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posted by janrinok on Saturday August 09 2014, @03:09PM   Printer-friendly
from the stock-up-on-popcorn-and-beer dept.

Judge Lucy H. Koh of the United States District Court in San Jose rejected as insufficient a proposed $324 million settlement in a class-action antitrust case that accused leading tech companies of agreeing not to poach one another's engineers.

In April, lawyers for the 64,000 class members and the companies reached a tentative deal. But the judge said the money did not fall "within the range of reasonableness." After the plaintiffs' lawyers took their 25 percent cut, the settlement would have given about $4,000 to every member of the class.

The case will now go to trial unless the parties cobble together another settlement that meets the judge's approval. Lawyers for the plaintiffs earlier cited damages of $3 billion to the class members. If a jury awarded that amount, it would be automatically tripled.

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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by sigterm on Saturday August 09 2014, @03:27PM

    by sigterm (849) on Saturday August 09 2014, @03:27PM (#79340)

    Why haven't criminal charges been filed? Surely, an egregious violation of anti-trust laws is not merely a civil matter?

    Or is there a provision in the Sherman or Clayton act exempting sufficiently rich bastards?

    • (Score: 4, Informative) by captain normal on Saturday August 09 2014, @04:26PM

      by captain normal (2205) on Saturday August 09 2014, @04:26PM (#79354)

      I would think mainly because the primary player is dead. Jobs pretty much bullied everyone else into going along.

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      Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts"- --Daniel Patrick Moynihan--
      • (Score: 2, Interesting) by edIII on Saturday August 09 2014, @07:07PM

        by edIII (791) on Saturday August 09 2014, @07:07PM (#79408)

        Jobs pretty much bullied everyone else into going along

        So the excuse is akin to mob mentality?

        Adobe who is the paragon of virtue, Google who does no evil, and Intuit who oddly enough should be aware of employee wages, were just caught up in an impromptu gang rape of Silicon Valley engineers?

        FADE IN:

        Silent conference room, a Fed clicks the recorder....

        ADOBE

        *sniff* I didn't want to do it at all. Jobs bullied me into coming to this meeting. Google said there would be some beer and we might watch the game. That's all. I never meant to do *anything*

        GOOGLE

        Jobs said it would be a private meeting to discuss the continuation of the fund to not beat my ass if I didn't get some beer and call Adobe. It was Intuit that brought the drugs and ball gags

        INTUIT

        That's NOT true! Jobs shoved those drugs down the front of my pants when security walked by. Then he fired the security guard on the spot. I found the ball gags and a gallon of Vaseline in the bag that was already there in the room.

        GOOGLE

        Jobs was just standing there and ushered in the first group of engineers. They looked so happy at first. Then he looked at me and said, "You ready for things to get boo coo dinky dow?"

        ADOBE

        The face on that one engineer when Jobs handed him the ball gag...

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        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by captain normal on Saturday August 09 2014, @07:42PM

          by captain normal (2205) on Saturday August 09 2014, @07:42PM (#79412)

          That might actually be closer to the truth than you might think. ;-)

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          Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts"- --Daniel Patrick Moynihan--
    • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Saturday August 09 2014, @05:09PM

      by kaszz (4211) on Saturday August 09 2014, @05:09PM (#79375) Journal

      IRS - wants the money
      NSA - wants the data

      So they don't want any disruption ;)

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 11 2014, @12:55AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 11 2014, @12:55AM (#79854)

        When you get right down to it,
        those are the two 'levers'
        chiefly at work in the USA
        mirroring this famous
        quote:

        Men are moved by two levers only: fear and self interest.

        Napoleon Bonaparte

        http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/n/napoleonbo150170.html [brainyquote.com]

        NSA takes care of the fear the populus has for the U.S. Government.
        IRS takes care of the self interest on behalf of the U.S. Government.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Nerdfest on Saturday August 09 2014, @09:43PM

      by Nerdfest (80) on Saturday August 09 2014, @09:43PM (#79463)

      I thought they all just agreed not to actively solicit each other's employees. This is different than agreeing to *hire* each other's employees. I don't think the first one should be illegal.

  • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Saturday August 09 2014, @06:34PM

    by kaszz (4211) on Saturday August 09 2014, @06:34PM (#79401) Journal

    If it costs less to screw the law (ie workers) than to profit. Then this will be repeated. So the costs for doing this has to be larger than the profit of this case. And large enough to cover other occasions where it has not been brought to justice to discourage any risk taking.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Thexalon on Saturday August 09 2014, @08:20PM

      by Thexalon (636) on Saturday August 09 2014, @08:20PM (#79430)

      So the costs for doing this has to be larger than the profit of this case.

      In all cases. To prevent crime from paying, punishment must be greater than the profit or the cost to others (whichever is greater) multiplied by the inverse chance of getting caught (e.g. if half of offenders who commit a $1 million crime get caught, the punishment must be more than $2 million).

      So, when a bank defrauds 60,000 homeowners for $150,000 apiece, the punishment should be at least $9 billion, and probably closer to $27 billion. When a company steals $6000 a year in wages from 10,000 employees, the fine had better be over $60 million. And in this case, where the damages are about $4,000 per 64,000 employees, that demands a judgment of at least $256 million + attorney's fees.

      Whenever you hear reports of huge fines, settlements, or damage awards, first calculate the actual damage, and then you can see if the criminal in question was actually punished for their crime, or if someone was merely demanding their cut of the profits. A lot of the time, it's not really a punishment and they're trusting that most people can't/won't do the math to notice that.

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      • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Saturday August 09 2014, @09:50PM

        by kaszz (4211) on Saturday August 09 2014, @09:50PM (#79467) Journal

        What's the average real damage per employee in this case?
        And for how long has this damage been going on?

  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by cafebabe on Saturday August 09 2014, @09:07PM

    by cafebabe (894) on Saturday August 09 2014, @09:07PM (#79448) Journal

    As usual, the legal fees are criminal. A 2% fee for a $324 million settlement would still be $6.5 million. And employees would average an extra $1,160.

    Anyhow, with the threat of trial and triple damages, an offer closer to $900 million could be forthcoming.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 10 2014, @08:12AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 10 2014, @08:12AM (#79598)

    Shouldn't that be 65,536?