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posted by LaminatorX on Monday December 08 2014, @12:51PM   Printer-friendly
from the trust-no-one dept.

In June 2010, the FBI famously broke a ring of eleven Russian intelligence operatives (including one in Cyprus) who were in "deep cover" - not necessarily participating in a short-term mission, but rather attempting to blend into American society and to obtain positions close to people in power wherever possible. Bombshell redhead (fake, as it turns out) Anna Chapman, who was working as a Manhattan real estate agent when she was arrested, quickly became the public face of the group, capturing the world's attention. All ten USA-based operatives pleaded guilty; following a spy swap negotiated between the US and Russian governments, the failed spies were given a hero's welcome when they returned to Russia.

Three years later, after Edward Snowden fled the USA, Chapman tweeted a marriage proposal:

Anna @ChapmanAnna

Snowden, will you marry me?!

But a Russian defector has just revealed that Chapman's proposal wasn't from the heart after all, but rather was ordered by her Russian spy bosses, presumably at SVR.

For those who wonder why this news would be of interest to readers of this site (other than the Snowden/NSA angle), the following video provides more context.

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  • (Score: 2) by VLM on Monday December 08 2014, @01:15PM

    by VLM (445) on Monday December 08 2014, @01:15PM (#123710)

    real estate agent

    Its a good cover, because half of them are double agents anyway.

    (The joke is they're paid by commission, a fraction of sales price, so even a supposed "buyers agent" has a financial goal of getting the sucker to pay as much as possible. Real estate is pretty crooked business at best case, aside from Russian spies.)

    More seriously its a really good cover because they're expected to travel around to weird buildings and meet people constantly. Just because the articles in public claim she never really did anything, doesn't mean that she wasn't mixmastering dead drops on a daily basis, just never got caught and its not like she has anything to gain by admitting it.

    • (Score: 1) by Bill Evans on Monday December 08 2014, @03:57PM

      by Bill Evans (1094) on Monday December 08 2014, @03:57PM (#123753) Homepage

      [E]ven a supposed "buyers agent" has a financial goal of getting the sucker to pay as much as possible.

      It's more complicated than that. A buyer's agent has incentive to maximize an offer amount not only to increase his commission, but also to increase the likelihood that the seller will accept the offer, allowing the buyer's agent to move on to other matters. In other words, minimize turnover time.

      The seller's agent, on the other hand, may wish to maximize the asking price, just to entice a potential seller into a contract with that agent; but if that seller's agent has enough deals cooking at the same time, he will then want (contrary to his client's interest, perhaps) to persuade the seller to accept a lowball offer, just so the agent can grab that commission and pivot to working his other deals and generating new ones. In other words, minimize turnover time.

      Real estate is pretty crooked business at best case[.].

      Probably true most of the time. Though when I bought this house, I adopted the seller's agent as my agent also. When she heard my offering price (over the asking price), she persuaded me to look around at the work that needed to be done on the house and maybe lower my offer, which I did, by $10,000. But this is a small town, with long memories, and that's how things are done here.

      • (Score: 2) by VLM on Monday December 08 2014, @04:49PM

        by VLM (445) on Monday December 08 2014, @04:49PM (#123769)

        But this is a small town, with long memories, and that's how things are done here.

        That's not how most of the world does it. Before I bought my first house I researched the situation and when our real estate agent tried to pull the old "there's multiple offers" on me, on a listing that was like two months old, I laughed at her. She was pissed.

        I was under intense time pressure due to a lease situation but I was smart enough not to tell her that. She was pissed off about that when she later found out.

  • (Score: 2) by wonkey_monkey on Monday December 08 2014, @01:25PM

    by wonkey_monkey (279) on Monday December 08 2014, @01:25PM (#123712) Homepage

    tweeted a marriage proposal... wasn't from the heart after all

    You don't say.

    For those who wonder why this news would be of interest to readers of this site (other than the Snowden/NSA angle), the following video provides more context.

    Mildly amusing, but the place for gags is in the comments.

    If the only reason you can come up with as to why this news would be of interest to readers of this site is that HahaLookJamesBond, then maybe it's not that newsworthy after all.

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    • (Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Monday December 08 2014, @04:27PM

      by hemocyanin (186) on Monday December 08 2014, @04:27PM (#123764) Journal

      I don't want to watch the video. Can you summarize for us what should have been summarized in TFS?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 08 2014, @05:19PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 08 2014, @05:19PM (#123783)

        It's a couple of Bond Girls rubbing themselves with Crisco and wrestling.

      • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday December 08 2014, @07:05PM

        by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Monday December 08 2014, @07:05PM (#123815) Homepage
        Being a nerd, I once attended a BAAS (British Association for the Advancement of Science) conference, and one of the invited speakers was Maurice Binder. I.e. the old perv (and that's not judgemental, simply a noun phrase consisting of 2 demonstrable facts) behind the James Bond title sequences (such as the above). I was hoping he'd have tales of how he had to use ground-breaking cinematographic and compositing techniques to get the almost silhouettes. He didn't. Apparently, pretty much all he had to do was film naked females all day long.

        So there is precedent for including gratuitous titty^H^Hilation to keep the nerds happy. Doesn't make it right, of course.
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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday December 08 2014, @01:25PM

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday December 08 2014, @01:25PM (#123713) Journal
    I suspect this was an attempt to put pressure on the US to allow Snowden's girlfriend to travel to Russia. It would have been a subtle way to remind US intelligence that Russia has plenty of honeypots, should the actual girlfriend remain unavailable to Snowden.
    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by jcross on Monday December 08 2014, @02:22PM

      by jcross (4009) on Monday December 08 2014, @02:22PM (#123724)

      I don't think so, because according to the documentary Citizenfour, his girlfriend is already living with him in Moscow.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 08 2014, @05:08PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 08 2014, @05:08PM (#123775)

        The "proposal" was a long time ago. How long has the GF been there?

        Either way, when the "proposal" was made it was pretty clearly just a publicity tweet from a celebrity.
        No one with experience of the modern world would take it as anything more than that.

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday December 08 2014, @11:20PM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday December 08 2014, @11:20PM (#123925) Journal

          No one with experience of the modern world would take it as anything more than that.

          Except the people who are paid to take such things seriously.

  • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Monday December 08 2014, @02:35PM

    by kaszz (4211) on Monday December 08 2014, @02:35PM (#123728) Journal

    So why is this interesting to the SN crowd and what is the context ..?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 08 2014, @05:26PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 08 2014, @05:26PM (#123784)

      Because Anna is fscking hot , you homo.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 08 2014, @05:51PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 08 2014, @05:51PM (#123795)

        Shut up Ethanol.

        • (Score: 2, Informative) by Ethanol-fueled on Monday December 08 2014, @06:57PM

          by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Monday December 08 2014, @06:57PM (#123810) Homepage

          If that were me, I would have said, "Fucking." So fuck you, you fucking fuck.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 08 2014, @08:12PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 08 2014, @08:12PM (#123840)

            It was a pre-emptive shut up. Didn't work though.

            • (Score: 2) by jimshatt on Monday December 08 2014, @09:31PM

              by jimshatt (978) on Monday December 08 2014, @09:31PM (#123873) Journal
              You should have known. Painful lesson, that one.
    • (Score: 3, Funny) by Bot on Monday December 08 2014, @06:37PM

      by Bot (3902) on Monday December 08 2014, @06:37PM (#123807) Journal

      It's useful. I didn't know marriage proposals existed.

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      • (Score: 2) by rts008 on Tuesday December 09 2014, @05:15AM

        by rts008 (3001) on Tuesday December 09 2014, @05:15AM (#124078)

        It's a trap!!!

        You were better off oblivious.

        There is a fix though...

        Go read youtube comments for an hour, and you will want to become a recluse/hermit/solitary confinement/etc...

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 08 2014, @02:39PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 08 2014, @02:39PM (#123732)

    I'll tell you what the context is. It's that the queue is low, this is one lamx liked the best. Or maybe this is the sort lamx likes anyways.

    That's the context.

    • (Score: 2) by isostatic on Monday December 08 2014, @11:34PM

      by isostatic (365) on Monday December 08 2014, @11:34PM (#123932) Journal

      I see, if only there was the option of NOT POSTING crap like this or the minimum wage one, and instead WAITING FOR SOMETHING APPROPIATE

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 09 2014, @02:54AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 09 2014, @02:54AM (#124026)

        That would require editorial discretion.

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Phoenix666 on Monday December 08 2014, @07:14PM

    by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday December 08 2014, @07:14PM (#123819) Journal

    I remember seeing a picture of her. She was quite attractive. At least the Russians made Snowden a good offer.

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    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by arslan on Monday December 08 2014, @09:42PM

      by arslan (3462) on Monday December 08 2014, @09:42PM (#123880)

      Exactly.. at least its not una-brow..

  • (Score: 2) by PinkyGigglebrain on Monday December 08 2014, @11:02PM

    by PinkyGigglebrain (4458) on Monday December 08 2014, @11:02PM (#123915)

    considering that it would only take a few extra moments to explain why this story is of any interest at all to the SN crowd without lining to a video clip I have to ask myself if the whole point of this story and summary was to drive views to the youtube clip.

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