from the just-thought...-you-were-a-guy. dept.
https://www.trinitydesktop.org/newsentry.php?entry=2014.12.16
The Trinity Desktop Environment (TDE) development team is pleased to announce the immediate availability of the new TDE R14.0.0 release. The Trinity Desktop Environment is a complete software desktop environment designed for Unix-like operating systems, intended for computer users preferring a traditional desktop model, and is free/libre software.
Unlike previous releases TDE R14.0.0 has been in development for over two years. This extended development period has allowed us to create a better, more stable and more feature-rich product than previous TDE releases. R14 is brimming with new features, such as a new hardware manager based on udev (HAL is no longer required), full network-manager 0.9 support, a brand new compositor (compton), built-in threading support, and much more!
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 17 2014, @11:00AM
This is a fork of KDE 3.
(That was hinted at in the very next sentence of TFA and explained thoroughly farther down the page.)
If you have warm memories of KDE 3.x (and/or an aversion to some aspect of KDE 4.x), maybe Trinity will be just the ticket.
Its heft is attractive compared to some other DEs.
http://l3net.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/cmp-all4.png [wordpress.com]
(From Page 3 of 3.) [wordpress.com]
Nitpick to Trinity guys and others: Putting dots in numerical things like versions makes them difficult to Google when you don't know exactly what you're looking for.
-- gewg_
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Marand on Wednesday December 17 2014, @12:03PM
If you have warm memories of KDE 3.x (and/or an aversion to some aspect of KDE 4.x), maybe Trinity will be just the ticket.
As much as I liked KDE 3.5 -- it's the DE that finally pulled me away from Window Maker -- I can't see myself going back to it in any form. Maybe it's because I followed Debian's releases, which didn't switch to KDE4 until 4.2 or 4.3, so I missed the initial KDE4 pain that made people hate it, but I really like what they did with KDE4.
That's not just speculation, either. Some time after I'd switched to KDE4, I booted a laptop that still had 3.5 on it to do updates, and it just didn't seem right any more. It still had things that made me like KDE (like the KIOslaves), but it was missing just as much. It's easy to miss all the little things that got added or polished when you use it every day, but you notice them once they're gone.
I'm more likely to use Window Maker or notion (a static tiling WM I like that only uses ~5MB of RAM) in any situation where I don't want to use KDE4. If the system is so resource-constrained that I can't make KDE work on it, I'm going to want something smaller than Trinity.
I don't begrudge them working on it, though. KDE 3.5 was great for the time and there are definitely worse projects to want to keep alive. I'd definitely use it before GNOME 3 ;)
Its heft is attractive compared to some other DEs.
http://l3net.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/cmp-all4.png [wordpress.com]
(From Page 3 of 3.)
I don't normally like to complain about charts, but wow, that chart is incredibly misleading. Bad enough that I had to dig into the 3 pages of article just to put any useful meaning to the numbers because they aren't explained on the chart itself, but then it turns out it's comparing the memory use of DEs at full-fat, including any background apps they're set to run by default, to window managers that don't provide much (if anything) beyond window management. (Plus it's Ubuntu, so it's probably defaulting to extra stuff for newbie-convenience on the most common DEs.)
That's not even remotely a fair comparison, because if you decide you want any of those extra features when using one of the non-DEs , you're going to have to run a program to do the same job, just like you do with the DE, and the RAM use goes up. Wireless, bluetooth, clipboard manager, etc. apps are all going to use RAM if you decide you want them, just like the DE. Likewise, if you don't need a feature, you can usually disable it with a DE.
If the chart were clearly labeled and the coloured bars showing memory use were split into "window manager" and "other DE components" it would have been more useful because you could compare apples to apples while also seeing how much overhead a default DE adds.
(Score: 2) by efitton on Wednesday December 17 2014, @03:02PM
Kasbar alone is enough for me to consider it. The ability to change window decorations from the taskbar was frankly awesome and I miss it. The next DE/Window Manger which implements both a quick launch area and something like kasbar will be getting me as a user. Just put Cinnamon on a few days ago after years away from Linux (and everything about KDE 4 was painful for me) and it looks good so far. But still no Kasbar.
(Score: 2) by Marand on Thursday December 18 2014, @02:47AM
I never used kasbar, so I tried looking up screenshots and features. Looked like windowmaker and, except for quick window decoration swapping, most of the listed features seem to be available elsewhere in some form. You can probably brew up something that covers that with a little scripting, some launcher shortcuts, and a window manager that can be controlled in some way from the command line. Might be worth looking into, since most DEs don't require you to use their window manager.
That actually goes back to what I was saying about random things that would make it hard to go back to KDE3 for me. I don't see much of my window decorations any more, because one of kwin's decorations, oxygen, can completely disable the titlebar. kwin's decorations at this point are a few pixels of border on all four sides. Thanks to another feature -- binding modifier key + mouse clicks to window control actions -- I don't have much use for the titlebar, since I can resize, move, etc. with things like meta+left click and meta+right click.
The other thing I really like is plasma's super flexible panels. I've got different panels on different displays, and none of them are using the default taskbar because it's just another configurable component and I preferred the alternatives. I also embed folder views into the panels and use them as group launchers, by pointing the folder view to a folder filled with shortcuts to frequent apps.
Kwin's also one of the best compositing WMs right now. I find the magnifier, window grid, and present windows plugins really useful, and when I want to turn it off (for a game or something) there's a otkey to disable/enable compositing on the fly, or I can set it to happen automatically when certain programs run. I also use the window rules to work around deficiencies in brain-dead programs that don't like to start up on the correct display or start at weird sizes, too. I used to need to use compiz for this stuff in KDE3, but kwin generally works better for the non-flashy stuff so I don't need to any more.
I get that a lot of this won't be applicable to others, so they won't get the appeal, but I figured since it was on-topic I'd elaborate on what I meant about KDE4 having a bunch of little things I'd miss.
(Score: 2) by efitton on Thursday December 18 2014, @04:23PM
The nice part about using the taskbar to manage window decorations was the ability to turn them back on again easily. It is nice you can turn off decorations from the title bar, but if it's the title bar I'm temporarily hiding for that window it can really complicated, frustrating, etc. to bring it back. And maybe things are better now with KDE but for years I struggled with KDE 4. It feels like getting food poisoning 4 times at a restaurant and then having the head chef mad at you for not giving it another chance.
My ability to whip up scripts to deal with the window decorations is just not feasible. I am a math teacher who hasn't coded in a decade. I have a two year old and another child due on the 30th. And while KDE doesn't owe me anything, at this point I don't feel like I owe them anything either. Maybe I'll give it another look as it has been 3 or 4 years since I've tried it but it left just an awful taste in my mouth.
(Score: 2) by efitton on Saturday December 20 2014, @04:22PM
Being able to pin across workspaces and flag a window "keep on top" from the taskbar was also helpful. Especially when you hid the title bar.
(Score: 2) by bart9h on Wednesday December 17 2014, @01:19PM
If you have warm memories of KDE 3.x (and/or an aversion to some aspect of KDE 4.x), maybe Trinity will be just the ticket.
And if you have warm memories of GNOME 2, (and/or an aversion to some aspect of GNOME 3), maybe MATE [mate-desktop.org] will be just the ticket.
(Score: 3, Funny) by rts008 on Wednesday December 17 2014, @02:31PM
Gahhh! Begone, blasphemer!
I have no warm memories of any version of GNOME!
You can MATE your GNOME all you want, but please, no pic's!
*Disclaimer: This comment is not meant to be taken seriously. (except the part about not liking the GNOME DE)
(Score: 1) by rockdoctor on Wednesday December 17 2014, @03:15PM
For some reason, I could never feel comfortable with KDE. On the other hand, I do like Mate. Choice is good!
(Score: 3, Insightful) by rts008 on Wednesday December 17 2014, @03:54PM
Yes, choice is good.
I like the fact that there are many options for Linux.
Hundreds, if not thousands of distro's, then many different DE's to pick from for each of those, and many thousands of software packages to download from the repository.
Life is good. :-) [limited to the context of this discussion]
I got hooked on KDE during my time with Mandrake 5 thru 8(bailed when it became Mandriva), and have stayed with it. When the KDE 4.0 fiasco happened, I just stuck with 3.5, then warily tried 4.2...all good since.
I think what spooked me away from GNOME was a 'first impression' experience with Ubuntu 5.04. I also missed the cofigurability of KDE, so with 5.10, I went with Kubuntu.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Marand on Thursday December 18 2014, @03:43AM
Yes, choice is good.
I like the fact that there are many options for Linux.
That's what people don't understand when they complain about "fragmentation" and "too many alternatives". It's a good thing to have options, because not everybody wants the same thing. If everybody liked KDE or GNOME there'd be no reason to even have separate projects, but that's not the case. Different DEs and WMs have different goals and appeal to different people.
Even in environments like Windows, people end up hacking in options like shell replacements and window theming. The difference is with the X11 GUIs it's explicitly supported so you can do a lot more and have it work better.
I got hooked on KDE during my time with Mandrake 5 thru 8(bailed when it became Mandriva), and have stayed with it. When the KDE 4.0 fiasco happened, I just stuck with 3.5, then warily tried 4.2...all good since.
I think what spooked me away from GNOME was a 'first impression' experience with Ubuntu 5.04. I also missed the cofigurability of KDE, so with 5.10, I went with Kubuntu.
I tried GNOME 1 (or maybe it wasn't even at 1.x yet) and liked it, but it was too resource heavy for the AMD K5 I had, so I ended up using AfterStep instead. Switched from AS to WindowMaker at some point and used it for a very long time.
Then one day I decided to check GNOME out again and absolutely hated GNOME 2. They'd already begun their crusade of removing customisation and hiding anything resembling flexibility inside registry crap even back then, and it was a massive shock coming from window managers with more freedom.
As for KDE, I tried KDE 1, didn't like it. Tried KDE 2, didn't like it. Then sometime around early KDE 3.5 I tried that and was happy. The flexibility was just what I wanted, and it felt like there was finally a worthwhile upgrade from WindowMaker. I didn't get KDE4 until 4.2 or 4.3 because of Debian, so I missed the pain and ended up liking it because it's even more flexible than KDE 3 was.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Magic Oddball on Wednesday December 17 2014, @03:22PM
Trinity 3.5.13 was a fork or continuation of KDE's 3.5 -- it took the KDE 3 code and expanded on it. According to the discussions, the reason that this release is "F14.0.0" rather than "3.5.14" is because it no longer uses KDE code, altered or otherwise. The dev(s) worked hard to recode everything from the ground up and design it so it would look/function mostly like KDE did, but were pretty careful to make it clear that it is a totally distinct project at this point.
That explains the change from using HAL over to using udev, which is now just a subcomponent of systemd, unless the TDE team is using an older/different version of udev that doesn't require it.
(Score: 2) by fnj on Wednesday December 17 2014, @11:25PM
Bye bye Trinity, just another abortion.
(Score: 2) by ticho on Wednesday December 17 2014, @01:18PM
This is what I like about FOSS - it's being abandoned but people still like it? Fork it and keep it alive, and make it even better. Try *that* with Windows XP. :)
(Score: 2) by Marand on Wednesday December 17 2014, @01:36PM
This is what I like about FOSS - it's being abandoned but people still like it? Fork it and keep it alive, and make it even better. Try *that* with Windows XP. :)
Yeah, about that [reactos.org] . . .
Don't forget that enthusiasts are also keeping the spirit of BeOS alive [haiku-os.org], too.
Or you could spend some time with an AmigaOS reimplementation [sourceforge.net] or clone [syllable.org].
Old OSes don't die, they just get reimplemented, emulated, or copied.
(Score: 2) by WizardFusion on Wednesday December 17 2014, @02:40PM
I liked BeOS when it was first released
(Score: 2) by Marand on Thursday December 18 2014, @03:10AM
BeOS was definitely something special. Boot times were ridiculously fast, it was stable, and compared to Windows 95, Linux of the time, and whatever MacOS version Apple had, the GUI was slick, modern, and really nice to use.
I was lucky enough to have hardware that worked well with BeOS5, so I spent a bit of time with it. I liked the unix-like feel of the command line aspects and I absolutely loved the way the titlebars just automatically worked as tabs. The latter is something I really wish other window managers would pick up on. Kwin can do something close but it's really clunky in comparison, and most WMs don't even have anything remotely similar.
It's shame it died off. Compared to what was available at the time it was like a glimpse of desktop computing's future. I was cheering for it even though I knew it didn't have much chance against Apple and Microsoft.
(Score: 2) by wonkey_monkey on Wednesday December 17 2014, @02:56PM
Your Syllable link didn't work.
http://www.syllable.org/ [syllable.org]
systemd is Roko's Basilisk
(Score: 2) by Marand on Thursday December 18 2014, @02:50AM
Good catch, I didn't notice syllable.org redirected to web.syllable.org when I was copying the domain. I hate when sites do half-broken redirect nonsense like that.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Wednesday December 17 2014, @08:00PM
I waited a VERY long time for a MSWind95 compatible OS. It never showed up. It still hasn't showed up. About a decade ago I talked to a ReactOS developer, and he told me that if wine didn't support it, ReactOS wasn't likely to. I didn't go into details about why, but the impression I got was that either they used the same code, or the used wine as a template for development.
Wine *STILL* don't run MSWind95 applications...except some of them (i.e., not the ones I was interested in).
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 17 2014, @09:38PM
either [ReactOS] used the same code, or [they] used wine as a template
Neither of those was or is completely accurate.
There has been a significant amount of cross-pollination between the 2 for many years.
Some years back, ReactOS had a major refactoring and they threw away a lot of code in favor of what WINE had done.
If neither of those runs your must-have Windoze-only app, ISTM the next choice is one of the Tiny* things you can get via BitTorrent.
(The less M$ code you run, the fewer bugs and exploitable holes you will encounter, so the cut-down stuff seems like an obvious decision if all-FOSS code isn't getting you there.)
Run that in a virtual machine, of course.
Replacing a snapshot of a M$ OS in a VM is about as simple as a recovery from an M$ failure gets.
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...and the suggestion in the first place by Marand of ReactOS (whose devs have to grope around in the dark because the source code for MSFT stuff isn't available freely) is about as far away from the statement by ticho as anything could be re: forking existing FREE code.
-- gewg_
(Score: 2) by Hairyfeet on Wednesday December 17 2014, @03:33PM
Uhhh yeah you mean like Windows XP SP4 [ryanvm.net] which not only gives you all the updates released since XP SP3 but also adds the POS hack that lets XP get updates until 2019?
That said anybody who wants to keep a 14 year old OS is an idiot, I'm sorry but you are. 14 years ago the top o' the line PCs were 1Ghz P3s with if you were lucky 512Mb of RAM and today a $15 graphics card has more RAM and horsepower than the entire PC had then. Windows 7 and Windows 10, hell even windows Vista, are sooo far ahead of XP that there really is no point in keeping a 14 year old OS as a desktop PC (embedded applications is a different story, plenty of old hardware with interfaces requiring XP out there) when you can slap Windows 7 on a 9 year old dual core box and it runs just fine, and better than XP will ever run on that hardware.
Which brings me to TFA which sadly is just this obligatory XKCD [xkcd.com] made all too real. What Linux needs badly is comprehensive driver testing, the update mechanism overhauled so that you can just do a system restore if things go bad, a simple way to just click on a device in device manager and be able to update and rollback drivers like what Windows has had for nearly 15 years...know what Linux really didn't need? Yet another DE to join the likes of KDE 4, Cinnamon, Gnome 3, XFCE, LXDE, E17, JWM, etc, etc, etc.
So while I'm glad the guys in TFA found themselves a nice little hobby to kill some time on the weekends to use a car analogy its adding sparkle paint to a car with the powertrain busted, sure it looks purty but it sure isn't helping the car get fixed.
ACs are never seen so don't bother. Always ready to show SJWs for the racists they are.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 17 2014, @06:47PM
Hey look! Ballmer's blowjob boy shits on Linux while shilling Windoze. How about Windoze allow installing applications without system reboots like Linux has been able to do for more than 15 years.
(Score: 2) by novak on Wednesday December 17 2014, @07:19PM
I don't see what's wrong with making a new DE that looks like an old one, especially if the old one was pretty good, like KDE3. If you think linux has "a busted powertrain," I have some bad news about that windows unicycle you're riding. I don't think we agree on much, so suffice it to say I am not interested in the features that you say linux needs so badly.
novak
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 17 2014, @07:36PM
Don't give the troll attention and he'll just leave. hairyfeet keeps posting his shillbait because you people fall for it and give him attention.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 17 2014, @09:41PM
[Unofficial] XP SP4
Heh. That takes me back a lot of years.
"Unofficial Windows 98SE Service Pack 2.0.1"
who wants to keep a 14 year old OS
That would be someone who isn't even slightly aware and thinks he needs to spend more money to move forward.
There are people who don't have a single penny extra to spend on newer hardware and who still think that the M$ treadmill is the only game in town.[1]
Meanwhile, the city fathers of Munich handed out thousands of plastic disks containing gratis and libre Ubuntu Linux.
Bootable Linux media (from which the OS, including the GUI and all the included apps, can be run without installing anything) would quickly dispel that silly myth, but those folks have to be alerted to that.
...and people like you aren't about to tell them how to do things without spending money.
Puppy Linux continues to be popular because, out of the box, it accomplishes all the tasks that most people need to do--with an ISO download that is still less than 200MB and it will run on absolutely ancient hardware.
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What Linux needs badly is comprehensive driver testing
What Linux needs is for people to stop giving good money to bad hardware vendors who provide lousy support.
PEOPLE, STOP GIVING YOUR CASH TO THE BINARY-BLOB-ONLY LEECHES.
...and the Linux Driver Project does an amazing job, given the resources they have.
Linux continues to support more devices than any other OS [googleusercontent.com] (orig) [lwn.net]
...and I offer a testimonial from gycklarn as a counter to your FUD.
Windoze drivers suck, Linux drivers rock [googleusercontent.com] (orig) [archlinux.org]
[1] These same people get infected over and over and over yet they haven't simply shed the OS that is so easily infected.
That speaks volumes about their level of tech sophistication.
-- gewg_
(Score: 1, Troll) by Hairyfeet on Thursday December 18 2014, @05:55AM
Linux is free if your time is worthless, if your time is worth nothing? Go ahead, enjoy the forced upgrade death march, update foo broke my drivers, if you think I'm full of shit take the Hairyfeet Challenge and post the resulting video to Dropbox. Takes less than 4 hours from start to finish and will prove to you what I already know, the Linux driver model is a shitstain on the underwear that is OS design and even 15 year old WinXP WDM driver design is the space age to the 1970s crap design Torvalds refuses to let go of.
As far as cost? You get 10 years worth of updates WITHOUT the upgrade deathmarch for a lousy $100, that is just $10 A YEAR. If you are soo poor that $10 a year is a hardship? You probably can't afford Internet anyway which in that case you can stay with Win95 for all it matters. Oh and just FYI but you can go to pretty much any Craigslist or flea market and find a dual core Win 7 desktop or laptop for less than the $100 so you can actually get newer hardware AND the new OS for less than $100.
Feel free to prove me wrong by taking the challenge but I have a feeling in a few months I'll be able to talk about how my challenge is enjoying its ninth year, because as a Linux admin friend who got fed up with Linux shitting on his laptop said as he went out to get a MBP "Linux doesn't get better, it just gets different!
ACs are never seen so don't bother. Always ready to show SJWs for the racists they are.
(Score: 2) by urza9814 on Thursday December 18 2014, @01:55PM
Yeah, well Windows is pretty damn expensive in time as well. Can't tell you the number of times I've had to copy files onto the Unix systems at work in order to get stuff done, because even the simplest tasks are goddamn impossible on a Windows system. How do you do basic manipulation of a 500+ meg pipe-delimited text file in Windows for example? No grep, no sed, no awk, uniq, sort...and text editors crash just trying to open the damn thing! A single text-only SSH session to a *nix system is more valuable to me than an entire Windows workstation.
(Score: 2) by Hairyfeet on Saturday December 20 2014, @09:51PM
Its called Powershell [microsoft.com], been around for over a decade now, and its trivial to extend to do anything you want with cmdlets, not that you'll actually need to because its created with input from fortune 500 companies so pretty much all the basic use cases you can come up with? they'l have already thought of and had built in.
Don't blame Windows for you not bothering to use the tools that are right there and built for the task at hand, hell you can even run bash on Windows if that floats your boat, so there really is no excuse other than you just haven't bothered to learn how to use the tools you have been handed...now who's fault is that?
ACs are never seen so don't bother. Always ready to show SJWs for the racists they are.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 18 2014, @07:59PM
urza already hit the point about having to waste money on MICROS~1's fragile junk -then- having to waste time on it as well.
No, thanks. BTDTGTTS. Nevermore.
broke my drivers [...] upgrade deathmarch
If you're seeing that, the problem is YOU.
Your crappy hardware vendor took your cash and laughed at you.
The reason you have problems with Linux is that you can't make a clean break from the closed-code mentality and will continue to give cash for such products--even when they are horribly broken.
...and I have old hardware (running under Linux) that doesn't have drivers available for the latest Windoze versions.
I already pointed at gycklarn who experienced the same thing.
The problem is the inverse of what you have stated.
taking the challenge
I haven't experienced any of that.
As I already mentioned, people who don't give good money for crap hardware with crap support don't encounter the problem.
-- gewg_
(Score: 2) by Hairyfeet on Friday December 19 2014, @03:22AM
Wow I get to play FOSSie Bingo? lets see you invoked Linux Supports More Devices Than Windows [tmrepository.com], tried to pretend the drivers [osnews.com] aren't deep fried tampons [osnews.com] which BTW I noticed your "evidence" is just some badly written search, good going actual evidence would show the "drivers" are just a fucking mess [narod.ru] and the reason invokes Stable Kernel Driver ABI Nonsense [tmrepository.com] which is one of my personal favorite because it shows how FOSSies can't even do basic math (hint if you kept the kernel devs up for eternity doing NOTHING but fixing broken drivers then each driver would get exactly 5 minutes every 6 years).
oh and you invoked the classic linux gives me every thing i need [tmrepository.com] which is true...if all you need is a glorified web browser, but if that is the case you'd be better off with a Chromebook so you don't deal with the biannual forced death march [tmrepository.com] and use distro x [tmrepository.com] But of course you'll try to counter with my anecdotal evidence beats your facts [tmrepository.com] a fav of SJVN and always made of fail, which of course brings us to the simple facts which are Linux is its free you cant complain [tmrepository.com] and death by a thousand downloads [tmrepository.com]. BINGO!
But feel free to take the challenge and TRY, key word is try,to prove me wrong. You won't as you can't click your heels Dorothy and make the deep fried shitstain of a driver model that is Linux driver design (which is so shitty NOBODY else uses it, not free OSes like BSD, not proprietary like OSX and Windows, NOBODY!) go away so YOU WILL FAIL. At the end of the challenge you will get a buggy broken mess with multiple failed drivers if not an outright BSOD. Compare this to windows where I can go from 2K RTM to EOL, that is 4 SPs and patch rollup with ZERO driver failures for 10 years of rock solid support, I can also do the same with XP RTM to EOL, Vista to current, and 7 to current. Of course unlike Linux where you get the deathmarch people that got Vista in 07 get support until 2017, My Win 7 from 2009 gets support until 2020 and Windows 10 which is shaping up to be the new XP? 2025. No death march, no "update foo fucked my Wifi", no use distro X, that Win 7 system I sell this year or (made of)Win 10 I sell nxt year will just keep right on going WITHOUT shelling out hundreds a year in support contracts or doing the death march. But of course you're a FOSSie, which means that even after doing the challenge and having reality cockslap you with Linux failure you'll just hang onto the circle of loon [tmrepository.com] like a security blanket. The challenge is below, nut up or shut up, I'm sure everyone here is waiting to see your proof uploaded to Dropbox...which of course you never will, because when you are sitting there looking at the busted Wifi, fucked sound, and buggy graphics you'll wipe and start over with the latest release and convince yourself that living with a shitty OS is like living in paradise!
Take ANY mainstream consumer oriented (not LTS, because even Ubuntu advises against mainstream users using LTS) from FIVE years ago, this simulates a 5 year typical lifecycle. This BTW is less than HALF a windows support cycle, so I'm cutting linux a break. Lets say you use Ubuntu, that would be Ubuntu 9.10 and can be downloaded from their archive. Install it on ANY PC, desktop or laptop (NOT VM as that isn't real hardware and comes with special drivers) that has a wireless card. Wireless is required because more and more mainstream users are ditching wires and nobody wants a laptop that doesn't have wireless, do they?
During this phase you are the system builder so CLI (which is usually required because Linux driver support is poor) IS ALLOWED. Once its installed you are no longer the system builder but THE USER, so like a windows user you are ONLY allowed to use the GUI. You then get to "enjoy the freedom" of using nothing but the GUI (because if you can't even update the thing without CLI you're no match for windows are you) of updating to current...with ubuntu that is SEVEN RELEASES, just FYI. You will film this and post it to youtube, you only have to upload the final install process of each release and a pic of the device manager showing working hardware complete with wireless showing WPA V2 connection, but the complete video should be hosted on dropbox to prove you aren't faking it.
BTW in case it isn't clear working hardware means WORKING HARDWARE, it does NOT mean wireless that can't use WPA, it does NOT mean a PC with no sound or VESA video, it means FULLY WORKING HARDWARE and again if you are unclear please see the highlighted areas as completing the challenge REQUIRES vids of the final install of each upgrade (last I checked that would be EIGHT for Ubuntu, and around SIX for most others, be sure to have room on your SD Card!) along with a 5 minute video of the end of each install showing that upon completion you could go to hardware manager and had 100% functional hardware with NO FUTZING. After all if you have to futz with the thing just to have functional drivers it isn't on the same level as Windows now is it? BTW the first Windows that passed the challenge was Win2K (RTM to EOL with ZERO failed drivers, 10 years of support) WinXP (14 years, ZERO fails) and both Vista and 7 can go from RTM to current with ZERO failures. So lets see them snappies, otherwise you are just throwing yet more bullshit, which if you want bullshit see "many eyes" (which gave us such well vetted code the world lost billions on heartbleed and will probably lose billions more on stopping the current BASHing...what quality!) or again what all the anecdotes guys like you throw around lead to, the ever popular lies [tmrepository.com], damn lies [tmrepository.com], and the tao of bullshittery. [tmrepository.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 19 2014, @10:35AM
The minute I see "ABI", it's obvious you're back to the closed-source garbage.
I already said, if you're going to do Linux, you need to leave that stupid shit behind.
...and only a moron would click a link to tmrepository.
A circle-jerk of lying M$ fanboys? Get real.
You're going to have to do better than that.
...and for about the dozenth time, RedHat, CentOS, and Scientific Linux all pass your silly little challenge with 10 years of support.
TROLL.
...and no, you don't get to specify which Linux gets used any more than someone else gets to specify exactly which Windoze setup you have to use to do a test.
Your dishonesty repeats itself again and again.
-- gewg_
(Score: 3, Funny) by hendrikboom on Wednesday December 17 2014, @06:46PM
Does it require systemd?
-- hendrik
(Score: 2) by caseih on Thursday December 18 2014, @12:52AM
No but it does require udev for obvious reasons.