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posted by LaminatorX on Friday October 10 2014, @02:14AM   Printer-friendly
from the soon-out-of-eclipse dept.

Martin Brinkmann at gHacks reports

Pale Moon is a popular web browser that is probably best described as a spin-off of the Mozilla Firefox web browser. It has seen a rise in popularity recently as it did not implement the new Firefox Australis design but that is not the only reason why it is popular.

The author of the program has made available a 64-bit version of Pale Moon for instance for Windows while Mozilla has not been making available 64-bit versions of Firefox Stable for Windows (This will change in the coming months though).

Along with the move [from 24.x] come several important changes that may impact users of the browser. For one, Pale Moon won't support Windows XP anymore.

[...]Pale Moon 25 will use a new synchronization system on a new server. This means that users who have been using synchronization in the browser will need to create a new account when they update to version 25 to continue syncing data. This works similar to how Mozilla's new Firefox Sync is set up and used.

The author notes that the old sync server will be disabled in a short period of time after the release of Pale Moon 25 to free up infrastructure and reduce costs.

Another sync related change is that add-ons are not synced anymore by default. You can check add-ons however in the sync settings so that they are synchronized across devices.

[Martin lists 5 compatibility changes]

Support for VP9 and Opus audio has been added to WebM support of the browser which improves media playback support of Pale Moon.

In the comments, developer Moonchild says

please just have a little patience. Pale Moon 25 will be released tomorrow (10/10), at which time you will receive all the relevant information related to the new release. No further information will be released ahead of time.
[...]Sneaking in ahead of time to be "first" in this case is a risk.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 10 2014, @02:18AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 10 2014, @02:18AM (#104288)

    Maybe they can offer a package... a sixpack of IPA and a web browser

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 10 2014, @02:22AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 10 2014, @02:22AM (#104290)
    I've been using it, it's definitely been better than FF for me. Reverts a fair amount of the recent ui breakage, I dont care much about the other 'features' but at least they dont get in my way.

    And... I guess I am looking for a new browser again. Needs to support WinXP for the netbook. People, get this through your heads, XP is going nowhere, no, you cannot just drop it and no one will notice or care. If I have to go through and fix FF myself just for that one netbook (and I will) then I will just use that build on the other machines too. FFS.
    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 10 2014, @02:32AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 10 2014, @02:32AM (#104293)

      Just put linux on the netbook. Or at least some other OS that is still a going concern. XP is a security nightmare.

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 10 2014, @02:41AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 10 2014, @02:41AM (#104299)

        And how the fuck is he going to run all of his Windows software on this Linux netbook? Using Wine? HAHAHAHA!

        • (Score: 2) by tibman on Friday October 10 2014, @03:39AM

          by tibman (134) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 10 2014, @03:39AM (#104307)

          Botnets and rootkits don't count in your "all of his Windows software", i presume.

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        • (Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Friday October 10 2014, @05:57AM

          by maxwell demon (1608) on Friday October 10 2014, @05:57AM (#104337) Journal

          What Windows software for which a netbook is powerfil enough (so, no Photoshop, and no video editing software) does not have a more than adequate Linux equivalent?

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 10 2014, @09:51PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 10 2014, @09:51PM (#104625)

          The parent isn't a troll, for crying out loud. The thread starter said he needed to run Windows XP. That's probably because he has some important software that requires it. So Linux won't do at all. WINE isn't as bad as it once was, but it sure isn't good enough to be used seriously.

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 10 2014, @02:35AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 10 2014, @02:35AM (#104294)

      I know what you mean. It's just one stupid decision after another from so many of these open source projects. We wouldn't even be in this position if Mozilla hadn't fucked up Firefox. And now Pale Moon is making bad choices that will drive users away, just when it's beginning to pick up steam. Then we have the Debian project dying because of systemd. GNOME was killed a while back by the GNOME 3'ers. Almost all major distros have been infected with systemd. Bash and OpenSSL have had huge security holes found in them. We all know what has happened to Slashdot. I just don't know what to believe any longer.

      • (Score: 1) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 10 2014, @02:54AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 10 2014, @02:54AM (#104303)

        The only thing it that list that didn't suck the whole time is debian.

      • (Score: 2) by tempest on Friday October 10 2014, @02:12PM

        by tempest (3050) on Friday October 10 2014, @02:12PM (#104464)

        Pale Moon is not a true open source project, and it's also HIS project. He intended to make a better version of Firefox on windows, and that's what he's done. Whatever he wants to support, and has time to do. Just because someone makes a project does not make them a slave to "the masses". Firefox is open source, you are free to fork it just as he did and support whatever you want (such as ten-four-fox). The Linux version isn't built or maintained by him either by the way, so as someone else posted others are free to maintain an XP compatible version (although they'll have to call it something else if it doesn't get his blessing).

        This doesn't excuse the other groups, but they are supposed to be community projects. That is not Pale Moon, and also why it won't succumb to the stupidity mired group think of your other examples.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 10 2014, @07:03PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 10 2014, @07:03PM (#104579)

          First, the GPL license is inherited by any forks of a GPL project.

          Pale Moon is not a true open source project

          Well, every project has a manager.
          (Ever notice how Torvalds rejects bad work and cusses out really bad devs?)
          Other than that, I don't grok what you're getting at.

          you are free to fork it

          Yup.
          ...and to redistribute your fork.
          That makes Pale Moon not only open source but Free Software as well--by *any* definition.

          Now, he does hold a trademark on the name, so don't expect him to allow you to reuse that if you produce crap.
          (At this point, note the spat between Firefox and Debian which resulted in Iceweasel/Icedove/Iceape.)

          -- gewg_

          • (Score: 2) by tempest on Friday October 10 2014, @10:54PM

            by tempest (3050) on Friday October 10 2014, @10:54PM (#104643)

            First, the GPL license is inherited by any forks of a GPL project.

            Pale Moon is not a true open source project

            Well, every project has a manager.

            Perhaps "true open source project" is better stated as "community project". Is his code GPL? Yes. Can you look at it? yes. However his build process is not public. You cannot build it as he has done (theoretically), nor does anyone else build and release it but him. Not to say he's hording the code or doing anything so special it cannot be reproduced, but I don't believe it's a community project for that reason. Nor do I think he should be obligated to build it for Windows XP if he chooses not to do so just because "a lot of people still use XP".

    • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Friday October 10 2014, @02:49AM

      by kaszz (4211) on Friday October 10 2014, @02:49AM (#104301) Journal

      Developer resources is likely constrained, so supporting WinXP is perhaps something that has to go. Developing for Microsoft platforms is a pain so it's understandable. But it's open source so perhaps you can backport the Win7/8/Server2003 version?

      • (Score: 2) by Arik on Friday October 10 2014, @04:51AM

        by Arik (4543) on Friday October 10 2014, @04:51AM (#104324) Journal
        With FF still supporting XP, and the version they forked from obviously supported XP, and the relatively limited list of stuff they've added (their improvements are mostly removing stuff, reverting regressions, and compiling with different options) it doesnt seem likely to me that this would have cost them any significant resources to keep.

        It concerns me for roughly the same reason as GP - there is a notebook I need to support for a VIP that will only work with XP. I know it's got weaknesses and I try to help as much as possible so I just oh about 3 months back installed Palemoon for him. Firefox (ESR!) had updated itself into a state he couldnt use and it was that or IE, come on. There are actually a lot of these netbooks out there, it's not even that old. They were STILL selling new netbooks with XP on them when MS ended support! So there are actually a lot of these out there.

        And yeah, I would love to put slackware on it for him and teach him to use it instead, and one of these days I might just get the time and opportunity to do that (and find out for sure if I can really get it to work on that hardware! and to interface with his wetware...) but until then I have to support XP.
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        • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Friday October 10 2014, @11:09AM

          by kaszz (4211) on Friday October 10 2014, @11:09AM (#104394) Journal

          Perhaps there's an alternative to both Firefox and Pale moon?

          • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Friday October 10 2014, @03:11PM

            by tangomargarine (667) on Friday October 10 2014, @03:11PM (#104493)

            Seamonkey? Not exactly the same but pretty damn close.

            --
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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 10 2014, @07:19PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 10 2014, @07:19PM (#104584)

              SeaMonkey (note the CamelCase in the name) contains a browser, email & newsgroup client, IRC chat client, and a (really dated) HTML editor.
              It is a direct descendant of the original Mozilla Suite.
              About SeaMonkey [seamonkey-project.org]

              I was never too jazzed about Firefox.
              With SeaMonkey, you can do more configuration without going into about:config.

              -- gewg_

              • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Saturday October 11 2014, @03:09AM

                by Reziac (2489) on Saturday October 11 2014, @03:09AM (#104673) Homepage

                I use SeaMonkey for everyday (thank ghu for the standard style interface, with menus), with NoScript and PrefBar installed for ease of control. For the uninitiated:
                http://noscript.net/ [noscript.net]
                http://prefbar.tuxfamily.org/ [tuxfamily.org]
                (ignore compatibility gripes re PrefBar, it works regardless)

                I use PaleMoon (with PrefBar) for the few sites that won't play nice with SM anymore (usually due to some crappy JS), initially because its performance was so much better than Firefox, and since because it's less annoying.

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      • (Score: 1) by acharax on Friday October 10 2014, @12:10PM

        by acharax (4264) on Friday October 10 2014, @12:10PM (#104410)

        Someone's already working on that: http://binaryoutcast.com/software/projects/pm4xp/ [binaryoutcast.com]

      • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Friday October 10 2014, @02:58PM

        by tangomargarine (667) on Friday October 10 2014, @02:58PM (#104482)

        I think the question is more one of optimization. The PM guy says he isn't including all the backwards-compatible cruft in order to free up the compiler to make better optimizations/run faster on current hardware/OS.

        The decision to drop XP support does strike me as a bit odd, however.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 10 2014, @04:03AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 10 2014, @04:03AM (#104311)

      Just use an obsolete browser.
      That will be a perfect match for your obsolete OS.

      If I have to go through and fix FF myself just for that one netbook (and I will) then I will just use that build on the other machines too.

      When you're done, be sure to drop a link here for that source/binary.

      -- gewg_

    • (Score: 1) by etranger on Friday October 10 2014, @09:16AM

      by etranger (2646) on Friday October 10 2014, @09:16AM (#104374)

      Palemoon 25 has a XP/Atom version.

      http://www.palemoon.org/WIP/ [palemoon.org]

    • (Score: 2) by Hairyfeet on Friday October 10 2014, @12:15PM

      by Hairyfeet (75) <{bassbeast1968} {at} {gmail.com}> on Friday October 10 2014, @12:15PM (#104414) Journal

      Slap the Windows 10 tech preview on it you will NOT regret it! I slapped the Win 10 TP on my netbook, which is a little AMD E350 APU and...wow, talk about giving it a serious kick in the pants! It boots I'd say a good 50% faster and the whole UI is just so much more responsive, its great! And of course when it expires in Feb you can just go straight to the consumer preview and when that expires it'l be RTM, which from the sounds of it will have a max price of $30, possibly free, so you can easily stay Win 10 with minimal fuss.

      As for PaleMoon? When FF gave the middle finger to their users by turning into an ersatz Chrome I switched and I have to say its a solid browser and what FF should have been, hell even the start scren that comes by default is really nice, with a Google search in the center and links to popular sites like FB, Wikipedia, IMDB, basically al those sites most geeks are gonna fire up a browser to do quick checks of, quite handy. I have replaced FF in my default install with PaleMoon, highly recommended.

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      • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Friday October 10 2014, @03:05PM

        by tangomargarine (667) on Friday October 10 2014, @03:05PM (#104490)

        Oh look, Hairyfeet pimping a Windows product. Never thought I'd see the day.

        It boots I'd say a good 50% faster

        God, I'm so sick of hearing people squeeing about boot times. You can make my boot take 5 whole minutes if it would get rid of systemd.

        and the whole UI is just so much more responsive

        You get that every time you install an OS from scratch. Hell, you could probably* install Windows ME and it'd feel snappy.

        As for PaleMoon? When FF gave the middle finger to their users by turning into an ersatz Chrome I switched and I have to say its a solid browser and what FF should have been

        Well, we agree on that, at least :)

        *Well okay, maybe "probably" is a bit strong. You need to perform a sacrifice to the dark lord Gates to get ME to install correctly.

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        • (Score: 2) by Hairyfeet on Friday October 10 2014, @10:02PM

          by Hairyfeet (75) <{bassbeast1968} {at} {gmail.com}> on Friday October 10 2014, @10:02PM (#104630) Journal

          Oh look, its a FOSSie. Come to celebrate the Hairyfeet challenge going 8 years without a single consumer distro passing? Of course what do you expect from the same OS that gave us heartbleed and is getting BASHed all over the net,looks like BASHing is gonna be the new CodeRed huh? Well enjoy the new highlighted hairyfeet challenge, I had to highlight it because so many FOSSies can't read or follow simple instructions. Again what do you expect from an OS that has such brilliant leadership [youtube.com]...enjoy!

          Take ANY mainstream consumer oriented (not LTS, because even Ubuntu advises against mainstream users using LTS) from FIVE years ago, this simulates a 5 year typical lifecycle. This BTW is less than HALF a windows support cycle, so I'm cutting linux a break. Lets say you use Ubuntu, that would be Ubuntu 9.10 and can be downloaded from their archive. Install it on ANY PC, desktop or laptop (NOT VM as that isn't real hardware and comes with special drivers) that has a wireless card. Wireless is required because more and more mainstream users are ditching wires and nobody wants a laptop that doesn't have wireless, do they?

          During this phase you are the system builder so CLI (which is usually required because Linux driver support is poor) IS ALLOWED. Once its installed you are no longer the system builder but THE USER, so like a windows user you are ONLY allowed to use the GUI. You then get to "enjoy the freedom" of using nothing but the GUI (because if you can't even update the thing without CLI you're no match for windows are you) of updating to current...with ubuntu that is SEVEN RELEASES, just FYI. You will film this and post it to youtube, you only have to upload the final install process of each release and a pic of the device manager showing working hardware complete with wireless showing WPA V2 connection, but the complete video should be hosted on dropbox to prove you aren't faking it.

          BTW in case it isn't clear working hardware means WORKING HARDWARE, it does NOT mean wireless that can't use WPA, it does NOT mean a PC with no sound or VESA video, it means FULLY WORKING HARDWARE and again if you are unclear please see the highlighted areas as completing the challenge REQUIRES vids of the final install of each upgrade (last I checked that would be EIGHT for Ubuntu, and around SIX for most others, be sure to have room on your SD Card!) along with a 5 minute video of the end of each install showing that upon completion you could go to hardware manager and had 100% functional hardware with NO FUTZING. After all if you have to futz with the thing just to have functional drivers it isn't on the same level as Windows now is it? BTW the first Windows that passed the challenge was Win2K (RTM to EOL with ZERO failed drivers, 10 years of support) WinXP (14 years, ZERO fails) and both Vista and 7 can go from RTM to current with ZERO failures. So lets see them snappies, otherwise you are just throwing yet more bullshit, which if you want bullshit see "many eyes" (which gave us such well vetted code the world lost billions on heartbleed and will probably lose billions more on stopping the current BASHing...what quality!) or again what all the anecdotes guys like you throw around lead to, the ever popular lies [tmrepository.com], damn lies [tmrepository.com], and the tao of bullshittery. [tmrepository.com]

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 11 2014, @12:17AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 11 2014, @12:17AM (#104655)

            Red Hat meets his little challenge.
            That has been pointed out to him about a dozen times already and he keeps trolling this stupid shit.

            ...not to mention that he sets it so that -he- gets to decide what a "mainstream" distro is.

            ...and a Windoze install that survives for 5 years without a reinstall is like a hen's tooth.

            -1 Troll

            -- gewg_

            • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Saturday October 11 2014, @03:31AM

              by Reziac (2489) on Saturday October 11 2014, @03:31AM (#104677) Homepage

              Then I've collected a lot of toothy hens, cuz my Windows setups have never required a reinstall, and generally run 24/7 until the hardware is retired at some very ripe old age (the everyday machines have been 8 to 14 years old when retired). I have clients with even older setups.

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          • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Saturday October 11 2014, @09:33PM

            by tangomargarine (667) on Saturday October 11 2014, @09:33PM (#104874)

            what do you expect from the same OS that gave us heartbleed

            If you read SN regularly, you'd know that HeartBleed was not "a Linux thing." It was a vulnerability in a program that coincidentally runs on Linux (among others) that, if anything, is more closely associated with OpenBSD (but isn't really IIRC). If I find a vulnerability in a third-party program running on Windows, do I blame Microsoft? No.

            Again what do you expect from an OS that has such brilliant leadership [youtube.com]...enjoy!

            Yeah, because we all enjoy ad hominem attacks. And RMS isn't really in charge of Linux, either...he wrote a bunch of the programs (cf. my previous point) that constitute a layer of Linux, but the distro maintainers are far closer to being in charge of Linux. If necessary, I doubt it would be difficult to drop in replacements for the GNU utilities (e.g. the BSD ones).

            Take your TM Repository OSS-hating bullshit and go home. Your life could probably benefit from less hatred in it.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 10 2014, @06:27PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 10 2014, @06:27PM (#104564)

        Slap the Windows 10 tech preview on it you will NOT regret it

        Only if you like to be spied on by M$. [google.com]
        If so, Hairyfeet's recommendations are right up your alley.

        ...of course, with -any- M$ software, everyone ALREADY has the keys to all your^W M$'s backdoors anyway.
        M$ voluntarily hands them over to the NSA and the NSA hands them out to their proxies.

        Haven't we learned -anything- since Snowden's first revelations?

        -- gewg_

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 10 2014, @05:03PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 10 2014, @05:03PM (#104534)

      "If I have to go through and fix FF myself just for that one netbook (and I will)"

      lol. Go ahead then.

    • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Friday October 10 2014, @05:26PM

      by Freeman (732) on Friday October 10 2014, @05:26PM (#104540) Journal

      As part of my job I provide support for approximately 25 laptops. 12 or so of those are ASUS EEE-PC 1000HE Netbooks and 1 is a 701 EEE-PC. During the last Christmas season I made sure to convert all of the 1000HE Netbooks to Linux as they were all running XP. The most recent update I have made to them is switching them to the most recent version of Linux Mint. I then installed Pipelight/flash/silverlight/adobe reader, PlayOnLinux, and a couple of specific Windows Programs I needed to run. There isn't much of a performance difference between Linux with Wine/Pipelight and Windows XP. I'm still stuck with a single-core processor and less than 2GB of RAM per machine. I did rung some benchmarks and there wasn't a significant reduction in speed migrating from Windows XP to Linux.

      The 701 EEE-PC I had already converted to run Lubuntu and is being used exclusively for a specific task or two. The main issue I have with the 701, is that I keep running out of SSD space when I try updating Lubuntu.

      I have found no Reasonable Excuse to keep an Officially unsupported OS on production systems. I am sure there may be a few cases out there, but the reality is that XP is dead. Move On, or figure out how to support React OS.

      --
      Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
  • (Score: 2) by damnbunni on Friday October 10 2014, @06:36AM

    by damnbunni (704) on Friday October 10 2014, @06:36AM (#104345) Journal

    I really wish there was a Mac version of PaleMoon.

    Does anyone know of something similar?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 10 2014, @08:11AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 10 2014, @08:11AM (#104361)

      There is no Mac version AFAIK, and no FreeBSD version either. :(

      But it can be compiled for both! Somehow. I failed miserably in my attempt to get it working on FreeBSD; it always wound up having one problem or another that wound up making it crash. Oddly enough, I've gotten it to compile perfectly fine on Linux before without any instructions.

      Anyway, the author (Moonchild) seems incredibly strict about his brand (Pale Moon). So if someone ever does figure it out, the best way to get the word out is to post some build instructions, because releasing branded binaries is against some EULA or something somewhere.

      • (Score: 2) by KritonK on Friday October 10 2014, @09:05AM

        by KritonK (465) on Friday October 10 2014, @09:05AM (#104372)

        Actually, a MacOS port is in the works. Check out the relevant threads [palemoon.org] in the Pale Moon forum, from where you can download an early version.

        Apart from the Windows version, there are also Linux and Android versions, as well.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 10 2014, @12:16PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 10 2014, @12:16PM (#104416)

        Have you tried running the Linux binary using FreeBSD's Linux binary support?

  • (Score: 2) by TheGratefulNet on Friday October 10 2014, @02:36PM

    by TheGratefulNet (659) on Friday October 10 2014, @02:36PM (#104475)

    is it still broken? I still can't view many utube pages. maybe its my adblocker, but I don't think so..

    otherwise, PM is great. just wish that flash would work (broken on win7 and linux, alike).

    --
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    • (Score: 1) by Gertlex on Friday October 10 2014, @03:01PM

      by Gertlex (3966) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 10 2014, @03:01PM (#104485)

      Works for me... I recall having some sort of graphical issues when I was initially getting set up earlier this year. A few googles later and I was able to fix it... it's probably a relatively common problem. Best of luck!

      • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Friday October 10 2014, @03:15PM

        by tangomargarine (667) on Friday October 10 2014, @03:15PM (#104496)

        I still giggle when I launch Firefox from an install LiveCD and my graphics driver violently shits its pants (IIRC a problem for the last 4 or more Ubuntu/Mint releases). Not that the giggling lasts long...then comes the fist-shaking and cursing of Mozilla.

        --
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    • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Friday October 10 2014, @03:08PM

      by tangomargarine (667) on Friday October 10 2014, @03:08PM (#104491)

      Works For Me(tm), on Windows 7 and Mint XFCE alike, and I even run AdBlock, NoScript, and RequestPolicy, so it probably isn't those either. Just remember if you have NS and/or RP to put in an exception.

      Not to be condescending or anything...but are you sure you have Flash installed? A recent version?

      --
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  • (Score: 2) by LookIntoTheFuture on Friday October 10 2014, @06:04PM

    by LookIntoTheFuture (462) on Friday October 10 2014, @06:04PM (#104550)
    I just upgraded to Pale Moon 25 and it broke netflix streaming. This is what I get when I try to watch something:

    http://www.netflix.com/WiMessage?msg=51 [netflix.com]
    • (Score: 2) by LookIntoTheFuture on Friday October 10 2014, @09:14PM

      by LookIntoTheFuture (462) on Friday October 10 2014, @09:14PM (#104610)

      You need a netflix account to follow that link. Maybe I need to change the User Agent String? Here's what the page says:

      Instant Watching System Compatibility
      Complete System Requirements

      To watch instantly, you''ll need a computer that meets the following minimum requirements:

              Windows
                      Windows Vista or Windows 7
                      Internet Explorer 8 or higher; or the latest version of Firefox; or the latest version of Chrome
                      1.2 GHz processor
                      512 MB RAM
              Mac
                      An Intel-based Mac with OS 10.4.11 or later
                      Safari 4 or higher; or the latest version of Firefox; or the latest version of Chrome
                      1 GB RAM
              Chrome OS
                      A Google Chromebook or Chromebox running Chrome OS 29 or higher

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 11 2014, @04:16AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 11 2014, @04:16AM (#104684)

        from the palemoon release notes page [palemoon.org]:

        Disable Firefox Compatibility mode by default.
        This means Pale Moon will no longer have a Firefox/xx.xx indicator in its UserAgent string.
        This may impact some websites that check browsers by UserAgent and possibly warn, complain or block you. You should contact the site's owners and request support for Pale Moon. Pale Moon will allow you to override the UserAgent on a per-site basis if you absolutely must visit the site and they absolutely won't cater to your freedom of browser choice.

        • (Score: 1) by GeminiDomino on Sunday October 12 2014, @05:47AM

          by GeminiDomino (661) on Sunday October 12 2014, @05:47AM (#104982)

          Between this stuff and breaking a bunch of my must-have addons (ABE, Self-Destructing Cookies, Firebug), it looks like I don't have a choice but to go back to that festering pile that is Firefox. Palemoon was awesome to have when it was "Firefox that didn't suck nearly so bad." Now, it's significantly less useful.

          And I'm someone who knows what he's doing. Netflix, Google, et. al. don't give a shit about "catering to your freedom of browser choice" and, TBH, neither does Joe User. He just wants his Netflix to work.

          Same for GeminiWebDeveloper. If they're going to keep diverging so that I can't be comfortable that testing on PM is, more or less, testing on Firefox, then either I need to add 4 hours to the day, or one of them has to go. And it's not going to be the one that has the much larger user base.

          Goddamn it, WTF is going on with software this year...

          --
          "We've been attacked by the intelligent, educated segment of our culture"