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posted by martyb on Wednesday September 27 2017, @10:15AM   Printer-friendly
from the No-Way! dept.

What was it that one learned through a great books curriculum? Certainly not "conservatism" in any contemporary American sense of the term. We were not taught to become American patriots, or religious pietists, or to worship what Rudyard Kipling called "the Gods of the Market Place." We were not instructed in the evils of Marxism, or the glories of capitalism, or even the superiority of Western civilization.

As I think about it, I'm not sure we were taught anything at all. What we did was read books that raised serious questions about the human condition, and which invited us to attempt to ask serious questions of our own. Education, in this sense, wasn't a "teaching" with any fixed lesson. It was an exercise in interrogation.

To listen and understand; to question and disagree; to treat no proposition as sacred and no objection as impious; to be willing to entertain unpopular ideas and cultivate the habits of an open mind — this is what I was encouraged to do by my teachers at the University of Chicago.

It's what used to be called a liberal education.

The University of Chicago showed us something else: that every great idea is really just a spectacular disagreement with some other great idea.

Bret Stephens's speech warrants a full read. It makes valuable points that we all need to hear, even on SN.


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  • (Score: 2) by jmorris on Thursday September 28 2017, @04:10PM

    by jmorris (4844) on Thursday September 28 2017, @04:10PM (#574402)

    No, we want to destroy Conservatism and seize the Republican Party. If you haven't heard the refrain that Conservatives have failed to conserve anything before it means you are in the Prog echo chamber. Hell, *I* have been saying it *HERE* since before Trump was nominated.

    I abandoned Conservatism after reading Kirk's The Conservative Mind and realizing that the modern Conservatives are not failing because they suck, because they are sellouts, because they let the media bully them, none of that. They are doing exactly what they set out to do, gently slow the Left's journey to the Sunny Uplands of History. They do this because it was what every major Conservative thinker from Burke forward hold to be proper. The problem is the base wants them to do stuff that isn't Conservative and they keep promising it with no intent to do it because they don't believe in it.

    The alt-right realize that installing Trump was a mistake.

    Not at all. But we have to keep the pressure on him exactly like any other politician. Not only to actually remind him we expect results, but to create an environment where movement Right is more possible by making Trump appear moderate. Kinda like why the Left stays active even when they have Clinton or Obama in the Oval Office. We aren't Conservative so we read your books too. Tactics aren't tied to one Party, we can use Alinsky almost as well as the Left. What we really need is to create the impression Trump is the good cop, the moderate offering a sensible compromise, the one holding back the ravening mob of crazies out here in the Base.

    The fact that he ousted Bannon

    Ah, but did he? Or did he redeploy him to the front right as primary season started? It is now apparent to all that the Republican Party has no more intention of implementing the Trump agenda than the Democrats do, so a primary war against them is going to be required. The current ones can't be bullied enough, not until a large number of them are replaced, enough to terrify the remainder into going along to keep their jobs. They do not believe Trump or his movement can threaten them, we must find out if they are correct.

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