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posted by LaminatorX on Sunday November 30 2014, @10:42AM   Printer-friendly
from the Medea-literacy dept.

The Greek legend of Jason and his Argonauts may have a grain of truth to it, as well as more than a few grains of gold.

According to story on 1ClickNews, Scientists from Ilia State University, Georgia, claim that villagers in the Svaneti region of modern Georgia used fleece to help them extract gold and some still do it today.

Ancient villagers used sheepskins to line stream beds in the Svaneti region of the Southern Caucasus in northwest Georgia. Gold flakes washing from mountain streams became ingrained on the fleeces, which scientists believe led to the rise of the myth surrounding the Golden Fleece.

The technique is not dissimilar to small scale placer miners where the sluice box is lined with burlap to entrap the fine flake gold in the gravel.

Geological surveys by Dr Okrostsvaridze and his team reveal that gold deposits in many areas that were historically mined have been replenished as streams have continued to wash them down the mountainsides, and some locals still use traditional techniques to obtain gold from the rivers in the area.

They claim that villagers that were part of the wealthy Kingdom of Colchis, which existed from the sixth to the first centuries BC, used sheepskin to capture gold from mountain streams in the area.

The fleece was used to line the bottom of the sandy stream beds, trapping any tiny grains of gold that built up there. The technique is a variation on panning used elsewhere in the world.

This, they say, would have lead to sheepskins that were imprinted with flakes of gold and could have given rise to stories of a golden fleece.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by zocalo on Sunday November 30 2014, @11:36AM

    by zocalo (302) on Sunday November 30 2014, @11:36AM (#121252)
    Must be a slow news day in media land - this idea has been knocking around for years now - here's a similar article from 2012 [georgiaabout.com], and another referencing descriptions of the techniques [goldavenue.com] being used in the area by Roman historian Appian and the Georgian Academy of Sciences that was authored in 1946. Given that the local use of this technique is the most often cited reason for why archaelogists have placed ancient Colchis in modern Georgia for decades, I guess it's kind of like pitching Machu Pichu as a "lost" city despite the locals being well aware of its existance all along - it's good for tourism.

    Alternatively, while I was looking the original articles via Google I found an essentially word for word copy [dailymail.co.uk] of the linked story over at the Daily Mail. If that was the original version and it was reposted by 1ClickNews, then given the Mail's reputation for not letting fact checking and background research get in the way of a good story then that might explain it too.
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    • (Score: 2) by wonkey_monkey on Sunday November 30 2014, @01:39PM

      by wonkey_monkey (279) on Sunday November 30 2014, @01:39PM (#121268) Homepage

      It also came up in an old episode of QI (series J, they're now on series L) which I coincidentally happened to watch last night.

      When the question was first asked - why would a sheep be useful to a gold miner? - the answer from Richard Coles (a Reverend, no less) was that it could get lonely on them prairies.

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      • (Score: 1) by DNied on Sunday November 30 2014, @07:06PM

        by DNied (3409) on Sunday November 30 2014, @07:06PM (#121302)

        It also came up in an old episode of QI (series J, they're now on series L) which I coincidentally happened to watch last night.

        OK, now it's getting a bit spooky. As I wrote in my message below, I too happened to watch a TV program relating this very stuff yesterday night. Mine was a documentary on Italian state TV, though.

        Either yesterday was international golden fleece day or we are seeing some pretty unlikely coincidence here.

        • (Score: 2) by frojack on Sunday November 30 2014, @09:20PM

          by frojack (1554) on Sunday November 30 2014, @09:20PM (#121322) Journal

          Or it is possible that the issue has been finally studied by an accredited university and all of the media outlets are trotting out their catalog of poorly researched speculation programs that have been languishing on the shelves for years. I see this a LOT on american TV. Up coming issues or events are preceded by a crescendo of reruns of old movies or "conspiracy documentaries".

          The study in the TFS was actually published some months ago in a paywalled journal, (which I couldn't be bothered to link to). It took it 6 months to find its way into a link-able source.

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          • (Score: 2) by zocalo on Sunday November 30 2014, @11:57PM

            by zocalo (302) on Sunday November 30 2014, @11:57PM (#121358)
            You're probably right about the media build-up, but not on the "finally studied" bit. Quoting from my second link above:

            And a report for the Georgian Academy of Sciences in 1946 said geologists were finding 5.3 grams (0.17 troy oz) of gold per one tonne (32,150 troy oz) of sand in the rivers. The description of recovery could have been written three thousand years ago. "Gold is obtained by means of sheepskins. A sheepskin, stretched over a board or flattened in some way, was placed in the river, fixing it so as not to be carried away by the stream, with the fleece on the upper side. The soaked fleece trapped the gold particles. After some time the skin was withdrawn and spread on the ground to dry; the dried skin was beaten to shake out the grains of gold."

            There's actually nothing new at all in this latest research that I can see, so it looks more like just another case of researchers not realising that someone else had already done the work (from the same small country, no less!) and people who were also unaware erroneously believing that it's a new discovery. Not the first time that's happened, and certainly not going to be the last...

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    • (Score: 1) by DNied on Sunday November 30 2014, @06:58PM

      by DNied (3409) on Sunday November 30 2014, @06:58PM (#121301)

      In fact, I've heard this very hypotesis recounted yesterday night on TV. It was a documentary about ancient Greece, and the segment on the golden fleece's origin was actually taken from an older documentary, as I had already seen it months (or maybe years) ago.

      Old news, but incredible coincidence.

  • (Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Sunday November 30 2014, @03:00PM

    by bzipitidoo (4388) on Sunday November 30 2014, @03:00PM (#121277) Journal

    Sounds similar to an explanation of the legends of pulling the sword from the stone. The idea is that drawing a sword from stone is actually a reference to smelting. I gather that iron smelting was an art that was briefly lost when Rome fell.

  • (Score: 1) by Mad_Chef_Red on Sunday November 30 2014, @07:38PM

    by Mad_Chef_Red (4570) on Sunday November 30 2014, @07:38PM (#121304)

    I read about this in an Osbourne primer on mining in the late 80/early 90s. And later in high school my former mining geologist science teacher confirmed the theory and made the mandatory joke about lonely miners and sheep.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 30 2014, @11:10PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 30 2014, @11:10PM (#121348)

      publish on the internet or it didn't happen

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 01 2014, @07:07PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 01 2014, @07:07PM (#121601)

    The modern equivalent is known as "Miner's Moss"

    http://www.blackcatmining.com/mining-equipment/miners-moss.cfm [blackcatmining.com]

    "Miner's Moss, has endless loops of rubber filaments perfect for catching and holding fine gold and heavy black sands. It loads up with fine heavies like a sponge and cleans up with a bit of vigorous stretching in a clean up tub full of water."

    I am not affiliated with the company linked, nor do I play a miner on television.