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posted by chromas on Wednesday April 04 2018, @10:57PM   Printer-friendly
from the science dept.

Antarctica 'gives ground to the ocean'

Scientists now have their best view yet of where Antarctica is giving up ground to the ocean as some of its biggest glaciers are eaten away from below by warm water.

Researchers using Europe's Cryosat radar spacecraft have traced the movement of grounding lines around the continent. These are the places where the fronts of glaciers that flow from the land into the ocean start to lift and float. The new study reveals an area of seafloor the size of Greater London that was previously in contact with ice is now free of it.

[...] On the face of it, the results are pretty much as expected. Of the 1,463km² of grounded ice that has been given up, most of it is in well documented areas of West Antarctica where warm ocean water is known to be infiltrating the undersides of glaciers to melt them.

Dr Konrad explained: "If you take 25m per year as a threshold, which is sort of the average since the end of the last ice age, and you say anything below this threshold is normal behaviour and anything above it is faster than normal - then in West Antarctica, almost 22% of grounding lines are retreating more rapidly than 25m/yr. "That's a statement we can only make now because we have this wider context."

The new data-set confirms other observations that show the mighty Pine Island Glacier, one of the biggest and fast-flowing glaciers on Earth, and whose grounding line has been in retreat since the 1940s, appears now to have stabilised somewhat.

Net retreat of Antarctic glacier grounding lines (DOI: 10.1038/s41561-018-0082-z) (DX)

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  • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday April 04 2018, @11:31PM (3 children)

    by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Wednesday April 04 2018, @11:31PM (#662684)

    This can't be right. That nice Mr. Koch and his brother keep telling me that climate change is some awful gay agenda lie.

    He has no reason to lie, does he?

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by bob_super on Wednesday April 04 2018, @11:48PM (1 child)

      by bob_super (1357) on Wednesday April 04 2018, @11:48PM (#662690)

      Mr Koch likes the ice in his drinks to be certified at a million years old. We gotta melt a lot of more recent snow to get down to those layers, boy.

      • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday April 04 2018, @11:59PM

        by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Wednesday April 04 2018, @11:59PM (#662692)

        He deserves it too, what with all the work he is doing to Make America Great Again™.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 05 2018, @02:29AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 05 2018, @02:29AM (#662741)

      NOAA pulling license for this satellite in 3...2...

      oh, it's an ESA satellite? sad! so sad!

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 05 2018, @12:42AM (8 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 05 2018, @12:42AM (#662711)

    So 22 % are faster than 25 m per year. How many are slower? I guess they don't say, because it would be less alarming.

    • (Score: 2) by Arik on Thursday April 05 2018, @01:50AM (6 children)

      by Arik (4543) on Thursday April 05 2018, @01:50AM (#662728) Journal
      88% - x, where x is the percentage that are exactly 25m/yr, within appropriate tolerances for their measurement methods, which we can conventionally generalize to 0 (as it surely would be were the measurements sufficiently precise.)

      So ~88%, give or take a few fractions.

      Actually sounds reassuring, if he hadn't couched it in such alarmist language I would have mistaken him for a skeptic.
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      • (Score: 1) by Arik on Thursday April 05 2018, @01:58AM (5 children)

        by Arik (4543) on Thursday April 05 2018, @01:58AM (#662729) Journal
        sorry, 78%, obviously.
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        If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 05 2018, @02:24AM (4 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 05 2018, @02:24AM (#662739)

          Good point. I still count this story as evidence that climate researchers try to spin every story for maximum fear factor. The data itself seems rather blah.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 05 2018, @05:55AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 05 2018, @05:55AM (#662791)

            Who the hell gets a fuck on what you count? You're an AC

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 05 2018, @06:27AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 05 2018, @06:27AM (#662802)

              People who get my point? Obviously, your neural circuits don't have that capability yet.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 05 2018, @03:38PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 05 2018, @03:38PM (#662974)

            That sounds to me like this old joke:

            18% of all traffic accidents are caused by drunken people. That means 82% of all traffic accidents are caused by sober people. We should forbid sober driving!

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 05 2018, @03:57PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 05 2018, @03:57PM (#662982)

            I still count this story as evidence that climate researchers try to spin every story for maximum fear factor."

            You seem to be confused about the difference between journalists and researchers.

    • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday April 05 2018, @07:02PM

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday April 05 2018, @07:02PM (#663054) Journal

      So 22 % are faster than 25 m per year. How many are slower? I guess they don't say, because it would be less alarming.

      Not enough to make up the difference: Net retreat of Antarctic glacier grounding lines

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