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Three Explosive Devices Sent to Clintons, Obama and CNN Offices
Explosive devices were sent to former President Barack Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, as well as to CNN's offices in New York, sparking an intense investigation on Wednesday into whether a bomber is going after targets that have often been the subject of right-wing ire.
A law enforcement official said the three devices were similar to one found Monday at the home of George Soros, the billionaire philanthropist and liberal donor.
[...] The device sent to CNN was contained in a manila envelope addressed to John Brennan, who was the C.I.A. director in the Obama administration and is a harsh critic of Mr. Trump. The president revoked Mr. Brennan's security clearance in what was seen as an act of retribution. The return address bore the name of Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a Florida congresswoman who formerly headed the Democratic National Committee.
In a statement, the White House condemned "the attempted violent attacks."
Update 1: The explosive devices have been described as pipe bombs. New York Governor Andrew Cuomo says that a device was also sent to his office.
Update 2:
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo's spokesman has identified the device sent to his office, originally believed to be suspicious, as a thumb drive containing files on the far right group Proud Boys. It does not appear to be related to the explosive devices.
[...] Another suspicious package has been intercepted at a Congressional mail screening facility in Capitol Heights, Maryland, according to CNN. [...] ABC News reported the package was addressed to Rep. Maxine Waters, a California Democrat.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @04:35PM (6 children)
Trump, along with the other talk show wingnuts are stochastic terrorists!
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by c0lo on Wednesday October 24 2018, @04:49PM (5 children)
You mean "chaotic terrorist" (as character alignment)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @05:10PM (2 children)
I've always thought this Joker quote deserved an insightful mod:
Lurking in that quote is a demonstration of relative value of working class lives compared to ruling class lives.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday October 24 2018, @05:22PM
Nah. Lurking in that quote is a demonstration of what humans can become accustomed to.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday October 25 2018, @04:51PM
While I agree with your point, the originals of that quote that I heard featured either an unknown young girl caught in a mine or a kitten in a well. So the original point also stands.
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 5, Informative) by tangomargarine on Wednesday October 24 2018, @05:23PM (1 child)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_no_one_rid_me_of_this_turbulent_priest%3F [wikipedia.org]
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25 2018, @12:11AM
Becket = khashaggy
#MAGAbomber
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday October 24 2018, @04:40PM (2 children)
Related: Soros too - earlier - hand delivered [nytimes.com]
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Unrelated: Mock German fighter plane crashes on California freeway [theguardian.com]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @05:07PM
Debbie Wasserman Schultz was the return address on these, the one originally sent to Eric Holder had an incorrect address and was returned to her office. [miamiherald.com]
(Score: 1) by aniejone on Sunday November 04 2018, @01:38PM
(Score: 3, Touché) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday October 24 2018, @04:43PM (32 children)
This brings to mind that old AA saw about half measures availing us nothing. What good is blowing up Democrats if you're going to leave the Republicans standing?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday October 24 2018, @04:46PM (5 children)
Yeah - agree with the half-assed. It's bad enough to go down in history as an assassin. Going down in history as an incompetent assassin would really suck. Obviously, we have one or more involved in these ineffective bombings.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday October 24 2018, @05:06PM (4 children)
Yeah, assuming they were actually meant to explode. That's not a given though. Could easily have either been a nutjob hater only looking to make them shit their pants or a nutjob sympathizer trying to pull a non-lethal false flag. I expect someone will find out eventually but I have serious doubts as to whether the public ever learn the truth.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @10:40PM (1 child)
I'm the guy who thinks you want to let this place turn into disqus.
Those bombs were made to get intercepted. Google image search "mail bomb" and look at the infographics published by our agencies. They don't have fantastic advice really, and much of it is outdated in the face of miniaturization. It feels like the sort of advice you give when really there isn't much good advice. In reality you'll be lucky if a mailbomb has a few of their red flags... and of course you'd never see ALL of them. Keep in mind that with how crude the bombs are. Keep in mind anyone doing research before their attack would encounter the federal mailbomb information in the course of their search and would of course buy flat rate shipping boxes and shove their greasy, lumpy, oblong, over-postage'd joke of a bomb into the clean, inconspicuous, and properly postage'd flat rate box.
The package was without a doubt designed to look like a mailbomb to anyone who has gone through training.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday October 24 2018, @11:16PM
You think I trust our TLAs to tell us the truth? What site have you been hanging out on?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25 2018, @07:33AM (1 child)
So, a Buzzard operation? Dis-information operations as deployed again the North Vietnamese the Afghans. Tell us more!
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday October 25 2018, @10:40AM
Forget your password or just couldn't be arsed to log in?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by takyon on Wednesday October 24 2018, @04:46PM (25 children)
Maybe the idea is to spark so much anger on one side, that they do the job for you. Call it a Civil War starter kit.
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(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday October 24 2018, @05:01PM (22 children)
Yeah, I was kind of wondering why none of them went off. That's either incredible incompetence (did they not even test a prototype or three?) or they were never intended to detonate. It's just mildly interesting to me which it was; I don't really care either way.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday October 24 2018, @05:13PM (9 children)
I'd like to see a picture. Little tell-tales like machining the outside surface to produce a lot of fragmentation could help to determine just HOW incompetent the incompetents were. You don't simply pack a pipe full of explosive, and add a primer and a timer to it.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday October 24 2018, @05:28PM
We're talking competence here not expertise. Making something that would actually explode and kill whoever was within five feet of it would be good enough to declare competence. A one inch diameter by one foot length iron pipe half full of black powder going off could accomplish that easily.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @05:31PM
CNN had a picture on tv a minute ago, probably on their website by now.
It was just galvanized steel pipe with some unknown trigger device/wires taped to the side. Probably only like 6" of 1" standard pipe. Normal mail envelope.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday October 24 2018, @05:48PM (1 child)
https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1055147149158219778 [twitter.com]
https://twitter.com/PMBreakingNews/status/1055151647213711361 [twitter.com]
There should be a less cropped view of the close-up image floating around somewhere.
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(Score: 2, Informative) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday October 24 2018, @08:04PM
They deleted that tweet, the 2nd. tweet. Too bad! But, new tweet. That says, ISIS put their sticker on the CNN bomb. Put a sticker of ISIS Flag. Which, by the way, it's black but with some white in it -- like Obama. They put the sticker so everybody would know, that one came from ISIS. And possibly, they all came from ISIS. So interesting. So VERY SPECIAL. Obama & Crooked H started that one. Founded ISIS. And now it's looking like ISIS is sending bombs to them!!! twitter.com/PMBreakingNews/status/1055155700618485761 [twitter.com]
(Score: 1, Interesting) by NPC-131072 on Wednesday October 24 2018, @05:57PM (3 children)
Depends on the objective. [nytimes.com] Why would they need to work for Hilary "you cannot be civil" Clinton or Eric "When they go low we kick them" Holder to make political points? Even the most hapless would-be assassins opt for chemical agents. [www.cbc.ca]
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday October 24 2018, @06:20PM (2 children)
If George Soros represents democracy, then I want no part of it. I actually read his biography once upon a time. I simply cannot understand how a man with his background can support communism/socialism/progressivism. He lost something along the way - I guess we could call him "damaged goods". As most of the world measures success, he most certainly is successful. But, he's broken.
That second link is well worth thinking about. Some looney-tune, presumably leftist, sends ground up castor beans to some right wing officials. Might that have been a trigger, for the looney-tune, presumably rightist, who sent these pipe bombs? It may not be rational, but we can follow the twisted logic: "Those lefties have just tried to assassinate our president - it's time for me to act! Gotta kill some lefties, quick!"
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @08:57PM
Truly, you are an idiot, Runaway. Of course you do not understand. You understand so little! It is amazing you do not expire from forgetting to properly chew your food.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by VLM on Wednesday October 24 2018, @09:23PM
Historically similar situations involve "someone" with compromising pictures of him with kiddies or possibly weirder stuff.
Think of the Clinton example, not that stupid of a guy, other than he stuck his dick in every hole he could find until he was eventually owned by someone holding evidence.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25 2018, @07:35AM
Sure you would, you pervert! GTFO!
(Score: 4, Interesting) by takyon on Wednesday October 24 2018, @05:23PM (10 children)
Look at the Unabomber's career [wikipedia.org]. The initial bombs were not fatal, and a couple of them didn't even go off. Towards the end the bombs became more deadly. This evolution took place over almost 2 decades. An amateur mailing bombs around all within the same week or so is probably going to fuck something up. Remember, it's a fail if they explode in the bombmaker's face or en route, so there's a balance to be struck between stability and detonation. Some of these bombs were intercepted before they reached their intended targets. It's possible that detection mechanisms are better these days, everyone's mail is being routinely scanned, or it's just a lot harder to get these to someone with Secret Service protection or mail screening than the relatively unknown targets that Kaczynski chose.
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(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday October 24 2018, @05:30PM (2 children)
Fair enough on the quality of work and detection but, shit, you'd think they'd at least test a few out first to make sure they worked at all. Take pride in your craftsmanship, people!
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @07:15PM (1 child)
You're not impressed with the little photo of John Brennan and the ISIS flag taped to the live explosive CNN photographed? [twitter.com]
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday October 24 2018, @11:20PM
I've been talking admin stuff and watching season 3 of Daredevil. Much more enjoyable than visiting twitter or following news about bombs that didn't do their job.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday October 24 2018, @05:35PM (3 children)
Go with the latter possibility. If someone mails a bomb to you or me, and it doesn't have wires hanging out, it's going to arrive at our house(s). High profile targets have mail sorters in mail rooms working diligently to separate the cruft from the crap.
(Score: 1, Troll) by VLM on Wednesday October 24 2018, @09:19PM (2 children)
Sometimes the simplest explanation makes the most sense.
The FBI likely created and sent all the bombs, so they obviously know where they are; its not difficult for them to make sure they all get found for maximal PR impact.
They can't afford to let any of them actually explode; the FBI spent a lot of time and effort to plant evidence in the bombs they made and sent, and an explosion isn't going to help them frame the "correct" people.
Its likely all detail of the devices will be classified for national security reasons such that we can safely assume none of the devices ever contained explosives, etc. It would be extremely embarrassing during the trial if the explosives were chemically traced back to the BATFE or FBI, so its legally less risky to put nothing but air in the "devices". Even if some brave person wikileaks the classified data, if the devices contain air not explosives, they can not be traced back to government supplied explosives if there is nothing there...
(Score: 2) by crafoo on Wednesday October 24 2018, @11:14PM (1 child)
Interesting times. Interesting at least, in that this has a medium to high probability of being the truth. "conspiracy theory"? Actually, conspiracies happen all the time. Anyone paying attention to what the FBI and CIA admit to doing over the last 50 years will realize that it isn't even a stretch.
(Score: 2) by VLM on Thursday October 25 2018, @08:25PM
Some of the private communications inside the FBI since Trump are pretty chilling, basically a rogue agency working on a coup. Crazy times.
(Score: 3, Informative) by VLM on Wednesday October 24 2018, @09:27PM
Its also worth pointing out that Uncle Ted had weird ideas against modern technology such that a "serious effort" is unlikely to fail, even if some hipster art project making a political/economic statement, historically didn't work out well.
I you insist for political reasons on building your "statement" out of hand carved wood, its gonna be problematic, vs using more modern technology similar to middle eastern IEDs or whatevs.
A more realistic success rate would be like middle eastern IEDs but more successful given more resources, essentially 100% odds of success.
Unless its all a false flag which is of course vastly more likely.
(Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Thursday October 25 2018, @03:17AM (1 child)
One can use a gas chromatograph to detect certain kinds of explosives. For example the suicide bomber's favorite detonator can be made out of Ortho Snail And Slug Death or a certain variety of women's urinary tract infection medicine, and smells just like Formaldehyde because that is what it is made of.
That HMTD is so popular leaves me puzzled as to why military dogs aren't trained to smell it.
With Neutron fluorescence you put a small piece of Plutonium next to a package, and if it has lots of nitrogen it will emit I expect a particular energy of gamma ray. You use a crystal scintillator, a photomultiplier tube and a multichannel analyzer to graph the spectrum of the gamma. If it's the nitrogen fluorescence there will be a sharp peak at a certain position on that graph.
I did this at Caltech but with silver. It turns out that it's legal to possess up to one gram of Plutonium provided you take care to observe the required radiological health precautions.
But nitrogen gamma fluorescence won't work with Potassium Perchlorate. Perhaps neutron fluorescence is used for that too, but looking for a different gamma spectrum.
Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
(Score: 3, Interesting) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday October 25 2018, @10:45AM
And none of the above work with the peroxides.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Flamebait) by VLM on Wednesday October 24 2018, @09:07PM
Kinda odd isn't it? I've been informed every -R political figure for decades has been literally Hitler and we need to stop the Nazis and punch them and hate white men and all that stuff...
But I'm kinda a fan of history and ACTUAL nazis rapidly nearing a century ago successfully killed six million people and invented multiple weapons like the V1 and V2 and death camps and crazy good tech like the tiger tank and all this stuff. But, uh, yeah, todays nazis supposedly can't make boomer go boom.
Something about this fake narrative isn't adding up. What we're seeing just doesn't fit the reported M.O. of who is being implicated.
(Score: 2, Informative) by c0lo on Wednesday October 24 2018, @06:27PM
Civil war sounds like a right wing lunatic wet dream:
http://www.sfweekly.com/news/conservative-writer-calls-for-second-american-civil-war-citing-s-f/ [sfweekly.com]
http://prospect.org/article/second-american-civil-war [prospect.org]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2018/07/03/a-short-history-of-alex-jones-claiming-that-the-left-is-about-to-start-a-second-civil-war [washingtonpost.com]
http://www.wbur.org/cognoscenti/2018/10/16/civil-war-rhetoric-steve-almond [wbur.org]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 3, Interesting) by realDonaldTrump on Thursday October 25 2018, @05:11PM
A very big part of the Anger we see today in our society is caused by the purposely false and inaccurate reporting of the Mainstream Media that I refer to as Fake News. It has gotten so bad and hateful that it is beyond description. Mainstream Media must clean up its act, FAST!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @05:18PM (1 child)
please, mr bomber, do a better job. you have to use the correct addresses and your bombs need to work. or if it's the feds up to their tax payer funded games, pls fuck off and die already.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @05:21PM
You don't have to call me Mister, Mister. The whole world calls me Hank!
(Score: 2) by jasassin on Wednesday October 24 2018, @05:21PM
With my luck, I'll probably get the one that explodes.
jasassin@gmail.com GPG Key ID: 0xE6462C68A9A3DB5A
(Score: 0, Troll) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday October 24 2018, @05:40PM
Fake News @CNN [twitter.com] made so much money off the 1st. Iraq War, they call it Gulf War. Bush Original sent his Ambassador. He sent April Glaspie. Or Glasspie. She told Saddam Hussein, "oh, it's none of our business, we don't care what you do in Kuwait." She lied. A lot of people died. CNN filmed it -- they called it embedding, they got in bed with our soldiers -- and became very very rich. Although, not as rich as me.
Crooked H & Obama overthrough the Government in Ukraine. With the Polish Snipers coming in & shooting people until everybody totally lost their minds. They had a revolution. And the President of Ukraine -- big big client of Paul Manafort, Paul did tremendous work for him -- ran to Russia. That guy was running for his life. And he's very lucky that he made it out of there alive.
They overthrough my former tenant, Colonel Qaddhafi of Libya. To turn it into an ISIS country. Because they founded ISIS. They LITERALLY founded ISIS. Colonel Q rented one of my estates, they killed him. Stabbed in the ass, death by ass stabbing. And Crooked H laughed about that one. youtu.be/mlz3-OzcExI [youtu.be]
They overthrough so many governments, so many dictators in Middle East. They call it, Arab Spring. Because it was so many countries, too many to mention! And a lot of those countries turned Muslim when that happened. They went to Muslim Brotherhood. Or ISIS. Which, as I said, that one's a Hillary & Obama number.
Kill List, Obama had a very long Kill List. Possibly bigger, longer than any President that came before. He didn't call it Kill List, he called it Disposition Matrix. Nice name, sounds like math homework, right? I call it what it is, and what we need. And he sent so many Drones it's not funny. Killing Americans, killing many people. On all sides.
These are horrible people. But, the folks attacking them are horrible too. If I had an Attorney General I'd tell him, have the @FBI [twitter.com] look into this very carefully. Tell them to do a VERY THOROUGH investigation. Like the 7 investigations they did on Judge Bart Kavanaugh (now Ass. Justice, congrats Bart!). @VP [twitter.com] Pence condemns these attacks, these attempted attacks. Nice way to say, FAILED. I love the way Mike said it, beautiful words there. And I agree 100%. Believe me, we're doing everything we can to find out who did these horrible attacks. And bring them to justice. Possibly to Justice Kavanaugh. Or to one of my wonderful Judges. Who will be very very tough on them. And on anyone who tries to hurt our precious Dems & our VERY SPECIAL Fake News Media! twitter.com/VP/status/1055115436361166849 [twitter.com]
(Score: 3, Insightful) by bradley13 on Wednesday October 24 2018, @06:15PM (5 children)
Either the perpetrators are abnormally dumb, or this is deliberate. Hmm...just before midterm elections,when Dems are polling much more poorly than expected. Whatever could the motive be?
Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
(Score: 3, Touché) by takyon on Wednesday October 24 2018, @06:34PM (3 children)
The devices were sent to high-profile targets. It doesn't look like any of the targets actually opened their mail.
Yes, what we have here is at least a dumb perpetrator. Good luck proving your false flag theory.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @07:53PM (1 child)
What about the false false flag theory?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @09:02PM
What about the false, false, false flag theory? Involves Sarah Palin!
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @11:10PM
Like all previous manufactured outrages, this too will blow up in Dens faces. Thnx for the caravan, convincing normies the wall is required like nothing else.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @09:00PM
Are you insinuating that they were sent by ex-pats in Switzerland?
(Score: 4, Interesting) by The Shire on Wednesday October 24 2018, @08:06PM (4 children)
If you want to conjecture about who might do this you first have to consider what would motivate them. Conservatives are surging at the polls, Trumps rallies are getting tremendous publicity, the meme "Jobs not Mobs" is pissing off the left something fierce. Meanwhile the "October Surprise" caravan is generating terrible press for the dems. Now consider that many of these "bombs" were sent to people who are political non players in the upcoming elections and that not one of them was an actual bomb - they were never designed to hurt anyone, just generate publicity. Nor did any of these packages ever get anywhere near their "targets".
So add that all together and decide how that narrows the field of who might do such a thing. Could it be a false flag op from the left? Could it be a foreign entity looking to take advantage of the current divisions and sow chaos? Could it be "October Surprise Plan B" since the caravan as Plan A was failing so badly? Could it be CNN whose ratings are tanking badly just to generate advertising clicks? Who has the track record of calling for violence against the other party - Pelosi/Schummer or Trump? Seems pretty obvious now doesn't it.
My guess is we'll never know, but to me at least it seems pretty crazy to think anyone on the right would do this given the latest polls and the tangible desperation of the left.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by VLM on Wednesday October 24 2018, @09:13PM (1 child)
I have no real complaint with your post other than to extend another proposed idea that the "Russian's hacked Trumps election" narrative seems to be going down in flames and they need a new anti-Trump conspiracy theory.
Soros's kid already got an essay in some dying legacy newspaper no one reads essentially blaming Trump and the White House for being the return address of all these false flag bombs.
Basically "Russia hacked the elections" is a dead leftist meme and they need a new meme which is certain to be "Trump bombed all the lefties"
And its gonna take years to "investigate" full of negative PR for Trump and in the end nothing will be discovered because the whole thing is made up "emperors new clothes" BS.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @10:43PM
Russian trolls are real my russian friend.
(Score: 2) by crafoo on Wednesday October 24 2018, @11:22PM (1 child)
I can't wait for the 2 years of CNN "investigative journalism" of the FBI investigating their own political bomb props.
Sorry guys, you haven't tanked IQ in the western hemisphere quite enough yet for people to believe this bullshit.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25 2018, @04:56AM
And if it turns out to be a jaded liberal sending the bombs? Then you'll switch stories immediately and point the finger. Is there any part of you conservatives that isn't full of shit?
You also tossed in a nice eugenics talking point, smooth. 97.3% chance you're a friend to neo-nazi white supremacist trash, 59.8% chance you're the reincarnation of Hitler.
(Score: 3, Funny) by SomeGuy on Wednesday October 24 2018, @08:53PM (3 children)
Given the targets, I'm thinking trump sent the bombs. Once they brush out the orange cheeto dust we will know for sure :P
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @10:27PM (2 children)
The targets are all people who conspired to keep Bernie from getting the nomination.
Note that it was also a Bernie bro who shot up the congressional baseball game, seriously wounding Scalise. The sort of people who believe Bernie's message are not the most logical and sane.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25 2018, @01:24AM
Or possibly the people who believe Bernie's message are the most discouraged and have given up on normal political processes.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25 2018, @04:53AM
Yeah because there are zero instances of countries successfully implementing single payer healthcare and election / campaign reform. #MoronsAt46.1%
(Score: 1, Troll) by jmorris on Wednesday October 24 2018, @10:28PM (2 children)
In a previous age, when the Progs controlled the flow of information, this might have actually worked. As is it is going to "blow up" in their faces like all of their previous attempts to "get Drumpf!"
The stamps aren't canceled, no postmark. Delivered to multiple locations spread widely enough apart that a lone madman couldn't plausibly have done it. Yet the bombs aren't even up to prop quality meaning no serious team built these bad jokes with the intent to harm anyone. So move on to who an examination of who benefits vs who gets harmed. Obviously, from the media coverage (compare and contrast to Sen. Collins getting similar mail attacks, Rep Scalise being shot, etc.) it is believed it can be ridden to gains for the Democrats and that would be the "standard model" for such a thing. So who on the Right, with similar awareness of the "Standard model" would be stupid enough AND have the resources (multiple people in diverse geographic locations willing to risk serious prison time)? Now how about we run the question for the left, accounting for the reality they would run far less risk since they still appear to control the FBI?
Suggestion for the Progs. Next time, at least commit to the scam enough to sacrifice a few Blue NPCs on a false flag op to make it more convincing. It would at least get some corpses to stand on to denounce anyone pointing and laughing at the obvious false flag. If you REALLY want Drumpf gone By Any Means Necessary, you should be willing to sacrifice a few unimportant has beens to the cause.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25 2018, @05:02AM (1 child)
Only if he actually goes full blown Nazi. After the child separation issue I'd say he's just a few steps from Dehr Drumpfen Fuhrer, and don't forget the most recent "I'm a nationalist" bit.
OH! hahah THAT is why they demonized the term "socialism" so much, so when they brought back nationalism for their ultimate coup then the "national socialist" connection wouldn't fly. Just ignore that every aspect is lining up more and more.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday October 25 2018, @10:51AM
You know that was a Clinton policy that continued through two more presidents before it got to Trump, yes? This ain't me defending him, by the way. It's me laughing at the dumb shit that comes out of your mouth.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday October 25 2018, @01:14AM
Didn't somebody send suspicious packages to Trump's people a few days ago? The possibility exists that it's a shot across the bow to tell the other side to cut it out; the fact none of the devices exploded lends credence to the idea.
Regardless of who sent them and why, though, I still hear shale clattering around us as the precursor to a larger avalanche.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday October 25 2018, @01:50AM (2 children)
We don't know. We don't frickin' KNOW. And at this point, anything from "some asshat playing a prank" to "this is a several-layers deep false flag operation" is about equally plausible. And perhaps the most plausible of all is "We did it for the lulz and to freak you out." I don't trust anyone anymore; the inmates are running the asylum.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25 2018, @05:07AM (1 child)
I think jmorris just posted his PhD thesis too
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday October 26 2018, @01:07AM
"Piled higher and deeper" indeed...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...