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posted by Snow on Tuesday December 06 2016, @11:03PM   Printer-friendly
from the pocket-full-of-sunshine dept.

At the end of last year, Germany switched on a new type of massive nuclear fusion reactor for the first time, and it was successfully able to contain a scorching hot blob of helium plasma.

But since then, there's been a big question - is the device working the way it's supposed to? That's pretty crucial when you're talking about a machine that could potentially maintain controlled nuclear fusion reactions one day, and thankfully, the answer is yes.

A team of researchers from the US and Germany have now confirmed that the Wendelstein 7-X (W 7-X) stellerator is producing the super-strong, twisty, 3D magnetic fields that its design predicted, with "unprecedented accuracy". The researchers found an error rate less than one in 100,000.


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  • (Score: 2) by ikanreed on Tuesday December 06 2016, @11:08PM

    by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 06 2016, @11:08PM (#438110) Journal

    So... this experiment was to get a non-reactive plasma contained.

    That's a crucial step to any fusion device, but we can count on the broader media, if they cover it at all, to do so in hyperbolic terms. "ENERGY CRISIS RESOLVED!"

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by lcklspckl on Tuesday December 06 2016, @11:22PM

      by lcklspckl (830) on Tuesday December 06 2016, @11:22PM (#438116)

      From TFA:

      Despite the fact that the machine successfully controlled helium plasma in December last year, and then the more challenging hydrogen plasma in February, no one had shown that the magnetic field was actually working as it should be.

      This experiment was to see that the magnetic fields were constructed correctly. It already works apparently for containing plasma. They just wanted to see if they were doing/did it right.

      • (Score: 5, Funny) by bob_super on Tuesday December 06 2016, @11:25PM

        by bob_super (1357) on Tuesday December 06 2016, @11:25PM (#438118)

        Wait, they want to check their containment before setting off a fusion reaction... What's the fun in that?

        • (Score: 5, Informative) by ikanreed on Tuesday December 06 2016, @11:40PM

          by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 06 2016, @11:40PM (#438127) Journal

          Sadly, life isn't like sci-fi, and "containment" doesn't mean "preventing a nuclear explosion" but is instead a requisite state for the plasma to be in before fusion is even possible.

          H-Bombs essentially use a small fission explosion as containment for the tritium-deuterium reaction that fuels the big boom.

          It turns out to be really really really hard to keep particles with the same charge in close proximity.

          • (Score: 4, Informative) by bob_super on Tuesday December 06 2016, @11:47PM

            by bob_super (1357) on Tuesday December 06 2016, @11:47PM (#438130)

            Not just in proximity of each other, but far away from walls, windings and people which wouldn't be very happy to meet them up close, even if there aren't too many of them for now.

            I like calling the fission igniter explosion a "containment". A 100t hydraulic press is also a container, I guess.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 07 2016, @02:41AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 07 2016, @02:41AM (#438176)

              "Containment" (in this context) refers to its relationship to the object being contained.

              A press is only a container if it is containing something in that might come out...

              I nuclear fission reactor that fails to contain plasma is just a giant, incredible expensive metal donut...

        • (Score: 2) by edIII on Wednesday December 07 2016, @03:13AM

          by edIII (791) on Wednesday December 07 2016, @03:13AM (#438188)

          IIRC, I think the fun is when you turn off the containment grid. BOOM!

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          • (Score: 2) by Some call me Tim on Wednesday December 07 2016, @04:20AM

            by Some call me Tim (5819) on Wednesday December 07 2016, @04:20AM (#438209)

            That's when you call Ghost Busters!

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            • (Score: 4, Funny) by Bogsnoticus on Wednesday December 07 2016, @05:54AM

              by Bogsnoticus (3982) on Wednesday December 07 2016, @05:54AM (#438222)

              But if Chris answers the phone, hang up. Who wants the "B" team?

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              • (Score: 4, Funny) by Webweasel on Wednesday December 07 2016, @11:56AM

                by Webweasel (567) on Wednesday December 07 2016, @11:56AM (#438290) Homepage Journal

                The A Team were cancelled in 1987

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            • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Wednesday December 07 2016, @04:50PM

              by Thexalon (636) on Wednesday December 07 2016, @04:50PM (#438415)

              Alternately, they should think about contacting Dr Otto Octavius for assistance.

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    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by fustakrakich on Tuesday December 06 2016, @11:41PM

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Tuesday December 06 2016, @11:41PM (#438128) Journal

      Well, to be honest, even without this, the energy "crisis" has been been resolved for a very long time. The only remaining problem is bad management, and a disagreement over the price. Those are the direct cause of any "crisis".

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      • (Score: 4, Funny) by Some call me Tim on Wednesday December 07 2016, @04:16AM

        by Some call me Tim (5819) on Wednesday December 07 2016, @04:16AM (#438207)

        The only remaining problem is bad management, and a disagreement over the price.

        That sounds a lot like prostitution. :-)

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    • (Score: 3, Informative) by FatPhil on Wednesday December 07 2016, @10:18AM

      by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Wednesday December 07 2016, @10:18AM (#438273) Homepage
      > So... this experiment was to get a non-reactive plasma contained.

      No, it was to measure, using nothing more than a beam of electrons, whether the magnetic field had the right properties such that they should expect to maintain containment of a plasma.

      They've reached the "looks like one bit of it should work" stage.
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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by wonkey_monkey on Tuesday December 06 2016, @11:46PM

    by wonkey_monkey (279) on Tuesday December 06 2016, @11:46PM (#438129) Homepage

    And zey said I vos mad!

    The researchers found an error rate less than one in 100,000.

    Kinda need to know the typical consequences of one "error" to put that in some perspective...

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 07 2016, @12:16PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 07 2016, @12:16PM (#438296)

      Well for every 100,000 seconds the thing runs, you can expect it to fail catastrophically. Such accuracy.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by VLM on Wednesday December 07 2016, @02:40PM

      by VLM (445) on Wednesday December 07 2016, @02:40PM (#438349)

      I clicked a zillion times and read, well, skimmed, the papers and the engineering design predicting the magnetic field matched what they measured on a meter across the whole volume to around 5 or so digits of precision on the meter.

      I remember doing annoying differential calculus in quantitative chemical analysis class like a quarter century ago to do error analysis so you can measure some some electrochemistry thingy result a bunch of times and then turn the std deviation of that measurement into error bars for the calculated result. You can't just say 5% error in is 5% error out when the transfer function is some whacky exponential or whatever such that 5% high on the input means 50% high on the output or who knows. Of course you can solve numerically but you're supposed to "gain insight on error minimization" by analyzing the functions. Sometimes the math was awful and you couldn't solve it, or at least we couldn't, if it was for something weird like lab temperature or whatever. The point of this reminiscence is I bet the overall plant is so complicated that there's no way to turn magnetic uniformity into a delta of economic profit if it were a generating plant (which it isn't). Or if there is one its probably made entirely of hand waving.

      It is a pretty good measure of coolness. In EE stuff like these magnets and their power supplies its normal to operate across a zillion orders of magnitude for voltage or current but using typical mfgr tolerances you're lucky to get 3 figures of useful reliable data, and they get like 5 or 6 depending on how you pencil whip the statistics, so this must have been one hell of a cuckoo cuckoo clock to build that precisely and accurately.

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by dlb on Wednesday December 07 2016, @12:08AM

    by dlb (4790) on Wednesday December 07 2016, @12:08AM (#438139)
    The holy Grail of fusion is containing and controlling a substance that's hot, as in 15X the temperature at our sun's core. What is the temperature generated in a tokamak reactor? [euro-fusion.org]

    True, the 150-million-degree blob of plasma currently being held in place is only a tenth of a gram, and fusion as an energy source is still far into the future, but the ride there is a spectacular one of brilliant minds doing some really clever things.
  • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 07 2016, @12:27AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 07 2016, @12:27AM (#438143)

    If we get this practical, and hook it up to an EM-drive, we'd practically be Trekkin!

    • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by Demena on Wednesday December 07 2016, @12:55AM

      by Demena (5637) on Wednesday December 07 2016, @12:55AM (#438147)

      Might not need it. The most viable theory behind the EM drive suggests some control of interia might be possible, and that it can vary. Should be able to produce power from that.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 07 2016, @01:51AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 07 2016, @01:51AM (#438163)

    Yeah, they got fusion working.

  • (Score: 2) by Snotnose on Wednesday December 07 2016, @02:32AM

    by Snotnose (1623) on Wednesday December 07 2016, @02:32AM (#438172)

    Lemme grab my marshmallows. Aww dammit, the stick burned and the marshmallow fell into the fire.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by jmorris on Wednesday December 07 2016, @03:46AM

    by jmorris (4844) on Wednesday December 07 2016, @03:46AM (#438196)

    Everything is proceeding according to the plan. Fusion is still twenty to thirty years of expensive research away, exactly like it has been for the last sixty years. It is like the cure to cancer, they ever announce it is done and the money dries up.

    Ok, I'm being extra cynical today. Really, it is good engineering, just wanting to see some actual results for a change.

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 07 2016, @05:38PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 07 2016, @05:38PM (#438436)

      There is a reason it is always 20 years away. See this image [imgur.com].

      Note I have not fact-checked the numbers provided.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 07 2016, @11:43AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 07 2016, @11:43AM (#438287)

    Or will it be Castle Bravo?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l18dKSlzOlM [youtube.com]