Tim Cook has recently chosen to disclose his sexual orientation.
While I have never denied my sexuality, I haven’t publicly acknowledged it either, until now. So let me be clear: I’m proud to be gay, and I consider being gay among the greatest gifts God has given me.
At some point society may no longer be surprised when an athlete, celebrity, politician, or other public figure publicly acknowledges his/her sexual orientation. However, we may not be at that point yet.
Will Tim Cook's announcement have any impact on how people view Apple as a company or the likelihood that people will buy their products?
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(Score: 1, Insightful) by Jeremiah Cornelius on Thursday October 30 2014, @07:56PM
I'm not proud to be straight, or to prefer certain female attributes over others.
It's just how it is. Pride should be reserved for how one regards others. Narcissism seems to be the basis for pride in our own self - especially when based on identity and attributes, not accomplishment.
You're betting on the pantomime horse...
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 30 2014, @08:00PM
You don't need to be proud to be straight because there's nobody out there convinced that being straight means you're worthless; and should be "cured" or killed.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 30 2014, @08:33PM
If only that were true [reddit.com]
(Score: 5, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Thursday October 30 2014, @09:27PM
When shit like this is still happening people deserve to be proud for not hiding who they are:
Sep 27, 2014:
The 22-year-old victim was walking with a friend on Broadway near Putnam Ave. in Bushwick Saturday morning when they were confronted by three young men screaming homophobic slurs, cops said. When they tried to flee, the creeps chased after them and opened fire, hitting the victim in the buttocks, officials said.
link [nydailynews.com]
It still takes a lot of courage to be openly gay in this country.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 30 2014, @10:39PM
Were they black youth?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 31 2014, @06:06PM
It's Bushwick (A known NYC ghetto) so most likely. Though a lot of hipsters have been pushing in and thankfully pushing the trash out.
(Score: 2) by keplr on Friday October 31 2014, @02:47AM
But do you see how that's not the same thing as being proud of being gay? He's courageous for not hiding who he is. That could be a source of pride. The underlying reason that necessitates that courage, isn't a source of pride. It's just an accident of biology.
I don't respond to ACs.
(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Friday October 31 2014, @12:32PM
Courage is something to be proud of, but being proud of something you have no control over is stupid.
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(Score: 1) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 30 2014, @09:56PM
I don't think that's true at all.
Just imagine the backlash there would be if a group of people tried to organize a straight-pride parade or celebration of some sort. The backlash would be severe, and we likely wouldn't hear the end of it for some time.
Just imagine the backlash there would be if the CEO of Mozilla made a personal donation in support of opposite-sex marriage. Oh, wait, we don't have to imagine this, because it just happened! The backlash Brendan Eich faced was severe, and we still haven't heard the end of it.
If that Brendan Eich debacle taught us anything, it's that the pro-homosexuality crowd can be just as (if not far more) intolerant and radical than those who are against homosexuality.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 30 2014, @10:21PM
Example doesn't work. That was an anti-gay marriage donation. Supporting opposite-sex marriage with donations is part of a fiction that sees "traditional marriage" under attack, as if the U.S. was a religious state. Opposite-sex marriage isn't going to be banned or diluted. If your church is "forced" to marry gay couples, take it up with your leadership, or get out of organized religion. If you want to whine about same-sex couples getting tax benefits, get it in the queue behind all of the other complaints about how tax money is spent, including straight couple tax relief, the military, Social Security, Medicare, etc.
(Score: 1) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 30 2014, @10:34PM
The GP's example works perfectly well. Eich stood for what he believed in. Unfortunately, it didn't correspond to what the so-called "social justice warriors" believe. They found out about it, turned into the vengeful monsters they truly are, and hunted down Eich. If it's wrong for somebody to lose his or her job for supporting gay marriage, then it is just as wrong for somebody to lose his or her job for supporting heterosexual marriage. Yet being hypocrites, these "warriors" for "social justice" fail to understand this, and instead engaged in some egregious intolerance themselves, all in the name of supposedly fighting against intolerance!
(Score: 1) by jmorris on Friday October 31 2014, @04:13AM
It all makes sense once you realize that when Progressives speak they aren't using English, instead they are talking in NewSpeak. Here are some handy translations to make watching politics more enjoyable.
Tolerance: When progressives agree to tolerate their enemies after they have adopted proper progressive positions. Under no circumstances will 'intolerance' be tolerated. Since Progressive thoughts are by definition correct and enlightened, all dissent must stem from intolerance.
Diversity: When people of every nation origin and sexual orientation come together and think exactly alike. See tolerance above.
Bi-Partisanship: When evil reactionary people become enlightened and join with the forces of progress to pass legislation advancing the cause of progress. Under no condition shall progressives ever compromise their obviously correct and enlightened positions. When at all possible the forces of reaction must simply be crushed, bi-partisanship is only to be engaged in when total victory is not yet possible and a partial one will have to suffice.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 31 2014, @08:44AM
Exactly, but it was used as an example of persecuting straight people.
Both gay and straight people told him to step down. Only bigots defended him.
(Score: 1) by evk on Friday October 31 2014, @10:06AM
There's a big difference between "supporting heterosexual marriage" and supporting the view that heterosexual marriage is the only acceptable form of marriage.
But really, this is such a non issue. Do anyone but a few loud ultra religous and half-nazis really care about who fucks who in this day and age?
(Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Friday October 31 2014, @06:11PM
That dumb argument only works if the gays were actively trying to force everyone to be gay. They aren't and never were. They just wanted to be treated equally and have the same benefits and lives that straight people do.
(Score: 2) by Jeremiah Cornelius on Friday October 31 2014, @12:40AM
Look, I really don't need to think of recognizing the union of privileged, white males to constitute a real milestone in the advancement of human equality.
Cook is a 1-percenter. There's nothing he would suffer the rest of his life, other than looks and whispers at the Catalina Wine Mixer. He's demonstrated all the bravery and integrity of a University Professor announcing opposition to plagiarism.
Proud? Be proud of others, and what they have DONE.
This use of the word "pride" began with blacks in the height of the struggle to achieve civil rights. Understandably, it was impossible - IS impossible - to "closet" one's blackness. Race hatred defined the basis of your complete social identity, from before you were born. Multi-generational self-devaluation gave the need to externalize statements of "pride", and were theraputic and revolutionary in that context.
The unfortunate turn towards a politics of identity led to "Pride" movements for every conceivable identity affiliation. The result was merely factionalism, and the DE-valuing of "pride", through ubiquity.
Cook is gay? Good on him. But to think a rich, white CEO stating the well-known obvious is a point for greater human tolerance is a distraction from real politics of privilege and exclusion - mostly economic - which have been regressive rather than enjoying progress.
You're betting on the pantomime horse...
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Translation Error on Thursday October 30 2014, @08:05PM
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 30 2014, @08:24PM
There's another choice, and that's to say just "[Fuck you!] I'm not ashamed of who I am." That's what the OP is talking about. Of course people should reject the slanders of homophobes, but to swell with pride due to a naturally occuring sexual orientation just doesn't seem warranted. As a gay man myself, I've never understood the "pride" thing, and that kind of un-called-for exuberance does, I think, a lot of harm to LBGT acceptance, because the entire point of the gay rights movement should be to show that we are just ordinary people living ordinary lives, and our orientation doesn't make us special snowflakes.
(Score: 2) by Kell on Thursday October 30 2014, @11:06PM
I think the "proud to be gay" thing is more a matter of taking pride in who you are, no matter what your orientation; for gays in particular it also means asserting "I can be proud of myself, even if I'm gay, because being gay is not wrong". The article on Cook seems to reflect this.
Scientists ask questions. Engineers solve problems.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 31 2014, @02:03AM
I'm not "proud to be straight" but I am proud of all the women I've made love with. "proud ot be gay" means "proud of all the dick I've had"
(Score: 2) by TheRaven on Friday October 31 2014, @09:42AM
As a gay man myself, I've never understood the "pride" thing, and that kind of un-called-for exuberance does, I think, a lot of harm to LBGT acceptance, because the entire point of the gay rights movement should be to show that we are just ordinary people living ordinary lives, and our orientation doesn't make us special snowflakes.
I completely agree. Non-discrimination means not judging people - positively or negatively - on things that shouldn't matter. If your gender, race, sexual orientation, or hair colour are the most important aspects of your personality then I will judge you, not because of your gender, race, sexual orientation, or hair colour, but because it means that you are a shallow and tedious individual. By all means be more proud of your achievements if one of these attributes means that you were at a disadvantage. If you're gay and you grew up in a backwards part of the world where people were prejudiced against you as a result, then you should be proud of things that you've accomplished in spite of that, just as people born in crime-infested inner-city areas who manage to get a good education and make something of their lives should be proud. It doesn't mean that being gay, or being the target of some other form of prejudice in your local area, is something to be proud of, it just means that you've shown that you're a better person than your detractors.
sudo mod me up
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 30 2014, @09:49PM
Do you consistently apply this philosophy? Would you tolerate and even encourage the same "Fuck you! I'm not ashamed of who I am--I'm proud of it!" attitude if the person expressing it were, say, into beastiality instead of homosexuality?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 30 2014, @10:12PM
Clearly somebody childish and intolerant has some mod points and is using them abusively to censor perfectly fine discussion.
Can somebody else with mod points please do the right thing and mod up the parent comment, along with the others under this submission that have been incorrectly modded down, so we may continue to discuss this matter like adults?
SoylentNews isn't Reddit. We should be able to discuss matters such as this here without some freaks getting their feelings hurt and downmodding perfectly fine comments for no good reason.
(Score: 1) by pert.boioioing on Friday October 31 2014, @01:40AM
No, because it's a stupid and deliberately inflammatory comment that adds absolutely nothing to the discussion.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by srobert on Thursday October 30 2014, @08:18PM
People should be proud of their own accomplishments. Being gay isn't an accomplishment. (Unless you think you had a choice in the matter). Neither is being white, black, or American (unless you're a naturalized citizen). By the same token, one should also not be ashamed of these things.
So the CEO of Apple is gay and proud of it. Is he proud of the way workers making Apple products in a Chinese sweatshop are treated? That's something he has some control over. And he ought to be deeply ashamed of it.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by FatPhil on Thursday October 30 2014, @09:04PM
Were I to say "I consider being straight among the greatest gifts God has given me", I'd expect the response to be something along the lines of "Fuck you asshole! You homophobic redneck dick", and to be dumped in the same grave as Fred Phelps.
I'm happy he's happy. I'll be even happier when my friends can happily attend the various (attempts at) local Gay Pride festivals without fearing for their life. (Respect to the cops, they try to keep it safe, but there are fewer coppers than skinheads, and a large portion of the festivals need to be cancelled.)
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: -1) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 30 2014, @09:59PM
The pro-homosexuality crowd has indeed shown itself time and time again to be extremely intolerant toward anyone who doesn't share their beliefs.
It's quite sad to see people who should know better engaging in such blatant and inexcusable hypocrisy.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Friday October 31 2014, @01:10AM
And after this announcement, I wouldn't call Tim Cook a particularly "pro-homosexuality" spokesperson. He's just some mega-rich guy who's admitted, rather patronisingly, to be gay. Now if he starts a series of rallies where he pushes gay superiority, things would be different. And if he got control of the nuclear arsenal and started WWIII, things would be different. And if he did all kinds of things that he's not doing, things would be different. But he's not, so things aren't different.
Head of megacorp is arrogant. That's really not the news at 11 on any day.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 31 2014, @12:41AM
Maybe he's just trying to kick the Apple Distortion Field up a notch, and trying to convince all the apple zombies^Wcustomers that being gay is superior. Oh wait, that already happened.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 31 2014, @08:52AM
If you only read every other line, indeed it does.
If you had read the next line, you would know that the "greatest gift" was the gift of knowledge. Specifically, knowledge about what it's like to be in a minority.
Doesn't everybody here consider knowledge the greatest gift of all?
(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Friday October 31 2014, @12:41PM
Knowledge isn't a gift. Knowledge is the result of study, the result of work. Intelligence is a gift.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 31 2014, @01:31PM
I know that the weather here isn't great. I didn't need to study to gain that knowledge. A quick look out of the window sufficed.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Saturday November 01 2014, @10:28AM
You're on drugs. Or English isn't your first language. Or you're a fanboi stuck inside some reality distortion field that makes what he says sound different to you. Or something. But no, your interpretation is certainly not my interpretation. He may have wished that he said what you said, but he said what I said.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 30 2014, @10:07PM
Why is the parent modded "2, Troll"? It makes perfectly valid points.
I think that that mis-moderation is a great demonstration of how backward the pro-homosexuality community has become lately. Now it's no longer about them defending themselves, or trying to attain acceptance, like in past decades. Now they've become overtly militant, going out of their way to censor and oppress anyone who doesn't express raving support for their agenda. They've become exactly what they've claimed to oppose for so long.
(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Friday October 31 2014, @12:45PM
Why is your comment not moderated "-1, offtopic"? If you want to bitch about moderation, do it in your journal unless the story is about moderation.
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(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 30 2014, @10:45PM
Submissions about highly-politicized topics such as this, or the one about that black thug who attacked the police in Ferguson and got shot to death, always bring out the worst in the mods here.
I see numerous legitimate comments modded down for no good reason at all.
We should be able to discuss these sort of topics without roving bands of moderation abusers engaging in flagrant censorship.
Maybe for political topics, nobody should have mod points. Every comment, regardless of who posts it, starts at and stays at a score of 1. That way we can discuss these matters like adults, without immature mods engaging in harmful censorship of good comments.
(Score: 2) by DECbot on Thursday October 30 2014, @11:30PM
I find you comment interesting.
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(Score: 2) by tynin on Friday October 31 2014, @12:05AM
I disagree with your assessment that the kid was a thug, as I don't think anyone here could speak first hand of the kids character.
But I really like the idea of not letting mod points be spent on stories that are political. Unfortunately I think it would lead to much more time wasted on people arguing what is and isn't a political topic. That said, I still modded you interesting. Undisputably political topics would be much better with less of the mods marking people troll because they disagree with them.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 31 2014, @01:08AM
The video from the convenience store showed us everything we needed to know about that thug's character.
(Score: 1) by tftp on Friday October 31 2014, @01:37AM
We cannot personally know people who died long ago, or who never were born (fiction literature,) or who live right now but are not accessible (politicians, generals, other VIPs.) Should we stop talking about their actions, their decisions, and their ideals? Those people, living, dead, or otherwise, are not just abstract names on paper. We know what they did, and that allows a thinking man to learn quite a lot about the person.
Most of us cannot claim personal knowledge of Mr. Brown. However people have some information, now public, that does not present Mr. Brown in a very good light. There is physical evidence of the confrontation that confirms the LEO's story. There is then simply logic - the LEO had no reason to kill someone in full daylight and in presence of witnesses; however Mr. Brown was carrying stolen goods at the time and had a reason to evade the police.
(Score: 2) by tynin on Friday October 31 2014, @12:21PM
I suppose I've not been following the case in some time. Last I had read they exonerated him from stealing anything from the store. So hard to know what is media spin and what is fact.
(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Friday October 31 2014, @12:57PM
There is physical evidence of the confrontation that confirms the LEO's story.
Are you lost, little one? This is a nerd site. Here, LEO is an acronym for Low Earth Orbit. Are you saying the cop was high?
I, for one, find using "LEO" when three different letters, "cop", far better communicates to be incredibly idiotic.
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(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Friday October 31 2014, @12:53PM
There are plenty of unmoderated message boards. If you have no moderation, you wind up with 4chan.
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(Score: 2) by tynin on Friday October 31 2014, @01:54PM
Even with moderation, it feels like some of the political threads devolve into 4chan levels of discourse. At least it hasn't been as bad as it was on the other site.
I do realize it would also be a form of censorship, so for that alone I wouldn't want it to be implemented.
(Score: 1) by tftp on Friday October 31 2014, @01:19AM
Maybe for political topics, nobody should have mod points.[...] That way we can discuss these matters like adults, without immature mods engaging in harmful censorship of good comments.
I don't know how it is currently, but perhaps mod points should be given only to people with high karma (45 or more.) Otherwise one could make a hundred clones who never post anything and are only used for farming mod points.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 31 2014, @04:00AM
The moderations not agreeing with your bias is not the same as them being incorrect. The moderations are correct, its your bigotry thats wrong.
(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Friday October 31 2014, @12:51PM
If I had mod points you would get a "troll" from me, anonymous cowardly troll. Offtopic? Yep. Inflammatory? Yep. Adds anything to the discussion? Hell no.
the one about that black thug who attacked the police in Ferguson and got shot to death
He wasn't a thug, you racist asshole. He'd never been in trouble, had just graduated high school and was enrolled in engineering school. He was a nerd. He was one of us. You are not.
Take your disgusting skinhead remarks somewhere else. (BTW, I'm an old white man)
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 31 2014, @01:27PM
It's even worse: clearly off-topic comments (such as yours) get modded +1.
What SN lacks is a way to express dis/agreement with a comment without modding it.
Coincidentally:
without roving bands of moderation abusers
I don't see the problem. If the hive mind at SN thinks your comment should be buried, then why should it not be buried?
If SN consistently mods down certain comments, then this community apparently doesn't share the views expressed in those comments.
(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Friday October 31 2014, @12:30PM
Indeed. Being proud of something you have no control over and did not cause, like race, sexual orientation, or even high intelligence is just plain stupid.
Pride should be reserved for how one regards others.
Did you lose your dictionary? Why should I be proud about someone else's accomplishments? That's not pride, that's applause.
Narcissism seems to be the basis for pride in our own self
Pride IS narcissistic. The Bible comes down pretty hard on pride and the prideful.
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(Score: 2) by Fnord666 on Thursday October 30 2014, @08:19PM
Will Tim Cook's announcement have any impact on how people view Apple as a company or the likelihood that people will buy their products?
No, it won't have any impact on my view of Apple. It will however have an impact on my view of Tim Cook.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 30 2014, @10:47PM
The way that Apple has trashed the usability and quality of pretty much every successful product of theirs should be the real topic of discussion here. That will have a much greater impact than whatever the CEO might like to do with his willy.
(Score: 2) by krishnoid on Thursday October 30 2014, @08:29PM
The term can be kind of confusing. I read a book about this once which made the point that it's not so much 'pride' as it is an 'absence of shame' -- antonyms, but with subtly different connotations on their own.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by jmorris on Thursday October 30 2014, @08:32PM
Seriously? What possible negative impact could this have anywhere, especially Apple. Apple has been pretty much the most pro gay company for decades, was pretty much the first of any size to offer company benefits to same sex partners, etc. Coming out NOW should get negative PC points if anything. What the heck is 'empowering' or whatever to come out when it is the 'cool' thing to do? No, you get points for doing it when it might have a price to be paid. About all the 'price' he will have to pay now is losing a day of work to do a front cover spread in Vanity Fair.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Buck Feta on Friday October 31 2014, @04:23AM
> What possible negative impact could this have anywhere
No Apple sales to conservative countries?
- fractious political commentary goes here -
(Score: 1) by dpp on Friday October 31 2014, @07:48PM
How about in many countries around the world it's illegal to be gay - from prison terms, to public shaming, beatings or even death sentence.
In case you didn't realize, Apple's a big company and known around the world.
"cool thing to do"/no "negative impact"
Yeah...real cool if he's in some business dealings with say a heavily Muslim country which has laws against gays, or say India where it's illegal to be gay?
They'll think it's just to "hip & cool"...can cause any harm there.
How about in the US o A? Companies with right-wing-conservative-religious leaders? Think Chick-fil-A COO might think twice about purchasing Apple vs competitor after this news/Apple's public/vocal stance on gay marriage?
"most pro gay company"?
I don't think Tim came out to make his company more "pro gay". This isn't about benefiting Apple.
You do realize that in ~30 states in the US you can simply fire someone, or evict them, for "being gay"?
Here's a clue - go search the internet for articles about this & note that it's often a top-trending article on said site, & then read the comments section & see how many whackos are screaming about dumping Apple products, how Tim should step down, or much much worse. You'll then note that - this is still a BIG DEAL.
I'm mean this observation as a constructive criticism - from your comments, you appear to be woefully ignorant about this topic.
(Score: 1) by dpp on Friday October 31 2014, @07:59PM
jmorris - No making this assumption about you, but I've seen a trend on the "internets" in reaction to Tim Cooks announcement.
That trend is that the vast majority of the people who say "Meh" or "Who cares? People should shut up and not talk about this" turn out to be people who actually DO care.
As I've engaged them further in discussion as to why they claim to say this is a "non issue" and "we shouldn't even be talking about this", I've discovered the real reason is that they're NOT ok with Tim being "out" and gay, that they are anti-gay and now with civil rights for gays moving forward and public opinion majority in favor of such - they've come to a point where they're no longer comfortable saying - "I don't like gays. Gays are icky! There shouldn't be any gays!".... so they've moved on to - "let's not talk about this."
Again, not assuming you are of the ilk I've described here, but just pointing out the trend I've uncovered.
Regarding your "no negative, only positive" for Tim's actions - as I replied previously, this just informs us that you don't have a clue as to the state of public opinion or treatment of "out" gays around the world (or in the states).
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 30 2014, @08:36PM
I had a thought (I very rarely do this though) to troll on slashdot about apple (which I hate..)
I thought to say that apple is going to release new buttplug named 'iPlug' with revolutionary 'rectina'
technology that would stimulate each separate nerve in the anus.
It seems that now such announcement is way closer to the truth... :D
Not that I have anything against gays, but I do hate apple for destroying the computer world as we know it
(Like dealing with signed bootloader on my phone)
So this gay connection ought to make apple less attractive target for virtual penis enlargement option.
And this can only do good.
I so hope to see competition in the computer world again.
I really hate that today its either apple product or apple clone, this is really not needed.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 30 2014, @10:21PM
Can somebody please undo the abusive mis-moderation and mod that comment up? It's obviously not a troll.
(Score: 3) by turgid on Thursday October 30 2014, @08:49PM
All the raving mad conservative bigots will be rushing to sell their fruit-based computers and gadgets, so now's the time to pick up a great second-hand bargain!
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 2) by Tork on Thursday October 30 2014, @09:13PM
🏳️🌈 Proud Ally 🏳️🌈
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 31 2014, @03:57AM
Rush Limbaugh is also a huge Oxycontin fan. He's the type to tell his audience to do one thing while doing the opposite himself.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 30 2014, @11:48PM
Dude, nobody wants to buy second-hand iProducts. They bend. They're all bent!
(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Friday October 31 2014, @12:59PM
You're holding it wrong.
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(Score: 1) by dpp on Friday October 31 2014, @08:02PM
Man, I hope there's some right-wing-religious-nutter who puts one of those new "Retina 5K" monitors out on the curb for me to have.
Sadly for Apple, I'd be plugging it in to an Ubuntu workstation. :)
(Score: 2) by turgid on Saturday November 01 2014, @02:00PM
I'd love to have one of those. My Slackware box boots up to the command line (I start X manually). It would be wonderful to see those old text-mode fonts on that screen.
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Inops on Thursday October 30 2014, @09:26PM
Wow, the replacement CEO of Apple is gay?
The Apple who make overpriced electronics?
The Apple who make fashion accessories for every hipster from San Francisco to Brighton?
Wow!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 30 2014, @10:36PM
Can somebody please mod the parent comment up? It's clearly not "flamebait", and is yet another victim of the rampant mis-moderation that is going on here.
(Score: 3, Funny) by RamiK on Thursday October 30 2014, @09:36PM
While I have never denied my love for well prepared poultry, I haven’t publicly acknowledged it either, until now. So let me be clear: I'm proud to be a chicken connoisseur, and I consider being a chicken connoisseur, among the greatest gifts the Flying Spaghetti Monster has given me.
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(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday October 30 2014, @09:54PM
While I have never denied my love for well prepared poultry, I haven’t publicly acknowledged it either, until now. So let me be clear: I'm proud to be a chicken connoisseur, and I consider being a chicken connoisseur, among the greatest gifts the Flying Spaghetti Monster has given me.
You are an irredeemable sinner who will burn in hell for eternity. If I saw you on the street I would yell Alektorophobic slurs at you before opening fire.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Thursday October 30 2014, @10:38PM
You have probably chosen the wrong dictionary term, I believe you were looking for "cock".
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(Score: 4, Insightful) by Lagg on Thursday October 30 2014, @09:51PM
You know, even here in the southwestern US where bigoted inbred pieces of shit are a thorn in my side every day I've never seen one of them say "I'm proud to be straight and it's one of the greatest gifts God has given me". I've never seen anyone who has AB blood say "I'm proud to have AB blood, it's one of the greatest gifts god has given me" come to think of it. Hell, I've never said I'm proud to be semi-bisexual. It's just something that's kind of silly to say.
Really, unless both Tim and the people who he's saying this to are the kind of idiot that insist that being gay is a lifestyle choice (honestly, wouldn't surprise me) this is in the same vein as going "I'm proud that I have this DNA. It's awesome." Well, good for you I guess? I might be a little biased though, I thought it was equally silly that people who were born in the US say "I'm proud to be an american". I too am proud to have won the birth lottery. I worked hard at it after all.
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(Score: 2) by TheRaven on Friday October 31 2014, @09:45AM
semi-bisexual
Monosexual?
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(Score: 2) by Lagg on Friday October 31 2014, @12:48PM
No, it's just how I refer to myself. By all definitions I'm bisexual but it seems like women are my preference more often than not rather than 50/50. Not sure if that's how other people with the same orientation are, don't really care either.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 31 2014, @01:34PM
Whoosh.
(Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Friday October 31 2014, @06:27PM
Most everyone is mono sexual, even gay people.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Pseudonymous Coward on Thursday October 30 2014, @09:56PM
Writing an article about this shit is what makes it a big deal. THIS is how you divide people, damn it!
Only Apple fanboys care about this 'news'. I don't care, and neither should you.
Back in the 50s? You'd get chemically castrated because you came out of the closet. This isn't the case anymore.
You have the entire social-justice-warrior space behind you if you've been struck by special-snowflake-ism.
If you're not a special snowflake? You should check your privilege, cis-scum!
Hell, there's no way in hell you can be 'wrong' if you're gay, or trans, or what have-you. (Conversely, there's no way to be 'right' anymore if you aren't a snowflake!)
If you're a 'snowflake' you get 'accepted' by all these holier-than-thou moral-warriors that only accept you because you label yourself something.
Why can't anyone accept people anymore because they're HUMAN?
And if you're not a snowflake and still write about it? Oh god, what a supporter you are!!
This whole fake-acceptance bullshit is what grinds my gears. It's bled over in all these artsy-fields, and is now bleeding into our tech-world, where you get accepted if you're good at something.
Us tech peeps? We VALUE your - OUR craft. Not who you are.
No, man. This article reeks of that whole 'web 2.0' 'agile' fake-acceptance crap.
</rant>
tl;dr:
I'm gay.
I'm a programmer.
And I don't give a fuck who you are, as long as you do your craft well.
If not? I might still like you because we share common interest, regardless of who you physically are, see Hotwheels[1] for a good role model, I'm not one.
[1] http://knowyourmeme.com/blog/interviews/qa-with-fredrick-brennan-of-8chan
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 30 2014, @10:17PM
I think you miss the point.
Why is Business Week covering this? Probably because they want to be understood as the kind of magazine that positively covers people like this guy, so that they can sell themselves as a magazine for the kind of person who would read that magazine, i.e., an educated, upper-middle-class person, but not the icky kind who spit on homeless people.
I agree, though, that it's frustrating to be a member of a minority that strivers lavish attention on to look cool.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 30 2014, @10:18PM
This only became a problem within the tech community once the hipsters invaded. This crap just wasn't an issue until around 2006, when Ruby on Rails, NoSQL, and JavaScript really took off, and these piss-poor technologies drew in hipsters without end.
Before then, people in the industry didn't really give a fuck where you put your cock on your own time, or what you put up your anus or vagina. It was irrelevant.
Hipsters, however, do care about such stuff for whatever reason.
The obvious solution is to start excluding hipsters from the industry, to restore the previous environment. There are lots of talented programmers and designers who aren't hipsters. Hire them instead of the hipsters. They'll get the work done, and get it done well, without bringing in the political baggage that hipsters love to lug around.
(Score: 2) by skullz on Thursday October 30 2014, @11:08PM
But hipsters make such pretty (but non-functional) websites! I mean, have you SEEN the fonts they pick? Genius!
(Score: 2) by DECbot on Thursday October 30 2014, @11:37PM
But if you remove the hipsters from web development, I'll stop needing flash and no script. hell somebody might even make a standard for php.
cats~$ sudo chown -R us /home/base
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Friday October 31 2014, @01:15PM
You might be on to something here. I realized how much the tech world had changed when I participated in the NYC BigApps competition a couple years ago. Out of a room of 100 there were maybe 3 serious coders. A further 27 on top of that were ruby kids who had picked up just enough to throw something half-assed and redundant together. The other 70 were full-on hipsters who were there for the vibe, free beer and organic kale chips, and to hook up.
That's why I value outlets like SN and the maker movement, because they're places for real geeks to go and learn from each other.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by SGT CAPSLOCK on Thursday October 30 2014, @11:54PM
I mean, whatever floats his boat, but can you imagine if Steve Jobs ever came out with a press release like, "I love women. I love women so much, there's so many of them I want to do sexy things with, blah, blah, God has blessed me with a great sexual orientation"?
It'd be freakin' weird, mannnn. This doesn't make sense.
...Unless the Government is involved...
(Score: 2) by PizzaRollPlinkett on Friday October 31 2014, @10:10AM
So why did Tim "I'm Gay" Cook just hire Dr Dre, a rapper who made his fame and fortune with crude homosexual slurs in his lyrics? I think the only thing that matters here is money and profit. Apple and anyone else will do anything and compromise any principles to make more money. That's the only message I'm getting.
(E-mail me if you want a pizza roll!)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 31 2014, @11:45AM
Nobody knows i'm straight unless i tell them.
They might assume. But that really doesn't involve me at all.
Keep your sexuality. And your religion to yourself.
And your politicial views too. Tired of that.
And i still don't care if you're a vegan either.
When did we become unable to keep shit to ourselves?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 31 2014, @02:22PM
Because if gay people don't come out publicly, society at large can pretend:
1. Gay people don't exist here.
2. Gay people are all pedophiles and/or sex-obsessed and/or disease-ridden. See The Other Site's discussion of this topic for someone genuinely claiming this.
3. Gay people are fringe, deviant, and don't succeed in life.
I agree that "he's gay!" shouldn't be the long-term focus on Tim Cook. What he does in his professional life is much more important. But when the CEO of a very public and profitable company is openly gay, that shows #1-3 for the falsehoods they are. Among other impacts, struggling LGBTQ youth may realize they're not alone, and the possibilities are wide open for them too. That's why this is news for a few days.
(Score: 2) by marcello_dl on Friday October 31 2014, @05:57PM
Why keep your religion to yourself? Keep the obedience to your religion to yourself, do not force it on others or you basically will have prevented them from choosing freely, which is evil no matter how things turns out after death.
Manufactured zeitgeist and inability for a serene exchange of opinions leads me to think that the plan is:
1. push religion(s) aggressively
2. offer the censorship of all religions as a cure
3. no ???
4. profit!!!
And back to topic:
1. attack gays and prevent law to let whatever number people of whatever sexual orientation inherit and share responsibilities in a civil union
2. offer the all or nothing "gay marriage" as a cure
3. no ???
4 profit!!! marriage gets diluted as a concept, plus the state has succesfully mandated how you should think "homosexuality is normal" as a bonus. No, homosexuality isn't normal, just being extremely shy, extremely bold is not normal, those are things that bear consequences. That does not mean that anybody who has one of these trait is not to be respected, or has to be forcefully normalised, or has to be excused when he does something wrong.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 31 2014, @01:40PM
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Apple_Computer_Logo_rainbow.svg [wikimedia.org]
(Score: 1) by fatuous looser on Friday October 31 2014, @05:10PM
Thursday on the Crackpot & Buzzkill podcast (No Agenda show #665) they speculated that Mr. Cook was about to be embarrassed by a revelation by a TLA, perhaps a naughty photograph or three, ostensibly to punish him for locking down the iPhone with encryption. So Mr. Cook wanted to be first on the record. Otherwise he would never have made such a statement. It may be a stretch but I find the theory intriguing. A price is extracted for refusing to play ball with the spook brigade.
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The primary purpose––& inevitable result––of dragnet surveillance is blackmail. Then there's insider stock trading & the stealing of trade secrets. Last but not least, the monitoring of dissension amongst the populace so it can never get too organized. Can anybody come up with some legitimate reason to be "upstreaming" every bit & byte & sending it off to Utah? No, because there ain't one. It is shameful & stenchy & we are allowing it to be done to ourselves.