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Open source projects are by their nature intended to be welcoming, pulling in contributions from many different volunteers. But in reality, open source and the tech industry in general often lack diversity. Speaking at the Open Source Leadership Summit in February, Mozilla's Chief Innovation Officer Katharina Borchert told the crowd that working to bring ethnic, gender, and skill diversity to open source projects isn't just the right thing to do because of moral grounds, it's the right thing to do to make projects more successful.
Me, I beg to differ. Pretty sure success has to do with the diversity of thought/ideas rather than genetic diversity.
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-- Chinese proverb
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @12:10AM (9 children)
Off to the gulag with you; you thought criminal, racist, misogynist, transphobic white supremacist mother fucker! Do you not know that every successful project like Mozilla (losing market share) needs to suck a massive CoC to protect itself from the white and successful (as in mostly jewish) white patriarchy?
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @12:29AM (8 children)
Would you say these bible-thumpers of diversity are CoC-knockers?
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @12:51AM (7 children)
How dare you mock, suck my trans-gendered, tran-sracial body parts, you evil white supremacist! Down with the white patriarchy. Down with Mark Zuckerberg, Sheryl Sandberg, Dave Wehner, Mike Schroepfer, Lloyd C. Blankfein, Peter Oppenheimer, Mark O. Winkelman.
White genocide is a prerequisite for social progress, you fucking nazi! [youtube.com] We demand diversity -- don't you know that reason, logic and the scientific method are white and therefore racist?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @01:38AM
> ... reason, logic and the scientific method are white ...
Or, to narrow it down a little more, French. See: Rene Descartes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discourse_on_the_Method [wikipedia.org]
Discourse on the Method of Rightly Conducting One's Reason and of Seeking Truth in the Sciences (French title: Discours de la méthode pour bien conduire sa raison, et chercher la vérité dans les sciences). The Discourse on The Method is best known as the source of the famous quotation "Je pense, donc je suis" ("I think, therefore I am"), which occurs in Part IV of the work. (The similar statement in Latin, Cogito ergo sum, is found in Part I, §7 of Principles of Philosophy.)
The Discourse on the Method is one of the most influential works in the history of modern philosophy, and important to the development of natural sciences. In this work, Descartes tackles the problem of skepticism, which had previously been studied by Sextus Empiricus, Al-Ghazali[1] and Michel de Montaigne. Descartes modified it to account for a truth he found to be incontrovertible. Descartes started his line of reasoning by doubting everything, so as to assess the world from a fresh perspective, clear of any preconceived notions.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by charon on Friday March 31 2017, @01:48AM (4 children)
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 31 2017, @02:55AM (2 children)
Kinda ditto here. If one searches, one can find an all-Caucasion team to to the job, or an all-Negro team, or an all-Asian team. And, if you search, you can find a diverse team. If a person is being an ass about it, he can specify one female Asian, one male black, one transgendered Caucasian, and so on. An extreme ass might even specify hair and eye colors of the team.
Diversity, in and of itself means diddly squat. You want qualified people for the job, and you don't bend the qualifications to meet stupid-assed quotas. Diversity of the mind is a really great thing to look for when recruiting for some specific project. Find an expert who was schooled in China, another who went to college in England, another from Russia, and one or more colleges in the US. THAT is intellectual diversity. And, THAT is valuable in research, engineering, or whatever.
The color of the employee's skin, or his gender, has nothing to do with a successful project. Absolutely nothing. Incompetent idiots come in all sizes, colors, genders, religions, and political persuasions. Assembling a "diverse" team of incompetent idiots isn't going to make any project successful.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @03:04AM (1 child)
Kinda ditto here. If one searches, one can find an all-Caucasion team to to the job, or an all-Negro team, or an all-Asian team. And, if you search, you can find a diverse team.
But what you can not find, is an all Runaway team. Does not work well with others. Ogles young females, thinks he is friends with African-American women. The only reason we include him is for diversity. Helps us with the unwitting-trump-supporter, maybe a vet, category of old white guys. Yes, Runaway, you only have a job due to affirmative action!
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @04:08AM
Hehe, I started off reading thinking "men counter reactionary" but then I realized that could very well be true!! "We're not agist like the rest of silicon valley, look at this old white conservative dude we've got on the team!!"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @01:32PM
It's parody because he used Sheryl Sandberg, thereby proving he considers her bossy.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @02:24AM
Tyler Winklevoss, is that you?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday March 31 2017, @12:23AM (3 children)
Well even with regard to genetic diversity, those who preach it don't practice it.
Google, for example, is pretty much all White and Oriental males with a few token high-visibility spatterings here and there. And they compensate in ridiculously historically-revisionist ways, this, for example, [amazonaws.com] kinda like when Israel chose their first Black Miss Israel after being caught [forbes.com] injecting African immigrants with birth-control against their will?
And for local people, Qualcomm is almost entirely Chinks and Pajeet males with a handful of White males and spotting any kind of woman around the campus is like reading a Where's Waldo book. Though, to Qualcomm's credit, it was never loud and obnoxious about the "diversity" bullshit, especially since its two dominating ethnicities skew towards mysogyny -- and was hit by a phat lawsuit [fortune.com] proving that point.
The problem is that the people abusing the word "diversity" count on the audience making the assumption that diverse means a diversity of all. Whenever we hear the word "diversity," we should now question every instance of it...diversity of what? Diversity of whom?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @01:58AM
Trump 2022!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @02:01AM
kinda like when Israel chose their first Black Miss Israel...
Depo-Provera is prescribes to refuges and in family planning centers both in the states, Europe and Asia which ends up targeting minority groups since it's the poor and immigrants that use those centers ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medroxyprogesterone_acetate#Controversy [wikipedia.org] ). It's like how sex-ed classes give away condoms mostly in poor schools seeing how the rich kids can afford pills and rubber so in practice any state running sex-ed classes is effectively working to reduce minority groups numbers.
As for the actual beauty pageants, yeah obviously political move. But why else would you have those stupid rituals if not to appease the masses?
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @03:35AM
I thought Google Express was an attempt to improve diversity stats by hiring ethnic minorities for delivery jobs.
(Score: 3, Funny) by looorg on Friday March 31 2017, @12:39AM (2 children)
Is this just for "white" projects in "white" countries? Or will I get a super sweet diversity job in Asia or South America soon after they have read this awesome news? After all they need some middle aged WHITE man to really bring their projects to success.
I guess I better get on to the once doing the recruiting. They need to find me some black people, some women and a token asian person. These are the critical resources I'm missing for the project to become a success, forget about that whole grant money thing, more data and equipment. Some token person of color (that isn't WHITE, or pinkish) will solve all that ails us! Hail diversity!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @01:36PM (1 child)
Ever heard of a white person getting fired from an asian company? Me neither.
And if you want to use google, use it to search for hyperbole.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @04:32PM
Ever heard of sarcasm. You might want to google that to while you are busy looking for that hyperbole.
(Score: 5, Informative) by jmorris on Friday March 31 2017, @12:40AM (53 children)
There was a time a dude got a lot of attention a major speech where he said he dreamed of a day when people would be judged on the basis of their character and ability instead of the color of their skin. Quoting him now makes one a racist. Now if you don't judge people first and foremost on the basis of their ethnicity and gender identity, if you do not proudly, loudly and often announce that you do this and do not condemn anyone who disagrees loudly and quickly enough, you are a bigot.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @01:20AM (34 children)
[begin coded message] SJW Special Task Force, jmorris Division, convergence update: jmorris now quoting MLKjr. Expect full recovery of sanity within months, if not weeks. Request preparations for assignment to new subject. [end coded message]
(Score: 2, Informative) by Scruffy Beard 2 on Friday March 31 2017, @01:44AM (2 children)
GP is probably referring to things like this:
From the second link:
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @06:18AM
By saying things like "Calling all white people", you instantly alienate a number of people. You're chastising a group of people who are connected only by the color of their skin, and that is utter garbage.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @10:52AM
Point is, we need to stop trotting out MLK for the most part, my fellow whitefolk.
That is a very racist position. I am not obliged to adopt and follow any ideas by the virtue of my skin color anymore than I am obliged to do so by the color of my irises or the shape of my asshole.
Because so many of us who are white don’t know crap about MLK.
Ladies and gentlemen, pointless statement of the year right there. Many black people don't know crap about MLK either. There are far too many historical figures for everyone to be intimately familiar with them. It is an unreasonable standard to demand such level of understanding before agreeing with someone else's ideas, and it is bigoted to decide who has to abide by this standard based on skin color.
But in truth, while he preached non-violent protest, he didn’t preach peace. He preached fundamental change.
Nonsense. Radical change and peace are not mutually exclusive. The writer is conflating two entirely different meanings of the word, she says peace (aversion of conflict) but is trying to refute peace (aversion of violence).
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday March 31 2017, @01:52AM (30 children)
Er, no, when guys like him quote King it's to try and turn the message around on its head and weaponize it for their own ends :/ I bet he also doesn't know King's other message was "riot is the speech of the unheard." The alt-reich like to quote him as the "good Negro" (i.e., the one who tells everyone else to shut up), in contrast with someone like Malcolm X or even W. E. B. DuBois...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @02:31AM (1 child)
W. E. B. DuBois is an example of somebody who’s done an amazing job and is getting recognized more and more, I notice.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @02:50AM
And I think through a lot of the actions and statements that he’s going to make, I think the contributions of W. E. B. DuBois will become more and more.
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @03:03AM (11 children)
You're saying the other side doesn't weaponize King?
I guarandamntee that those BLM hangers-on are abusing each and every word that they quote from King. "Kill Whitey! Kill the pigs!" Find any of that shit in an MLK speech, and I'll kiss your ass on Times Square.
Let's talk English here, and not some ghetto pig latin. If you can't agree that "all lives matter", then you're a racist son of a bitch. When you place ANY life above other lives, you're nothing but a bigot. Not a "reverse racist", but a RACIST!!
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @03:08AM (3 children)
> Find any of that shit in an MLK speech, and I'll kiss your ass on Times Square.
Don't make promises you can't keep.
“If they continue to use our nonviolence as a cushion for complacency, the wrath of those suffering a long train of abuses will rise.”
— The Progressive, 1966 Issue
“I contend that the cry of "Black Power" is, at bottom, a reaction to the reluctance of white power to make the kind of changes necessary to make justice a reality for the Negro. I think that we've got to see that a riot is the language of the unheard.”
— 60 Minutes Interview, 1966
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @01:11PM
In neither of those quotes is he advocating or encouraging violent acts. He is merely making the observation that the actions of any social underclass always seem to gradually increase in severity as, over time, their voices continue to go unheard, and their needs unmet, by those in power.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday April 01 2017, @02:56PM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 02 2017, @09:27PM
another:
But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the negro poor has worsened over the last twelve or fifteen years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity.
-- https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/protests [goodreads.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @03:14AM (6 children)
If you can't agree that "all lives matter"
Who has ever not agreed with that?
(Score: 2) by jmorris on Friday March 31 2017, @04:06AM (5 children)
You must not get TV or a newspaper where you live. Or you aren't in the U.S. Because oh yea, saying "All Lives Matter" is hella racist according to bigots like the Democratic Party. And they can't figure out that idiocy of that level is why we got Trump.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @04:16AM
Well if you're not really a conservative racist misogynist CEO cock sucking brown noser then you must be a massive troll. So, either stop trolling or cop to the fact that you shouldn't be using MLK quotes. One or the other pal o mine.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @04:33AM (1 child)
> "All Lives Matter" is hella racist according to bigots like the Democratic Party.
No, its not.
What is hella racist is saying "All lives matter" in an attempt to dilute "black lives matter."
"Black Lives Matter" is that rare double-ended dog-whistle.
If you are a racist, you hear "Only Black Lives Matter"
If you are not a racist, you hear "Black Lives Matter Too."
Which one do you hear j-boy? Which one do you hear?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @01:33PM
Black Lives Matter is a terrorist organization inspired by a Marxist terrorist Assata Shakur, (a.k.a Joanne Deborah Chesimard). Go ahead and deny facts.
In fact, I would love for our current President to take a page out of a book of the last President and use a drone to kill this terrorist.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @06:42AM (1 child)
[begin encoded message] SJW Special Task Force, jmorris Division, addendum to prior update: Looks like earlier prognosis may have been excessively optimistic. Subject remains irrational and endemically racist. Will attempt further injections of irrationality aimed at producing convergence. Cancel previous request for re-assignment. jmorris needs more work. Or the alt-option. [end encoded message]
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday March 31 2017, @04:34PM
I *told* you :v
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Funny) by RamiK on Friday March 31 2017, @03:05AM
Not just the alt-right. I've personally weaponized MLK against my girl who kept complaining about how she can't find makeup and clothes in the mall matching her dark complexion until I finally quoted King and adding that as long as she can make me a sandwich and vigorously roll around in the sack I don't particularly mind what she's wearing.
Then again, she complained I'm trying to "jew out of buying her stuff" so I guess she got me there...
compiling...
(Score: 2) by Desler on Friday March 31 2017, @03:09AM
Or just look at all the nice statements said about Muhammed Ali after he died then compare them to statements made about him back when he far more political.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @03:19AM (8 children)
> when guys like him quote King it's to try and turn the message around on its head and weaponize it for their own ends
Its called reactionary colorblindness. [salon.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @04:21AM (6 children)
I miss the days when you could have a conversation that wasn't easily boiled down into strawmen / no true Scotsman / counter racism / or reactionary color blindness.
And what the hell with salon.com being a real news / I go site?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @04:41AM (5 children)
> I miss the days when you could have a conversation that wasn't easily boiled down into strawmen / no true Scotsman / counter racism / or reactionary color blindness.
Those days never existed. You were just ignorant to what was going on around you.
> And what the hell with salon.com being a real news / I go site?
You want something more erudite?
Ok.
https://www.law.berkeley.edu/article/blind-spot-how-reactionary-colorblindness-has-infected-our-courts-and-our-politics/ [berkeley.edu]
https://www.stanfordlawreview.org/print/article/a-nation-of-minorities-race-ethnicity-and-reactionary-colorblindness/ [stanfordlawreview.org]
http://billmoyers.com/2014/09/04/whos-the-biggest-bigot/ [billmoyers.com]
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/colorblind-tim-wise/1101159071?type=eBook [barnesandnoble.com]
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday March 31 2017, @10:16AM (4 children)
Reactionary colorblindness? That's the world you asked for, slappy. Then you more or less got it and started asking for more than equality.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @08:55PM (3 children)
> Reactionary colorblindness? That's the world you asked for, slappy. Then you more or less got it and started asking for more than equality.
Dude, you don't even know the history of your own movement.
Reactionary colorblindness started in the late 60s.
It had nothing to do with "asking" for more than equality and everything to do with racists trying co-opt the language of anti-racism.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday March 31 2017, @09:43PM (2 children)
Dude, the only movements I've been involved with get flushed.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 01 2017, @01:32PM (1 child)
As usual loudmouth is a useless troll in the discussion
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday April 01 2017, @08:56PM
No need to be so hard on yourself.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @01:42PM
AHAHAHAHAHA Salon.com,
Jesus Christ, what's next you are going to tell me pedophilia is perfectly natural?
(Score: 0, Troll) by khallow on Friday March 31 2017, @04:55AM (4 children)
Er, no, when guys like him quote King it's to try and turn the message around on its head and weaponize it for their own ends :/
All I can say is that people who are more concerned about how the message is portrayed, than what it actually is, aren't the kind of people I respect.
The alt-reich like to quote him as the "good Negro" (i.e., the one who tells everyone else to shut up), in contrast with someone like Malcolm X or even W. E. B. DuBois...
At least they respect someone who is black. That's major progress.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @07:38AM (3 children)
All I can say is that people who are more concerned about how the message is portrayed, than what it actually is, aren't the kind of people I respect.
All I can say, is that khallow is saying this? Do you not realize that MKKjr was a Communist? That he held a PhD in Philosophy? And OMG, he was an actual "man of God", a preacher, a teacher, a prophet! And all you got is what you respect? My respect for you is fading, khallow. I used to think you were worth a shit. But now I wonder.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday March 31 2017, @10:17AM
Nobody's perfect.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday March 31 2017, @11:17AM (1 child)
All I can say, is that khallow is saying this? Do you not realize that MKKjr was a Communist? That he held a PhD in Philosophy? And OMG, he was an actual "man of God", a preacher, a teacher, a prophet! And all you got is what you respect? My respect for you is fading, khallow. I used to think you were worth a shit. But now I wonder.
Is your "respect" worth a shit? Read my damn post. It's quite clear that I wasn't speaking of King when I was speaking of respect. People who are worried that white racists will use King sayings for their own purposes, need a better quality of problem to worry about.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @09:10PM
> People who are worried that white racists will use King sayings for their own purposes, need a better quality of problem to worry about.
Said the white racist.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @02:46AM (5 children)
> There was a time a dude got a lot of attention a major speech where he said he dreamed of a day
> when people would be judged on the basis of their character and ability instead of the color of their skin.
He's the same guy who also said:
"We must come to see that the roots of racism are very deep in our country, and there must be something positive and massive in order to get rid of all the effects of racism and the tragedies of racial injustice."
— "Remaining Awake," 1968 (p 271).
“The problems of racial injustice and economic injustice cannot be solved without a radical redistribution of political and economic power.”
— “The Three Evils of Society,” 1967
"A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for the Negro."
"A section of the white population, perceiving Negro pressure for change, misconstrues it as a demand for privileges rather than as a desperate quest for existence. The ensuing white backlash intimidates government officials who are already too timorous."
— A Testament of Hope (anthology)
Anatole France once said: 'The law in its majestic equality forbids all men to sleep under benches — the rich as well as the poor...France's sardonic jest expresses a bitter truth. Despite new laws, little has changed...The Negro is still the poorest American — walled in by color and poverty. The law pronounces him equal — abstractly — but his conditions of life are still far from equal."
— "Negroes Are Not Moving Too Fast", 1964 (p. 176-177).
"Although the terms desegregation and integration are used interchangeably, there is a great deal of difference between the two...Desegregation simply removes legal and social prohibitions. Integration is creative...more profound and far reaching than desegregation...
"Integration...is the welcome participation of Negroes into the total range of human activities...Desegregation is not enough; integration alone is consonant with our national purpose."
— "Ethical Demands for Integration", 1963, (p.118).
It's all right to tell a man to lift himself by his own bootstraps, but it is a cruel jest to say to a bootless man that he ought to lift himself by his own bootstraps.
— Sunday morning sermon at the National Cathedral in Washington, D.C.
> Quoting him now makes one a racist.
No. Quoting him in order to deflect from acknowledging that the day he dreamed of is still far in the future makes one a racist.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @02:55AM (1 child)
America is past racism. We even have an orange president.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday March 31 2017, @04:09PM
We even have an orange president.
They prefer the term alt-skintone.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @03:12AM
jmorris is just presenting alternative facts. Real facts aren't wanted.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @10:22AM (1 child)
Mr King said all of these things in the context of his times 50 years ago. His principles may be timeless, but to imply his judgment of America after such a long time to be accurate is beyond ridiculous. His opinions of America back then are no more true today than the opinions of his contemporaries on Japan.
No. Quoting him in order to deflect from acknowledging that the day he dreamed of is still far in the future makes one a racist.
He is quoting him to point out how some people don't live by their own principles. Either you accept Mr. King's view that discrimination based on race is wrong or you support judging people based on race when it comes to employment. These two positions are objectively mutually exclusive. It is valid criticism to point out that people who assert both of those positions at the same time are at best not living up to their own rules, or at worse unprincipled two-faced hypocrites.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @09:07PM
His principles may be timeless, but to imply his judgment of America after such a long time to be accurate is beyond ridiculous.
No, his opinions are still accurate because so very little has changed.
Black families are still 16x poorer [forbes.com] than white families and most of that wealth is in a single depreciating asset - the car that they need in order to work.
Unarmed black people are still routinely killed by police who aren't even charged with a crime and when they are charged, they are rarely convicted.
Sunday morning still overwhelmingly the most segregated hour of the week. [cnn.com]
And public schools have been re-segregating [washingtonpost.com] to the point that we are almost as bad as it was before separate but equal was struck down.
(Score: 2) by Desler on Friday March 31 2017, @03:06AM (4 children)
If MLK were still alive, I'm quite sure he'd point out how your cherry-picking only quotes of his you like while ignoring plenty of other statements that run contrary to your attempted narrative.
(Score: 0, Troll) by jmorris on Friday March 31 2017, @04:16AM (3 children)
Oh I know the "Dream" speech was carefully crafted rhetoric to serve a purpose. There is a lot of evidence he was a Communist, but I have seen writings where he seems to reject the Communists, demonstrating an understanding of the dead end it is and it's utter hostility to Christianity. So who really knows, lets judge what he did and said and not get into endless debates about beliefs and motives. There is also a good argument he was merely playing "Good negro" to the Panthers "Bad violent negros". But it isn't arguable that the "Dream" speech is considered problematic now, as ably demonstrated by Prog posters in the replies to my post; but progs in leadership positions find it difficult to memory hole it without eliminating King entirely from history and they have invested too much in his legend for that.
It also isn't really debatable that King and Co. had some pretty legitimate grievances with the Southern Democrats of their day.
The question that really ignites a message forum though is "Did the Civil Rights Movement, as it actually happened, MLK, Panthers, riots, affirmative action, welfare state, lawless SCOTUS rulings and all, advance or reverse the lot of blacks in America viewed with the full benefit of hindsight?" I'd say it was a net negative, and challenge anyone to look at what has happened, look at the trendlines in the 1960 before it all went crazy and dispute the assertion.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @04:30AM
Wool boy jmo has gone off the rez. It really does a person good to see the veil drop and the crazy person you always knew lurked is out in the open. Jmo has had plenty of crazy posts, but misappropriating MLK has really "been a thing."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @04:43AM
I'd say it was a net negative, and challenge anyone to look at what has happened, look at the trendlines in the 1960 before it all went crazy and dispute the assertion.
I looked at all the "trendlines" and you are totally wrong.
You SMF.
(Score: 2) by Desler on Sunday April 02 2017, @05:59PM
The question that really ignites a message forum though is "Did the Civil Rights Movement, as it actually happened, MLK, Panthers, riots, affirmative action, welfare state, lawless SCOTUS rulings and all, advance or reverse the lot of blacks in America viewed with the full benefit of hindsight?" I'd say it was a net negative, and challenge anyone to look at what has happened, look at the trendlines in the 1960 before it all went crazy and dispute the assertion.
Strange how it's only white people espousing this view.
(Score: 2) by driven on Friday March 31 2017, @06:06AM (6 children)
Say the wrong thing in a public forum and you can be 'attacked' on twitter, etc and lose your job.
Evolution of all species didn't work because it was homogenous. Diversity is what brought all of life's creatures forward, and diversity of people and their opinions will also bring us forward. Not every thought is a good thought, but silencing all but the mainstream views is sure to keep us from progressing. People need to respect others' right to free speech.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @06:32AM (4 children)
> Say the wrong thing in a public forum and you can be 'attacked' on twitter, etc and lose your job.
Why should your freedom of speech over-ride our freedom of association?
> silencing all but the mainstream views is sure to keep us from progressing.
Sorry dude, that shit don't fly.
Equality isn't just a mainstream view.
Its a foundational principle of this country, a truth that we hold to be self-evident.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday March 31 2017, @10:21AM (2 children)
You do know arguing your right to speak but not his directly contradicts your push for equality, yes?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 01 2017, @01:39PM (1 child)
Basic comprehension fail again. They weren't advocating censorship, they were saying they are free to associate with whom they'd like or say what they want in response to someone else's speech. Say some nasty hateful shit that gets published and visible? Expect blowback, expect to be called out on twitter or whatever medium.
Go back to school TMB, it seems you need to learn more beyond the realm of programming.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday April 01 2017, @09:00PM
Indeed. You definitely had one if you can't see that their goal is to shut down any speech they disagree with.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday March 31 2017, @11:19AM
Sorry dude, that shit don't fly. Equality isn't just a mainstream view. Its a foundational principle of this country, a truth that we hold to be self-evident.
Except, of course, when someone says the wrong thing. Fuck that guy.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @07:42AM
Say the wrong thing in a public forum and you can be 'attacked' on twitter, etc and lose your job.
Interesting theory, but jmorris has not job, other than keeping the clowns and homeless out of the basement of his mother's home. Not that that isn't an important job and a valuable service to society.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @12:46AM (5 children)
I know that when I see a corporate website where their technical "staff" look like this:
https://www.sandstormdesign.com/sites/default/files/we-are-super-diverse.jpg [sandstormdesign.com]
that the software will be the BEST it can be!
Much better than what somebody like this:
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/portrait-of-a-man-with-geeky-glasses-on-picture-id122413538 [gettyimages.com]
could do.
(Score: 2) by dyingtolive on Friday March 31 2017, @12:54AM (1 child)
I can't help but feel as though the first picture looks like it comes from a recruiting pamphlet for your local cult.
Creepy lack of personal space and those smiles. Oh god, those plastic smiles.
Don't blame me, I voted for moose wang!
(Score: 2) by butthurt on Friday March 31 2017, @01:42AM
I think those are both stock photos. Compare the first to the photos at https://www.sandstormdesign.com/who-we-are [sandstormdesign.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @01:55AM
Elsewhere on the site, you can find real employees. :-)
First, gender: The picture is 55% female. The reality is 46% female. OK, not too far off, but on opposite sides of the magic 50% number. It's even reasonable for a place that is mostly not programming. They do marketing stuff with a bit of web design.
Second, race: The picture is I suppose 33% black. The non-white portion is 33% to 55% as far as I can tell, because a couple are ambiguous. The reality is 0% black, 0 out of 26. The non-white portion also seems to be 0%.
It's funny and sad that the photo is itself racist; they feel that their own staff are too white to be seen in public.
Do as we say, not as we do, eh? It reminds me of the super-liberal Huffington Post and their hypocrisy:
https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/800055596120764416/photo/1 [twitter.com]
http://www.mediaite.com/online/people-are-really-piling-on-the-editors-at-huffpo-who-released-this-tweet/ [mediaite.com]
http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/05/21/huffington-post-editor-posts-diverse-meeting-photo-twitter-sparking-social-media [foxnews.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @02:06AM (1 child)
I'm not seeing any diversity in those photos. Everyone has perfect teeth, rosy faces, and I think everyone is wearing lipstick. Where are the hillbillies? How come no one has a golden tooth? Why no midgets? What do they have against people with facial scars?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday March 31 2017, @11:21AM
Where are the hillbillies? How come no one has a golden tooth? Why no midgets? What do they have against people with facial scars?
Those people don't exist in our shiny, new world.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @12:49AM (8 children)
Maybe successful projects can afford diversity.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @12:57AM
We keep ours by the foosball table.
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Friday March 31 2017, @01:04AM (6 children)
Maybe people who are open to working with other people, who don't look like their mirror images and were educated differently, end up being good at incorporating foreign (Not Invented Here) ideas into their projects?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @01:14AM (1 child)
You sound just like a white supremacist, reason and logic are tools of the white male patriarchy! Why don't you acknowledge progressive politics? Enough with you, in the name of tolerance I demand we nuke Kekistan!
REEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeee....!!!!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @01:24AM
, reason and logic are tools of the white male patriarchy!
Now that right there is what I call an alt-fact. The fact that it is so obviously not true is the reason we can't have white supremecy! Miso/racists are not even smart enough to false-flag properly. Hoo-boy!
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @01:21AM (1 child)
And maybe foreign shitholes are shitholes because the people "educated" there are educated "differently" and the "not invented here" ideas are bullshit that sounds really good in theory but don't work at all in practice. If Somalia was such a booming place and a cradle of innovation and ideas then why the fuck are they stuck 500 years behind the rest of the world. Oh yeah, wait, I know that one. It's the "white man's fault".
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Friday March 31 2017, @01:29AM
If Somalia was . . .
Oh, excuse me! I assumed you were referring to the United States? You did say "people "educated" there are educated "differently"". A reference to Betsy DeVos, Shirley?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @10:36AM (1 child)
You mean like Asians? Funny how success in the tech industry conspicuously matches with the propensity for hard work among each population group. It's almost like there could be a causative relationship there or something.... naaah must be racism!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @01:49PM
We are in post factual world, or so the Marxists keep telling us. "Repeat a lie often enough" and that kind of nonsense. Soon they will outlaw 2+2=4 as form of hate speech because it oppresses the poor little minority kids who are not good at math. To them "2+2=5" is much easier so therefore it should be that way and we will make things more equal.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Dunbal on Friday March 31 2017, @01:24AM
I guess when you're out of ideas then any idea is better than no idea. Corporatism is part of the death cycle of innovation and creativity, not the birth cycle.
(Score: 2) by Snotnose on Friday March 31 2017, @01:51AM (25 children)
Diversity in thought can be useful, yeah. But diversity in gender, sexual orientation, race, religion, whatever? IMHO, if you push your viewpoint based on these criteria then the organization is doomed to failure.
If, say, gender diversity was the bee's knees we'd see a lot less male dominated silicon valley companies succeeding.
A straight guy realizing "Um, if we did this we'd get a shit-ton of gays" is not diversity, it's realizing how your product works.
"Diversity" is a blame game for why there aren't more women/bi/gay/colored/transsexual folks in the workplace, when the fact is those women/bi/gay/colored/transsexual folks aren't showing up for interviews. Prolly cuz they don't exist.
/ I'm gonna wish I hadn't said this in the morning
// Not that I'm not right
/// But because I'm not Politically Correct
When the dust settled America realized it was saved by a porn star.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday March 31 2017, @02:03AM (22 children)
Hell, you're entirely correct. I will cop to white and cis privilege, but this is coming from someone who ticks half the boxes on this list.
This sort of cargo-cult mentality regarding diversity is a sign of a mentally bankrupt organization. Yes, you want to make sure you have a wide set of viewpoints and backgrounds on your team, but they also have to be competent to do the work. This is a band-aid, a lot like affirmative action; something people do to assuage their guilt over their complete lack of fucksgiving when it comes to actually solving the systemic issues at the root of all this.
When these organizations start fixing up inner city schools, rescuing human trafficking victims, opening food banks, THEN I'll be impressed. At this point it's attempting to signal virtues they don't have. Save the signalling for when you have something to back it up with.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Friday March 31 2017, @04:20AM (21 children)
Hey, the only reason we have the Moldy Brisket coding here on SoylentNews is for diversity! As part Native American, and left-handed, and under 5 foot, he counts triple on Scrabble!
(Score: 3, Touché) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday March 31 2017, @10:24AM (20 children)
That's Indian (feather not dot), you racist fuck! Also acceptable are American Indian, Blanket Ass, and Wagon Burner. Prairie Nigger only if we're friends.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday March 31 2017, @04:21PM (19 children)
Good grief, if you're actually $FRACTION-Indian, that makes your bullshit even worse. I'm not surprised, as such, just...well, disappointed. Even more so than usual.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday March 31 2017, @06:13PM (18 children)
You should pay more attention if you didn't yet know this. You know, read a post instead of just throwing out some unrelated vitriol in reply.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday March 31 2017, @08:32PM (17 children)
Hadn't seen it mentioned before. I had made the assumption (yes, yes, I know, assuming makes an ass out of you and some guy in Hong Kong named Ming...) that anyone as completely selfish, evil, and all-around assholian as you couldn't possibly be anything but WASP in this country. I overestimated your self-awareness, *again.*
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @09:13PM (16 children)
The guy claims to be part cherokee.
Just like every other liar who claims to be part native american.
Seriously, its so common its a joke. [nerve.com]
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday March 31 2017, @09:51PM (15 children)
Did I? It's possible, I suppose. Generally I say Chickasaw if anyone asks because that's what all the paperwork says. Now I am equal parts Chickasaw and Cherokee but you're only allowed to claim one tribal bloodline for official purposes and nobody really cares all that much so I rarely get into detail.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday March 31 2017, @11:26PM (14 children)
So can I call you Pocahontas from now on? :D Or maybe Shitting Bull?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday April 01 2017, @01:04AM (13 children)
I think having the dangly bits would make Pocahontas a bit too far off the mark for the desired effect. Go for it with whatever else you can come up with though. I'm not ashamed of my races so epithets get no traction with me.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday April 01 2017, @01:34AM (12 children)
Got it, Pocahontas it is. Though I really do think "Chief Shitting Bull" fits you really well, like a glove almost :)
Your response was absent your usual venom, though. It almost sounded defeated. Did something happen? ...because whatever it is I hope it keeps happening.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday April 01 2017, @03:13AM (11 children)
Venom, from me? Never happen. Bitchslapping clueless noobs is my hobby. I enjoy it. Not really in the mood just at this moment though.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday April 01 2017, @05:10AM (10 children)
Whatever you say, Pocahontas :) You've been getting your shit wrecked nine ways from Sunday this entire week.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Redundant) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday April 01 2017, @05:49AM (9 children)
I think you've been reading different comments than I have.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday April 01 2017, @07:11AM (8 children)
I think you're a whiny little bitch, and like every other time you get your fat lying ass handed to you you resort to outright denial. Ain't that right, Pocahontas?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday April 01 2017, @10:21AM (7 children)
Think whatever blows your skirt up, darlin. It's no skin off my nose.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday April 01 2017, @11:30PM (6 children)
You keep falling for this crap, Uzzard. If it really didn't bother you, you wouldn't hang on my every post like a lonely teenager wondering why her crush hasn't texted her back. This is the fourth time in memory I can count that one of our exchanges has lead to you sitting here plugging your ears and insisting you haven't gotten your ass beat like...well, like what Runaway's daddy used to do to him :)
Everyone. Can. See. You.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday April 02 2017, @12:51AM (5 children)
Sweety, unless I just can't be arsed to (everyone has those days), I respond to everyone. Don't worry though, you're still special for other reasons.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday April 02 2017, @06:36AM (4 children)
You're another one what doesn't know the first rule of holes, Pocahontas. I'm going to keep mocking you until you drop dead of a what-passes-for-a-brain-with-you aneurysm.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday April 02 2017, @10:28AM (3 children)
Enjoy yourself. I remain other than bothered.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday April 02 2017, @07:39PM (2 children)
Not even you believe that, Chief Shitting Bull. If you did, you wouldn't keep responding to every---single---post---I make like an abandoned special needs kid wondering why his mommy doesn't love him anymore.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday April 03 2017, @12:12AM (1 child)
Meh, if you're just going to spout provably false nonsense, I think we're done for now.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday April 03 2017, @02:37AM
We were done about 12 posts ago when I handed you your fat Bud-swilling ass :) You're not foolin' no one but you, Pocahontas.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by TheRaven on Friday March 31 2017, @09:51AM
If, say, gender diversity was the bee's knees we'd see a lot less male dominated silicon valley companies succeeding.
That doesn't really follow, unless your input set is a mixture of diverse and non-diverse companies. In reality, almost all funded startups in the valley are male dominated and have around a 90% failure rate. Perhaps they'd have an 85% failure rate if they were more diverse, perhaps they'd have a 95% failure rate, but we don't have the information to extrapolate.
Diversity in thought can be useful, yeah. But diversity in gender, sexual orientation, race, religion, whatever? IMHO, if you push your viewpoint based on these criteria then the organization is doomed to failure.
I see one as a route to the other. Society places a lot of pressures on people growing up that shape their adult worldview and these pressures are different depending on socioeconomic background, gender, and ethnicity. The goal is a diversity of ideas and viewpoints, but that's far easier to accomplish with people from different backgrounds. The companies that are annoying in this regard are the ones that add men and women of different ethnicities from wealthy backgrounds in the same few areas and say 'look, we're super diverse!' - it's only true if 'super' is short for 'superficially'.
sudo mod me up
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 31 2017, @01:58PM
Diversity in thought is rubbish. Having a moron on your team that thinks 2+2=5 is not beneficial. That person brings 0 practical value to the project, and only a marginal value as a case study of what a fucking moron user might do with the system.