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posted by janrinok on Thursday November 27 2014, @09:47PM   Printer-friendly
from the and-on-reflection dept.

It is common knowledge that white roofs (or plant covered roofs) can help reduce building cooling costs in sunny areas. The effect varies depending on latitude, and can reduce the Urban Heat Island effect which contributes 2-4% of the gross global warming.

Not everyone agrees, and there is at least one study that suggest reflecting roofs may not be helpful in fighting global warming even if they do reduce air-conditioning costs. The problem is that reflected light can heat existing pollution and dust in the atmosphere.

ScienceMag is reporting on a new development by engineers at Stanford University that has the potential to not only reflect sunlight, but also re-radiate heat directly into space, without heating the atmosphere.

The first part of the new cooling technology, reflecting, is easy to grasp: Just look in a mirror. The second part, radiating away heat, is less intuitive. Buildings, trees, and people all radiate heat in the form of infrared light.

Typically this infrared radiation occurs over a broad range of wavelengths between 6 and 30 micrometers. Because molecules in the air can absorb [heat] at the top and bottom of that range, the radiation heats up its surroundings. Wavelengths between 8 and 13 micrometers, however, pass right through the air into the cold vastness of space.

The engineer's developed a complex seven layer material that reflects 97% of the light striking it, but it also radiates heat (fed to it by the building itself) through that golden window of 8 and 13 micrometers, which dumps the heat directly to space without heating the atmosphere.

The coating can cool building roofs 5°C below ambient temperature. Still unknown is if the material can be installed cheaply enough to be cost effective.

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  • (Score: 2) by mhajicek on Thursday November 27 2014, @10:55PM

    by mhajicek (51) on Thursday November 27 2014, @10:55PM (#120702)

    Way cool!

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 27 2014, @11:29PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 27 2014, @11:29PM (#120715)

      Exactly so.

      My 2nd reaction was *How long have they known about the shape of that bandpass and why hasn't everyone with a Physics|Materials Engineering degree jumped on this before?*

      N.B. I'll give the guys who developed aerogel a pass on this.

      -- gewg_

  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 27 2014, @11:06PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 27 2014, @11:06PM (#120705)

    I apologize for being off-topic, but I don't know where else to put this. I need to say that as a casual reader of SN, I've been seeing more and more bad modding lately. This bad modding is really starting to hurt my impression of this site, and to be honest, it makes me want to just stick to /.

    Here's a recent topic with lots of bad modding: https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/11/26/2146228 [soylentnews.org]

    It starts with this comment [soylentnews.org] which is -1, Flamebait. Maybe it's controversial, but it isn't flamebait. It explains its reasoning, and it's correct with the points it makes.

    Then there is this reply [soylentnews.org] and this reply [soylentnews.org], and this reply [soylentnews.org], which are all modded as off-topic. They obviously aren't off-topic, because they're responding to the content of the earlier comment. A comment doesn't have to be about the submission alone to be on-topic, especially when it's deep in a thread of discussion.

    There's another reply [soylentnews.org] in that discussion that's modded -1, Troll, but it's actually making a very good point. It's one of the better comments of all of the submission's comments.

    Here's another comment [soylentnews.org] modded -1, Troll, but it obviously isn't.

    It isn't just about bad downmodding, either. There's some obviously bad upmodding going on, too. This comment [soylentnews.org] is a great example of that. The subject is an obvious flame ("You appear to be blind"), and the body starts with a flame, too ("...or are simply a shill."), yet the comment is modded 1, Interesting. If any of the comments should be downmodded for being flamebait, that is it.

    I'm really disappointed that good discussion is consistently getting modded down, while total trash is getting modded up. That isn't the only submission I've seen that happen in, of course. It happens in lots of them, and it's starting to make this site much less appealing to me.

    I'm not going to pretend to have all of the answers. I don't think that meta-moderation is a fix, because it clearly hasn't worked at Slashdot. We see the same kind of bad modding there. The bad modding there is one of the things that made me come here.

    I'd almost rather see no modding at this point, to be honest. I have to browse at -1 these days, otherwise I miss lots of great comments that have been wrongly downmodded. The moderation system is currently so broken that I'm better off ignoring it completely by browsing at -1.

    There should be a sticky meta submission or something where we can discuss stuff about SN itself, too, instead of having to make off-topic threads like this one. I'd rather discuss this than just end up leaving this site completely. Things were going well here for a while, but they've gotten really bad lately.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday November 27 2014, @11:23PM

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday November 27 2014, @11:23PM (#120713) Homepage Journal

      We've actually got something worked up for that. No meta-moderation yet but significant enough regular moderation changes that the "echo chamber" effect should all but cease. Right now it's making the mailing list rounds to make sure I'm not completely on drugs and should hit the front page early December sometime for everyone's thoughts on the matter. If everything goes more or less well it should be live by early January.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 27 2014, @11:32PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 27 2014, @11:32PM (#120716)

        That is good to hear!

        Have you considered disabling downmodding until these changes are ready? That would at least help avoid bad downmodding, which I think is much more harmful than bad upmodding. And it would give more time for these upcoming mod changes to be thought through, discussed and implemented, so they don't get rushed.

        • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday November 27 2014, @11:50PM

          by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday November 27 2014, @11:50PM (#120725) Homepage Journal

          Thought about it but it'd be difficult to roll in any but the DB-only changes prior to the January release without rolling in all the changes we've made since the last point release. I'll have a discuss of it with PJ though and see where that leads.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 27 2014, @11:56PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 27 2014, @11:56PM (#120727)

        You should follow the guy's links before giving his mental illness validation.
        He's complaining about yet more systemd rando posts being modded offtopic.
        IMNHO those moderations were completely appropriate - those posts were not on topic.
        Clearly the AC thinks that systemd is ontopic for any and every story.
        Giving guys like him more of a voice is the kind of thing that can drive a site like Soy into irrelevancy.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @12:05AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @12:05AM (#120729)

          That story's title is '"We Want Linux" Say 300,000 edX Students'. So the submission is about Linux. Systemd is, whether we like it nor not, a very important part of Linux today. Any student learning about Linux will need to learn about systemd. So any discussion about systemd seems totally on-topic to me. No systemd comment could be legitimately modded down for that story. Systemd is inherently on-topic when discussing Linux.

          • (Score: 2) by frojack on Friday November 28 2014, @12:25AM

            by frojack (1554) on Friday November 28 2014, @12:25AM (#120740) Journal

            No systemd comment could be legitimately modded down for that story. Systemd is inherently on-topic when discussing Linux.

            I'm Now convinced more than ever that you were just complaining about how your own posts were modded.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @12:33AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @12:33AM (#120742)

              You know what? Believe whatever you want. It won't change the fact that you're wrong, however.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @12:38AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @12:38AM (#120743)

              Do you seriously expect us to believe that the same person posted the anti-systemd comments, the comments critical of the anti-systemd comments, the pro-FreeBSD comments, and the "gewg_" comments?

              You're just finding "conspiracies" everywhere lately.

          • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Friday November 28 2014, @08:29AM

            by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Friday November 28 2014, @08:29AM (#120793) Journal

            Rubbish. Using your logic, the thread that is about people wanting Linux could just as easily contain a discussion of Vi/Emacs, GCC and Clang, ASCII games that are poorly written, Samba4 or many, many other topics. They may all be worthy of discussion - but they should not be part of that thread unless they are the specific reason that people want to learn how to use Linux.

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday November 28 2014, @01:43AM

          by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Friday November 28 2014, @01:43AM (#120752) Homepage Journal

          His specific examples aside, he's not wrong in that we have a group of people who very much abuse the mod system looking for an echo chamber effect. That's not going to continue though.

          SoylentNews is people. Not SJW people, not Neo-Con people, not moderate people; all people who want a place here. The -1 Disagree garbage is going to end very soon.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @02:07AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @02:07AM (#120754)

            That is great to hear! The so-called "circle-jerk" effect, aided by broken moderation systems, has indeed ruined reddit and HN.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @02:36AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @02:36AM (#120760)

            His specific examples aside, he's not wrong in that we have a group of people who very much abuse the mod system looking for an echo chamber effect. That's not going to continue though.

            I've been here since the first week, I read every day at -1 and I've seen no abuse worthy of note. However, I have seen a handful of butthurt people complain about mods to their own posts and posts they ideologically support as in this case. I have also seen you complaining about it about off and on for months but I've never seen more than a handful of bad single point down-mods in any particular week. I expect your cure is going to be a lot worse than the disease.

            • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday November 28 2014, @03:09AM

              by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Friday November 28 2014, @03:09AM (#120764) Homepage Journal

              Oh ye of little faith. We're not Dice. Our primary goal has always been to give everyone, us included, a place to discuss relevant issues where our voices will be heard. Fixing a quite broken mod system is very much part of that. Putting the proposal out for community review sometime next week is also part of it.

              It's wise to be skeptical but it's just kind of sad to be a pessimist.

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @03:24AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @03:24AM (#120765)

                Since I have been looking for evidence of it being broken for months and have found none, it is not pessimism to expect any changes to be a net negative since there is no upside. What I expect to see is something that makes it more difficult to apply legitimate downmods to stuff like that systemd splooge or that those 24+ wigger crap-posts a couple of days ago

                As you believe there is a systemic problem, I hope you'll be presenting evidence beyond the anecdotal along with your proposal.

                • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday November 28 2014, @04:15AM

                  by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Friday November 28 2014, @04:15AM (#120770) Homepage Journal

                  As you believe there is a systemic problem, I hope you'll be presenting evidence beyond the anecdotal along with your proposal.

                  I absolutely will not. Nobody should be substituting my judgment for their own on what constitutes valid or invalid. Everyone should form their own opinion on this. If it doesn't agree with mine, well that's why we're posting the proposal, for discussion and debate.

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      • (Score: 3, Funny) by aristarchus on Friday November 28 2014, @06:06AM

        by aristarchus (2645) on Friday November 28 2014, @06:06AM (#120786) Journal

        How is that "making sure I'm not on drugs" thing working out?

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by frojack on Thursday November 27 2014, @11:27PM

      by frojack (1554) on Thursday November 27 2014, @11:27PM (#120714) Journal

      I apologize for being off-topic, but I don't know where else to put this.

      You should write this up as a story and submit it rather than post it as an admitted off-topic post and risk getting modded off topic yourself.

      You also have to realize that people who post as ACs get a automatic score of 0, so one single modding can send them strait to oblivion of -1.

      If you don't have enough confidence in your posted opinions such that you need to constantly run away from your own reputation by posting AC, you have and extra hill to climb just to get your post noticed. Its the price you pay for refusing to create a posting persona and wearing your posting history (bad, or good).

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 27 2014, @11:35PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 27 2014, @11:35PM (#120718)

        I can't speak for every other AC out there, but I post as an AC because I'm just too damn lazy to create yet another website account, and even if I did have one, I'd be too lazy to log in to it.

        Besides, I don't really care about somebody's posting history. It's the now that matters, not the past. I judge each comment individually, regardless of what else the author may have written in the past. So I don't even care what name is attached to a comment, really. It's the message that is most important, not the person who posted it.

    • (Score: 2) by frojack on Thursday November 27 2014, @11:36PM

      by frojack (1554) on Thursday November 27 2014, @11:36PM (#120719) Journal

      . I need to say that as a casual reader of SN,

      I've also noticed a trend in your complaints. You seem only to rush to the defense of posts made by ACs.
      Is it perhaps that you are complaining about how people modded YOUR POSTS?

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 27 2014, @11:43PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 27 2014, @11:43PM (#120721)

        I'm not certain how you could have noticed a trend. That was my first comment here since I became a reader some months ago. I didn't intend to choose only comments posted by Anonymous Coward. I just chose some examples from the submission I was reading at the time, when I realized how disruptive the bad modding was getting.

        • (Score: 2) by frojack on Friday November 28 2014, @12:20AM

          by frojack (1554) on Friday November 28 2014, @12:20AM (#120735) Journal

          I'm not certain how you could have noticed a trend.

          I noticed the trend by following every single one of your links.

          You SAY it was your first post, but I've seen your name attached to all manor of scurrilous name calling posts, and racist rants. Anyone who wants to run away from their reputation. Then when you rush to the defense of ONLY ACs,
          I have to assume the worst.

          Also I'm not buying your Too Lazy to log in excuse either. You log in once, and tell your browser to remember it.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @12:22AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @12:22AM (#120737)

            You do realize that "Anonymous Coward" is used by many different people, right?

            • (Score: 2) by frojack on Friday November 28 2014, @12:38AM

              by frojack (1554) on Friday November 28 2014, @12:38AM (#120744) Journal

              You do realize that "Anonymous Coward" is used by many different people, right?

              Sigh.... Whoosh!
              No shit Sherlock.

              But thanks for proving once again why ACs should be banned.

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @12:40AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @12:40AM (#120745)

                Why are you such an angry and spiteful person?

          • (Score: 1) by monster on Friday November 28 2014, @04:22PM

            by monster (1260) on Friday November 28 2014, @04:22PM (#120871) Journal

            Also I'm not buying your Too Lazy to log in excuse either.

            Pairing "Too lazy to log in" with "Writing a large tirade about the unfairness of moderations" is also strange.

    • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Thursday November 27 2014, @11:43PM

      by kaszz (4211) on Thursday November 27 2014, @11:43PM (#120723) Journal

      You are not the only one to find too many moderations being not being thought through and objective. It's not a giant problem, but it needs to be shaped up.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 27 2014, @11:53PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 27 2014, @11:53PM (#120726)

      Someone with mod points marked AC Frosty Piss' post as Flamebait because it was.
      Anonymous Couuard explained that the subject was valid but the rest of the prose was purposely incendiary without offering offsetting illumination.

      No one with mod points disagreed with those assessments.
      If you disagree with current moderation so much that it has you posting about it, sign up for an account and get involved with the process.

      ...and as frojack has pointed out, it appears that you are whining about moderation of your own posts.

      .
      I'm better off ignoring [the moderation system] completely by browsing at -1

      I recommend doing exactly that.
      I'm able to filter content rather well with my wetware.
      Give it a try yourself.

      gewg_ (whose karma always remains at zero)

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 27 2014, @11:43PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 27 2014, @11:43PM (#120722)

    How the fuck can you say that keeping a building cooler somehow isn't a smart idea? This is just dumb, it's like trying to find ANYTHING controversial for a news topic. Fuck that. The only reason I started coming here was because /. was bitch to DICE, but if the admins dont start adding decent content to this site, why come here at all?

    • (Score: 1) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @12:04AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @12:04AM (#120728)

      > How the fuck can you say that keeping a building cooler somehow isn't a smart idea?

      That is 100% correct. It is frojack manufacturing a false controversy - the study about white roofs does not address the waste heat produced in the process of mechanically cooling the buildings. He's conflated the theory that "heat islands" directly cause global warming with the idea that white roofs indirectly reduce global warming by requiring less energy consumption.

      > if the admins dont start adding decent content to this site, why come here at all?

      To submit your own decent content. If you want to sit around whining, good riddance.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @12:09AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @12:09AM (#120731)

        What's the point of submitting good content if it just sits there in the queue? The The Engineering Management Practices Used By Major Linux Distros When Adopting Systemd [soylentnews.org] submission is a good example of this. It was submitted on Nov. 16! It's all about technology and programming. But it has been sitting there for over 10 days now.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @12:20AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @12:20AM (#120736)

          > What's the point of submitting good content if it just sits there in the queue?
          > The [yet another systemd rant] submission is a good example of this.

          No it isn't.

          • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @10:41AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @10:41AM (#120806)

            Now look here. I came here for good argument.

        • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday November 28 2014, @01:32AM

          by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Friday November 28 2014, @01:32AM (#120750) Homepage Journal

          Preface: I know exactly as much about editing as anyone who regularly sits in IRC does, which is to say not a lot.

          The eds have become vocally tired of systemd stories unless they offer something new and significant enough to overcome the systemd story stigma; so have the users. That said, that particular story hasn't been rejected and isn't time sensitive so they may be saving it for when we haven't had a systemd flamefest in long enough that it might get read rather than skimmed and flamewared. I'll advise you like my writer friends advised me when I thought I might do that: don't take rejection personally.

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        • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Friday November 28 2014, @09:01AM

          by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Friday November 28 2014, @09:01AM (#120795) Journal

          The story you are talking about is based entirely on a discussion [debian.org] in the Debian mailing lists about the systemd débâcle. Although, IMHO, it is absolutely correct, it explains what one person thinks should have happened but did not. I, personally, agree 100% with it but it offers nothing new to the discussion. We all know, assuming you are a regular reader here, how systemd should have been handled - but it wasn't. We have discussed how this came about many times. We have listed and discussed each of the problems that it describes - either individually or all together. It is a well written piece which states a sound argument against what is happening - but it offers nothing new to us. Internal to Debian it might provoke a rethink or at least acknowledgement that this is the worst possible thing that they could have done to their community. What I want to discuss is the next stage - what Debian are doing to rectify the problem. It may be that they decide to continue on the same path as they are today. There is nothing for us to discuss other than to wave goodbye to what once was a leading distro. What I am waiting for is the next stage to be announced and then there might be something worth discussing.

          As I have stated elsewhere, this site is not anti-Debian or anti-DebianDevs. Despite our own personal views we try to adopt a reasonable position on any topic under discussion. Publishing that particular story would, in my view, only lead to yet another article that would be super-critical of Debian or the people that support and maintain it. That is not what SN is about. We are certainly not the vehicle for a one-man crusade against any particular organisation, OS or product. If anyone has something new to offer the discussion, submit it as a story in its own right - not tag it on to another thread. There doesn't have to be a link to an external article. Original thought is as welcome, if not more so, than repeating stories that have originated elsewhere. The submission is much more difficult to write but more rewarding when published. Finally, if you submit a story as Anonymous Coward, it has extra hurdles to overcome before it is even considered. Putting your name to something gives it a head start.

          Other editors may disagree with me and decide to publish the story anyway. However, one of the golden rules for contributing to SN (and other similar sites) is - 'Don't take rejection personally'. I have had about 10% of my stories rejected by other editors here: we cannot submit, edit and release our own stories.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @12:08AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @12:08AM (#120730)

      This is where you would link to YOUR patent, showing how you licked the engineering problem -better- and -EARLIER-.

      Extra points for a link to the shopping cart page on the site of your startup which has the product your brilliance available off the shelf.

      .
      The previous AC responder also has an excellent suggestion.
      http://soylentnews.org/submit.pl [soylentnews.org]

      -- gewg_

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @12:13AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @12:13AM (#120732)

        If you don't mind me asking, why are your comments always so negative and combative? I've seen a few of them, and they're consistently full of anger.

        And it's perfectly acceptable for somebody to criticize or point out flaws with something, even if they couldn't necessarily do any better themselves. For example, it doesn't matter that I can't throw a football 95 yards with pinpoint accuracy. If a quarterback makes a bad throw, as a football spectator I'm totally correct when I call it out as a bad throw.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @12:23AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @12:23AM (#120738)

          > If you don't mind me asking, why are your comments always so negative and combative?

          They aren't. You have confirmation bias.
          In this case, the OP was dripping with vitriol, getting what he gives is not noteworthy.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @12:27AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @12:27AM (#120741)

            False allegations of "confirmation bias"? You're at the wrong site, sir. You should be over at Hacker News [ycombinator.com].

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @02:31AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @02:31AM (#120759)

              False denials of "confirmation bias"? You're at the wrong site, sir. You should be over at Hacker News.

  • (Score: 2) by bradley13 on Friday November 28 2014, @06:36AM

    by bradley13 (3053) on Friday November 28 2014, @06:36AM (#120789) Homepage Journal

    The idea that a building could cool itself to 5°C below ambient just by sitting there - wow, that's cool

    Lame justification in TFS. I wish people - the media, whoever - would stop justifying everything based on global warming. Example from TFS: "reflecting roofs may not be helpful in fighting global warming" - there are so many things wrong with that statement (and the study) that I won't even start. Let me just point out that the technology being discussed also relies on reflection, so this comment (and the study) are completely irrelevant here.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @02:05PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @02:05PM (#120834)

    this might also mean that we can condense water vapor from air?
    you might want to wikipedia "air well (condenser)".

    obviously we need money but if we can get it for free then there's no business model thus not much
    interest in research and "liberation of information" concerning "Air wells" ...

    drip-drop goes the roof : ]

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @02:16PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @02:16PM (#120837)

      I wonder if this temperature difference is sufficient to run a heat engine on it.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @07:21PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @07:21PM (#120927)

    engineer's --> engineers

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    Concerning the disagreeing study mentioned, the actually relevant question is which heats the atmosphere even more. Of course that's a pretty tricky question to answer. (DIdn't read the actual study, just going by the summary here.)