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posted by CoolHand on Wednesday January 18 2017, @09:22PM   Printer-friendly
from the see-right-through-it dept.

Fire the beam weapons! A man has been sentenced to 30 years in prison over his dream of a novel "weapon of mass destruction":

A 52-year-old industrial mechanic who was the first person in the U.S. convicted of trying to produce a weapon of mass destruction under a 2004 law intended to stop terrorists from using radiation-dispersing "dirty bombs" was sentenced Monday to 30 years in prison followed by a lifetime of supervised release.

Glendon Scott Crawford, of Galway in upstate New York, planned to kill Muslims because of their religion as well as other people whose political and social beliefs he disagreed with, U.S. Attorney Richard Hartunian said. "This is a classic case of domestic terrorism," Hartunian said after Crawford's sentencing by U.S. District Judge Gary L. Sharpe.

Investigators began tracking Crawford in 2012 after he approached two local Jewish groups with his idea for how they could defeat their enemies using a mobile X-ray weapon. Prosecutors said Crawford also sought support for the device in 2013 from a Ku Klux Klan grand wizard in North Carolina who was an FBI informant.

Also at NBC New York. Here's a story about Glendon Crawford and his friend Eric Feight being charged back in 2013.

The moral of this story? Trust no one and do it yourself.


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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday January 18 2017, @09:32PM

    by Phoenix666 (552) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @09:32PM (#455694) Journal

    It's an inventive idea, and probably completely untraceable. As long as you don't run your mouth off, you'd be months and miles away before the target actually dies.

    Wouldn't it be poetic if somebody built one and pointed it at the guys in the z-backscatter vans?

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    • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Thursday January 19 2017, @01:04AM

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday January 19 2017, @01:04AM (#455812)

      The question I have is: did he actually build something lethal, or just have access to components to build something lethal plus the idea to combine them, or was he just shooting his mouth off? In other words: how much of a thought crime was this? Since, I presume, he hasn't actually harmed anyone.

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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by RS3 on Thursday January 19 2017, @03:40AM

        by RS3 (6367) on Thursday January 19 2017, @03:40AM (#455874)

        ...or was he just shooting his mouth off?

        You must be from the Olden Times, when there was a horribly dangerous thing called "Freedom of Speech". People said things, sometimes crazy things, and other people just laughed, said things back, or shrugged and went on with their lives. It was a frightful time to be alive.

        • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Thursday January 19 2017, @01:52PM

          by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday January 19 2017, @01:52PM (#456035)

          Wow, so, now you just have to be a Hollywood script writer to be licensed to tell stories of mass terror attacks. Guy should have at least tried to get a SAG card, might have saved him 30 years in prison.

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          • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Thursday January 19 2017, @06:05PM

            by RS3 (6367) on Thursday January 19 2017, @06:05PM (#456128)

            Yes, and there's more! Once you have that protective SAG card, the FBI will go after anyone you accuse of stealing / pirating your works, even in other countries. That SAG card has far more power than people realize. And with it you can never be held accountable for shouting "FIRE!" in a crowded theater- you will always be able to say "it was in the script" and "I was just doing my job" and you're off the hook, no matter how many people were trampled.

      • (Score: 2) by mcgrew on Thursday January 19 2017, @06:21PM

        by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Thursday January 19 2017, @06:21PM (#456138) Homepage Journal

        It was in the news a while back. From what I remember, he actually built it in the back of a van.

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        • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Thursday January 19 2017, @08:55PM

          by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday January 19 2017, @08:55PM (#456220)

          Did he at least kill a chihuahua or some other deserving test subject before getting arrested? I mean, it could have been a science experiment to try to talk with aliens and he was just talking about other potential uses for it...

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          • (Score: 2) by mcgrew on Sunday January 22 2017, @09:36PM

            by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Sunday January 22 2017, @09:36PM (#457441) Homepage Journal

            From what I remember, the thing didn't work but since he had tried to kill someone with it, he was charged with attempted murder.

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            • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Monday January 23 2017, @04:26AM

              by JoeMerchant (3937) on Monday January 23 2017, @04:26AM (#457537)

              O.K. - I'll buy attempted terror, kind of like buying a gun you don't know how to use and trying to shoot someone.

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    • (Score: 3, Informative) by driverless on Thursday January 19 2017, @04:15AM

      by driverless (4770) on Thursday January 19 2017, @04:15AM (#455882)

      It's an inventive idea, and probably completely untraceable.

      Also completely nuts. Substitute "alien death ray" for "portable X-ray" to put the story into perspective. I guess if you built the thing into a large semi-trailer truck and persuaded your victims to sit inside an irradiation chamber for some time while you cooked them one after the other you could make it work, but he obviously wasn't planning on doing that. So the appropriate response would have been to institutionalise him and treat him for his mental health issues, not to imprison him for 30 years.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by driverless on Thursday January 19 2017, @04:21AM

        by driverless (4770) on Thursday January 19 2017, @04:21AM (#455884)

        Argh, forgot to add: You can buy portable wireless-controlled X-ray devices off the shelf from any number of vendors. Here's one [or-technology.com], for example. It's the power levels that are the problem, a portable device capable of harming humans on any kind of scale would need a semi-trailer at least. And for all that effort you'd get less of a useful effect than a stick of blasting dynamite with a few nails taped to it. As I said above, the guy needs mental health treatment, not an FBI investigation and 30 years in prison.

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by Beryllium Sphere (r) on Thursday January 19 2017, @09:28AM

        by Beryllium Sphere (r) (5062) on Thursday January 19 2017, @09:28AM (#455974)

        Yep -- people forget that air absorbs X-rays. A well-chosen wavelength can go 15 meters before dropping to 37% intensity: http://pd.chem.ucl.ac.uk/pdnn/diff2/abs.htm, [ucl.ac.uk] and a poorly chosen one only one meter.

        Wasn't he talking about parking on the street next to the target? Air and building materials would both be in the way. Drywall is a better absorber than you might expect. Calcium is not a heavy element but not a light one either.

        It's not "shielding" as you'd understand the term of course.

        Now, if he took money on the pretense that it could work, then a fraud or false advertising prosecution might be in order.

  • (Score: 2) by tibman on Wednesday January 18 2017, @09:38PM

    by tibman (134) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 18 2017, @09:38PM (#455696)

    Wizards are just FBI spies? Okay then. Also, anyone else laugh when the Judge cuts off Crawford's rant and says “You are bizarre.” The guy does seem a bit crazy and he didn't actually build an X-Ray weapon.

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    • (Score: 2) by wisnoskij on Wednesday January 18 2017, @09:48PM

      by wisnoskij (5149) <reversethis-{moc ... ksonsiwnohtanoj}> on Wednesday January 18 2017, @09:48PM (#455705)

      Seriously, first he went to the Jews, and when they turned him down he went to the KKK, for support. The guy clearly is insane, and likely not stable enough to even create a working weapon.

      • (Score: 2) by Arik on Wednesday January 18 2017, @09:57PM

        by Arik (4543) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @09:57PM (#455713) Journal
        I'm not saying the guy isn't insane, but going first to jews then to a kkk grand wizard isn't necessarily a sign of insanity - it makes sense, he was clearly going to people he hoped shared his goal of killing muslims.

        Of course anyone who hears 'KKK Grand Wizard' without immediately thinking 'Confidential Informant' isn't too *smart*, but stupidity and insanity are separate items.
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      • (Score: 2) by captain normal on Wednesday January 18 2017, @10:33PM

        by captain normal (2205) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @10:33PM (#455742)

        Yeah, Agreed, don't you actually have to make a real weapon of mass destruction before being convicted of a crime?

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        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by takyon on Wednesday January 18 2017, @10:38PM

          by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Wednesday January 18 2017, @10:38PM (#455747) Journal

          In the new era of FBI entrapment, they will hand you, a mentally ill male, gray Play-Doh, tell you it's an explosive, and convict you for wiring it to a potato and an off-brand smartwatch.

          Hmm, maybe they will splurge for a Misfit smartwatch just to write a funnier report.

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          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Thursday January 19 2017, @01:04AM

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 19 2017, @01:04AM (#455811) Journal

            ^^ that ^^

            If law enforcement can entrap some misfit without a clue, it makes their numbers look better. 3 convictions of cranks this year, sounds a lot better than no terrorist activity noted. But, the FBI isn't going to use the words crank, misfit, or clueless fool in their descriptions of the victims. There has been more than one story of people indicted, who didn't understand the most basic of electrical circuits, much less the intricacies or wiring a bomb.

            Meanwhile, the Boston Marathon bombers had their shit together, and despite warnings from Russia, they were permitted to carry out their plans.

            Security theater sure can be entertaining.

          • (Score: 3, Informative) by dry on Thursday January 19 2017, @06:15AM

            by dry (223) on Thursday January 19 2017, @06:15AM (#455919) Journal

            The question is why aren't the courts throwing these cases out? Here we had the RCMP do similar. Being Canada they picked a couple (equal rights) of junkies and gave them pressure cookers, tickets to the island and lots of other support including grey play-doh. While found guilty by a jury, the Judge stayed the proceedings, saying amongst other things,

            In her conclusion, Bruce wrote: "Simply put, the world has enough terrorists. We do not need the police to create more out of marginalized people who have neither the capacity nor sufficient motivation to do it themselves."

            http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/nuttall-and-korody-free-after-b-c-judge-overturns-terror-convictions-1.3700599 [www.cbc.ca]

          • (Score: 2) by pendorbound on Thursday January 19 2017, @02:47PM

            by pendorbound (2688) on Thursday January 19 2017, @02:47PM (#456056) Homepage
            Hey now... Potatoes can be DANGEROUS [deviantart.com]!
    • (Score: 4, Funny) by nobu_the_bard on Wednesday January 18 2017, @09:54PM

      by nobu_the_bard (6373) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @09:54PM (#455710)

      There's a long running joke that the only real KKK members left come in two sorts: the real ones that never show up or pay dues, and FBI informants that attend every meeting and always pay on time.

      • (Score: 2) by number11 on Wednesday January 18 2017, @11:51PM

        by number11 (1170) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 18 2017, @11:51PM (#455779)

        Yeah, can't keep a good joke down. Back in the 1950s and 1960s that was a joke about the US Communist Party.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18 2017, @11:55PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18 2017, @11:55PM (#455782)

          Careful with that joke, son, it's an antique.

        • (Score: 2) by art guerrilla on Thursday January 19 2017, @12:09AM

          by art guerrilla (3082) on Thursday January 19 2017, @12:09AM (#455790)

          except it was found out that about 10% of the cpa *was* feeb informants...

      • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Thursday January 19 2017, @01:09AM

        by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday January 19 2017, @01:09AM (#455817)

        The spirit of the KKK is alive and well in Gainesville, Florida - at least it was in 2007 when red paint and racial slurs were left on the houses of a handful of Asian residents. Not quite a burning cross, but I guess they're just a little more cowardly now than they used to be back when.

        The Ku Klux Klan became active in Gainesville in the early 1920s. As elsewhere, it was anti-black, anti-semitic, and anti-Catholic, and professed to uphold morality. In an early incident, a worker was kidnapped from his job late at night and beaten severely for neglecting his wife and children. A police officer had tried to intervene, but retreated when guns were drawn. City officials condoned the incident. Former mayor William Reuben Thomas condemned the event and called for the mayor and police chief, who apparently were members of the Klan, to step down, to no avail. The Klan also objected to a Catholic priest who had organized a drama club at the University, and in 1923 Catholic priests were officially banned from all state college campuses. The next year three men in full Klan regalia kidnapped the priest from his rectory, beat him severely, and castrated him. The priest and another witness identified two of the kidnappers as the mayor and police chief of Gainesville, but there was no publicity and no investigation of the incident. In the 1930s the Klan took credit for burning down the houses of prostitution on North Main Street, ostensibly to protect the morals of the students at the University.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gainesville,_Florida [wikipedia.org]

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by jIyajbe on Wednesday January 18 2017, @09:43PM

    by jIyajbe (5615) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @09:43PM (#455700)

    Alternative moral of the story: Don't make plans to kill people.

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    • (Score: 1) by nitehawk214 on Wednesday January 18 2017, @10:42PM

      by nitehawk214 (1304) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @10:42PM (#455749)

      Better Moral: Don't make plans.

      Brb sitting on my couch and watching hockey.

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      • (Score: 2, Funny) by Eristone on Wednesday January 18 2017, @11:50PM

        by Eristone (4775) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @11:50PM (#455778)

        I don't make plans any more - because the Prosecutor keeps using the word "Premeditated" in their Grand Jury filings.

    • (Score: 2) by Some call me Tim on Thursday January 19 2017, @05:13AM

      by Some call me Tim (5819) on Thursday January 19 2017, @05:13AM (#455895)

      Really? +5 Insightful? Do you folks have any idea how many Government contractors are doing this very thing at this moment and getting paid millions for their effort? Think about that.

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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by VLM on Wednesday January 18 2017, @09:46PM

    by VLM (445) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @09:46PM (#455704)

    There are weird aspects to this case. Some of the write up implies he's being punished for a thought crime, others that he built a timer. The FBI is famous for entraping mentally ill people so I hope this dude isn't like playing with playdough and next thing you know some anti-terror careers are being made because his playdough was in the shape of a gun or in this case in the shape of an xray tube.

    Building a battery powered portable xray machine is difficult but obviously technically possible because they're COTS. They're used for nondestructive testing NDT of weird structural welds like nuke power plant or some bridge someplace. I donno if the battery would run long enough to actually kill someone. It takes a surprising amount of diagnostic xray to kill someone as you'd likely expect. I suppose the "hack" would be simply bolting on a larger battery that would run long enough.

    I have no idea why someone would build a portable xray source when it sounds a lot easier to illegally buy one or steal one from a welding specialty shop. They are not cheap which is probably a part of the issue.

    Possibly the dude is getting busted for weaponizing a portable NDT xray source, you know, using scary black rifle parts to aim it, he used a barrel shorter than 16 inches, maybe it has a bayonet lug, etc.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by LoRdTAW on Thursday January 19 2017, @12:02AM

      by LoRdTAW (3755) on Thursday January 19 2017, @12:02AM (#455787) Journal

      It sounds so impractical that I can't see it ever becoming an effective portable stealth weapon. Attenuation through air at any large distance would mean power output would have to be pretty high. Higher output power requires more input power draining batteries or requiring mains AC power. Not sure of the output radiation pattern, I'd assume it's not directional meaning more power drop off. And how was he going to dose people? Tell them to stand still? You couldn't get that much radiation through a building wall without high powers.

      This guy is the Rube Goldberg of domestic terrorism.

      • (Score: 2) by dyingtolive on Thursday January 19 2017, @01:39AM

        by dyingtolive (952) on Thursday January 19 2017, @01:39AM (#455831)

        Masquerade as an AC/heater guy and install them in ductwork in mosques or something? It's about the only place I can think of that the hum would go unnoticed. You could then run the wires long the duct to get at the mains. I have no idea what amount of power you'd need though. I don't know a lot about xrays, but this is probably one of those inverse square law things right? If so, maybe he should have been thinking about ruining his enemies through causing them large amounts of power consumption instead.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 19 2017, @05:24PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 19 2017, @05:24PM (#456108)

          Why would you use x-rays when microwaves work much better?

          High intensity 433-900mhz microwave transmitters, for a satellite uplink, radar, or industrial microwave should be more than powerful enough to get through a wall of a nearby building and could cause delayed physical injury and death after you had departed the scene of the crime. On the other hand, the FCC should have no problem noticing the huge amount of white noise your transmissions would cause at power levels great enough to kill a human. But if you wanted to make a 'death ray', microwaves make a hell of a lot more sense than X-rays and could actually do what was advertised. Proof: Story from an ex-microwave tech for the army who had two buddies die after sitting next to a portable low frequency microwave transmitter or portable ground radar unit which turned out to have been powered on. They finished lunch, complained about feeling warm, got taken to the medic and proceeded to cook from the inside out. Apparently the heat caused by the microwaves took a while to spread out, and caused a cascade of organ failures, the brain, I assume, being the most critical of those.

          Two other often overlooked details: Lasers were an evolution of Masers (Microwave Lasers), and these specific kinds of directed energy weapons have been banned by the Geneva conventions exactly BECAUSE they understand how they work and what a horrible form of death it is.

          Having said all that, given this guy's level of crazy, it sounds like he should probably be in an mental hospital getting treatment rather than locked up in GP with people who will either want to murder him, or help him achieve the goal.

    • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday January 19 2017, @12:25PM

      by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday January 19 2017, @12:25PM (#456007) Journal

      I'm coming up dry with Google at the moment but if it's the same case and I remember correctly, he had got the equipment from a dentist's office. I believe his idea was to put it in a van.

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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Grishnakh on Wednesday January 18 2017, @09:50PM

    by Grishnakh (2831) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @09:50PM (#455707)

    The only problem I have here is that this guy just sounds like a kook, and not necessarily someone who could have pulled off his plans.

    If I run around saying I'm going to build an army of sentient, artificially-intelligent drones armed with phasers (yes, the Star Trek variety which fire faster-than-light energy beams) and powered by zero-point quantum-fluctuation energy with antigravity propulsion systems to seek out and wipe out people I don't like, is that really enough to toss me in prison for 30 years? Clearly, neither I nor anyone else on this planet actually has this ability with present technology; it's purely sci-fi and quite possibly physically impossible in this universe.

    Did this guy actually build anything at all? Did he have the reasonable ability to? Or was he just making up wild stuff? Because if he didn't actually present a clear and present threat, then this really amounts to "thoughtcrime".

    • (Score: 2) by nobu_the_bard on Wednesday January 18 2017, @09:58PM

      by nobu_the_bard (6373) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @09:58PM (#455717)

      Your real mistake is not shopping your dream weapon to the armed forces first, then the police. If your funding idea is "people with lots of money, lots of enemies, and not a lot of compunctions" as I assume his was (he's probably the sort that believes in the worldwide jewish conspiracy and thinks the KKK aren't a joke) then there's nobody better suited than the government itself.

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by krishnoid on Wednesday January 18 2017, @10:36PM

      by krishnoid (1156) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @10:36PM (#455746)

      If I run around saying I'm going to build an army of sentient, artificially-intelligent drones armed with phasers (yes, the Star Trek variety which fire faster-than-light energy beams) and powered by zero-point quantum-fluctuation energy with antigravity propulsion systems to seek out and wipe out people I don't like ...

      Then I'd have to say that your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 19 2017, @12:20AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 19 2017, @12:20AM (#455796)

      The only problem I have here is that this guy just sounds like a kook

      Its just one more data point that proves Islam is such a perverted religion that it makes even the infidels go crazy!

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 19 2017, @05:07PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 19 2017, @05:07PM (#456104)

      If your job is to fight terrorism and there are virtually no terrorists to be found then your choice is to either be bad at your job or invent some terrorists. Motivated people like the kind that become FBI agents don't like to be bad at their job.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18 2017, @09:55PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18 2017, @09:55PM (#455711)

    The moral of this story? Trust no one and do it yourself.

    Only if you are completely devoid of a moral compass, or basic humanity.

    The moral of the story is not "do it yourself" (subtext: "don't get caught"), the moral of the story is don't seek to create a weapon of mass destruction and murder countless numbers of your fellow humans. Or else.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18 2017, @10:06PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18 2017, @10:06PM (#455722)
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 19 2017, @02:47AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 19 2017, @02:47AM (#455854)

        LOL, hi Aristarchus, ever manage to get that gerbil out of your ass?

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18 2017, @10:07PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18 2017, @10:07PM (#455724)

      That's right. Irradiating the general public to no meaningful end is the TSA's job. Leave it to the professionals.

      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday January 19 2017, @12:26PM

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday January 19 2017, @12:26PM (#456008) Journal

        He planned to fondle his victims' genitals, too?

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    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday January 18 2017, @10:34PM

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Wednesday January 18 2017, @10:34PM (#455745) Journal

      weapon of mass destruction

      A term with oodles of meaning as applied in this case.

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      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday January 19 2017, @12:27PM

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday January 19 2017, @12:27PM (#456009) Journal

        That term is so odious and vapid. I want to go back to "ABC weapons" (Atomic Biological Chemical).

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        • (Score: 2) by Kromagv0 on Thursday January 19 2017, @02:15PM

          by Kromagv0 (1825) on Thursday January 19 2017, @02:15PM (#456045) Homepage

          From all the military people I had met they all referred to it as NBC (nuclear, biological, checmical) and then the alternate meaning of No Body Cares.

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    • (Score: 4, Funny) by Bot on Wednesday January 18 2017, @11:35PM

      by Bot (3902) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @11:35PM (#455771) Journal

      The moral of the story is that if everybody had its portable X ray gun, people would be nicer to each others.

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      • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18 2017, @11:57PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18 2017, @11:57PM (#455784)

        Mobile x-ray guns don't kill people, people kill people.

      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 19 2017, @12:17AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 19 2017, @12:17AM (#455794)

         

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Ellis D. Tripp on Thursday January 19 2017, @12:34AM

    by Ellis D. Tripp (3416) on Thursday January 19 2017, @12:34AM (#455801)
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  • (Score: 2) by Some call me Tim on Thursday January 19 2017, @12:58AM

    by Some call me Tim (5819) on Thursday January 19 2017, @12:58AM (#455810)

    Did anyone else read the summary and have a flashback to the movie The Jerk? "Hey Mr. Hartunian, these cans are defective!" "It's not defective cans, it's a defective person!"
    Mind Blown :-D

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by jmorris on Thursday January 19 2017, @01:12AM

    by jmorris (4844) on Thursday January 19 2017, @01:12AM (#455822)

    Ok, I can see getting this moron off the street before he manages to come up with a more practical way to kill people. But WMD? Not seeing it. At any power levels some random asshole is likely to generate you would be beaming X-Rays into your victim for hours and hope he dies in weeks to months. Devious way to kill someone it might be, mass destruction it ain't. Seems to me like you could kill a lot more masses with an off the shelf rifle and with a lot less expense and effort. (And of course you would kill twice as many if it is black and has a folding stock because... ASSAULT RIFLE!!! And if it has a lug for a bayonet too, I wouldn't want to even contemplate the body count one could achieve.)

  • (Score: 0, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 19 2017, @01:18AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 19 2017, @01:18AM (#455825)

    ...someone better than General John Kelly to run the Department of Homeland Security.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 19 2017, @01:56AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 19 2017, @01:56AM (#455837)

    The upside is I got free dental x-rays

  • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Thursday January 19 2017, @03:44AM

    by RS3 (6367) on Thursday January 19 2017, @03:44AM (#455876)

    In their never-ending moronic witch-hunt way they've now broadcast the idea to all crazies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect [wikipedia.org]

    • (Score: 2) by Some call me Tim on Thursday January 19 2017, @05:05AM

      by Some call me Tim (5819) on Thursday January 19 2017, @05:05AM (#455893)

      Not really. The entire WMD premise is total bullshit. This thing would have to be carefully focused to be a threat to a single person who was happy to remain in one place for a long period of time. If this nut can get a halfway decent lawyer, most of these charges will be dropped. The person bringing the charges needs a humiliating kick in the crotch. Go look up x-ray exposure levels for domestic airline flights. Those are probably higher than what you would get from the side lobes of anything this idiot could design.

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      • (Score: 2, Funny) by tftp on Thursday January 19 2017, @06:04AM

        by tftp (806) on Thursday January 19 2017, @06:04AM (#455915) Homepage

        This thing would have to be carefully focused to be a threat to a single person who was happy to remain in one place for a long period of time.

        Readers of SN are largely sitting still in one place during their whole career.

      • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Thursday January 19 2017, @06:24AM

        by RS3 (6367) on Thursday January 19 2017, @06:24AM (#455920)

        People keep misunderstanding my posts here.

        I used the term "witch-hunt" hoping it would be understood that when something is referred to as a witch-hunt, it means the hunters, who are generally police, prosecutors, FBI, etc., make themselves look really bad. It's over-zealous policing and prosecution to the point that it's obvious that the hunters are hell-bent on crucifying someone. They're so caught up in their hunter rage that they're not really sane, rational, thinking clearly, etc. Their target gets far more punishment than they deserve. Sometimes the witch-hunters pull out guns and kill people on the spot. Most sane people see it for what it is, but sadly we're pretty much powerless to change it.

        Also in my post I was trying to be funny- I've always thought the name "Streisand Effect" is really funny because of the story of what it means and who it's based on.

        In case you didn't read the original article, the guy worked at GE Power in Schenectady and probably has enough technical knowledge to make something functional. The fact remains that they've brought media attention to the x-ray weapon idea, and thereby spread the idea more.

  • (Score: 2) by bradley13 on Thursday January 19 2017, @09:54AM

    by bradley13 (3053) on Thursday January 19 2017, @09:54AM (#455978) Homepage Journal

    And I don't mean on the part of the guy spending the next 30 years in jail.

    First, this appears to be another case of someone being encouraged by an FBI informant. Crazy guy with a crazy idea - let's encourage him, so we can claim to have nailed another "terrorist".

    Second, you have to love the definition of a "weapon of mass destruction" [fbi.gov]. Did you know that an ordinary hand grenade qualifies? Any "weapon" involving poison, even if it's only enough to attack a single person. Any weapon that releases radiation (the case here), again, even if it only targets a single person. In other words, anything above the level of a single bullet qualifies.

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    • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday January 19 2017, @12:38PM

      by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday January 19 2017, @12:38PM (#456012) Journal

      Second, you have to love the definition of a "weapon of mass destruction" [fbi.gov]. Did you know that an ordinary hand grenade qualifies? Any "weapon" involving poison, even if it's only enough to attack a single person. Any weapon that releases radiation (the case here), again, even if it only targets a single person. In other words, anything above the level of a single bullet qualifies.

      Exactly. It's a vapid term meant as a blanket scare word. Ooooh, a weapon of MASS destruction. It begs to be mocked, as do those who use it seriously. The guy in Nice who drove the semi through the crowded boardwalk and killed lots of people, was he using a "weapon of mass destruction," too? We should go back to "ABC weapon" because it is descriptive and accurate without being alarmist. Saddam Hussein used an ABC weapon against the Kurds in Iraq. Aum Shinrikyo used an ABC weapon in the Tokyo subway.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 19 2017, @07:37PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 19 2017, @07:37PM (#456171)
        ABC? I think you got the wrong channel ;).
        • (Score: 1) by Tara Li on Thursday January 19 2017, @09:04PM

          by Tara Li (6248) on Thursday January 19 2017, @09:04PM (#456226)

          ABC, NBC, CBS... They're all lethally stupid these days, and yet people end up paying huge bucks per month to get them delivered to their home...

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 19 2017, @05:39PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 19 2017, @05:39PM (#456114)

    Would be something like a coal fired electrical plant providing power.
    You require the destruction of some physical element - coal.
    Take the electricity produced and power a lightbulb.
    Photons are massless particles.
    So you destroyed some mass and your product is now massless.
    Sounds like a weapon of mass destruction to me.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 20 2017, @03:44PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 20 2017, @03:44PM (#456568)

      *sniff* Nobody pointed out that my example is wrong, because no matter was destroyed - its components were changed and the energy transferred, but you cannot destroy matter by any known mechanism. Conservation of mass. (Matter is neither created nor destroyed, and if you can't destroy it then how do you destroy its mass?) Thus, there are no weapons capable of mass destruction.
      Soylentnews has gone to the dogs. :( (Or maybe everyone thought that was so elementary that nobody thought to point it out. Yes, I prefer to think Soylentils would be in that category instead. Or perhaps I'd like a nice cup of tea. Yes, that seems more likely.)

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 19 2017, @05:41PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 19 2017, @05:41PM (#456117)

    They are beneficial.
    I'm sorry to any of you who live in Boston or are otherwise fine citizens living in the area.... But your state does not deserve to exist. It is a place that just should not be.
    Encourage Weapons of Mass. Destruction!!!!!