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posted by LaminatorX on Sunday October 19 2014, @11:58PM   Printer-friendly
from the tomorrow dept.

Erik Karjaluoto writes that he recently installed OS X Yosemite and his initial reaction was “This got hit by the ugly stick.” But Karjaluoto says that Apple’s decision to make a wholesale shift from Lucida to Helvetica defies his expectations and wondered why Apple would make a change that impedes legibility, requires more screen space, and makes the GUI appear fuzzy? The Answer: Tomorrow.

Microsoft’s approach with Windows, and backward compatibility in general, is commendable. "Users can install new versions of this OS on old machines, sometimes built on a mishmash of components, and still have it work well. This is a remarkable feat of engineering. It also comes with limitations—as it forces Microsoft to operate in the past." Bu Apple doesn't share this focus on interoperability or legacy. "They restrict hardware options, so they can build around a smaller number of specs. Old hardware is often left behind (turn on a first-generation iPad, and witness the sluggishness). Meanwhile, dying conventions are proactively euthanized," says Karjaluoto. "When Macs no longer shipped with floppy drives, many felt baffled. This same experience occurred when a disk (CD/DVD) reader no longer came standard." In spite of the grumblings of many, Karjaluoto doesn't recall many such changes that we didn’t later look upon as the right choice.

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by iwoloschin on Monday October 20 2014, @12:09AM

    by iwoloschin (3863) on Monday October 20 2014, @12:09AM (#107652)

    Saying that Apple designs for tomorrow sounds like they know what they're doing. I think that might be too generous.

    I suspect this is more a case of Jony Ive looked at Helvetica Neue on his fancy ultradef screen and exclaimed, "OMG THIS IS THE BEST THING EVER!" And the proceeded to design it into everything, without regard for how it might look on anything that wasn't right in front of him. So sure, he's right, on the absolutely best thing you can buy it probably looks great, but that's not designing for tomorrow, that's just being lazy and designing for what's in front of you.

    • (Score: 2) by Hairyfeet on Monday October 20 2014, @04:34AM

      by Hairyfeet (75) <{bassbeast1968} {at} {gmail.com}> on Monday October 20 2014, @04:34AM (#107713) Journal

      What is hilarious to me is how if this EXACT SAME MOVE would have been done by Ubuntu or Windows? They would be screaming about fucking retarded using a font that looks like shit on anything but super ultra HD screens, but because its Apple? It just shows what I've said for years, history will show that Jobs greatest skill was BRANDING, he spent his entire life building this image of an "outsider" yuppie company that even years after his death his patented RDF is stronger than it ever was.

      As for whether they are thinking "ahead"? yeah, talk to MSFT about that with Vista and Windows 8. There is NO WAY you can predict what is coming even a year from now...I mean did everybody forget what ultimately killed Vista? MSFT looked at how Intel and AMD was going "bigger is better" and so built their OS for that...and then a little company called Asus built a teeny tiny thing out of scraps later called a netbook that blew the fuck up, and likewise they looked at how these big OEMs were pushing touchscreens and thought convertibles was the way to go only to find users didn't want to stick their greasy fingers on their brand new screen!

      The only buffer Apple has is they have a loyal 30%-40% which is so hardcore Appleite that Cook could model a new device based on the crap he took this morning and sell a couple million "iDooky" but the others just aren't that easy to keep, look at the dropping sales of iPad. Will Apple be able to sell an ugly font? Who knows but we have yet to see any indicators that Cook can find and exploit new markets like Jobs coiuld and THAT more than anything will decide Apple's future. And I really don't think throwing change ups is a bright idea when Google is firing on all cylinders and it looks like MSFT is gonna have another XP on their hands with Win10..is this REALLY the time to rock the boat?

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      • (Score: 2) by E_NOENT on Monday October 20 2014, @09:40AM

        by E_NOENT (630) on Monday October 20 2014, @09:40AM (#107759) Journal

        It just shows what I've said for years, history will show that Jobs greatest skill was BRANDING, he spent his entire life building this image of an "outsider" yuppie company that even years after his death his patented RDF is stronger than it ever was.

        Hear, hear!

        Someone forwarded me the 'green site' link to this story (yesterday?) and I responded by telling him "Oh, that's what's known as a Slashvertisement, which partially is why a lot of us left the Slash/Dice juggernaut."

        . . .

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        • (Score: 2) by Hairyfeet on Monday October 20 2014, @12:39PM

          by Hairyfeet (75) <{bassbeast1968} {at} {gmail.com}> on Monday October 20 2014, @12:39PM (#107790) Journal

          This is something I've always given Jobs all the props for with all sincerity, that man knew how to build and market an image. From the posters on the walls of an Apple store to having stoned Jeff Goldblum in full hipster mode in their "candy Mac" ads every thing was well thought out to sell an upscale image while avoiding the "pass me the grey poupon" douchebaggery that so many that try to sell upscale. In this he has yet to have an equal, his ability to brand is simply unmatched.

          But what amazes me about it is how strong the RDF truly is, how the faithful will try to rally about "price equals quality" even when "you'e holding it wrong" was becoming the punchline of jokes and Samsung is shaming them into replacing defective batteries in their flagship phone. But I tell those followers just what I tell the (frankly fanatical) followers of GNU...If you LIKE this brand, if its aesthetic or look or philosophy is something that appeals to you? Then enjoy it, I wish you nothing but the best. I buy Asus laptops and Asrock boards because their design and software appeals to me personally, everyone has different tastes.

          What I DO have a problem with and will happily deal a smackdown over is when they make the leap from "I like this because it appeals to me personally" to "This product IS TEH BEST" especially when their metrics are built on bullshit like Apple using higher quality parts and design (see the battery and design fails above) or the FOSSies with "Open Source equals awesome security because many eyes myth and source is magic" to which I retort Heartbleed and the BASHing attack that is Shellshock. Just as I loved to lay the smackdown on the Softies trying to sell the "LULZ I Iz A Cellphone LULZ" UI of Win Mist8ke as "innovation"...so is replacing a steering wheel on your car with a joystick, don't make it a good idea!

          If you like something and think its great? I'm glad you have found something that makes you happy, I'm really glad...but don't delude yourself into thinking that because YOU like something or have invested considerable time or money into it that its somehow "better" than alternate choices, because that is delusional. To me THAT above all should be Steve Jobs legacy, that the man was so fucking awesome when it came to branding that even when they have a massive fail, from MacDefender to Bumpgate, shitty support for the latest mobile wireless tech to lousy batteries, even when the evidence to the contrary is literally front page news the faithful will STILL fully believe the RDF...now THAT is some class AAA branding work right there, it doesn't get any better.

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      • (Score: 2) by VLM on Monday October 20 2014, @11:33AM

        by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 20 2014, @11:33AM (#107775)

        "using a font that looks like shit on anything but super ultra HD screens"

        Welcome to my world. I make my living using computers. Unlike some fools in the general public I've always dumped money into my UI. Lighting isn't right? Change it. I have a top of the line original model M keyboard and have been typing since 1981 and not a hint of carpal tunnel and I believe those two facts are related. My chair cost several days pay although its not trendy its super comfy "executive chair". I shim my desk to precise ergonomic height for me, not for a OSHA theoretical model. Anyway one of many UI improvements I've done is when I buy a monitor, which isn't all that often, I buy top of the line for obvious reasons, so I've had 1600x1200 since the mid/late 90s. I downgraded it to LCD because of a CRT problem and the LCD just won't die (probably because it, too, was top of the line at the time). So I still have 4:3 monitors.

        Anyway using 1600x1200 on linux in an era when "web designer" idiots were doing graphics arts with the assumption that all desktops (ALL!) were 640x480 or at most 800x600 was visually painful. The "craft" of web design seems to have grown up a bit over the years with phones and tablets and higher res displays so its not so awful anymore.

        I've been thinking about upgrading the three monitors on my desk but its very hard to find a monitor with equal or better pixels per inch. I can get 2560 x 1600 but its a yard across which must mean pixels the size of my thumb and I don't have space on my desk for three of them (probably?)

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 20 2014, @03:59PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 20 2014, @03:59PM (#107859)

        The only buffer Apple has is they have a loyal 30%-40% which is so hardcore Appleite that Cook could model a new device based on the crap he took this morning

        That reminded me of this: Icrap [youtube.com]

      • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Tuesday October 21 2014, @04:24PM

        by Reziac (2489) on Tuesday October 21 2014, @04:24PM (#108283) Homepage

        Cuz Apple is all about forcing users to buy newer hardware, from Apple of course. Haven't upgraded to the latest Apple hardware? You WILL, after seeing how the latest MacOS looks on your crappy last-year's model.

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  • (Score: 4, Informative) by keplr on Monday October 20 2014, @12:23AM

    by keplr (2104) on Monday October 20 2014, @12:23AM (#107654) Journal

    From the article,

    Sure, Helvetica looks crummy on your standard resolution screen.

    You mean the standard resolution display currently sold on Apple's best selling notebook [apple.com]? Notebooks have roughly a three year life span (at least Apple notebooks) so that means the clock starts counting down from three years once they sell the LAST notebook with one of those "crummy...standard resolution screen[s]". They don't offer a high resolution MacBook Air yet. Once they do, it's going to take three years from that point before the hardware out in the wild EOLs. We could be looking at another year of production for the standard resolution Airs. So that puts widespread adoption somewhere around 2019.

    That's a long time to spend squinting at Helvetica. That's a long time to put up with an absolutely horrible UI that you will see literally 100% of the time you are using the machine. It's no minor thing. This new upgrade doesn't just pull the rug out from under people with old hardware. It's sabotaging people buying BRAND NEW hardware so that, at some future date when they finally get around to upgrading the displays, GPUs, and batteries, across their entire line, we will reap some nebulous reward of enjoying Helvetica Neue.

    The timing on this was all wrong. They should have stuck with the old UI until high resolution displays were already ubiquitous. Notebooks are NOT like phones. These things are going to be around for a lot longer and it's deplorable to relegate all those users to substandard experience simply because their timetable meant getting the software retina-capable before the hardware even exists (in the case of the Air).

    I've downgraded back to Mavericks where I will stay until this sorts out, probably won't be upgrading until I replace this machine (A 2013 MacBook Air 13"). Should also give the people at Mozilla time to unfuck their browser on the Mac. They're slower than Valve when it comes to meaningful releases--despite their "rapid" 6 week cycle.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 20 2014, @09:09AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 20 2014, @09:09AM (#107748)

      I still regularly use my iBook, which is 9 years old. I occasionally use my PowerBook, which is 12 years old. Nya.

    • (Score: 0) by chris.alex.thomas on Monday October 20 2014, @12:40PM

      by chris.alex.thomas (2331) on Monday October 20 2014, @12:40PM (#107792)

      "That's a long time to spend squinting at Helvetica" ??

      I've got yosemite installed on my 2009 macbook (not pro) running at the oh-so-old 1280 resolution and I'm not squiting, not one little bit....

      if you're having problems on your system, I suggest you go get your eyes checked, because my eyes are not 20/20 and I have absolutely no problems, if my eye sight was better, I'd certainly not have problems....

      so you're complaining all sounds a big bogus to me...

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 20 2014, @12:32AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 20 2014, @12:32AM (#107656)

    Forward innovation for consumer products, especially if it doesn't require app developers to start over from scratch.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 20 2014, @02:10AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 20 2014, @02:10AM (#107669)

      If you've been programming for Mac for 30 years, you've needed to start over from scratch many times. Remember when the Macintosh System Software was programmed in Pascal and ran on a 68000? Remember the transition from 24 bit to 32 bit? Remember PowerPC? If you're a 15-year-old "app" "developer" then of course you don't. Apple doesn't do backwards compatibility. You start over from scratch, or your software just doesn't work. Period.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 20 2014, @02:44AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 20 2014, @02:44AM (#107682)

        > Apple doesn't do backwards compatibility. You start over from scratch, or your software just doesn't work. Period.

        You seem to have forgotten how PowerPC ran 68K binaries via an emulator. [wikipedia.org]

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 20 2014, @12:44AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 20 2014, @12:44AM (#107658)

    If Apple can convince their customers that they need to buy a new laptop for this UI (sorry I meant UX) upgrade, then I am going to buy some of their stock.

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Sir Finkus on Monday October 20 2014, @12:52AM

    by Sir Finkus (192) on Monday October 20 2014, @12:52AM (#107659) Journal

    I don't really notice any difference in readability with the new fonts. The fonts are so similar that I almost think this borders on a non-story.

    • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday October 20 2014, @11:31AM

      by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Monday October 20 2014, @11:31AM (#107774) Homepage
      One thing I did notice was that at the fastcodesign link, there were about 10 different fonts visible just in the top screenful. It was just like mid-80s "my first day on a Mac" word processing all over again, where you used every font available to you, in every possible size. Quite why or how I'm supposed to take anything about fonts and design seriously from a bunch of idiots like that, I don't know. The level of wankery surrounding anything to do with fonts is immense. No wonder Apple's a mover and a shaker in the field.
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  • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 20 2014, @01:04AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 20 2014, @01:04AM (#107660)

    After Jobs was kicked out of Apple by the board, he started Next Inc. which developed a high end personal computer based on the Mach operating system (of course the company was eventually acquired by Apple). Anyway, that's when Jobs first came up with the idea of not providing a floppy disk drive - his idea was that people should use CD-ROMs and CD-RWs, which were available but rather expensive at the time.

    After Next shipped its first PC, they were getting killed in the marketplace over the lack of the floppy drive, among other issues. So during an all-hands meeting there was a big argument between various employees and Jobs. Finally, workers started chanting en masse, "We need a fucking floppy! We need a fucking floppy!"

    And so they got one. It was apparently one of the few times that Jobs ever backed down.

    • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 20 2014, @01:22AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 20 2014, @01:22AM (#107662)

      Then he got cancer, and now he's worm food.

      - The End -

      • (Score: 2) by iwoloschin on Monday October 20 2014, @02:17AM

        by iwoloschin (3863) on Monday October 20 2014, @02:17AM (#107670)

        I'm sure there's some anecdote here about how worms eat apples, but it's late and I'm too tired to figure it out.

        • (Score: 2) by mhajicek on Monday October 20 2014, @05:21AM

          by mhajicek (51) on Monday October 20 2014, @05:21AM (#107718)

          What's worse than taking a bite of an apple and finding a worm?
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          Ebola.

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    • (Score: 3, Informative) by CRCulver on Monday October 20 2014, @01:39AM

      by CRCulver (4390) on Monday October 20 2014, @01:39AM (#107663) Homepage

      Anyway, that's when Jobs first came up with the idea of not providing a floppy disk drive - his idea was that people should use CD-ROMs and CD-RWs, which were available but rather expensive at the time.

      The first NeXT computer came with a magneto-optical drive, not a CD-ROM or CD-RW (technology that was only being launched as the NeXT computer hit the market).

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 20 2014, @02:47AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 20 2014, @02:47AM (#107684)

        While I can attest to the truth of that statement, I had a cube myself, it doesn't have any material bearing on the anecdote.

        • (Score: 2) by Tork on Monday October 20 2014, @03:26AM

          by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 20 2014, @03:26AM (#107697)
          The comment was modded 'informative', not 'material bearing'.
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          • (Score: 2) by VLM on Monday October 20 2014, @11:38AM

            by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 20 2014, @11:38AM (#107776)

            "not 'material bearing'"

            Unfortunately it is, because the whole point is they were shipping with whacked out mass storage and the reality was even worse.

            As a young coder at the time of NEXT I studied a book about the NEXT UI trying to figure out why it was so cool and how to get aspects of it on the machines I had access to at the time. Eventually I decided the UI pretty much sucked and did something else.

            • (Score: 2) by Tork on Monday October 20 2014, @05:40PM

              by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 20 2014, @05:40PM (#107894)
              I think you replied to the wrong comment.
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    • (Score: 1) by brocksampson on Monday October 20 2014, @11:11AM

      by brocksampson (1810) on Monday October 20 2014, @11:11AM (#107770)

      Now I know why OS X kernel binaries were named "mach_kernel" pre-Yosemite. I never made that connection before. I wonder if the name-change to just "kernel" in Yosemite is symbolic or completely random.

    • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday October 20 2014, @11:45AM

      by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Monday October 20 2014, @11:45AM (#107778) Homepage
      They weren't CD-RW drives, they were hard-sectored, magneto-optical drives.
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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by hubie on Monday October 20 2014, @02:01AM

    by hubie (1068) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 20 2014, @02:01AM (#107667) Journal

    Wasn't that Microsoft's attempt to move to the future in software?

  • (Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 20 2014, @02:42AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 20 2014, @02:42AM (#107679)

    It's another instance of apple turning to planned obsolecence (the thing they've lost lawsuits over).

  • (Score: 1) by Bill Evans on Monday October 20 2014, @02:55AM

    by Bill Evans (1094) on Monday October 20 2014, @02:55AM (#107686) Homepage

    Heh. Reminds me of python, which is a mess for pretty much this reason.

  • (Score: 2) by velex on Monday October 20 2014, @02:55AM

    by velex (2068) on Monday October 20 2014, @02:55AM (#107687) Journal

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0847817 [imdb.com]

    Helvetica also looks nice on paper.

    Personally I prefer the Deja Vu fonts for screen, but every now and then I'll go crazy and change my default font to Agate or something.

  • (Score: 1) by yarp on Monday October 20 2014, @08:27AM

    by yarp (2665) on Monday October 20 2014, @08:27AM (#107737)

    I'm confused. Can't you just change the font?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 20 2014, @09:34AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 20 2014, @09:34AM (#107757)

      ==http://www.fastcodesign.com/3031432/why-apples-new-font-wont-work-on-your-desktop

      For anyone looking to switch back to Lucida Grande, here's the script that will allow you to patch it in. I was having a meltdown before I patched it in — now all is well again! :)

      ==https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B_u6AjwB3JxSR19USk9CSWhMTnM&usp=sharing

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by PizzaRollPlinkett on Monday October 20 2014, @11:09AM

    by PizzaRollPlinkett (4512) on Monday October 20 2014, @11:09AM (#107767)

    I think it's funny that I don't get a choice. I never chose to stop buying programming magazines like Dr. Dobbs and MSDN, they just disappeared from the magazine racks. I never chose to abandon Gnome for KDE, but had to because Gnome was ruined. I never chose for Firefox to destroy its UI. I never chose for Apple to stop putting CD-ROMs and ethernet ports on their computers. These decisions seem to be the result of nameless, faceless, inhuman processes beyond anyone's control.

    I bought an Apple laptop many years ago partially just to have a portable CD-ROM to take to where I kept archives, so I wouldn't have to haul boxes of archives to a computer. I admit this is probably not a typical use case. But a lot of system admins and so on probably use machines in this way. The laptop is still going strong all these years later, but I would replace it with a cheap Windows box before I'd get another Apple laptop without a CD-ROM.

    Apple also did away with the 17" screen laptop. They apparently are abandoning professional users (you know, the people who can afford their hardware and want to pay for quality because they depend on it) to turn the Mac into a big iPhone. Not sure what abandoning professional users is getting them, since pros are the ones who spend real money on quality hardware and software, while iPhone users mainly download free apps. I haven't figured out why Apple is alienating their best customers with real money.

    Hey, Apple also got rid of iPhoto? I've spent years importing pictures into iPhoto, and now once again I don't have a choice?

    This new Yosemite thing is making Windows 8 look good. I think if I had the choice next year between a Mac and a Windows 10 laptop from Asus, I'd pick the Windows laptop.

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    • (Score: 2) by snick on Monday October 20 2014, @02:14PM

      by snick (1408) on Monday October 20 2014, @02:14PM (#107816)

      I got a shiny new MacBook this year

      I was expecting the "no VGA port", because I'm already whipped.

      No ethernet port????

      No cable lock capability ???

      My MacBook is a brushed aluminum masterpiece surrounded by a tangle of dongles and add-ons to make up for its lack of basic functionality.

      • (Score: 2) by quacking duck on Monday October 20 2014, @11:28PM

        by quacking duck (1395) on Monday October 20 2014, @11:28PM (#108016)

        No Ethernet and no cable lock (and no optical drive, and no HDD, and possibly soldered RAM) is at least partly due to how thin they made it. The traditional Kensington lock wouldn't have enough chassis height to turn. In this context, their omission is reasonable.

        Apple's justifications for making it so thin, on the other hand, is a whole different matter.

        I'm not happy that all these things are gone from a pro machine. I have one of these because work paid for it. I'm extremely ambivalent about my next personal laptop, though.

    • (Score: 2) by Leebert on Monday October 20 2014, @07:19PM

      by Leebert (3511) on Monday October 20 2014, @07:19PM (#107928)

      They apparently are abandoning professional users (you know, the people who can afford their hardware and want to pay for quality because they depend on it) to turn the Mac into a big iPhone. Not sure what abandoning professional users is getting them, since pros are the ones who spend real money on quality hardware and software, while iPhone users mainly download free apps. I haven't figured out why Apple is alienating their best customers with real money.

      Indeed; the same thing is happening to the ThinkPad. I am genuinely at a loss as to what to do for my next laptop.

  • (Score: 1) by WillAdams on Monday October 20 2014, @01:48PM

    by WillAdams (1424) on Monday October 20 2014, @01:48PM (#107810)

    NeXTstep (and OPENSTEP) used Helvetica as an interface font, as well as, in certain places a hand-drawn bitmap font by Keith Ohlfs.

    I'd far rather that instead they had restored:

      - vertical main menu
      - repositionable / tear off sub menus
      - top-level Print, Hide, Quit and Services menus
      - Display PostScript
      - PANTONE colours at the system level
      - Unix expert checkbox

  • (Score: 1) by barnsbarns on Monday October 20 2014, @03:27PM

    by barnsbarns (4730) on Monday October 20 2014, @03:27PM (#107847)

    Does anyone fondly remember Charcoal [wikipedia.org] as the main system-wide font for pre-OS X? Maybe it's time for a renaissance.

    Bonus: Marty P. Pfeiffer made an improved version of Charcoal [scootergraphics.com] that's freely available if you're feeling nostalgic for your OS 9 desktop.

  • (Score: 1) by cybro on Tuesday October 21 2014, @12:16AM

    by cybro (1144) on Tuesday October 21 2014, @12:16AM (#108031)

    The rationalizations being made in this soylenvertisement should have been given to your psychiatrist instead of submitted. That way you might actually get some help with getting over your unhealthy infatuation and delusion.