thru this thread to support his original premise.