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"It was known that green tea polyphenols are more effective and offer more health benefits than black tea polyphenols since green tea chemicals are absorbed into the blood and tissue," said Susanne Henning, the study's lead author and an adjunct professor at the UCLA Center for Human Nutrition. "Our new findings suggest that black tea, through a specific mechanism through the gut microbiome, may also contribute to good health and weight loss in humans."
That specific mechanism seems to be that it changes the ratio of bacteria in the intestine by increasing the microbes associated with lean body mass and decreasing those associated with obesity. While both green and black teas act as prebiotics in this way, it seems that black tea might have a leg up over its green partner.
The study fed four groups of mice different diets. One group ate low-fat, high-sugar foods,while another had high-fat, high-sugar meals. The other two were both on a high-fat, high-sugar diet but one got green tea extract, while the other received black tea extract.
[...] Because black tea seems to work in the gut, while green tea works in the liver as well as the gut, a combination of both drinks might be most helpful, especially since both beverages have been linked to multiple health benefits beyond weight loss.
The researchers did not specify how much sugar to mix with your black tea.
Susanne M. Henning, et. al. Decaffeinated green and black tea polyphenols decrease weight gain and alter microbiome populations and function in diet-induced obese mice, European Journal of Nutrition, doi:10.1007/s00394-017-1542-8
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @07:24PM (5 children)
What about the oxalates [nih.gov] and fluoride [fluoridealert.org] in black tea?
I switched to green. 0.25 to 1.0 gallon per day.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @07:44PM
Oh and obviously I don't drink decaffeinated tea because WTF. If I want decaf tea I'll drink some rose tea.
(Score: 4, Funny) by JoeMerchant on Friday October 06 2017, @07:57PM (3 children)
As long as you are not concerned with the Purity of your Life Essence (in your precious bodily fluids), then the Communist (tea is Chinese, after all) fluoridation plot shouldn't bother you.
- Group Captain Lionel Mandrake, at your service.
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(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 07 2017, @01:57AM (2 children)
Unless you'd like your bones to stay strong of course. Fluoridation of water supplies is strongly correlated with only one health outcome, hip breakage in the elderly.
Roughly half of all fluoride ingested is never excreted. It just builds up in your bones, eventually causing fluorosis.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Whoever on Saturday October 07 2017, @04:29AM (1 child)
Really? [nih.gov]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 07 2017, @05:06AM
If I get 100 drunk drivers to drive a set course, and ten of them wreck their cars, and then i compare the blood alcohol levels of those who crashed with those who didn't, then since those that crashed have the same level as those that didn't, I can say with confidence that alcohol does not affect driving ability.
Do you see the problem with that methodology?
(Score: 4, Funny) by Runaway1956 on Friday October 06 2017, @07:31PM (7 children)
I want to come back as a mouse. Mouse health has been researched so much more thoroughly than that of humans. With all the knowledge of mouse health, I should be able to live forever!!
(Score: 3, Insightful) by JeanCroix on Friday October 06 2017, @07:34PM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @07:40PM
Too bad they kill the mice at the end of the experiments.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @07:43PM
...and if you survive their experiments, you'd be put out to stud?
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @08:19PM
Come back as one of those poor mice in the mouse universe experiments....
(Score: 2) by frojack on Friday October 06 2017, @08:57PM (2 children)
Oddly, this study was done only with male mice.
And its not clear if ALL tea was decaffeinated, or only the green tea. Mention of "decaffeinated" occurred exactly in one place, and may be read to apply only to the green tea.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 2) by sbgen on Saturday October 07 2017, @12:59AM (1 child)
> Oddly, this study was done only with male mice.
You stumbled on a well kept secret there - most of the biomedical research is done on male mice and NIH has been worried about the wider implication of that. Perhaps the mechanisms found are not actually applicable to all.
Warning: Not a computer expert, but got to use it. Yes, my kind does exist.
(Score: 3, Funny) by MostCynical on Saturday October 07 2017, @05:33AM
So what else is there?
/s
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Kilo110 on Friday October 06 2017, @07:37PM (6 children)
What is the significance of the leaves being decaffeinated?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @07:45PM (1 child)
It's heavily processed and hella gay *pops caffeine pill*
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @09:44PM
It's heavily processed and hella gay *pops caffeine pill into rectum after inhaling a popper*
FTFY.
(Score: 3, Informative) by VLM on Friday October 06 2017, @08:09PM
Presumably the stimulant effects of weight loss from caffeine.
Often the unsaid is the most interesting part of the story, perhaps they can't use regular because they're using like 500 grams per kilo of mouse and the caffeine dose would kill the mouse. Thats how I'd interpret it without reading.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @08:51PM (1 child)
The black tea is not decaffeinated. The article linked to in TFA mentions decaffeinated green tea and black tea (not decaffinated green and black teas). TFA doesn't mention decaffeinated at all.
The headline of TFS is incorrect.
(Score: 2) by frojack on Friday October 06 2017, @09:00PM
The "decaffinated" in the headline of TFS appears to come directly from the headline of the study, not the linked TFA.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Friday October 06 2017, @09:42PM
Caffeine - being a powerful stimulant - would be suspected of skewing the study results.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @07:47PM (2 children)
Oolong tea [google.com]
...which is in between the 2. [google.com]
Get the best of both?
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 1) by rylyeh on Friday October 06 2017, @10:25PM
Maybe - They had major time constraints?
"a vast crenulate shell wherein rode the grey and awful form of primal Nodens, Lord of the Great Abyss."
(Score: 2) by fritsd on Saturday October 07 2017, @04:36PM
Or Lapsang Souchong, that's on the other side of Black tea I presume.
Or White tea, like those luxury flower balls.
(grabs his 1/2 liter mug of green tea)
(Score: 1) by rylyeh on Friday October 06 2017, @10:34PM (3 children)
I'm told it is traditional to have green tea for the morning only.
After that, it's the other various teas that are consumed.
Of course, I also smoke a pint of 'tea' a day!!!
(obscure reference - 'Subterranean homesick blues' by Simon/Garfunkel)
"a vast crenulate shell wherein rode the grey and awful form of primal Nodens, Lord of the Great Abyss."
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @10:38PM (1 child)
"Subterranean Homesick Blues" is by Bob Dylan!
(Score: 3, Funny) by captain normal on Saturday October 07 2017, @12:17AM
Is he smoking a pint of buds, or is he vaping a pint of hash oil? Either way no wonder he mixes up Simon and Garfunkel with Bobby Z.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts"- --Daniel Patrick Moynihan--
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 07 2017, @01:12AM
You mean "A Simple Desultory Philippic (or How I Was Robert McNamara'd into Submission)"
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @11:15PM (2 children)
I don't know about all these health stuff, but if you like tea, and if you like black/red tea, try some decent quality Sri Lanka/Ceylon tea. It's got fruity/citrus flavor that, unlike some cheaper black tea, you don't need to drop a slice of lemon/orange to enhance the flavor. Peet's have a pretty decent stuff of the kind.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 07 2017, @12:38PM
Another recommendation from a layman would be tea with tasty bergamot oil. It's also got a citrusy flavor and does contain a lot of polyphenols, not sure how healthy though. However if taken in large doses, it's toxic. (like most things)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 08 2017, @04:50AM
Just realized there's a tea store down the road a few weeks back, so I switched from bag tea to their loose leaf tea. Didn't really cost more, and it's so much better. The only earl grey I've tried with bag tea that was good was Twinings.
I don't think the supermarket stocks Peet's over here in flyover country.
(Score: 2) by Snotnose on Saturday October 07 2017, @01:36AM (7 children)
I got IBS 2 years ago. I shit before 7 AM every day. I have for the last 40 years or so. I'm happy with that schedule.
My morning poop routine used to be I get up, grab a book, and spend 10-15 minutes taking care of business. I'm done for the day and fine with that, hop in the shower, go to work or whatever. I'm done for the day.
Now, 2-4 times a week I shit twice, or sometimes thrice a day. This is not a good thing. I did my morning poop routine for years. My wife is fine with that. Even better, the smell doesn't cause my neighbors to evacuate. Not to mention I didn't have to use the communal bathroom, with random people walking in with pithy comments like "you die in there?". Fuck you.
I still do my daily 7 AM poops. But a couple times a week I get the urge. With a normal poop I can hang on for hours. With my new, advanced poop, I can hang on minutes. If I'm in an urban environment it's just a little embarrassment. Stop drop trou and let fly. Driving trips? Yeah, when you drive from San Diego to Casper Wyoming how often are you 5 minutes from a bathroom? Not very. I love driving. I have a 32G USB drive with lots of music. I like being alone, and I like driving. Except when I'm halfway between bumfuck nowhere and sux2bu elsewhere, and I got 5 minutes to hang my ass over a toilet.
Doctors? Drugs? Google IBS. There is no common cause, there are no drugs to help. I interpret this as god saying "you've done what you need to do, stay the fuck home and enjoy the fruits of your labors."
When the dust settled America realized it was saved by a porn star.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Reziac on Saturday October 07 2017, @02:24AM (6 children)
Been there, done that.... and no, you will not find a GP or even an internist who will pick up on this:
IBS is so strongly correlated with Hashimoto's thyroiditis (something like 99% when patients are actually checked for thyroid antibodies) that some endocrinologists now consider IBS a positive diagnostic all by itself. The reason is that antibodies attack the thyroid gland, which then leaks thyroid hormone directly into the bloodstream (in big gouts instead of the normal tiny dribble), and the excess makes the gut hypermotile == lots of shitting (sometimes as diarrhea). Once the thyroid gland is sufficiently destroyed that it can no longer keep up, there will also be periods of constipation. And eventually, death from flabby heart syndrome, high blood pressure, dementia, or cancer (all commonly caused by low thyroid). Thyroid affects *everything*.
Get a full thyroid workup, including antibody profile. Do NOT rely on TSH test; by itself, it is worthless. Don't be put off by "you're not overweight, so it can't be your thyroid" (not true -- can even be underweight!) Some labs will let you order the tests yourself (full workup is under $200 if all done at once), but if you don't have one that will, go to https://www.holtorfmed.com/ [holtorfmed.com] and root around, there's a signup there somewhere (you won't be spammed) that lets you download an order sheet for the tests.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 07 2017, @04:51AM (1 child)
Or cut out ALL gluten for a month. An estimated 40% of people with gluten intolerance are not diagnosed.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 07 2017, @08:10AM
And the other 60% with gluten intolerance are not diagnosed, either, they just need something to be sick of.
(Score: 2) by Kawumpa on Sunday October 08 2017, @06:04AM (3 children)
Hi, Could you please reference papers supporting the link between Hashimoto's and IBS?
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Sunday October 08 2017, @06:50AM (2 children)
I would if I could find 'em offhand. Over the years I've collected a huge mass of literature, and it's become scattered across multiple systems, and I haven't kept track of sources (tho it largely comes from articles published in JCEM and BMJ. My background is biochemistry, which is helpful in weeding out BS.)
However I can tell you how I most likely got there -- start here:
http://hormonerestoration.com/files/TSHWrongtree.pdf [hormonerestoration.com]
If you track down the citations, and their citations... one of them eventually brings you to a list of academic papers -- 128 pages long. It's probably in there!
The articles on bipolar vs thyroid are particularly interesting. One shrink achieved a 90% cure on his bipolar patients by taking them off all other meds and treating them solely with T3. (And I looked at that vs the Hashi mechanism, and thought -- well, d'oh...)
Also, it looks like hyperparathyroidism is actually the end-stage, not a separate disease. (The only study I've seen that's looked at this found 100% of their HPT patients had Hashi antibodies, even tho they'd tried to screen out thyroid disorders. Which makes sense considering how HT affects calcium transport.)
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2) by Kawumpa on Sunday October 08 2017, @08:18AM (1 child)
Thanks, but that's actually not very helpful when you make strong assertions like
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Sunday October 08 2017, @01:48PM
You can believe it or not as you like. Most doctors won't believe it either, but they don't read the literature, and thyroid is barely touched on in their schooling, because the old idea that it's a fixed syndrome with limited symptoms is still prevalent, as is the idea that TSH tells all (I found the original study on how TSH range was determined, it was appalling bad science). Some are willing to read and learn, others are not. JCEM back issues are online for all the world to see.
One problem is that because symptoms are so variable, for each and every study finding X, there is an equal and opposite study finding not-X -- in one case using the same data!! But this typically changes if they bother to check Hashimoto's antibodies (which by definition indicate a history of thyroid disease), or look at tissue T3 (which often does not reflect TSH or even T4, especially in the elderly). The HPT study had tried to actively exclude thyroid disease and was looking for something else entirely, so was shocked to discover that for their remaining sample, 17 for 17 had Hashimoto's antibodies (they weren't even planning to check that, but one of the researchers had an intuition, and there ya go.)
But having read hundreds of studies, and having the background to grok the concepts -- I've concluded that for ANY chronic condition (including psych disorders), and for ALL cases of age-related disease or debility, thyroid should be the FIRST thing investigated and in full depth, not the last resort and just a TSH test as is typical (if they look at it at all). It affects absolutely everything -- it can even have such vague and apparently-unrelated symptoms as adult-onset tooth decay (because it indirectly causes calcium robbing) and elephantiasis (thyroid antibodies can also attack the skin and joints). Normalize thyroid, and a host of apparently-intractable disorders go away without further treatment.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 07 2017, @12:23PM (1 child)
well, i prefer leaf soup to bean soup.
also, maybe it's just advertisement, but isn't it "tea-in" not "coffee-in" in leaf soup?
(Score: 2) by fritsd on Saturday October 07 2017, @04:43PM
They found out in 1838 it's the same substance: from the wiki page on Caffeine [wikipedia.org]: