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posted by janrinok on Tuesday August 26 2014, @07:47PM   Printer-friendly
from the introducing-Regurgitator dept.

A common complaint I have about this site is it lags the other beta site by 2-3 days. I've mentioned this and get told "submit stories, help the community". My problem is, I consistently hear about suitable stories from the other beta site first. My normal daily browsing consists of The Beta Site That Shall Not Be Named, this place, Fark, Ars Technica, Yahoo news, and BBC news.

So, fellow Soylenters, where should I cast my net to find stories that are A) interesting to me, and B) suitable for submitting to SN?

What's interesting to me you ask?

  • SN + beta site + ars == tech news
  • Fark + uberhumor == funny stuff
  • Yahoo + BBC news == stuff happening around the world
  • MSNBC was great until a few months ago, when they metro'fied their interface, don't go there any more

From an Editor:

This question is one of the most frequently asked and I wonder how many members of our community are aware of 'Regurgitator' - a bot which lives on our #rss-bot IRC channel. Basically, the bot is always scanning the rss feeds of the most popular tech news sites for new announcements of possible interest. It then regurgitates the headline of each announcement and provides a link to the story. In addition, the channel is logged so that you can always look at the output of the bot without having to log in to IRC - for example, today's log can be found at http://logs.sylnt.us/%23rss-bot/2014-08-26.html which can be viewed on any browser.

There is no reason to limit yourself to stories that appear on that channel, but it is a good starting place if you are looking for something suitable for a submission. I would ask, however, that if you discover another useful rss feed that you let us know so that we can add it to the bot's list.

As this isn't a news item - another story will be along in a few minutes...

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  • (Score: 4, Informative) by lhsi on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:04PM

    by lhsi (711) on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:04PM (#85864) Journal

    I check theconversation which has more interesting discussion topics.

    ScienceDaily is a good site for science news, but the trick is that they usually repost a press release from a university with the link to the press release and link to the paper at the bottom. I always use these links as they are the primary source.

    phys.org has some interesting stuff, although occasionally they also just repost press releases but without a direct link to the source.

    EurekaAlert is just a direct feed of science press releases, similar to ScienceDaily. They post more articles, but it isn't as easy as ScienceDaily to find the link yo the primary source or paper.

    • (Score: 2) by lhsi on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:06PM

      by lhsi (711) on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:06PM (#85866) Journal

      Twitter is another source. I follow a couple of users that occasionally post interesting links. I always check the BBC but mainly for local news.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Magic Oddball on Wednesday August 27 2014, @11:00AM

      by Magic Oddball (3847) on Wednesday August 27 2014, @11:00AM (#86158) Journal

      I'd add that universities can have a lot of interesting news stories in the student newspaper & campus/alumni news sites, especially if the school is involved in research. Medical schools and research hospitals can similarly be packed with interesting news stories.

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by cosurgi on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:08PM

    by cosurgi (272) on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:08PM (#85869) Journal

    That's a copy of my reply from http://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/06/20/0232228 [soylentnews.org] but there are other replies interesting also!

    it's not that I "frequent" them. I just keep those few tabs opened:

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/ [sciencedaily.com]
    http://physicsworld.com/ [physicsworld.com]
    http://www.skyandtelescope.com/ [skyandtelescope.com]
    http://wavewatching.net/ [wavewatching.net]
    http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/ [columbia.edu]

    and for relax:
    http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/ [rockpapershotgun.com] [rockpapershotgun.com]

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:24PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:24PM (#85883)

      soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/06/20/0232228

      ...otherwise known as Ask Soylent: What News Sites Do You Frequent? [soylentnews.org]

      -- gewg_

      • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday August 26 2014, @10:07PM

        by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday August 26 2014, @10:07PM (#85942) Journal

        gewg_ , I did add the disclaimer at the bottom of the 'summary' that this isn't intended to be news item - it was simply a way of letting as many potential submitters as possible know about Regurgitator. You are correct that the question isn't original and that it has been covered by a previous story, but it seems that there are still quite a few members of the community that are not aware of the bot and the availability of its story links.

    • (Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Wednesday August 27 2014, @03:21AM

      by bzipitidoo (4388) on Wednesday August 27 2014, @03:21AM (#86044) Journal

      I check nasa.gov now and then. For instance, yesterday, Aug 25, the New Horizons probe crossed the orbit of Neptune. That also happened to be exactly the 25th anniversary of Voyager 2's encounter with Neptune. Newsworthy? I don't think so, but NASA did a little press release about it. Had the probe take a pic of Neptune, for the heck of it I guess, as it was too far away for any detail. I figure the only reason to run a story like that is for an excuse to discuss space exploration, if there hadn't been anything on the subject recently.

      I'd like to see more Computer Science stories. News about cool new algorithms. When is the last time any algorithm made the news? Sometimes I hear mention of Google's Map Reduce. Quantum computing gets some attention, and occasionally evolutionary computing with a kind of "algorithm wars" contest, like in Conway's Game of Life, or Primordial Life which I haven't looked into, have only heard the name.

  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:10PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:10PM (#85872)

    I get mine mainly from the New York Times or El Reg.

    But what I really want to know is why the editors reject stories. I have submitted several that I believed were relevant to us and they have been rejected. With one exception, I received no explanation. I'd rather not waste my time writing up submissions for things that are going to be rejected out of hand. There has been plenty of junk approved by the editors, yet something I submitted recently that at least to me appeared to have widespread appeal was rejected. Why? Only God and the editor knows. Maybe the editor doesn't like me since I can be rather outspoken in my comments. Or maybe the editor doesn't know because he was blasted out of his mind.

    You know, I actually care about this place given its non-commercial bent, but I'm beginning to stop caring.

    • (Score: 2) by Random2 on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:31PM

      by Random2 (669) on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:31PM (#85884)

      If I recall correctly that is something which was put on the wishlist early, but given low priority because of the amount of rework they would have to do to the slashcode (versus all the -other- fires burning at the time). Perhaps we can convince Ncommander to bump it up on the list, if still there? I agree that it would be a very useful feature in the sense that it could help submitters improve the quality of their submissions via feedback; although it does open another vector for drama around the subjectivity of approval/rejection. That said, I agree it'd still be better to have some feedback than none at all.

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      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by paulej72 on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:56PM

        by paulej72 (58) on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:56PM (#85911) Journal
        The editors were manually emailing submitters, but they were getting pushback from the users rejected. Most did not want to be told, so they stopped. At least that is what I remember.
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        • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday August 26 2014, @09:50PM

          by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday August 26 2014, @09:50PM (#85933) Journal

          Paulej72 is correct. I, along with other editors, spent a few months sending emails explaining why stories were being rejected but I received many complaints because people hadn't agreed that their email address could/should be used for such notifications. The emails that we were sending were deemed by the recipients to be SPAM. Of course, many submitters did not provide a valid email address and so we could not let them know why their submissions didn't make the grade.

          There are many reasons why stories do not make it to the front page - duplication, overtaken by new announcements, too much personal insults versus real story content, the same subject being reported in different ways, etc. As we have frequently said, we can improve the output by having a much larger selection of stories to choose from, but please don't take rejection personally. Everyone of us - editors included - have had stories rejected.

          As I write this there are only 9 stories in the submissions list and not all of them are necessarily suitable for publication. We need a minimum of 16 good stories a day, and preferably many more if we want to increase the quality of the stories and discussion.

          • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 27 2014, @12:24AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 27 2014, @12:24AM (#85988)

            > I received many complaints because people hadn't agreed that their email address could/should be used for such notifications.

            Post them to the user's journal instead. That keeps it self-contained here with minimal changes to slashcode.
            If users can't already delete posts in their own journal then you might want to add that feature.

          • (Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Wednesday August 27 2014, @08:18PM

            by maxwell demon (1608) on Wednesday August 27 2014, @08:18PM (#86443) Journal

            Why by email? I'd expect to find such information in the message box, right besides the information that someone answered to my comment, or that someone moderated my comment. Is there a technical reason why you didn't use that way?

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            • (Score: 2) by paulej72 on Thursday August 28 2014, @03:11AM

              by paulej72 (58) on Thursday August 28 2014, @03:11AM (#86564) Journal
              Yes, the technical reason is there is no code written to do this yet. Emails were available and thus were being used for this purpose because it did not require any code to be written.
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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:31PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:31PM (#85886)

      I should also have added that I have read and followed the submission guidelines so that is not the problem.

    • (Score: 2) by n1 on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:33PM

      by n1 (993) on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:33PM (#85888) Journal

      We do not reject submissions out of hand. Multiple editors will see any story and have an opportunity to accept it. Without knowing the specific stories you are talking about, I am unable to give you my opinion on it. Any rejection is ultimately a personal opinion of the editor on the validity/relevance of the story to the site. We do make notes on some stories pending rejection for other editors to review.

      I do not take any pleasure in rejecting stories. We did get some negative feedback after sending emails explaining rejections and do not have an internal messaging system for this purpose yet.

      I hope you continue to submit stories, contribute to the SoylentNews community and offer constructive criticism where it's due.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 26 2014, @10:34PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 26 2014, @10:34PM (#85952)

        We do not reject submissions out of hand.

        It sure seems like it at times, and that's why the complaint was made. I'm glad the editors collaborate but perhaps you're being too conservative in your rejections.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:43PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:43PM (#85900)

      Maybe it's because you get your "information" from the New York Times.
      That is a merchantilist-friendly echo chamber for megacorporations and the USA regime.

      Yeah, occasionally they have something useful.
      The problem is most of what they print is Capitalist|Imperialist cheerleading and propaganda and it's up to you to separate the wheat from the chaff.

      This reminds me of an engineer who, whenever the topic of Howard Johnson's book about digital design comes up, notes how half of it is useful and half of it is junk.
      If you know which is which, you don't need the book.

      -- gewg_

      • (Score: 2) by mendax on Tuesday August 26 2014, @10:24PM

        by mendax (2840) on Tuesday August 26 2014, @10:24PM (#85946)

        Ah, you remind me of my neo-conservative, right-wing Tea Party fanatic friend who is regularly deluded by the Murdochite fascist talking heads on Fox News who got irritated with me once when at his house I used my laptop to read the New York Times web site. He wouldn't deign to go there until the other day when I told them there was an interesting article there he'd enjoy reading about the latest incarnation of Doctor Who.

        Yes, the NY Times has its problems but on the whole it's a great newspaper, greater than anything you are probably reading, my friend.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 26 2014, @11:18PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 26 2014, @11:18PM (#85966)

          on the whole it's a great newspaper

          You accept way too much propaganda without proper scrutiny.

          .
          greater than anything you are probably reading

          In case it hasn't been made clear in my months and months of posts (supporting Marxism, workers, and egalitarianism while opposing militarism and plantation capitalism), people don't get much deeper into the Left/Civil Libertarian (green) quadrant [politicalcompass.org] than I am.

          ...and you compare me to a Fox so-called News watcher.
          Interesting.
          It appears you allow far too much of your media consumption to be clustered in the blue quadrant (which should be colored red).

          -- gewg_

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 27 2014, @12:27AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 27 2014, @12:27AM (#85990)

            > ...and you compare me to a Fox so-called News watcher.

            Extremists tend to have a lot in common no matter their specific ideologies.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 27 2014, @02:22AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 27 2014, @02:22AM (#86017)

              The only things in the middle of the road are yellow lines and dead possums.

              My kind of people are what got us the 8-hour day.

              -- gewg_

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 27 2014, @03:39AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 27 2014, @03:39AM (#86049)

                Your kind of people also produced human monsters such as Lenin, Stalin, Chairman Mao, and Kim Il-sung and his progeny.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 27 2014, @04:48AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 27 2014, @04:48AM (#86071)

                  You are clearly another of the mental midgets who swallow the swill that lamestream media presents as "truth".
                  Marxism, properly described, is Democracy in the Workplace .
                  A truly Marxist implementation would be a workers' paradise. (Investigate Mondragon.)
                  Forced collectivism is the opposite of that.
                  People can call things whatever they want.
                  Establishing a totalitarian regime and calling it "communist" is Orwellian.
                  The 2 concepts are orthogonal.

                  It's exactly like the USA saying it's for freedom and democracy while staging coups that overthrow democratically-elected governments then setting up dictatorships to replace those.
                  ...or calling it "defense" when the USA bombs, invades, and occupies a 4th-rate nothing country on the other side of the globe.

                  My kind of people act locally and set up worker cooperatives.
                  My kind of people vote for candidates like Eugene Debs--not for warmongers like Dubya or Obama or Hillary Clinton or the Clinton that came before all of those.

                  -- gewg_

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 28 2014, @04:58AM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 28 2014, @04:58AM (#86602)

                    Your response is a no true scottsman fallacy.
                    If you can't acknowledge the errors of your fellow travelers then you are helping to repeat those errors.

          • (Score: 2) by mendax on Wednesday August 27 2014, @01:01AM

            by mendax (2840) on Wednesday August 27 2014, @01:01AM (#85997)

            ...and you compare me to a Fox so-called News watcher.
            Interesting.

            You just seem to be somewhat of an extremist. Marxism is an extreme form of socialism, so is Libertarianism, as is the Tea Party lunacy. I dislike extremism and I will call a spade a spade when I see it. Having said all that, I respect your opinion, I just don't agree with it. It's nice to live in a place where we can do that without fear, don't you think?

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 27 2014, @02:16AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 27 2014, @02:16AM (#86013)

              Marxism is an extreme form of socialism
              You use words that you don't understand.
              You have ZERO grasp of economics.

              so is Libertarianism, as is the Tea Party lunacy
              If you meant that those are extremist, you didn't construct your sentence at all intelligently.
              If you meant that those are synonymous with Marxism, it's a further demonstration of your complete ignorance of anything economic or political.

              I will call a spade a spade
              You wouldn't know "a spade" if it came up and kissed you on the lips.

              Again, you consume too much lamestream media. (Any is too much).
              You think you're being informed when you are just getting the narrative that has been approved by the 1 Percenters (who are, this minute, trying to figure out how to export your job).

              -- gewg_

  • (Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:17PM

    by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:17PM (#85875) Journal

    The Register [theregister.co.uk] (now with some news on the weekend)
    The Intercept [firstlook.org]
    HPC Wire [hpcwire.com]
    Futurity [futurity.org]
    Anandtech [anandtech.com]
    TorrentFreak [torrentfreak.com]
    BBC [bbc.com]
    The Guardian [theguardian.com]
    Marketplace [marketplace.org]
    Threat Level [wired.com] and Danger Room [wired.com] on Wired

    among others

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  • (Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:17PM

    by VLM (445) on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:17PM (#85876)

    Some interesting RSS feeds right outta my newsblur (in part, the full list must be 100+ sites)

    Armed and dangerous

    Bottom feeder

    Cats eye technologies new developments

    codeacademy blog

    daily wtf

    dans data is more entertainment than anything else.

    Paul Graham essay feed

    Project Euler

    The digital Antiquarian

    Evil Mad Scientist Laboratories

    MR Money mustache

    Zerohedge of course

    Housingbubbleblog

    xkcd

    Several arXiv feeds. Maybe a dozen? There are quite a few that would be worth watching.

    astrobites

    charlies diary

    low-tech magazine is strangely appealing

    michael o church blog

    sociological images varies from pretty interesting to ... not

    the intercept , of course

    backreaction

    not even wrong

    shtetl-optimized

    I have some jason scott feed in there somewhere

    • (Score: 2) by cosurgi on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:35PM

      by cosurgi (272) on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:35PM (#85892) Journal

      nice list! Thanks :)

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    • (Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:40PM

      by VLM (445) on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:40PM (#85896)

      Some arXiv feeds that are of vaguely general interest and aren't too spammy (hep-ex is like 5 pages per day... I donno how experimental physicists get any work done while keeping up with the papers.)

      physics.hist-ph

      physics.ed-ph

      math.GM might be asking a bit much, maybe not.

      math.HO

      math.IT is maybe a little specialized and maybe a little floody but I like it.

      math.NT is one of those categories where understanding the titles takes 30 minutes of research, but its usually worth it.

      may as well just sign up for cs/new but it'll be a flood... more specifically

      cs.CY is often interesting.

      I like cs.FL but this is one of those "your tastes may vary"

      cs.GL is worth your time

      cs.PL is worth some time.

      cs.SE is pretty good.

      The RSS feeds at arxiv are all along the lines of

      http://export.arxiv.org/rss/math.HO [arxiv.org]

      This is obviously the feed for math.HO

  • (Score: 2) by PizzaRollPlinkett on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:38PM

    by PizzaRollPlinkett (4512) on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:38PM (#85894)

    Topix computer science is a dragnet that sweeps up a lot of things that aren't totally relevant (and sometimes don't even have an obvious link to computer science), but will often catch things that the usual Internet echo chamber misses.

    http://www.topix.net/rss/science/computer-science [topix.net]

    TorrentFreak is a source of original news content, if you like that sort of thing.

    Another interesting source of articles is YouTube professors who have blogs. There was this guy in California who moved somewhere else to become a professor, I wish I could remember his name, but he had a blog and turned me on to a book on graph theory I had missed from Dover. Anyone you see on YouTube, see if they have a blog.

    Basically, I used to have a lot of RSS feeds, but I noticed it was the same stuff over and over. The Internet is short on original content and long on the echo-chamber effect, so it's almost impossible to miss anything of substance because too many sites are chronically looking for stories to blog about.

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  • (Score: 2, Informative) by efernsler on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:39PM

    by efernsler (1035) on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:39PM (#85895)

    If I knew, I wouldn't be here!

  • (Score: 2) by present_arms on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:42PM

    by present_arms (4392) on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:42PM (#85898) Homepage Journal

    Is anyone else notice pipedots front page is exactly the same as soylent news, every story. sommats a miss. tested in konquerer and firefox...

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:53PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:53PM (#85905)

      Check in a little while and your comment will be on it too. check out the comments of the previous two articles (here... well, or there), there are discussions about it.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:54PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:54PM (#85907)

      Yes. Weird, huh? [soylentnews.org]

    • (Score: 2) by dyingtolive on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:56PM

      by dyingtolive (952) on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:56PM (#85912)
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    • (Score: 2) by cafebabe on Tuesday August 26 2014, @09:05PM

      by cafebabe (894) on Tuesday August 26 2014, @09:05PM (#85915) Journal

      That may be but their submission queue differs somewhat. See https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?sid=3587&cid=85857 [soylentnews.org] for comment or https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?sid=3587&cid=85807 [soylentnews.org] for full thread.

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      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Random2 on Tuesday August 26 2014, @09:54PM

        by Random2 (669) on Tuesday August 26 2014, @09:54PM (#85936)
        Before we jump too far down the fire and pitchforks route, we should determine if this comment is factual and still valid:
        https://pipedot.org/comment/1404886957_ncommander_pipedot_org [pipedot.org]

        Specifically the part:

        I don't think the staff (or I) would have any issue if you spooled in our articles directly (obviously, we have to get a license on new content hammered out before you could do that, but that's on our TODO

        If they have worked out some sort of licensing then they may be in the clear, but if not this could be a bit awkward. Remember that Soylent is also a news aggregation at present, and taking articles from other news sites (sometimes verbatim) is a thing that has been done here. That said, I personally consider also grabbing the comments fairly questionable, as aggretators distinguish themselves on content and community, the comments on these articles being the 'community' aspect of Soylent.

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    • (Score: 2) by Blackmoore on Tuesday August 26 2014, @11:22PM

      by Blackmoore (57) on Tuesday August 26 2014, @11:22PM (#85968) Journal

      Well the answer is a lot more convoluted than i would like. in an attempt to make it short;

      Permission was given to pipedot to cross publish our stuff; so they could keep the doors open; while the code goes through a rewrite.

      I'm not quite sure if permission was provided to copy the comments in addition. - or if that could ever be given.

      • (Score: 1) by fleg on Wednesday August 27 2014, @02:22AM

        by fleg (128) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday August 27 2014, @02:22AM (#86015)

        i'm ok with them posting the same stories but scraping the comments is iffy to say the least.

        there should at least be some discussion about it. maybe a poll?

      • (Score: 2) by Marand on Wednesday August 27 2014, @09:06AM

        by Marand (1081) on Wednesday August 27 2014, @09:06AM (#86133) Journal

        I'm not quite sure if permission was provided to copy the comments in addition. - or if that could ever be given.

        That's the part that bothers me about it. Aside from the obvious problem of the comments being a site's personality, and one of its primary distinguishing traits, which makes copying them unethical, there's also the ownership issue.

        I don't see how SN could grant that permission considering it also tries to distance itself from comment contents with the disclaimer at the top ("The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way."), at least not currently. The current setup, whether it's explicitly written or not, is that the commenter has ownership of the comment, but provides SN with a non-transferable license to display that comment on soylentnews.org.

        Pipedot was never included in the deal, and even if it were to be, it shouldn't (wouldn't?) work retroactively and without explicit consent.

        Like I said elsewhere, I don't think that pipedot aggregating from SN is a big deal as long as attribution occurs (and it does, now; though it did not earlier today). If anything, primarily regurgitating SN articles risks hurting PD more than it would hurt SN, so they wouldn't want to do it except to fill in slow-news gaps. No, the problem is the comments following with the submissions.

        • (Score: 2) by present_arms on Wednesday August 27 2014, @01:00PM

          by present_arms (4392) on Wednesday August 27 2014, @01:00PM (#86208) Homepage Journal

          Thanks for the replies, got it now :D

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        • (Score: 2) by monster on Wednesday August 27 2014, @02:07PM

          by monster (1260) on Wednesday August 27 2014, @02:07PM (#86234) Journal

          Converting Pipedot in a copycat SN site can damage pagerank of both sites, too. It's not only the matter of ownership of comments.

          • (Score: 2) by Blackmoore on Wednesday August 27 2014, @02:23PM

            by Blackmoore (57) on Wednesday August 27 2014, @02:23PM (#86248) Journal

            <blockquote>

            Converting Pipedot in a copycat SN site can damage pagerank of both sites, too. It's not only the matter of ownership of comments.

            </blockquote>

            I'm more concerned that pipedot will waste away - by alienating it's actual users.  A number of people on that site were not coming here and didn't want to; I expect that Pipedot will have an uptick for a couple days (visitors from our site) but with no new content of their own i doubt that people will bother going back.

            As for our pagerank - I'm not sure how the scraper is effecting Soylent's numbers. if it is then it would be artificially inflating them and that too is no good.

  • (Score: 2) by tibman on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:43PM

    by tibman (134) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday August 26 2014, @08:43PM (#85901)
    • SN is probably my broadest news source (i don't mind the non-tech stuff)
    • https://hackaday.com/ - though the comments have gone downhill the articles are great
    • https://www.sparkfun.com/news - original stuff. Enginursday is interesting
    • https://solarbotics.com/news/ - they link to interesting techy stuff each wednesday
    • https://www.gentoo.org/ - the blog posts are to all kinds of linux things, not just gentoo related
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    • (Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday August 26 2014, @09:12PM

      by VLM (445) on Tuesday August 26 2014, @09:12PM (#85916)

      "https://hackaday.com/ - though the comments have gone downhill the articles are great"

      See also, instructables for more both wider coverage (not just electronic) and also legendary (and not in a good way) comments.

  • (Score: 2) by evilviper on Tuesday August 26 2014, @09:13PM

    by evilviper (1760) on Tuesday August 26 2014, @09:13PM (#85918) Homepage Journal

    Google News is already syndicating most sources of news, and they even conveniently expire it after 30 days, so you don't get lots of old stuff in the way.

    You can browse their Science, Technology, etc., sections, or you can just come up with a key-word. Even searching for "Science" can turn-up interesting stories in the first page. Some key words like "fab" seem to always turn-up something relevant to this crowd. Though I'd like to see more had science stories here, and less crap like systemd flame-wars.

    With Google News, you won't be submitting a bunch of sources from a single site you're frequently reading. And Google kindly provides the same story from multiple sources, so you can even actively choose to avoid a certain source and link to the same story elsewhere, if you think they're bad actors or have just been over-represented lately.

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  • (Score: 1) by tecnomo on Tuesday August 26 2014, @09:39PM

    by tecnomo (4616) on Tuesday August 26 2014, @09:39PM (#85929)

    this one
    Lifehacker
    gizmod
    gawaker
    some times jez
    wired
    beta site
    my own blog

  • (Score: 1) by cngn on Tuesday August 26 2014, @09:44PM

    by cngn (1609) on Tuesday August 26 2014, @09:44PM (#85930)

    Add - http://www.gizmag.com/xml/ [gizmag.com] - -- that's the RSS feed.

    A site I visit more or less every day, if not, to browse what's new for true geeks, to just drool...

  • (Score: 2, Funny) by Username on Tuesday August 26 2014, @10:02PM

    by Username (4557) on Tuesday August 26 2014, @10:02PM (#85939)

    Facebook trending section. This isn't a joke.

    • (Score: 2) by MrNemesis on Wednesday August 27 2014, @04:46AM

      by MrNemesis (1582) on Wednesday August 27 2014, @04:46AM (#86070)

      I specifically look for the most downward trending stories and submit them to The Other Site.

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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by toygeek on Tuesday August 26 2014, @11:41PM

    by toygeek (28) on Tuesday August 26 2014, @11:41PM (#85976) Homepage
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  • (Score: 2) by WillAdams on Wednesday August 27 2014, @11:58AM

    by WillAdams (1424) on Wednesday August 27 2014, @11:58AM (#86183)

    The one story which I submitted successfully came directly from the company making the news:

    CNC Machine to be Donated to Each U.S. State --- http://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/05/20/0137233 [soylentnews.org]

    I was kind of annoyed that the story rolled off the front page so quickly and got so few comments, none of which were useful to me (though I wonder if any of the winners were prompted to apply when they saw the story here).

    Apparently one can still reply to it, so if anyone has any insight, please look at: http://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?sid=1924&cid=45585 [soylentnews.org]

    I think that would be a nice bar to raise for stories --- only those which include a link directly to the source, not to another aggregator or news site.

  • (Score: 2) by Open4D on Wednesday August 27 2014, @12:25PM

    by Open4D (371) on Wednesday August 27 2014, @12:25PM (#86197) Journal

    I have both Soylent and Slashdot in my RSS reader, so I have a good feel for the comparison between the two - including the issue of 'first to publish'.

    The first thing to say is, there are a lot of stories that only appear on one or the other site. There is less duplication than I would have expected.

     
    Secondly, I do not accept the description that SN "lags the other beta site by 2-3 days". I have collected dozens of examples of stories where I think Soylent 'beat' Slashdot, here [soylentnews.org].

    Now, I have not been making a note of the stories where Slashdot 'beat' Soylent. But my impression is that they are slightly more common than the other way round. So out of all the stories posted on both sites, Slashdot probably gets about 55-60% of them first, and Soylent probably gets about 40-45% of them first - that'd be my guess.

    Perfectly respectable IMHO.

  • (Score: 2) by Open4D on Wednesday August 27 2014, @12:58PM

    by Open4D (371) on Wednesday August 27 2014, @12:58PM (#86206) Journal

    Sometimes I see a story but I don't really have the time (or a suitable input device) to make a submission for Soylent. Perhaps Snotnose and I need to come together and collaborate.

    When I envisage an ideal 'Soylent Firehose', I want people to be able to make/suggest potential improvements to my submissions. An extreme example of this would be if I just chuck in a story title + URL, and let other people (like Snotnose) write the whole submission for me.

  • (Score: 2) by Open4D on Wednesday August 27 2014, @01:05PM

    by Open4D (371) on Wednesday August 27 2014, @01:05PM (#86209) Journal

    Examples:
      Brian Krebs on Twitter [twitter.com]
      Linus Torvalds on Google Plus [google.com]

    And surely 100s of others.

  • (Score: 2) by lubricus on Thursday August 28 2014, @09:04AM

    by lubricus (232) on Thursday August 28 2014, @09:04AM (#86663)

    The sourcing and submission of stories is not the problem. The lag between soylent and the other sites is a direct consequence of the decision to maintain a steady publication rate. I've submitted a couple stories immediately after seeing the press release pop up on the company website (and before anyone submitted it to the other site, I checked), only to see the stories wait in the queue for a day until the stories came out everywhere else first... and then have comments posted about story copy and pasting.

    This is the main reason I don't bother to submit stories anymore, the editorial process is too slow for SoylentNews to be relevant.

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