posted by
LaminatorX
on Saturday October 18 2014, @02:29AM
from the patches-patching-patches-patching-patches-patching... dept.
from the patches-patching-patches-patching-patches-patching... dept.
Microsoft is best known as the maker of Windows operating system family. As you are aware, it often issues patches to fix issues with its software. You also probably know that Microsoft has to patch its patches frequently.
This week, Microsoft revoked one patch and re-issued another after they caused problems with the patched systems. The ongoing efforts of Microsoft to produce quality code have the expected results, again.
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(Score: 1, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Saturday October 18 2014, @02:40AM
Wholly crap! You are referring to micro$oft as a "family" of operating systems? What is wrong with a "monopoly" on operating systems, obtained by illegal collusion and coercion? I mean, I mean. . . . (channeling Audi Guthrie here) I meeeeean . . . this is just like referring to all those war criminals who have totally borked foreign policy as the "intelligence community". Irony, thou no longer has a home!
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 18 2014, @04:31AM
Irony died the day Henry Kissinger got a Nobel Peace Prize.
I've been seeing articles lately about how peasant farmers and peasant fishermen in Cambodia had their villages blasted away by tons and tons of bombs from B-52s.
The bombers would then come back and bomb the rubble.
The people were so numb that the Khmer Rouge had no problem manipulating them.
Excellent foreign policy there, USA.
...then there's the USA's little escapade arming the Mujahedeen with USA-built weapons and imagining those anti-imperialists would play nice forever--instead of morphing into al-Qaeda and ISIL.
...but USA companies are selling more weapons[1] every time American-trained Iraqi "soldiers" throw down their weapons and run--leaving that stuff for the insurgents to grab up.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
[1] One of the few remaining USA industries where the jobs haven't been exported.
-- gewg_
(Score: 2) by Tork on Saturday October 18 2014, @07:16PM
🏳️🌈 Proud Ally 🏳️🌈
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday October 18 2014, @08:17PM
Comments like yours are one of the reasons I left Slashdot.
Curious, I would have thought that beta would have been enough all by itself. Sorry if I have offended your sensibilities. You could always go back.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Hairyfeet on Saturday October 18 2014, @10:04PM
Yet more "you are free to be like us or leave" from a FOSSie, surprise surprise. FOSSies are big mommy lovers at heart and HATE freedom because freedom means freedom to not drink their koolaid and we can't have that now, can we? Why what would the great and wise RMS [youtube.com] have to say about that?
As for TFA...anybody know what hardware or software caused the glitch? Because I've been updating dozens of Win 7 systems and have yet to see any problems, no error 80242016 popping up on any of 'em, but since most of my customers have pretty bog standard hardware (Intel and AMD CPU/APU, Realtek and Via sound, Realtek network chips, AMD and Nvidia GPUs) I figure its gotta be something exotic. After all last time we had multiple glitches it turned out to be some funky Sigmatel audio chips that HP had been using in their ultra cheapo Pavilion Worst Buy specials that were hanging so I figure most likely its gonna be something funky but TFA doesn't have any details.
So anybody run into this error 80242016? You got any funky software or hardware? Did you run a dependency walker and see what the root cause was?
ACs are never seen so don't bother. Always ready to show SJWs for the racists they are.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Sunday October 19 2014, @05:13AM
🏳️🌈 Proud Ally 🏳️🌈
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Snow on Saturday October 18 2014, @02:54AM
Look, mattie_p, why do you feel that low blowing MS adds to the summary? If its so damn easy to write updates that get installed on, literally, millions of different hardware configurations, and hundreds of millions of systems, why don't you write them?
Why is his story even noteworthy? Broken change gets reversed. I get to do that a couple times a year at work and my work is nowhere near the complexity that MS has to manage.
Get off your high horse.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday October 18 2014, @03:03AM
At least we have both sides now. All "Fair and Balanced". Peace!
(Score: 2) by kaszz on Saturday October 18 2014, @03:13AM
Why is that the probability that Microsoft fails is so high compared to just about anything else? :D
(Score: 2) by kaszz on Saturday October 18 2014, @03:11AM
Circus Microsoft has hit again :D Make customers buy and install crapware, sell subscription of bad patches, then patch the bad patches with supposedly working patches. Well that is until next load of patches and the sequential motherload of next base installation that needs to be patched. Sounds like the perpetual patch workload for enslaved users ;-)
(Score: 2) by Snow on Saturday October 18 2014, @03:26AM
Are you on drugs?
(Score: 2) by kaszz on Saturday October 18 2014, @03:34AM
Nope, I'm watching the results of drug use at a large corporation in Seattle :p
(Score: 1) by redneckmother on Saturday October 18 2014, @04:20AM
My kingdom for mod points!
Mas cerveza por favor.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by khedoros on Saturday October 18 2014, @03:21AM
Almost every Windows computer will have a unique configuration. Having worked on a number of patches, hotfixes, and service packs myself, and with the frequency that Microsoft patches their software, it surprises me that they don't have more trouble.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday October 18 2014, @03:24AM
it surprises me that they don't have more trouble.
Ah, but they do, matey! They do! That is the problem, and the news in the OP.
(Score: 1) by khedoros on Saturday October 18 2014, @04:41AM
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday October 18 2014, @05:07AM
Surely you saw the post on the Microsoft Quantum Computing Project, that did something to Poincaire's Conjucture? I fear that they may also have awakened the Ancient Ones, I hear the Call of Cthulu in this latest patch of a patch. The recursive absurdity, outside of a unix system, is a sure sign of the apocalypse.
(Score: 2) by kaszz on Saturday October 18 2014, @03:27AM
"with the frequency that Microsoft patches their software"
There's a reason why that is so..
(Score: 2) by Snow on Saturday October 18 2014, @03:35AM
Why do you seem to have a personal vendetta against MS?
Regarding the frequency, they patch once a month, on Patch Tuesday. There are rare out-of-band patches. They patch like that because that's what businesses (their customer) want. MS has an enormous attack surface so there will always be vulnerabilities - just as in OSX, or Linux. Would you prefer that they didn't patch at all?
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday October 18 2014, @03:47AM
Why do you seem to have a personal vendetta against MS?
Is this a serious question? Do you not know the history? The long and repeated illegal activities that is MS? In my own experience, which of course is only a small part, I used WordPerfect, back in the day, on DOS and even later on Windows. On closing, WordPerfect would crash, regularly. Fortunately not always with file corruption, if you remembered to save before closing. Later it came out that this was not accidental, MS had released incorrect APIs to vendors of software that competed with their own, in this case Word. Now for that, lough these many years ago, they have gained an enemy for life, indeed, beyond life? Yes I have a personal vendetta against MS, but it is not unjustified! To quote Rambo (also from an area north of Seattle!): "They drew First Blood!"
OK, sorry, but you triggered me. Do a google search on "homebrew software club" and on the "Halloween Documents". And maybe on the DOJ prosecution and the decision of the courts, before the Bush administration let the whole thing go.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Snow on Saturday October 18 2014, @04:00AM
Fair enough. Just don't let your bias blind you. I really dislike Apple -- for being controlling pricks -- but I recognize a good product and as much as it pains me, I'm buying my mom an iPad for her birthday.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday October 18 2014, @04:24AM
OK, I will try, to ignore that the they had to recall a patch that make things worse. If a bias is in accordance with reality, it is not bias, it is the way things are. Microsoft operating system "family": my point stands, family as in Mafia family. Donny!!
(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Saturday October 18 2014, @02:10PM
I really dislike Apple
I don't, but I might if I were their customer or were forced to use their wares at work or for some other reason. My daughter used to be an Apple fan, but after three broken iPhones she's using a cheap Android that has remained intact.
I can't see paying $500 for something that has little or no more functionality than something (an Android tablet) you can buy for 1/10th the price, so I really have no opinion about Apple. I simply have no use for their products.
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(Score: 2) by kaszz on Saturday October 18 2014, @03:56AM
Microsoft has behaved like an aggressor since they started. Have a look at the SCO Group case for starters but there is a load of others. Anyway the basic problem is that they seduce decision makers in organizations to buy their products on claims that they simple won't live up to ever. And the design and coding are both flawed. Everybody does something wrong now and then. But when there's 10x difference to comparative entities. Something is deeply flawed in the whole system.
(Score: 2) by SlimmPickens on Saturday October 18 2014, @08:15AM
The day Microsoft earns enough good Karma to make up for all the evil things they have done is the day hell freezes over so cold the brimstone becomes superconductive (yes I know most of you know where that came from), but it's still absolutely fucking amazing that all those patches so rarely break things.
(Score: 2) by kaszz on Saturday October 18 2014, @01:05PM
When it comes to software his products sucks. It seems he has a better practices in his philanthropic activities, like fighting HIV, TBC, malaria, visceral leishmaniasis [wikipedia.org] etc. Otoh, I suspect Melinda is the one driving this.
(due to global warming Malaria will likely spread south and creating a vaccine or cure would be in self interest)
(Score: 1) by RedGreen on Saturday October 18 2014, @01:44PM
Really left out the windows requirement forced on most if not all that are receiving it by those activities, same shit different pile...
"I modded down, down, down, and the flames went higher." -- Sven Olsen
(Score: 2) by kaszz on Saturday October 18 2014, @05:30PM
Ouch, seems he just can't get clean.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 18 2014, @06:26PM
Look at the for-profit companies in which his "philanthropic foundation" is invested: Big Pharma, for-profit prisons, for-profit schools.
As RedGreen noted, his "charity" is mostly about pushing "intellectual property" onto the recipient countries.
Gates has never been about anything but profit--specifically from IP.
If it -was- charity he is doing, Gates would NOT be getting richer [google.com] and richer. [google.com]
drinkypoo at the other site has addressed this topic many times very effectively. [googleusercontent.com] (no orig link[1]) [google.com]
Need more? Roy Schestowitz at TechRights has them by the bushel. [techrights.org]
[1] I'm not linking directly to the other site any more.
If the link is broken because Dice Holdings is still screwing around,
I advise you to substitute a valid 12-character string for the bogus one following q=cache:
-- gewg_
(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Saturday October 18 2014, @02:02PM
Vendetta? He's criticizing a company that treated him shoddily after getting his money, like all other Microsoft users. If he wasn't forced to use Microsoft's poorly designed and built software, he wouldn't care and would not have commented.
Why do you defend them?
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 18 2014, @08:32AM
"We could've done without the editorializing. Facts belong in the headline and summary, commentary belongs in the comments."
This. ^
SN editors need to edit not comment!
Please put your comments in the comment section. This is very important. Even the Big Corp papers have an editorial section. Please don't chase me back to the Beta hell. I like it here, I want to be here, I live here, I love here. I have an addiction of /.; but I'm trying to kick it. Please help me! Don't chase me away.
Signed "Your future pay-check"
(Score: 3, Informative) by mcgrew on Saturday October 18 2014, @01:58PM
Why are so many of you guys defending a faceless, soulless, amoral corporation? Most of Microsoft's products are shoddy crap with a shiny coat of paint. Why does my ancient Kubuntu tower with 3/4ths the memory and less than half the processor speed boot in less time than the Windows 7 notebook takes to come out of hibernation? Why is the tower so much easier to use, despite the fact that I've only used Linux since about 2002 and Windows since about 1996? Why do I have to reboot the notebook after patching, but not the tower?
Microsoft writes crappy software, with the exception of Excel and Word, both of which became almost unusable when they came up with that damned ribbon. Why do you defend them? Do you work for them? Make your living fixing their broken software? Hold a lot of stock? What?
mcgrewbooks.com mcgrew.info nooze.org
(Score: 2) by khedoros on Sunday October 19 2014, @07:22AM
Why is the tower so much easier to use
Opinion. I've only done serious software development under Linux (and a smattering of other Unixes). Therefore, I find Linux much easier to develop on, and Windows feels completely counter-intuitive. On the other hand, Windows is easier to use for games and media, because the drivers aren't all fubar. But that's just my opinion, based on my experience. Maybe you've had a different experience. Personally, I've thought that Office has been going downhill since about 97, or maybe 2000, and I don't really understand why you decided to give it a pass.
So, why am I not shitting all over the people that you don't like? Because I don't have a reason to. It's a tool, with flaws like any other software, and I don't see the point in getting riled up about it while I can still do what I want to do. Same with all the SystemD stuff that's been thrown around lately. Frankly, I won't care until the feature request comes in for me to work out a new interface between a daemon and the init system. Even then, it'll be like the last 2 or three changes in OSX, differences between Linux distros, etc. Not a big deal. And Microsoft releasing more security patches is certainly less disruptive than when I had to recompile OpenSSL the last couple of times it had problems (our fault for statically linking it into the product, though).
(Score: 2) by PizzaRollPlinkett on Saturday October 18 2014, @04:01PM
When the industry's biggest software companies with huge QA and testing staffs can't get a patch out, it makes me feel a lot better. I screwed the pooch (so to speak) recently with a bug-fix release that required an immediate bug-fix-fix release because of me screwing something up. Knowing Apple and Microsoft had the same problems recently is a consolation, since they have more test coverage than I do.
(E-mail me if you want a pizza roll!)