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posted by LaminatorX on Saturday November 01 2014, @01:41AM   Printer-friendly
from the a-patchy-server dept.

This year marks the 15th anniversary of the The Apache Software Foundation's (ASF) formation, beginning with the Apache HTTP Server[http://projects.apache.org/projects/http_server.html]. The ASF has grown significantly since then, and today houses more than 150 top-level projects, exceeds 500 individual members, and over 4,000 committers have collaborated on ASF projects. This anniversary gives us a great opportunity to take a look back at what has made the ASF so successful, and what that means for its future.

The ASF welcomes those who will join us in the years to come - looking forward to not only the next 15 years, but many more!

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  • (Score: 2) by VLM on Saturday November 01 2014, @02:20AM

    by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 01 2014, @02:20AM (#112096)

    I wonder if group politics are better if you've got 1 big project to eat all the flames and drama and 149 "unsexy" but productive projects no one has ever heard of (Derby? How could I miss that exists given the kind of stuff I do at work?).

    Another way of putting it is I bet there's more installs of Apache than everything else put together?

  • (Score: 2) by nyder on Saturday November 01 2014, @02:23AM

    by nyder (4525) on Saturday November 01 2014, @02:23AM (#112098)

    16 Years I'd think.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 01 2014, @03:27AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 01 2014, @03:27AM (#112109)

    Even after all of these years, Apache HTTP Server is still the only project that's really relevant.

    Yeah, there are a few other Apache projects that see some minor use. And there are some that get a lot of hype, like Hadoop. But the rest are pretty much abysmal failures. It's more of a graveyard for failed projects (often written in Java) than it is a collection of successful projects.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 01 2014, @03:37AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 01 2014, @03:37AM (#112112)

      Hadoop. I lot of companies are throwing a lot of resources at this. Perhaps it was hype 5 years ago, but today it might surprise you how entrenched it is today. Thankfully other open source software has shown up to challenge that domain as well.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by deimios on Saturday November 01 2014, @05:16AM

      by deimios (201) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 01 2014, @05:16AM (#112120) Journal

      Ever heard about these ASF projects: Cassandra, CouchDB, Maven, Subversion, SpamAssassin, Tomcat, Openoffice?

      • (Score: 2) by Nerdfest on Saturday November 01 2014, @06:19AM

        by Nerdfest (80) on Saturday November 01 2014, @06:19AM (#112131)

        There are a pile of Java frameworks as well. There must be 50 components to Apache Commons alone. These are *extremely* useful and popular in the Java community.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 01 2014, @06:25AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 01 2014, @06:25AM (#112133)

        Openoffice, that's the historical precursor to LibreOffice. I'm sure museum curators are thrilled.

      • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 01 2014, @12:58PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 01 2014, @12:58PM (#112182)

        Those are probably what the GP was referring to by the, "Yeah, there are a few other Apache projects that see some minor use." line of that comment.

        They're mostly projects that were independent at one time, but basically ended up failing. They ended up under the Apache umbrella as a last resort.

        Cassandra and CouchDB? They're failed NoSQL DBs. MongoDB and relational DBs killed them.

        Maven? A failed package/dependency management system. People moved away from Java to Ruby, JavaScript, Python and other languages with there own package/dependency managers.

        Subversion? A failed version control system. Git and Mercurial killed it.

        SpamAssassin? A failed email filtering system. A lot of people and businesses just use GMail now.

        Tomcat? A failed Java Servlet container. Most sensible people just use Jetty, and serious users use WebSphere.

        OpenOffice? A failed office suite. People just use LibreOffice instead, or even Microsoft Office.

        So as you can see, every single item in your list actually reinforces what the GP said. Apache is a seniors' home for dying projects, and also a graveyard for those that have actually died.

        • (Score: 2) by isostatic on Saturday November 01 2014, @05:40PM

          by isostatic (365) on Saturday November 01 2014, @05:40PM (#112229) Journal

          Interesting assertions there, you tend to be confusing "some" with "everyone", or do you have proof for your claims?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 01 2014, @11:10PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 01 2014, @11:10PM (#112279)

            They aren't assertions. They're facts.

    • (Score: 2) by mtrycz on Saturday November 01 2014, @09:06AM

      by mtrycz (60) on Saturday November 01 2014, @09:06AM (#112149)

      I'll let you have your opinion, and continue to boost my day-job productivity with the dozens of projects I use daily. Have fun!

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 01 2014, @01:00PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 01 2014, @01:00PM (#112184)

        Well, the rest of us tend to use a good language like Python, instead of Java. We don't need to reply on Apache to fix all of the holes in our language's standard library. We're productive without Apache, because we use a language that isn't broken to begin with.

  • (Score: 2) by gallondr00nk on Saturday November 01 2014, @09:17AM

    by gallondr00nk (392) on Saturday November 01 2014, @09:17AM (#112150)

    And switch to nginx instead ;)

  • (Score: 2) by meisterister on Saturday November 01 2014, @07:01PM

    by meisterister (949) on Saturday November 01 2014, @07:01PM (#112239) Journal

    Don't f*ck it up. Seriously. The Apache software foundation is in a good spot right now with awesome software. All they have to do is resist the urge to start making massive changes that no one asked for. Too many other projects have ended up that way and I'd really rather not see the web server software that killed IIS go down.

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