Multiple sites are reporting on a recent article in Der Spiegel about what might be the largest cartel case in German economic history. Automakers VW, Audi, Porsche, BMW, and Daimler are alleged to have coordinated in secret since the 1990s regarding, among other things, diesel emission cheating.
- German carmakers may have colluded on diesel systems: Spiegel
- German magazine alleges decades of improper practice to fix costs and discuss diesel emissions
- German Carmakers Can't Catch a Break as Next Scandal Looms Large
- German carmakers Volkswagen, Audi, BMW 'colluded' on diesel emissions: Report
Source (in German): http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/volkswagen-audi-porsche-bmw-und-daimler-unter-kartellverdacht-a-1159052.html
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(Score: 2) by Snotnose on Sunday July 23 2017, @01:57AM (7 children)
I have my portable chair and my popcorn, but am not sure which way to look to see the fireworks.
/ love my rear wheel drive Infiniti G37
// can't see me ever driving a front wheel drive ever again
/// nor a car where you can't tell if it's floored, or if the engine has died
//// as with most things, YMMV
When the dust settled America realized it was saved by a porn star.
(Score: 2) by Whoever on Sunday July 23 2017, @02:25AM (2 children)
Really, this wasn't hard to predict. Does anyone think that all the manufacturers don't test the competitors' cars?
(Score: 4, Interesting) by frojack on Sunday July 23 2017, @02:42AM (1 child)
Testing doesn't necessarily reveal the kind of defeat code buried in the engine and transmission computers.
Besides, they were all buying the same software from Bosch, and that's where I would start looking for collusion. Most of these car companies don't actually have that level of software development in house.
Hey Bosch, we use the same transmission as those other guys, how come they get better milage? In fact the first company probably leaked it to the others just so they won't have to explain their numbers.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @11:15AM
Let's not be so naive. If Company A cheats on their emissions via this type of defeat code then they know how to test Company B's cars to see if they also use a similar method of cheating. They don't need access to the code, just testing the vehicle differently.
I wonder if this cooperation resulted in competition to develop better methods of cheating rather than better diesel engines.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @02:28AM (2 children)
Look toward Berlin. It's like Mecca for Nazis.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @04:02AM (1 child)
Look towards Jerusalem. It is burning. It's like Mecca for Khazarian Jew Scum.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @04:32AM
Look to Mecca. It's Mecca for mooslim towelheads.
(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Sunday July 23 2017, @07:36PM
can't see me ever driving a front wheel drive ever again
Why? I grew up on rear wheel drive, and the change to front wheel drive was a distinct advantage iin many ways, especially in snow. And no damned hump in the floor for the drive shaft. My only problem with front wheel drive was to relearn how to get out of a skid, but it didn't take long.
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(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @02:07AM
An earlier story [soylentnews.org] said Mercedes-Benz, Honda, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Renault, Nissan, Hyundai, Citroen, Fiat, Volvo and Jeep diesel cars emitted "significantly more pollution on the road than in regulatory tests."
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @02:33AM (4 children)
Where's Tesla? Musk is our hero, our precious.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @02:35AM (3 children)
Who's John Galt?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @02:39AM (2 children)
The difference is billionaire playboy Elon Musk is not in any danger of dying alone in a hotel room and deeply in debt. Musk is too fucking greedy and doesn't deserve to use the name Tesla. Fuck Musk.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @04:05AM
We can call Tesla cars "Muskas".
Q: Hey, what do you drive?
A: I drive a Muska.
(Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Sunday July 23 2017, @04:51PM
There is also no direct proof that Tesla invented many of the inventions people claim he invented. In fact, some are outright false. Search for "tesla man vs myth" and you will find a few sources. The top most link should be the Tesla Debunked article on the Edison Tech Center website. It lists the myths and the true names of inventors and the sources. Not that I'm 100% convinced that a pro Edison site is telling the complete truth either but there is a lot of BS regarding the man's history.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @02:44AM (1 child)
The Kriegsgefangenen-Mannschafts-Stammlagers are still open. And "clean" exhaust is extremely inefficient.
Arbeit macht frei!
Sieg Freud!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @05:12PM
VW, Audi, Porsche, BMW, and Daimler's parent company is NMC.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @04:14AM (3 children)
Rules that were designed to keep outside makers out of the market. The ones who designed the rules are criminals and must be exposed and punished.
Now we know for sure the diesel emissions tests were impossible to pass.
That is how they steal our future. Make tests easy for school children so the jewish children "little jews" can pass. Make tests for engineers that are impossible to pass.
In all the MSM coverage, I did not see anyone questioning the diesel emissions tests themselves, or maybe I missed a huge story exposing jews who made sure their favourite companies keep stealing money from their victims.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday July 23 2017, @04:43AM (2 children)
"the diesel emissions tests were impossible to pass"
No, you don't know that at all. You know for certain that it was CHEAPER to fake passing them, than to actually pass them. The VW Golf passes the most stringent EU tests, even when the journalist drivers are working had to make it fail. https://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/07/a-diesel-emissions-test-you-cant-game-we-try-it-out/ [arstechnica.com]
The only reason the scandal happened, is that people were making money by beating the system. Cost has little or nothing to do with whether a goal is achievable, it only motivates the people involved to either work harder, or to cheat. Most auto manufacturers CHOSE TO CHEAT.
I was looking to see which auto manufacturers DID NOT CHEAT, and I'm not finding anything. Improper search terms, I suppose. Or, maybe they were all cheating.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @05:29AM
*GASP* Say it is't so...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @07:09AM
And people were saying bad things about cheating in cycling.... seems it's our nature to cheat while proclaiming loudly we don't. Hell, just look at the US President. Prime example of a cheater.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @07:07AM
Bosch had taken over DI tech from Fiat, but it was Peugeot that was considered the leader in passenger so-called "clean diesel" engines.
(Score: 2) by kaszz on Sunday July 23 2017, @07:45AM
Maybe if they didn't get punished for reading articles [soylentnews.org] it could all been avoided. Hohoohoo :P
The categories on hydrocarbon combustion and quality assurance organization could be a starter ;-)
(Score: 3, Insightful) by mcgrew on Sunday July 23 2017, @07:41PM
I remember when corporations could cheat their heads off without ever being found out. Good old days? Hardly! Anyone who thinks things were better fifty years ago either weren't alive then, or have serious long-term memory problems.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @08:22PM
These companies' death squads/hit depts are woefully underfunded.