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A federal grand jury in Washington, DC has indicted 13 Russian nationals and a Kremlin-linked internet firm on charges that they had meddled in the 2016 presidential election.
The US government said Russian entities began interfering in US political processes, including the 2016 presidential election, as early as 2014, according to a court document.
[...] The charges – which include conspiracy, wire fraud, bank fraud and aggravated identity theft – are the most direct allegations to date of illegal Russian meddling in the election.
Link to the Indictment: https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download
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Mueller Investigation: Thirteen Russians Charged With Interfering in US Election
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(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Monday February 19 2018, @07:13PM (5 children)
GO, MAN, GO!
My wife and i were watching a show on netflix last night (something about the last days of the third reich or something) and the announcer/whatever is going on about how morally bankrupt the German people were but it got me thinking:
The Americans (and Soviets) raced like bloody hell to Germany when they heard that there had been experiments on Jewish prisoners: NOT to take that data and destroy it as it was morally wrong in the way it was obtained but to take it and absorb it all.
Yes, some was used for good(ish)... they knew how long a person could survive in certain temperature water, etc, but a lot of it would have been of questionable value (morally speaking).
[^this, to me, is like a serial killer not getting to write a book and profit from it, but someone else comes along and writes a book and profits from it: maybe of some value to someone, but a morally questionable profit.]
As well, they raced to beat the Soviets to the scientists who worked in the fields of rocketry and nuclear science: not to put them to trial for the damage and loss of life they were accountable for, but for the knowledge they had.
America crying crocodile tears: "You did us harm!.....just like we did to you. "
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday February 19 2018, @07:40PM
Destroy the data? Sorry, I have a different perspective. As reprehensible as the experiments were, they did yield valuable data. You mention hypthermia, specifically. The knowledge from those experiments has saved many lives. It has probably saved many Jewish lives, as well as non-Jews.
I think that if I had been a subject of those experiments, I would have wanted the data to survive the sadistic assholes who tortured me to death.
No, I can't speak for the Jews. I'm basing my idea on what I think that I would have wanted. Maybe we should research whether Israel has made us of any of that data? Or, maybe we should find out whether an American Jewish doctor uses that data in his practice.
Many years ago, I learned cold weather survival. They had a "rule of 30" that we had to memorize. Thirty minutes, at thirty degrees, with a thirty mile per hour wind, freezes exposed flesh. I never questioned where that information came from. In retrospect, that probably came from Nazi Germany. That bit of survival information is just one more thing we owe the Jews for.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday February 19 2018, @07:47PM (3 children)
That's absurd. Are you really going to tell me, for example, that a few medical experiments were more valuable to the Soviets than the Eastern Bloc was? They both raced like hell so they would control more territory at the end of the war.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Monday February 19 2018, @08:29PM (2 children)
Yes, shit, they raced for territory, but they also raced for scientists, data, filing cabinets. They took who they could get as fast as they could as fast as they took territory.
But I'm talking about the Americans here: the Soviets were just a side line in the conversation. Focus!!
The Americans weren't going to get anything out of 'territory', but they SURE AS SHIT got something out of the data and scientists they whisked away from Europe and back to U.S.
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(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday February 19 2018, @09:24PM (1 child)
Yes, they would. That would mean less territory for the Soviets after the war.
Which is vastly more than just medical experiments on Jews. For example, there was the ballistic missile program and the German nuclear weapon research.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday February 19 2018, @09:25PM