National Geographic reports:
When Herbert G. Claudius's family would ask him if he'd ever sunk an enemy submarine during his decades in the U.S. Navy, Claudius would say that he thought he did once. He'd seen oil and debris after a fierce battle he'd led against a German U-boat in the Gulf of Mexico in 1942.
The Navy didn't agree, and since a passenger ship, the Robert E Lee, had been sunk by the submarine (U-166) just 25 miles (40 kilometers) from the U.S. mainland, they removed Claudius from command and sent him back to anti-sub-warfare school.
The sub, and the Lee remained lost until found by sonar in 2001 by oil exploration crews. They were located at 5000 feet down, about 10 times the sub's crush depth.
This past summer, the wrecks were finally visited by researchers using a deep sea Remotely Operated Vehicle. The discovery was briefly covered by CNN. The ROV's cameras clearly showed depth charge damage on the forward hull. (See pictures on NatGeo link and video at CNN link).
Finally on Tuesday, Claudius was posthumously vindicated at the Pentagon, as the U.S. Secretary of the Navy announced that his ship had indeed fired the depth charges that sank German U-boat U-166. He was awarded a Legion of Merit with a Combat "V", which recognizes heroism in battle.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Jeremiah Cornelius on Thursday December 18 2014, @06:57PM
Deserves sinking as much as it were named "Botha" or "von Ribbentrop"
You're betting on the pantomime horse...
(Score: 2) by Yog-Yogguth on Thursday December 18 2014, @08:44PM
Come on people that is not a troll it's an opinion or maybe even a joke (M/S Buttplug).
Anyway here's mine and I've got at least three!
0. If the Nazis knew the name Robert. E. Lee [wikipedia.org] would they still have sunk it? Yeah they would and they might have shouted “nigger-lover” at it as it sunk because from their point of view he certainly would have been one.
1. Isn't it time to realize both sides in the American civil war were wrong? The south was wrong about slavery and the north was wrong about the federation/states rights.
2. I wonder if the guy would want to accept any “honors”, he can't say since he's dead. Convenient for the Pentagon to act in the same way the ‘Church of Latter Day Saints’ does and kidnap/appropriate the remembrance of dead people. No I don't want to become a Mormon, no not even after I'm dead. What kind of retarded god would accept forced postmortem conversion as some kind of get-out-of-hell voucher? Right; a Moroni [wikipedia.org] god :D (to all the nice Mormons I know are out there: hey I didn't make that stuff up so don't blame me for being insensitive about it).
A 2093 Congressional Medal (or whatever) for a long dead Julian Assange? I bet he would find it absurd.
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(Score: 2) by Jeremiah Cornelius on Thursday December 18 2014, @08:52PM
1,720 years late, Claudius Caesar gets Recognition.
You're betting on the pantomime horse...
(Score: 2) by LaminatorX on Thursday December 18 2014, @09:06PM
The Union were not angels, but let's not draw moral equivalence between human enslavement and disagreement over what degree of Federalism is appropriate. That's like saying, "Well these guys eat babies, but the anti-baby-eaters abuse zoning ordinances so both sides were wrong."
(Score: 2) by Yog-Yogguth on Thursday December 18 2014, @09:34PM
In Boolean binary truth value terms you are saying you can have 0,1 and 1,0 and 1,1 but that 0,0 is impossible or at the very least strictly not allowed and forbidden which of course is bullshit, you can have 0,0 as much as you like and can thus argue all you want both against eating babies and against abusing zoning ordinances: the two topics closest to your heart :3
And considering your stance we all now hope you break and abuse all the zoning ordinances you can find :P
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(Score: 0) by t-3 on Thursday December 18 2014, @11:05PM
In any case, the Civil War was about secession and taxes, not slavery. Slaves being freed was just a political maneuver and a way to gain the manpower needed to win.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 19 2014, @12:08AM
Why did the Confederate states want to secede? Slavery. Only after the Civil War did "states' rights" rise in prominence. To quote from an article on in which cited criticisms of Texas textbooks by 10 scholars (Valerie Strauss, Washington Post, September 12–the only reference I have on this computer)
"... the concept of “states’ rights” in an abstract sense as a defense of secession did not appear until after the conclusion of the Civil War. Contemporaneous documents and statements by southerners make it plain that slavery was the underlying reason for their action. In their secession ordinances, South Carolina, Georgia, Mississippi and Texas all stated their understanding that slavery had been placed in danger by Lincoln’s election and made that their major theme. Moreover, high officials, such as Confederate President Jefferson Davis and Vice President Alexander H. Stephens, made plain the absolute centrality of protecting slavery as the reason for secession....[B]oth Davis and Stephens revised their positions after the war was over to argue that slavery had not been the issue at all, maintaining instead that it had been about abstract constitutionalism"
(Score: 2) by LaminatorX on Friday December 19 2014, @12:46AM
Read the Conferderate constitution. They were quite explicit about their motives for succession, and that was their ability to own other human beings. That wasn't the only reason for the war, but it was absolutely the primary one. Anyone who thinks otherwise should take a long look in the mirror and ask yourself if you really want to bean apologist for slavers.
(Score: 2) by kaganar on Thursday December 18 2014, @08:57PM
(Score: 3, Interesting) by frojack on Thursday December 18 2014, @09:23PM
But at least try to derive some perspective from the past.
If viewed from a Saudi Arabian viewpoint, where women are still property, I suppose one could conveniently over look slavery.
After all, as any southern apologist will explain to you if you can stand to listen, even the British did it, and the South _only_ imported 250,000 slaves (we bred the rest), that were bought (as in paid for) from various tribal war lords in Africa, and the real bad guys were in Brazil where they imported several million and worked them to death in the mines. In 1981, Mauritania became the last country in the world to abolish slavery.
So by THAT perspective, are we to assume you mean that being a little bit inhuman is so much better than being a whole lot inhuman?
Perspective my ass.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 18 2014, @06:58PM
This isn't remotely related to the site, it's the same human interest bollocks everywhere else runs.
(Score: 3, Informative) by tibman on Thursday December 18 2014, @07:10PM
Yup, ROVs at 1.5km depth are pretty remote.
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(Score: 2) by sjames on Friday December 19 2014, @12:22AM
And yet you not only clicked on TFA, you took the time to comment...
(Score: 2) by mechanicjay on Thursday December 18 2014, @08:26PM
Does anyone know how deep these ROV's can go?
If sea level is about 14 psi, google tells me that 5000 ft underwater is about 2100 psi.
That's a serious amount of pressure.
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(Score: 2, Informative) by SplawnDarts on Thursday December 18 2014, @09:03PM
Depends on what level of functionality is required at the bottom. Something that's a steel ball with non-moving instrumentation can go as deep as we have ocean - about 11,000 meters. A deepwater drilling ROV can do slightly more than 3,000 meters, but can actually do mechanical manipulations at that depth.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Yog-Yogguth on Thursday December 18 2014, @09:10PM
They can go all the way to the bottom :D
James Cameron went [wikipedia.org] to the deepest we know of (something like 11 kilometers down, or about 36000 feet) in 2012 [wikipedia.org]. While that one (and the very first one half a century ago) was manned there has also been two ROVs all the way down there.
Glad I'm not there [deepseachallenge.com], the sea scares the shit [deadstate.org] out of me.
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(Score: 2) by mhajicek on Friday December 19 2014, @03:17AM
It's Slenderman!
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