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Wikileaks has abruptly canceled a much-anticipated announcement on Tuesday. The announcement had been expected to be founder Julian Assange's long-promised document dump on Hillary Clinton.
NBC's Jesse Rodriguez reported that the Tuesday announcement — which was to come from the balcony of London's Ecuadorian Embassy, where Assange has sought sanctuary for years – was canceled due to security concerns.
Wikileaks has not said when it will now make its announcement.
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I hope you're not pretending to be evil while secretly being good.
That would be dishonest.
(Score: 5, Informative) by canopic jug on Monday October 03 2016, @09:51AM
It's not canceled. It's been moved to video [heatst.com].
I guess they figure that Assange would be physically at risk outside like that.
Money is not free speech. Elections should not be auctions.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 03 2016, @01:04PM
Ugh. That website is super spinny. They said:
In August, liberal commentator Bob Beckel did suggest in a TV appearance that Assange be murdered, proclaiming that someone should “shoot the son of a bitch!”
When the truth is he said that back in 2010 while working for Fox News. [snopes.com] It was bullshit then, but come on, to imply that it is connected to the "october surprise" is a straight-up lie.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 03 2016, @07:57PM
Didn't Assange try to tie the death of someone to leaked info from the DNC because he wanted people to believe they were related? Assange is a "pay attention to ME" person and has lost credibility.
(Score: 2) by butthurt on Tuesday October 04 2016, @02:17AM
The "someone" was named Seth Rich.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/wikileaks-offers-reward-in-killing-of-dnc-staffer-in-washington/2016/08/09/f84fcbf4-5e5b-11e6-8e45-477372e89d78_story.html [washingtonpost.com]
http://www.businessinsider.com/wikileaks-20000-seth-rich-dnc-2016-8 [businessinsider.com]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seth_Rich [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 3, Informative) by NotSanguine on Tuesday October 04 2016, @04:50AM
Yes, that is his name. [snopes.com]
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 2) by Bogsnoticus on Tuesday October 04 2016, @12:04AM
> "I guess they figure that Assange would be physically at risk outside like that."
Oh, come on. Custard pies don't hurt that much, even if they leave the tinfoil tray on.
Genius by birth. Evil by choice.
(Score: 1, Disagree) by GungnirSniper on Monday October 03 2016, @09:51AM
Due to a computer error, the Ecuadorian Embassy was incorrectly targeted as the location of Assad. This caused an automated drone attack that was not caught by our operators in time. The Unites States of America sincerely regrets the error.
Does anyone think Hillary wouldn't kill a man or two to get to the top?
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(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 03 2016, @10:01AM
What makes you think she hasn't already?
(Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 03 2016, @12:58PM
> What makes you think she hasn't already?
I dunno. Maybe its the hundreds of millions of republican directed tax dollars spent investigating the living shit out of her and her husband that have turned up nothing more than a blowjob.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by curunir_wolf on Monday October 03 2016, @01:11PM
I am a crackpot
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 03 2016, @01:26PM
> Yea, well, dead men tell no tales...
Typical intertard conspiracy logic. Lack of proof is proof!
(Score: 2) by edIII on Monday October 03 2016, @09:45PM
Perhaps, but used dresses covered in jizz are not so easily silenced :)
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 03 2016, @04:29PM
If that's all you think has been uncovered then you have only been exposed to CTR'd sources, or you're deliberately lying to mislead.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 03 2016, @06:26PM
Actually, unlike yourself, I've spent hours looking at the minutiae of what's been uncovered and all I've found is typical human crap. No murders, no criminality, just stuff that looks bad from afar but up close and in context is just the normal result of an imperfect human with a lot of governing responsibilities who has spent 25+ years being constantly raked over the coals like practically no one else in a similar position.
When Toni Morrison said Bill Clinton was the first black president, [theatlantic.com] it was not praise for him, it was an indictment of people like you.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by edIII on Monday October 03 2016, @09:59PM
Hardly. Just like the other poster said, there is nothing on Clinton. I dislike her completely, but for corruption and political reasons. That corruption is out in the open and legalized via "speaking fees" and "campaign contributions", and is functionally no different than all of the other bipartisan corruption.
Out of all the investigations, I never heard a damn fucking thing that made sense. Literally, the only single argument that holds water at all, is she mishandled email. That still, is no where near the level of crime she is repeatedly accused of.
Let's remember, that God Emperor Trump is accused of far worse like raping a 12 year old girl in front of a 14 year old girl and threatening to kill them both if they said anything. Far from simple hearsay, he has a long time association with a convicted and well known sexual predator of young girls (Jeffrey Epstein) and was placed at the scene and spent much time with this man.
That holds as much water with me as any Clinton investigation, and unlike Clinton investigations, it has been swept under the rug.
Other than the email, give out some fucking facts about Hillary Clinton beyond conspiracy theories. Try this one: She worked for Wallmart for 5 years as an executive. That's far more damaging than any of your bullshit, but by all means continue.
Like the other poster stated, how have the Clintons survived nearly continuous criminal investigations their whole lives? FFS, even Al Capone didn't outlast criminal investigations forever.
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 2) by butthurt on Tuesday October 04 2016, @03:07AM
> She worked for [Walmart] for 5 years as an executive.
Almost--she was on the board of directors for six years.
Officials at the time said she wasn't filling a vacancy. In May 1992 [...] she resigned from the board of Wal-Mart. Company officials said at the time that they weren't going to fill her vacancy.
said the Village Voice [villagevoice.com].
A 2008 ABC review of videotapes [go.com] from Walmart meetings found that "Clinton remained silent as the world's largest retailer waged a major campaign against labor unions seeking to represent store workers."
"She was not a dissenter," one of her fellow board members told [latimes.com] the Los Angeles Times in 2007. "She was a part of those decisions."
-- http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/06/hillary-clinton-costco-walmart [motherjones.com]
(Score: 1) by angst_ridden_hipster on Monday October 03 2016, @06:42PM
Uh, yes. As a matter of fact, I don't believe she would.
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(Score: 2) by q.kontinuum on Tuesday October 04 2016, @06:50AM
I wouldn't put it past her [twitter.com]... Also, this might explain Assanges apparent bias against her, even if it favours Trump.
It's a desaster that the choices in this election are so bad, I'd whish they'd both just disappear. But given the fact that realistically it will be either Trump or Clinton, in spite of my admiration for Assange, I still think Clinton would be the lesser evil. At least she is rational enough to understand, if the world burns, USA will burn with it.
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(Score: 2) by butthurt on Monday October 03 2016, @10:56AM
One commentator applied the term "October surprise" to the leak to the New York Times of Mr. Trump's 1995 tax form, according to which he reported $915,729,293 in losses.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html [nytimes.com]
http://webcitation.org/6kwph0iUh [webcitation.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 03 2016, @11:09AM
The media would LOVE an "October Surprise", which is why they will label anything "scandalous" this month with that moniker. Then they can christen it with the much beloved "-gate". Everybody knows Trump hasn't paid taxes in decades. What's the "surprise" here?
(Score: 3, Informative) by butthurt on Monday October 03 2016, @11:41AM
> Everybody knows Trump hasn't paid taxes in decades.
How do you know that? I don't know that. The New York Times writers don't claim to know that: they write
The figure is so substantial that it could have allowed him to legally avoid paying federal income tax for 18 years.
> What's the "surprise" here?
The magnitude is just tremendous. That he sustained such losses during what, for others, was a boom, I mean economically, is surprising. Also there is the fact that today he's very, very rich, with a net worth "in excess of ten billion dollars."
http://fox59.com/2015/07/15/donald-trump-im-worth-10-billion/ [fox59.com]
(Score: 2) by takyon on Monday October 03 2016, @12:55PM
Tremendous. Huuuuge even.
His people were justifying it by saying that it proves he is the right choice for tax reform [nbcnews.com], because he is a master of loopholes.
It would be ironic for them to bash NYT while quietly supporting Wikileaks, but it seems they are avoiding drawing extra attention to the leak:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/02/the-new-york-times-risked-legal-trouble-to-publish-donald-trumps-tax-return/ [washingtonpost.com]
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/03/us/politics/giuliani-calls-donald-trump-a-genius-for-minimizing-his-taxes.html [nytimes.com]
It's too bad that Wikileaks hasn't been able to release any Donald Trump info. Maybe leakers think they can get a more prompt reaction from liberal news outlets that are also regularly derided by Mr. Trump.
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(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 03 2016, @08:01PM
His people were justifying it by saying that it proves he is the right choice for tax reform [nbcnews.com], because he is a master of loopholes.
Then shouldn't his tax accountant be running for President?
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Tuesday October 04 2016, @05:07AM
It's too bad that Wikileaks hasn't been able to release any Donald Trump info. Maybe leakers think they can get a more prompt reaction from liberal news outlets that are also regularly derided by Mr. Trump.
Why would they? Donald Trump wasn't part of the Obama administration, of whom, rightly or wrongly, Assange is terrified.
He hates Obama and Clinton because he thinks that they've worked a deal with the Swedes to turn him over to the CIA for 'Extraordinary Rendition' [wikipedia.org]. Which is why he's been hiding out in the Ecuadorian embassyin London.
He won't release anything that puts Trump in a bad light, because that would help his nemesis. Which is amusing, since I'm sure Clinton considers him a scuttling cockroach or, at most, an annoyance. I guess it just goes to show that he's got an ego the size of Brazil, and no cojones.
He only has another 3-1/2 years before the statute of limitations runs out on the last charge against him in Sweden. I hope he likes Ecuadorian cooking! I know I do. Fortunately, there are a couple of Ecuadorian restaurants near me.
So he'll be able to leave before Hillary finishes her first term.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 5, Interesting) by VLM on Monday October 03 2016, @01:00PM
What's the "surprise" here?
Hillary has been a criminal for decades and is teflon otherwise she'd be in prison with every other criminal like her. I suppose it helps her that people around her keep showing up dead for decades. She really is pretty much a James Bond class of villain.
The "surprise" is the worst thing Trump's apparently ever done is hire an accountant who follows all the tax laws and some folks don't like the outcome of the social engineering laws they themselves wrote. Oh and he called some people some names out of context. Supposedly that comparatively makes him unsuitable for office, LOL.
The analogy we're lead to believe by the news media is "the joker" has the moral high ground because its true that everyone knows he's an insane mass murderer with psycopathic plans that will cause destruction in the future, but "batman" lost the moral high ground because he once called "catwoman" the C-word so we're all supposed to be happy and accepting of "the joker" being in charge. I mean, how dare he use the "C-word", so I guess we all deserve nuclear WWIII with Russia.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 03 2016, @05:08PM
What's more likely under Occam's Razor
A. Clintons are criminal masterminds who got away with 60+ murders/conspiracies under the microscope of D.C. press and haters
B. Fox/Rush/GOP full of spin-shit, paranoia, and statistical Play-Doh for political gain and/or profits.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 03 2016, @05:26PM
They didn't get away with them ALL; their very important Great Evil BJ was caught, and it only cost tax payers a couple of hundreds of millions.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 03 2016, @09:09PM
What's more likely under Occam's Razor
What's more likely is HRC used Occam's Razor to kill people and then blame it on poor Occam.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 04 2016, @02:19AM
How about we let her OWN tax returns speak for themselves. https://i.sli.mg/kxNJrh.jpg [i.sli.mg]
(Score: 2) by KiloByte on Tuesday October 04 2016, @04:07AM
What's more likely under Occam's Razor
A. Clintons are criminal masterminds who got away with 60+ murders/conspiracies under the microscope of D.C. press and haters
B. Fox/Rush/GOP full of spin-shit, paranoia, and statistical Play-Doh for political gain and/or profits.
In this case, it's both.
Ceterum censeo systemd esse delendam.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 04 2016, @08:16AM
What's more likely under Occam's Razor
A. Clintons are criminal masterminds who got away with 60+ murders/conspiracies under the microscope of D.C. press and haters
B. Fox/Rush/GOP full of spin-shit, paranoia, and statistical Play-Doh for political gain and/or profits.
They got Al Capone on tax evasion, not any of thirty plus murders and countless other crimes he was associated with. The press was often happy to sit on stories it had about the Clintons unless they had a reason to publish them. Example: Newsweek had the Monica Lewinski story but sat on it. It was Matt Drudge that leaked the information, and made his reputation. Even when the press does publish they can still minimize the story and set it aside at the first opportunity instead of covering it in detail.
(Score: 1) by DeVilla on Wednesday October 05 2016, @04:17AM
C. Al Capone only ever committed income tax evasion.
(Score: 2) by Justin Case on Monday October 03 2016, @11:49AM
People who never do anything more daring than waiting for the check to come in probably don't realize that politicians love to "incentivize" their pet social-experiment behaviors with complicated tax laws. This often means that if you do certain things, like provide jobs for other people, you can subtract the costs from the money that comes in.
Now those are some big losses. I don't know why they arose; I can't be bothered to care because I'm not going to be voting for Trump. But the mere existence of "tax losses" is neither evidence of shady dealings nor of financial mismanagement. That's the way the rules are written. Don't like the rules? Try to get them changed. But until then, you have to live with them. We all do.
(Score: 2) by butthurt on Monday October 03 2016, @12:36PM
> But the mere existence of "tax losses" is neither evidence of shady dealings nor of financial mismanagement.
Everything you wrote is true. However, the story attributes the losses not to oddities of taxation but to business ventures that (as I read it) were actually unprofitable. It does use the word "mismanagement" which is of course a matter of opinion:
[...] mismanagement of three Atlantic City casinos, his ill-fated foray into the airline business and his ill-timed purchase of the Plaza Hotel in Manhattan.
(Score: 2) by Justin Case on Monday October 03 2016, @12:49PM
Are you aware of some guarantee that every business venture will be profitable? Or that every investment will occur at the best possible time?
This just feels to me like the typical mud slinging that is designed to be misinterpreted by those who have no experience with such things. And again, I'm not voting for Trump.
(Score: 2) by fnj on Monday October 03 2016, @01:12PM
I'm replying to your comical tagline. You are drawing a moral equivalence between vermin committing evil murder in actual fact, to an imaginary fairy tale?
(Score: 2) by Justin Case on Monday October 03 2016, @11:30PM
Just pointing out that while Christians tromp around spouting "all Muslims are evil because their holy book endorses killing infidels", the Christian religion, if it were to be believed, calls for the same.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday October 04 2016, @04:31AM
the Christian religion, if it were to be believed, calls for the same.
Shouldn't you quote that instead? Hell is allegedly after you die not before. So you would have had some sort of opportunity to become a sufficiently Christian person before you die (up to and including deathbed confessions which are pretty damn convenient, I gather). I believe you can easily find some Old Testament support for killing unbelievers, but talking about Hell is not it.
(Score: 2, Informative) by migz on Tuesday October 04 2016, @06:56AM
"But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. 35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." - Matthew 22
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 03 2016, @05:00PM
Not to put too fine a point on this, but during this campaign Donald has made much of his business acumen to sell himself to the voters. Losing nearly a billion dollars does call that into question. I can't be bothered to google it for you but I read a while back that if Donald had just put that one million dollar loan from his daddy into an index fund he would have had a much better rate of return on his investment. I'm also pretty sure that paying no taxes will not look so good for those who feel that billionaires aren't putting their shoulder to the wheel along with the rest of us; it just doesn't play well in Peoria, if you know what I mean.
(Score: 2) by butthurt on Tuesday October 04 2016, @05:12AM
Are you aware of some guarantee that every business venture will be profitable? Or that every investment will occur at the best possible time?
The New York Times has another article, which explains their "mismanagement" characterisation. Among other things, they say
But when it comes to running operating businesses, [Mr. Trump] has been something less than a resounding success. The Plaza Hotel in Manhattan went bankrupt under his tutelage, and his casino empire has been under bankruptcy protection twice, in the early 1990s and again this decade.
[...] a shareholder who invested $10,000 in Mr. Trump’s empire when the casino company went public in 1995 would now have about $636. [...]
Over all, an index of casino stocks is up 268 percent since June 1995. Trump investors lost 93 percent.
-- http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/12/nyregion/donald-trump-atlantic-city.html [nytimes.com]
His airline also went bankrupt.
One banker close to the negotiations said the shuttle talks mostly involved banks that had made no other loans to the troubled Trump empire [...]
The syndicate of 20 banks from the United States, Japan, and Europe that holds the $245 million shuttle loan considers the airline's problems to be the result of higher fuel costs and falling ridership levels, rather than poor management by Mr. Trump or his executives, the banker said.
-- http://www.nytimes.com/1990/09/21/business/company-news-1.1-million-loan-payment-missed-by-trump-on-shuttle.html [nytimes.com]
Some other airlines did survive in spite of high fuel prices. Perhaps under great--I mean really, really great--management the Trump Shuttle [wikipedia.org] would have as well.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/pictures/the-many-business-failures-of-donald-trump-20110511/trump-shuttle-0845896 [rollingstone.com]
> This just feels to me like the typical mud slinging that is designed to be misinterpreted by those who have no experience with such things.
I certainly have no experience with such things, but if I were running a business that was in trouble, my instinct would be to either focus on fixing its problems or separate myself from it, before involving myself in other endeavours.
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/have+finger+in+too+many+pies [thefreedictionary.com]
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Thexalon on Monday October 03 2016, @02:48PM
When somebody reports a loss of nearly $1 billion (also known as about 400 times what a typical American earns over their entire lifetime) in a single year, I have to conclude one of two things is going on: Either they aren't good at managing their money, or they are lying about their loss.
It's not because I believe businesses can't fail. It's that when they fail on such a spectacularly large scale, somebody did something stupid. The most common mistakes that lead to such yuge losses:
- Investing too much before there is a proof of a concept. Successful businesses usually demonstrate that a concept works on a small scale before building up to a mid-sized and then large scale.
- Failing to understand the concept of sunk costs. That is, how much you have already spent on something does not affect whether you should continue to spend more on said something.
- Making poor choices in partners or key subordinate employees, who make the same mistakes you did.
My basic impression of Trump: He's a bit of an idiot who is high-status because of the money and political connections he inherited.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by dyingtolive on Monday October 03 2016, @03:23PM
While I don't disagree with your overall sentiment, can you really judge someone from their circumstances from 20 years ago? I mean, I do, but I think Trump sucks as much as I think that Clinton is still a right-wing warmongering racist who desires censorship.
Don't blame me, I voted for moose wang!
(Score: 2) by Thexalon on Monday October 03 2016, @03:39PM
Absolutely, especially when their circumstances from 20 years ago are part of what that someone is citing as reasons why they should be given a vitally important job.
As for Clinton, I'm not convinced about the "racist" part. At least, I don't think she's intentionally racist in the way that Trump definitely is. I think she's probably unconsciously racist the way most people are, and she's ambitious enough that she stirred the Obama birther pot when she thought it would help her win a primary, but I don't think she actually hates people because of their skin color.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by boxfetish on Monday October 03 2016, @06:20PM
Just that they're "superpredators" because of their skin color (or was that unconscious racism?)
(Score: 2) by butthurt on Monday October 03 2016, @06:51PM
Twenty years later, she made a statement about that remark.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/02/25/hillary-clinton-responds-to-activist-who-demanded-apology-for-superpredator-remarks/ [washingtonpost.com]
(Score: 2) by Thexalon on Monday October 03 2016, @07:18PM
Hillary Clinton's "superpredators" comment wasn't specifically stated to be talking about black people, so yes, I consider it unconscious or closeted racism where she was playing into a racist stereotype without actually indicating that was what she was doing. That is exactly the kind of statement I'd expect to see from someone who had been raised by conservative parents, has since had to consciously try to change her thinking and has a few black friends.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 04 2016, @12:21AM
Trump [...] is high-status because of the money and political connections he inherited.
"Many have asked who's to blame for Donald Trump and I'll tell you who. He's sitting right there, that guy, Mark Burnett", said Jimmy Kimmel at the 2016 Emmys. "Thanks to Mark Burnett we don't have to watch reality shows any more, we're living in one."
Years ago, we in California got Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger simply because people recognized his name on the ballot and put a mark beside his name.
...though they knew nothing about his politics and there was no evidence that he had any experience to indicate that he was capable of running a state.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday October 04 2016, @04:40AM
Years ago, we in California got Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger simply because people recognized his name on the ballot and put a mark beside his name. ...though they knew nothing about his politics and there was no evidence that he had any experience to indicate that he was capable of running a state.
I voted for him and I have to say, he's better than Gray Davis or Jerry Brown, the governors before and after, which I guess is damning with faint praise. As to his experience, he is a successful businessman with a pretty good track record going back to the 70s and he ran a pretty good campaign.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 03 2016, @03:14PM
Interesting commentary [youtube.com] on the tax issue.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 03 2016, @04:00PM
I stopped after 10 seconds of some model's personal history. No idea what the point of the video was supposed to be, but I can guess based on the beginning.... If you can't see that he is a lying conman (not that Hillary is any better in my opinion) then seek a priest, for you are too far gone for the doctors to help.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 03 2016, @07:43PM
A 22 minute video? Fuck that you dumbass gamergater. Nobody sane has time it sit through all that shit.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 03 2016, @07:11PM
There are 3 places that tax return could have come from.
1) The IRS. They have stated DT can release it if he wants.
2) His accountant. Who would lose in court and have their CPA yanked so fast it would travel through time.
3) Donald Trump. https://www.amazon.com/Trump-Art-Comeback-Donald-J/dp/0812929640 [amazon.com]
He talks about how he did it in that book. It is even a world record. He even says what he was going to do and did it. This is not news. But Donald Trump wanted it to be news. He made it news. That is one of the chapters in his first book.
The media is getting played (again). He wants them talking about tax returns and how the rich actually end up paying no taxes. Much like HRC did last year to the tune of 700k (same deduction btw). Plus the company that plastered it up on their front page to the tune of about 1 billion 2 years ago (same deduction again). They fall for it every time. He is forcing the world to look not only at his tax return but his opponents. They are looking at hers as well to see where does 'she make money'. It fits into his narrative that she is crooked. The media is so eager for a 'October surprise' the are starting to sound like merchants at 'black Friday' saying it over and over trying to make it happen.
There is several things I have learned in life. Dont fuck the IRS. Also minimize what you pay them. To minimize that you have to risk something. Everyone does it but everyone also looks down on everyone else for doing it. I am not mad at these people for doing it. I would do the same thing and so would you. Even the much vaunted google of 'do no evil' fame does it. The laws are written in such a way that it is possible to do this. I personally take mortgage, tax, and child credit deductions to reduce what I pay the IRS. If I had more deductions/exemptions I would take them. Hell, you can set up an appointment with the IRS and they will show you how to do it.
This is just a typical 'SJW' tactic of using shame as a weapon to push an agenda. They want us to feel bad for what someone ELSE is doing. I will not. They go even so far as to remove words and ideas as 'hateful' that are working against them. Shame is their tool of choice. Once you see the trick and how it works anger is up next.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 03 2016, @04:37PM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 03 2016, @05:15PM
If the Wikileaks surprise isn't just some emails about matzo balls, it's going to get the most extreme media vetting in history. Many media outlets will be searching for a weakness in the material.
(Score: 2) by VLM on Monday October 03 2016, @05:15PM
One that can't be conclusively debunked in four weeks.
Why? How? I think its a valid alternative-history-esque scenario to ponder.
For that matter, why him, obviously the hive mind on /pol/ is smarter than everyone else (you'll note the nominee is Trump not Jeb) the reddit centipedes are more numerous but not quite as intelligent, regardless, either group contain people smart enough to put on quite a show.
But what would that show be? Its not obvious.
Note the hidden assumption that he's in charge of the data and where it came from. Remember that guy Hillary had killed for the emails released around the DNC? The emails explaining how Hillary had the party rig her nomination and it was all a scam what they did to Bernie? The emails that had no real effect? I could see some kind of deal like release half of them around the DNC and if he mysteriously shows up dead like so many opponents of the Clinton crime family, then release the other half in October as revenge. But they had no real long term effect. Everyone knows Hillary is a crook and no one voting for her minds that.
So what could it possibly be that would actually have an impact? Corrupt politics as usual has not had an effect yet, America loves our crime bosses. My guess is something personal like Chelsea's dad is not Bill and part of the deal is Bill stays around but gets all the interns he wants. Or Hillaries medical records showing some sort of illegal drug addiction or maybe HIV (from Bill? From one of her female interns?) or similar. Perhaps enough financial data for the IRS to take her down, something that can't be covered up as has been so many times. Maybe she admitted to some felonies in her 30K "missing" emails.
I mean, most of the stuff that was of the class of conspiracy theory decades ago is just admitted BAU now for the Clinton crime family. So how do you one up the existing historical felonious behavior?
Assange does not have to be in charge any more than a nightly news reader on TV is in charge of much of anything, despite being quite a famous spokesman.
(Score: 1) by angst_ridden_hipster on Monday October 03 2016, @06:51PM
Remember that guy Hillary had killed for the emails released around the DNC?
No, I remember a lot of speculation without a scintilla of any real evidence. Same as most of the things you mention.
We get it. You hate Hillary. Some people do.
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(Score: 2) by VLM on Monday October 03 2016, @07:13PM
Well, OK, but what about "how to design something politically effective that can't be debunked in four weeks"
I think that's a valid non-partisan-ish question. I suppose someone could use something similar against Trump too, unless its a very Hillary specific attack. Perhaps anything that can be obfuscated for four weeks is inherently very personal and individual. Or maybe it just doesn't exist.
I can't figure out a valid strategy, can't even guess the outlines... I'm on very shaky ground claiming that proves nothing could exist under that criteria, but it is starting to look that way.
Its probably easier to find something derailing that lasts 4 weeks because its true, rather than something daydreamed up one afternoon that passes scrutiny.
(Score: 1) by boxfetish on Monday October 03 2016, @06:23PM
Or maybe he is working up an obvious fake that can be debunked in a matter of a few days or weeks to make her appear as more of a victim/sympathetic figure and further add to the tagline "Hillary has been targeted for decades but nobody has ever found anything that sticks"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 03 2016, @06:34PM
No. Assange has a major hard-on for clinton. Its been obvious for quite a while. He's got no particular reason to like her, and lots of reasons to hate her since she's probably involved, at a minium as a figurehead as secretary of state, wrt to his effective imprisonment for however many years he's been holed up in that embassy. If he's secretly been rooting for her all this time, its one of the greatest long cons ever played.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 05 2016, @12:15AM
If Wikileaks was in the business of making fakes everyone would have been aware of it by now. He has no reason to risk his reputation by deliberately making a fake after working so hard to build a good reputation over so many years as a source that won't do such a thing.
(Score: 3, Funny) by wonkey_monkey on Monday October 03 2016, @05:28PM
October Surprise
Sounds like a euphemism for something your wife won't do to you, even on your birthday.
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(Score: 2) by takyon on Monday October 03 2016, @05:47PM
Remember to ask your wife about doing the Cleaveland steamer.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 04 2016, @05:19AM
Remember to ask your wife about doing the Cleaveland steamer.
How hot does it make you when your wife gives you one [urbandictionary.com]?
(Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday October 04 2016, @05:28AM
Somewhere below 98.6°F.
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