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posted by LaminatorX on Thursday December 11 2014, @11:59PM   Printer-friendly
from the port-in-the-storm dept.

After the recent launch of Bittorent Sync and the Bittorent Bleep, Bittorent Inc. is reportedly working on a distributed web browser called Maelstrom.

The project that aims to "power a new way for web content to be published, accessed and consumed" is in alpha and only accessible with an invite.

While very interesting, this project raises many questions. How is this "distributed web browser" made? Is the DNS lookup distributed among users too? Is this going to become a new protocol and is it going to be open?

Sadly, if you're not on the alpha there's not much you can deduce from the little blurb on their blog.

Is anyone on Soylent News on the alpha yet? Anyone tried to do a bit of tinkering to see how it works?

The full announcement available here. Additional coverage can be found here and here.

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  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 12 2014, @12:08AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 12 2014, @12:08AM (#125316)

    I just signed up as an alpha tester. We'll see if I'm one of the chosen few, and if so what the bits have in store via Maelstrom.

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by doublerot13 on Friday December 12 2014, @12:32AM

    by doublerot13 (4497) on Friday December 12 2014, @12:32AM (#125325)

    Everything Bittorrent does is proprietary.

    I don't think we need the net to be any less open.

    • (Score: 2) by Magic Oddball on Friday December 12 2014, @01:43AM

      by Magic Oddball (3847) on Friday December 12 2014, @01:43AM (#125347) Journal

      According to the comments, it's also not OS-agnostic — I can't find any pages saying which are included, but Linux isn't one of them as of the alpha release.

    • (Score: 4, Informative) by frojack on Friday December 12 2014, @01:50AM

      by frojack (1554) on Friday December 12 2014, @01:50AM (#125348) Journal

      Their software is proprietary, but the protocol isn't.

      The DHT technology would be a great way to bypass all this search engine take-down orders and domain name seizing, but
      other than that, I'm hard pressed to see how it would work.

      In other news, some of the original Skype guys are getting the band back together [morningledger.com] (somewhat). But they seem to be wasting their talent on Yet Another Messaging App.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 12 2014, @06:55AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 12 2014, @06:55AM (#125391)

        Sounds like you are proposing Freenet. Its 14 years old and still active. Just use FProxy: run freenet, and point your browser at it and you get a nice DHT based world wide web in all its censor resistance distributed HTML glory. I haven't used it, but it defiantly already exists.

        • (Score: 2) by frojack on Friday December 12 2014, @07:01AM

          by frojack (1554) on Friday December 12 2014, @07:01AM (#125393) Journal

          defiantly already exists.

          Its been giving the authorities the finger for years!

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          • (Score: 2) by pnkwarhall on Saturday December 13 2014, @12:00AM

            by pnkwarhall (4558) on Saturday December 13 2014, @12:00AM (#125640)

            Its been giving the authorities the finger for years!

            veeeeeeeery slowly.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 12 2014, @02:11AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 12 2014, @02:11AM (#125351)

      GPL or GTFO [fossforce.com]

      -- gewg_

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 12 2014, @09:13AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 12 2014, @09:13AM (#125416)

      The protocol is what matters you dunkass.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 12 2014, @02:26PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 12 2014, @02:26PM (#125454)

      BitTorrent the company only distributed binaries - no sources - and only for Mac OS X and Windows.

      Their original python code is no longer found on the bittorrent.com site.

      Yet last time I looked they still had a sourceforge account, that linked to bittorrent.com.

      Their account should be closed for TOS violation.

  • (Score: 2) by M. Baranczak on Friday December 12 2014, @01:14AM

    by M. Baranczak (1673) on Friday December 12 2014, @01:14AM (#125334)

    How is this "distributed web browser" made?

    I don't know. Maybe something like Freenet? (A little-known fact: in Polish, the same word means both "free" and "slow". Which makes me suspect that there's a team of Polish developers on the Freenet project.)

    Is this going to become a new protocol and is it going to be open?

    If it's not open, it won't ever get off the ground. So I'm assuming yes.

    • (Score: 1) by jbruchon on Friday December 12 2014, @01:23AM

      by jbruchon (4473) on Friday December 12 2014, @01:23AM (#125337) Homepage

      From what I've heard it's just a browser with BitTorrent integration features (i.e. video streaming) hacked into it somehow. I'm working on something like Freenet but I'm keeping quiet on the details until I get it all figured out and have non-vapor code to show for it.

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    • (Score: 2) by frojack on Friday December 12 2014, @05:55AM

      by frojack (1554) on Friday December 12 2014, @05:55AM (#125386) Journal

      A little-known fact: in Polish, the same word means both "free" and "slow"

      Not really: https://translate.google.com/?hl=en#pl/en/powolne%20wolne [google.com]

      powolne = slow
      wolne = free

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      • (Score: 3, Informative) by M. Baranczak on Friday December 12 2014, @02:33PM

        by M. Baranczak (1673) on Friday December 12 2014, @02:33PM (#125457)

        Son, I've been speaking Polish since birth. Please don't use Google fucking Translate to lecture me.

        "Powolne" means "slow".
        "Wolne" means either "slow" or "free".

        • (Score: 2) by Geotti on Friday December 12 2014, @04:03PM

          by Geotti (1146) on Friday December 12 2014, @04:03PM (#125492) Journal

          I've been speaking Polish since birth

          Wow! Why haven't I heard about you yet? You're quite unique if this is true.

          • (Score: 2) by M. Baranczak on Saturday December 13 2014, @01:59AM

            by M. Baranczak (1673) on Saturday December 13 2014, @01:59AM (#125670)

            Wow! Why haven't I heard about you yet?

            I'm world-famous in Poland.

            • (Score: 2) by Geotti on Sunday December 14 2014, @11:02PM

              by Geotti (1146) on Sunday December 14 2014, @11:02PM (#126025) Journal

              Just keepin' it real, yo!

    • (Score: 2) by zocalo on Friday December 12 2014, @09:55AM

      by zocalo (302) on Friday December 12 2014, @09:55AM (#125418)
      I've been giving that a little thought since this was announced. It's obviously useless for dynamic content (unless they are seriously planning on distributing the underlying DB that generates the content), so my best guess is that it's a CDN replacement for static content. If so that basically just needs the browser to pick up on the fact that it needs to use the BT protocol rather than HTTP to fetch the file, and to point it at the relevent swarm. You could do that via a number of means, but the most likely would seem to be replacing the "http" part of a URL with something else like "btcdn" or using a pseudo TLD approach like tor's .onion (.magnet?). That would also make it fairly easy to for website designers to provide a fallback to traditional approaches if the browser didn't support it, which would be crucial if this is going to take off and achieve any form of widespread adoption.
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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 12 2014, @02:18AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 12 2014, @02:18AM (#125353)

    Will one still have DMCA takedown requests for a website that has distributed servers?

    I expect it will. The BitTorrent company (as opposed to the BitTorrent protocol) is in tight with the MAFIAA. I don't think it would bite the movie studios that feed it.

  • (Score: 2) by zeigerpuppy on Friday December 12 2014, @06:56AM

    by zeigerpuppy (1298) on Friday December 12 2014, @06:56AM (#125392)

    Not sure if this will be the right tech but distributed DNS would be very useful

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 12 2014, @12:33PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 12 2014, @12:33PM (#125434)

    Like some other of their ventures this will most likely remain closed source, and thus ultimately worthless.

  • (Score: 1) by idetuxs on Saturday December 13 2014, @08:10AM

    by idetuxs (2990) on Saturday December 13 2014, @08:10AM (#125721)

    I signed for the alpha tester of Bittorrent Bleep some time ago, later a mail came in and said I could try it. The release was only available to Windows. WTF, I don't use Windows I thought, why they didn't specify it before?

    Just checked their web page and still only available to Windows. That's so odd, an educated guess would be that a huge cap of the torrent (or related torrent programs) market reside on Linux users.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 13 2014, @07:56PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 13 2014, @07:56PM (#125810)

      Some folks have run the Windoze port of Firefox via WINE in order to get Silverlight working, in turn to get Netflix running.

      There's one guy I know of who has made very sure his app is always WINE-compatible and has for over a decade. [google.com]
      In the process, his app became the industry standard.

      -- gewg_