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posted by takyon on Wednesday October 24 2018, @04:25PM   Printer-friendly
from the hate-machine dept.

Three Explosive Devices Sent to Clintons, Obama and CNN Offices

Explosive devices were sent to former President Barack Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, as well as to CNN's offices in New York, sparking an intense investigation on Wednesday into whether a bomber is going after targets that have often been the subject of right-wing ire.

A law enforcement official said the three devices were similar to one found Monday at the home of George Soros, the billionaire philanthropist and liberal donor.

[...] The device sent to CNN was contained in a manila envelope addressed to John Brennan, who was the C.I.A. director in the Obama administration and is a harsh critic of Mr. Trump. The president revoked Mr. Brennan's security clearance in what was seen as an act of retribution. The return address bore the name of Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a Florida congresswoman who formerly headed the Democratic National Committee.

In a statement, the White House condemned "the attempted violent attacks."

Update 1: The explosive devices have been described as pipe bombs. New York Governor Andrew Cuomo says that a device was also sent to his office.

Update 2:

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo's spokesman has identified the device sent to his office, originally believed to be suspicious, as a thumb drive containing files on the far right group Proud Boys. It does not appear to be related to the explosive devices.

[...] Another suspicious package has been intercepted at a Congressional mail screening facility in Capitol Heights, Maryland, according to CNN. [...] ABC News reported the package was addressed to Rep. Maxine Waters, a California Democrat.

Live updates at The Guardian.


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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday October 25 2018, @02:13PM (10 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 25 2018, @02:13PM (#753655) Journal

    Actually, it is a nice reminder that homegrown terrorists have always, but for one exception, been a bigger threat than foreign brown/religious invaders.

    When you include the exception (the four 911 attacks), it goes the other way, of course.

  • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday October 25 2018, @04:20PM (5 children)

    by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 25 2018, @04:20PM (#753705) Journal

    No. The exception was Britain, which around 1812 burned the White House, and had nearly (a bit of a guess here) 1/5 of the population in sympathy or active support. (A couple of decades earlier is was about 1/3 of the population, but I'm guessing that the support had decreased.)

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    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday October 25 2018, @11:55PM (4 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 25 2018, @11:55PM (#753929) Journal

      but I'm guessing that the support had decreased

      I'd say such support dropped by an order of magnitude when the war was lost (both to Tories leaving/fleeing the US and due to former Tories acclimating to the new situation) and then was further diluted by immigration.

      • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Friday October 26 2018, @04:05PM (3 children)

        by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 26 2018, @04:05PM (#754134) Journal

        Even so, there would have been a huge number of armed supporters of the British.

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        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday October 28 2018, @01:16AM (2 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday October 28 2018, @01:16AM (#754574) Journal
          A few percent versus the claimed third.
          • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Sunday October 28 2018, @03:57PM (1 child)

            by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Sunday October 28 2018, @03:57PM (#754686) Journal

            The 1/3 was the claim for during the revolutionary war. It was probably correct, though it doesn't measure the degree of commitment. Most people are always in favor of the status quo, and a large number will always be in favor of the imagined older status. (Actually, I should have said imagined status quo, as inevitably people have a very skewed idea of the current state of affairs.)

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            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday October 30 2018, @11:31AM

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday October 30 2018, @11:31AM (#755577) Journal
              The War of 1812 was from a generation later than the Revolutionary War with vastly less support for the British. There were no notable acts of home-grown terrorism in support of the British from that time despite the war being very unpopular in the US.
  • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Thursday October 25 2018, @04:38PM (3 children)

    by bob_super (1357) on Thursday October 25 2018, @04:38PM (#753719)

    That's the way stats are supposed to work.
    You recognize the existence of the big discontinuity in your data, treat it as as important or a fluke as it deserves, but then crunch the numbers to get real short/mid/long trends without the bias and std_dev caused by the big blip.

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday October 25 2018, @11:47PM (2 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 25 2018, @11:47PM (#753923) Journal

      treat it as as important

      Ok, why wasn't that treated as important?

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by bob_super on Friday October 26 2018, @12:34AM (1 child)

        by bob_super (1357) on Friday October 26 2018, @12:34AM (#753941)

        It's only cost you most of your freedoms, that should qualify as important enough.

        Yet, the obsession about a single huge event (including the president lying about middle-east terrorists infiltrating the incoming group of asylum seekers) is hiding the statistical reality that them goatfuckers still lag far behind proud Americans in the business of terrorizing and killing Americans.

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday October 26 2018, @01:10AM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 26 2018, @01:10AM (#753955) Journal

          It's only cost you most of your freedoms, that should qualify as important enough.

          You are missing the point. 911 attacks were at a far more damaging level than any other terrorist attack done in US history. And the parties responsible for the attacks have done little to the US since despite having considerable resources at the time of the 911 attacks.

          Yet, the obsession about a single huge event (including the president lying about middle-east terrorists infiltrating the incoming group of asylum seekers) is hiding the statistical reality that them goatfuckers still lag far behind proud Americans in the business of terrorizing and killing Americans.

          Patently false. After all, "goatfuckers" did the 911 attacks not the local talent which has yet to do anything approaching that in planning, logistics, or manpower.

          The problem here is not that there is an extreme event, but rather that there wasn't more such events. One interpretation, which you employ, is that this means that somehow the one extreme event can be safely ignored, despite the presence of a network capable of generating further such attacks. What is missed is that the US changed its anti-terrorism strategy and tactics in response to 911. I think that's a glaring sign that something worked very well in preventing those further 911-like attacks.

          My view is that a large portion of humanity cares more about security than freedom. Ignoring what works to make people more secure in reality can be a fatal weakness for pro-freedom advocates. Hidden in the midst of all this security theater were some approaches that actually worked.

          Finally, it's silly to observe that 911 "cost you most of your freedoms" and then pump up the terrorist paranoia about local terrorists. That "cost you most of your freedoms" too. Choosing native bogeymen instead of foreign ones isn't going to be easier on freedom.