Finally, some good news for people who are determined to avoid the Windows 10 "upgrade". Microsoft has this week issued an update that removes the Get Windows 10 App and other software related to the the Windows 10 free update offer, which expired July 29, 2016. From a report on Redmond Channel Partner:
An update issued by Microsoft this week will delete the infamous "Get Windows App" from users' systems.
The Get Windows App (also known as the "GWX app") was a nag-ware-like popup that showed up on Windows 7 Service Pack 1 and Windows 8.1 desktops, prompting users to get a free upgrade to Windows 10. It hung around with that same message over a one-year period for those who didn't accept the offer. It took a lot of effort to make it go away.
The update that dispenses with the GWX app is labeled as "Knowledge Base article KB3184143." It became available through Windows Server Update Services as of Sept. 20, according to Microsoft's description article.
(Score: 2) by Knowledge Troll on Friday September 23 2016, @07:45PM
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 23 2016, @07:57PM
and they never do it again because fuck that was annoying.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 24 2016, @08:09PM
Altho notepad still whines it's not genuine.
(Score: 5, Funny) by inertnet on Friday September 23 2016, @08:11PM
That offer was so hard to refuse that I kind of expected to find a horse's head in my bed one of these days.
(Score: 5, Funny) by bob_super on Friday September 23 2016, @09:07PM
[horse head delivery] complete in 5 minutes ... 3 days ... 2 hours ... 5 minutes ... 34 weeks ...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 23 2016, @08:17PM
... to Vista. How do I do that?
(Score: 3, Funny) by Zz9zZ on Friday September 23 2016, @08:33PM
Use a hammer?
~Tilting at windmills~
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 23 2016, @08:47PM
Windows Longhorn [winworldpc.com] Beta [thecollectionbook.info]
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 23 2016, @09:59PM
You're better off skipping the beta and going straight to the release version, Windows 7.
(Score: 2) by Zz9zZ on Sunday September 25 2016, @07:57PM
I didn't know W7 was Vista 2.0... I'm glad, cause now 7 is my favorite of the bunch. The sooner we get good cross platform game development the better.
~Tilting at windmills~
(Score: 5, Insightful) by jmorris on Friday September 23 2016, @09:00PM
Ok, so we don't have to keep a constantly updated list of 'updates to avoid' to prevent infection with Windows 10. We still need to keep a list of the updates that inject the 'telemetry' malware. Have they promised to stop reissuing those with new update numbers? Until then, nothing has really changed. Windows Update is still more likely to cause harm than help you unless you have time to carefully research each new update. Turn it off, keep it off. Manual updates only.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 23 2016, @09:17PM
OK, but where is the list of safe updates?
F'n windows update races my processor so I've had it off for months. Frankly have no interest in spending time researching updates.
Is there a reliable source of what updates are absolutely necessary and safe?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 23 2016, @09:46PM
No trustworthy list. You must research or take your chances. . . But then, even with due diligence, it's still a crap shoot.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 24 2016, @07:03AM
Sure. They're here: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/ [mozilla.org]
https://noscript.net/ [noscript.net]
https://addons.mozilla.org/EN-us/firefox/addon/ublock-origin/ [mozilla.org]
Seriously, for Windows install the critical security updates (which all the security researchers get excited about, there aren't that many ) then don't worry too much about the rest. The important bits are: don't install flash, keep your browser, IM, game and other network clients updated. If you're paranoid sandbox them especially your browser. Other than some media library bug, that's how you'd get pwned via code exploits nowadays (social engineering and similar are a different matter).
Don't believe me? Go look at the early pwn2own contests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pwn2Own#Contest_2007 [wikipedia.org]
ALL of the machines were uncracked at the first stage: "Remote attacks only. Contestants must join the same network as the target laptop and perform their attack without user interaction and without authentication."
They were only cracked at the second stage/day or even third day: "Browser and Instant messaging attacks included. Contestants could send a link to the contest e-mail address, which an organizer would click on from one of the contest laptops. The organizers would also sign into and receive IMs from the default, vendor-supplied IM client."
So much so that for future contests they skipped that first stage (for PC OSes), or moved on to attacking mobile devices (which haven't been as "battle hardened" as the desktop OSes).
If the attacker can pwn you remotely using an OS exploit without help from you, your browser or other network client you should be honored. The attacker is probably using a million dollar "zero day" on you (I'm aware that local privilege escalation zero days only go for 90k, but there really is a big difference the local one means you're _already_ in and in a lot of cases hackers don't give a damn once they're in- they can already get your keys, passwords, emails and use your computer for bitcoin mining or spamming all without local priv escalation).
In short it's pretty hard to remotely pwn a Windows 7 machine was patched up to the point just before MS decided to that they would get away with breaking computer crime laws[1] in many countries. Just patch and sandbox your apps.
[1] How many of us would get away with upgrading thousands of machines to Windows 10 without genuine permission (e.g. not my fault, they clicked the wrong button on the dialog box).
(Score: 5, Insightful) by edIII on Friday September 23 2016, @09:59PM
You're way off base, and the game has changed significantly since then. Microsoft got rid of individual updates some time ago. They're all or nothing now.
In order to get the update to remove the nag screen for updating to Windows 10, you also got the update to install telemetry into Windows 7, which is why they wanted you to update to Windows 10 anyways.
Downloading the update to remove the nag screen allows Microsoft to win. The operating system is now just the bait to get access to all of your keystrokes, visited websites, etc. Basically a wealth of personal information they can now share.
They've one-upped Facebook in terms of privacy invasion at this point. It's privacy eradication with 100% monetization of that information coming down the pipeline, and of course, national security theater gets the info in a backroom "deal" with Microsoft. I wouldn't be surprised if people started getting targeting marketing from Microsoft affiliates that puzzles them in that the information was seemingly private.
The only safe method of installing and running Windows 7 is to use older installation media without the telemetry, install all individual updates that are still available, and then to lock the system out of any future updates.
In other words, Microsoft operating systems are dead on arrival from now on, and the writing is on the wall. Move to Linux or BSD NOW. Or Apple, but if you're that okay with a walled garden, why move from Microsoft in the first place? ;)
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(Score: 3, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Friday September 23 2016, @11:10PM
Ok, so we don't have to keep a constantly updated list of 'updates to avoid' to prevent infection with Windows 10
Do we not? August 12, 2016 Windows 10 update took out our MiraCast capability, rolling it back restored it.
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(Score: 2) by AnonTechie on Saturday September 24 2016, @07:44AM
I have heard that Spybot Anti-Beacon does quite well in stopping all telemetry programs. Does anybody here have any experience with this ?
https://www.safer-networking.org/spybot-anti-beacon/ [safer-networking.org]
Albert Einstein - "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
(Score: 5, Informative) by Nerdfest on Friday September 23 2016, @09:16PM
Isn't it nice that they removed application from ... what seems to be *their* computers. They're certainly not owned by the users.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Scruffy Beard 2 on Friday September 23 2016, @09:51PM
My brother complains that I am melodramatic when I say that, but it has been the case since they "rebooted the Internet" around the turn of the century. That was when they rebooted WindowsNT servers even if they were set to download, but not install updates. Heck I got yelled at a couple of years later when the same thing happened to my brother's Windows XP machine. At the time I was able to show him that yes, there was a critical update disregarding user settings.
I have not been able to find references to the turn of the century incident in quick searching though.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 23 2016, @09:44PM
I need that one before I can turn the Windows Updates back on.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by butthurt on Friday September 23 2016, @10:47PM
Someone wrote a batch file to remove the telemetry from Windows 7. I don't know whether it does what it's supposed to do.
https://gist.github.com/xvitaly/eafa75ed2cb79b3bd4e9 [github.com]
(Score: 2, Informative) by Francis on Saturday September 24 2016, @12:49AM
That's the biggest problem with the telemetry data, I don't think anybody really knows how much is being collected. They certainly don't make it easy for people to understand what's being collected or what they're doing with it. So, I'd be somewhat skeptical of anybody claiming to remove all of it.
(Score: 2) by Chromium_One on Friday September 23 2016, @11:16PM
For anyone who really wants to make an attempt at an updated Win7 install without extra telemetry or other misfeatures, there are starting points for your research, but ... MS has indeed been re-issuing old patches without updating the KB number, so you can't trust that. Updates to various runtime packages (vcrun20xx, dot Net, etc.) are starting to come with extra telemetry, so on and so on and so on ...
Determining which patches lead to what data gathering, what's harmless and no cause for concern vs. what's not so innocuous? That's one hell of a project doing A/B testing against each and every patch, and so far as I'm aware nobody is touching it.
With that said, some are still making an effort. The most exhaustive single source for what patches are what that I've found so far is Team Grinder post on Overclock.net, at
http://www.overclock.net/t/1587577/windows-7-updates-list-descriptions-windows-10-preparation-telemetry [overclock.net]
Be advised though that trying to vet this list yourself leads into support documentation that is old enough to be questionable, removed from whatever source, or just plain nonexistent at points. Some of the calls they made looked questionable to me personally, but ...
If you're really stuck with Windows, the territory remains rather murky. Best of luck!
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(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 24 2016, @12:29AM
Is it safe to install "fixes" in windows 7 now or will I still get a bunch of telemetry crap installed? Will I get tricked into installing windows 10? I hate running windows 7 unpatched but I don't want to install any bad stuff.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 24 2016, @01:00AM
I've been running Win8.1 this whole time with automatic important updates, and I never once saw any offer to update to Win10. Is it because I unchecked the box for recommended updates? Golly, that was hard.
(Score: 2) by tibman on Saturday September 24 2016, @01:59AM
Not enough drive space, or not a legit copy of windows, or win 8 and not latest 8.1, or actually windows RT 8.1, or any other number or random things.
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