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Averting Toxic Chats: Computer Model Predicts When Online Conversations Turn Sour
The internet offers the potential for constructive dialogue and cooperation, but online conversations too often degenerate into personal attacks. In hopes that those attacks can be averted, researchers have created a model to predict which civil conversations might take a turn and derail.
After analyzing hundreds of exchanges between Wikipedia editors, the researchers developed a computer program that scans for warning signs in the language used by participants at the start of a conversation -- such as repeated, direct questioning or use of the word "you" -- to predict which initially civil conversations would go awry.
Early exchanges that included greetings, expressions of gratitude, hedges such as "it seems," and the words "I" and "we" were more likely to remain civil, the study found.
"We, as humans, have an intuition of whether a conversation is about to go awry, but it's often just a suspicion. We can't do it 100 percent of the time. We wonder if we can build systems to replicate or even go beyond this intuition," Danescu-Niculescu-Mizil[*] said.
The computer model, which also considered Google's Perspective, a machine-learning tool for evaluating "toxicity," was correct around 65 percent of the time. Humans guessed correctly 72 percent of the time.
[...] The study analyzed 1,270 conversations that began civilly but degenerated into personal attacks, culled from 50 million conversations across 16 million Wikipedia "talk" pages, where editors discuss articles or other issues. They examined exchanges in pairs, comparing each conversation that ended badly with one that succeeded on the same topic, so the results weren't skewed by sensitive subject matter such as politics.
[*] Cristian Danescu-Niculescu-Mizil: assistant professor of information science and co-author of the paper Conversations Gone Awry: Detecting Early Signs of Conversational Failure. (pdf)
The technique sounds useful for non-internet conversations, too... is there an app for that?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @12:45PM (21 children)
Nazis.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @12:54PM (19 children)
Godwins Law 1990: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Hitler approaches 1"
Soylent Law 2018: "In an online discussion, the probability of the alt-right being mentioned by aristarchus is 1"
(Score: 1, Disagree) by VLM on Wednesday July 25 2018, @01:36PM (18 children)
Typo, fixed below:
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @02:02PM (16 children)
The creed of schoolyard bullies and murderous tyrants alike
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by VLM on Wednesday July 25 2018, @02:18PM (2 children)
Naah thats "from each according to their ability and to each according to their need" or whatever Ocasio-Cortez is saying this week.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @02:50PM (1 child)
Never mind that actual socialists seem to hate her guts. Ocasio-Cortez on “Meet the Press”: Double-talk, evasion and a disavowal of socialism [wsws.org] (July 2nd):
I think I am highly suspicious myself. Delay?! Are you mad, woman?! Well, I do not have a womb... however, let us hear from one of the original SJWs, William Lloyd Garrison [wikipedia.org]:
Quite the contrast with these supposed SJWs. They SJW about the most meaningless shit in the most impotent way possible. Their strategy seems to be to allow women's reproductive rights to be destroyed, and then as a consolation to working class women, encourage them to be angry with "all men" instead of with the Republican Party (for obvious reasons) and the Democratic Party for utterly fucking failing.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @05:21PM
Actual socialists say that in no way is the Swedish Nordic-model socialist.
http://www.socialistworld.net/index.php/international/europe/77-sweden/3752-Sweden--Is-Sweden-Socialist [socialistworld.net]
(Score: 2, Insightful) by LoRdTAW on Wednesday July 25 2018, @04:54PM (12 children)
You mean the snowflakes that get butthurt and yell like children when you mention russia or diss trump? Funny how they did the same when obama was in office. But thats none of my business.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday July 25 2018, @06:27PM (11 children)
Snowflakes melt under disagreement and demand censorship to protect them. Preferring to argue back precludes snowflake status. Learn words before you use them and you'll avoid looking silly.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @09:29PM (3 children)
Kind of like when aristarchus' very first alt-right submission was accepted, and TMB threw a fit and demanded it be suppressed, since aristarchus was trying to paint all conservatives as alt-right? Good thing nothing like that ever happens!
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday July 26 2018, @01:11AM (2 children)
That's going to continue every single time I see shitty journalism on its way to our front page unless it's submitted in a meta way for us to mock. You're free to do the same. #editorial is an open IRC channel and not +m.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 26 2018, @08:10AM (1 child)
In another thread, jmorris just suggested that you are down with Holocaust denial. How plead you, Oh Mightingly Brussander? Going down with the alt-right, all the way to the neo-nazi? Maybe aristarchus hit too close to the bone, eh?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday July 26 2018, @10:36AM
I don't plead at all. Or beg. Or even ask twice unless you didn't hear me the first time.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Wednesday July 25 2018, @10:57PM (6 children)
Someone's triggered...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @11:35PM
Must be all the flak he got with his AC VIM rants.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday July 26 2018, @01:07AM (4 children)
Trust me, if anyone eventually manages to trigger me, actual triggers will be involved. The best anyone here's managed to date is moderate annoyance.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 26 2018, @01:43AM (3 children)
Yes your actual trigger will be involved with triggering you. Do you even English?
Ooooh, noooow I get it, you were trying to work in a gun angle cause you're such a tough guy! I get it now, how sad that someone thinks its ok to murder someone else if they make them angry enough. Another notch in the sociopath belt for The Might Buzzard, maybe you should think about Alcoholics Anonymous.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday July 26 2018, @01:55AM (2 children)
No, darlin, I'm saying that unlike you trigglypuffs who scream for daddy to make them be nicer to you, when rage happens to me you can put money on violence ensuing. Given that I haven't so much as struck a single person in anger since my 20s, I'd say I'm remarkably laid back.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 26 2018, @08:13AM (1 child)
For those of you keeping score at home, this is TMB crying for his mommy. Pathetic. If you are easily affected by emotional displays, now is the time to look away, look away. (Series of Unfortunate Might Be Buzzards)
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday July 26 2018, @10:38AM
Harris is awesome as usual in that show but it still sucks.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @05:41PM
Therein lies the root of your mental illness. Don't worry, pretty much no one is praying for you at this point so you're chances of recovery are about the same.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @02:14PM
no doubt.
what this teaches me is that i need to train myself to remain objectively neutral when writing. that way even the best forum post wizards wont detect when i am about to fly off the handle and call them all stupid and erase their stuff with the admin rights i received for being so normal up until then.
then they will ask what went wrong the models are so accurate when used on people that follow the kardashians on twitter, are there really people that are not normal that contribute to academic research as a volunteer, unpaid effort?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @12:50PM (33 children)
You guys seriously think any of this is applicable here? You think conversations here, despite disagreements, don't remain remarkably civil?
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @01:23PM (16 children)
There's a certain class of people on this website who just cannot stand a differing point of view; rather than debate someone's point or just move on with their lives, they insist on abusing the moderation system to collapse comments with which they disagree.
That's not civil.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @01:44PM (1 child)
Oh, you pure unique snowflake, how I pity you. (opps, I used you. And until then the conversation went sooo civil)
(Score: 2) by requerdanos on Wednesday July 25 2018, @09:33PM
You people with your pity are very compassionate. And your snowflake recognition is supposedly a censorship tool? or are y'all on-point and just the ones being censored? I have trouble following these nutty theories; the lack of factual underlying basis makes them a little ephemeral for digestion.
No offense.
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(Score: 4, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday July 25 2018, @01:57PM (12 children)
Register and upmod the comments then. That's why everyone gets ten points a day.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @02:11PM (11 children)
One "side" is not very civil; they have no moral qualms with silencing someone who disagrees.
(Score: 5, Informative) by takyon on Wednesday July 25 2018, @02:17PM (9 children)
If that were true, the karma of certain users would be in the shitter. TMB and VLM both have 50 though. realDonaldTrump is at 45 despite being blasted with downmods lately. Seems the asymmetry is currently favoring speech.
Certain comments deserve to be modded down. Certain users and anons will whine about being modded down. Life goes on.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @02:21PM (1 child)
You know that's nonsense.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday July 25 2018, @02:27PM
Click on any highly opinionated person's nick and have a look. Or wait a few days and I'll pull proof of how horribly wrong you are directly from the db.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday July 25 2018, @02:24PM (5 children)
Plus it's much, much easier to gain karma than to lose it. ACs can only lose one point per comment, registered two, but they can gain five points per comment, four for registered folks.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @02:43PM (4 children)
The result is that in a long-term, recurring debate (e.g., something regarding politics), those who disagree with a censorial group WILL be shut down.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday July 25 2018, @03:46PM (3 children)
It most certainly is not. I have long, heated debates all the time with world + dog. This would not be the case if either I or my.opponents were being shut down. Find any highly opinionated person on the site and you'll find the exact same thing. We self-correct quite well on average.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @05:33PM (2 children)
So, I just don't know what you're bagging on about. Your replies certainly don't resonate with my experience.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @05:43PM
If you're shitposting harder than TMB then you reaaaally need to take a good hard look at yourself, y'know, objectively as much as possible.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday July 25 2018, @06:31PM
I'm not bragging. I'm saying either you're posting low quality garbage or you're lying to stir up shit. Either way, up your game.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday July 25 2018, @03:16PM
Are you related to John Cougar, by any chance?
(Score: 2) by Thexalon on Wednesday July 25 2018, @05:58PM
That's total nonsense. I'm about as left-wing as they come, the sort who thinks Bernie Sanders doesn't go far enough and descended from a guy who was blacklisted in the 1950's for his communist connections. My karma is 50 most of the time. There are a bunch of right-wing folks whose karma is also 50 most of the time.
Since you're an AC, I don't know what your actual posting history looks like, but when I've read at -1 threshold, I've found that those comments modded into oblivion completely deserved it for non-political reasons. If you want to be modded up, I suggest not posting things that aren't stupid and are more interesting than repeating slogans of whatever affiliation you've decided to give yourself.
Here's an example of the kind of post that I would disagree with and probably reply to, but would never consider modding down:
"While this ballot initiative sounds like a great idea, it's going to cause a budget problem because there's a $10 billion price tag and no obvious way to make it up."
Here's an example of the kind of post that I would agree with, and would mod into oblivion:
"Trump is T3H SuX00RR5 L0L!"
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 2) by requerdanos on Wednesday July 25 2018, @09:39PM
Why not browse at -1 like most other people? That way you see everything, and get a nice bump of "yeah!" when an offtopic, trollish, etc. post gets modded down to -1 or a great post gets modded up, and you get to exercise your righteous indignation in private at seeing all these insightful, inspiring posts modded down while insipid groupthink gets modded up right along with the good comments.
The key word for you in the above paragraph is "private". Claiming that changing the number that appears beside a short online publication is somehow "censorship" just makes you look less intelligent and credible when the rest of us see you do it.
you you you.
(Score: 0, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @01:26PM (15 children)
So, let's say a user mostly talks about technical stuff, but occasionally leaps into the fray on some political issue. Well, guess what? The censorship-happy users can go down-mod the technical stuff too, and thereby cut that user out of further debate for a month (or at least force that user to connect via some VPN or Tor, which has its own problems).
It's not civil at all. In fact, it's very irritating.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday July 25 2018, @02:14PM
Register and that doesn't happen without getting reversed. ACs don't get to claim mod bombing though because nobody but staff can tell one from another, OO aside.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Troll) by VLM on Wednesday July 25 2018, @03:06PM (8 children)
Usually I get (downmod) pounded when I get way off topic or make a weak argument, and rightly so by the mannerbund and I can respect and learn from that. I drink very rarely like less than once a month, but if I drink and shitpost the result is usually amateurish and awful, at least thats my weak shitty excuse.
Sometimes the more outright leftist propaganda slanted stories I'll get attacked solely in those stories for pointing out the slant.
An example would be the recent twitter political censorship story where the implied slant of what happened in Charlottesville was off the charts extreme left wing fake news talking point having very little relationship with reality, and pointing that out was NOT well received, downmodded, fuck off nazi type replies. To some extent I'm very proud of that situation, my post was so accurate and correct and factual the only political motivated response was sophistry, censorship, and name calling. If its that hard to disagree with what I write, maybe they should just face facts and agree with me? Guess I hit a nerve with laser like precision. This kind of situation is very rare, however. I'd say I get falsely downmodded around once a quarter.
I will admit that including right wing memes and call outs and dog whistles in the shitpost dramatically increases the odds of it being downmodded. Strictly fact based encyclopedic reporting ALONE is much less likely to get downmodded than if I include at the end "P.S. 1488 gas the feminist landwhales" at the end. Especially if the article has nothing to do with landwhales or monolithic quadruple RS-232 line drivers from the pre-MAX232 integrated line driver integrated circuit era. Yes I am so old that I used 1489 and 1488 chips along with shitty +/- 15V dedicated linear power supplies, those were the bad old days for sure, but nostalgia, etc. For those who don't know, thats what 1488 means; those guys carrying torches and chanting "1488" at rallys, they're good old EE boys who dindu nothing wrong and merely used old computers a lot in the 70s/80s. Pretty self referential meta there, wonder if this post will make it thru LOL...
On the other hand I recall a month or two ago finding a fake news gun control story that somehow got thru the editing queue without anyone noticing that five minutes of google work would show that the "academic paper" in the story was published in a fake journal, the only source of grant money for the "study" was an explicit gun control political action committee, the conclusion of the fake academic paper was suspiciously similar to the mission statement of the gun control advocacy PAC, the "authors" of the paper seem to be employees of the PAC, it was just the weakest propaganda fake news marketing white paper full of lies as if it were a real academic research study I've seen in awhile. And that should have gotten slammed per the previous paragraph targeting data, although it didn't. I admit I was laughing at the low quality of the propaganda effort pretty hard while posting about it, which kept me on topic.
Now what I DO see downmodded often is stuff thats so weird I can't even define it, and not superficially political, so where exactly is a comment like this not off topic, obviously someone else's drunk shitposting game is way past mine:
Like, what does that even mean? Is that even written in English? It kinda seems to be, but ...
I've also seen some pretty weird long erotic fiction on SN in some inappropriate articles get downmodded into oblivion. You'll have some article about hard drive long term survival with a comment about SMART hard drive test results over time on Linux and outta nowhere the next comment will be some bizarre BDSM erotic fic, and all I can really say about that, is you gotta expect that kinda thing after integrating systemD, I guess. Don't miss that, the grass really is greener over on FreeBSD, although I still nostalgically remember the pre-systemd linux days back when stuff actually worked.
So I guess the above is an attempt at a fact based referenced copy and pasted examples counterargument to
or rephrased, put up or shut up? I'm not saying its never happened, but the rate of it happening has been observed to have an incredibly low upper bound rate if the rate is not actually zero.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday July 25 2018, @03:32PM
LMAO @ 1488. I might try a hit of whatever you're smoking. Hell, you might even be more than half right, but that sure as hell isn't what 1488 means to a bunch of skinheads!
(Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday July 25 2018, @05:47PM (6 children)
what happened in Charlottesville was off the charts extreme left wing fake news talking point having very little relationship with reality, and pointing that out was NOT well received
Yes, just screaming FAKE NEWS over and over again is Redundant.
If you're going to lie about video we all saw with our own two eyes, in the face of an indictment that could carry the death penalty [npr.org], you should probably expect to get modded down.
Now, if you cared to enter a debate in good-faith, stopped lying, and chose to argue that he is innocent until proven guilty, you probably wouldn't get the same treatment.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @08:16PM (5 children)
You make his point for him. What happened in Charlottesville was not limited to one single reprehensible incident. You choose to focus only on that and justify the down modding while overlooking all other activities from both sides. That was his point.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @11:51PM (4 children)
So focusing on the vehicular murder is the wrong thing there? You are insane.
We could argue all day about which violent group was how wrong, but in the end the neo nazi running people over with is car was the most important part. Saying "both sides" is stupid and we're tired of hearing you defenders of Nazis.
VLM is well known for spewing hateful lying garbage he gets from whatever nutty outlets, that is just a fact at this point.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 26 2018, @09:33AM (2 children)
When the right wing death squads emerge and begin the new holocaust, should I be there to defend you?
Maybe I should focus exclusively on the preceding terror attack from "your side" and simply accept that this response was inevitable.
You people are well known for spewing hateful garbage you get from whatever nutty outlets, that is just a fact at this point.
(Score: 2) by Oakenshield on Thursday July 26 2018, @01:19PM (1 child)
When the left wing death squads emerge and begin the new cultural revolution or Khmer Rouge purge, should I be there to defend you?
Maybe I should focus exclusively on the preceding terror attack from "your side" and simply accept that this response was inevitable.
You people are well known for spewing hateful garbage you get from whatever nutty outlets, that is just a fact at this point.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 26 2018, @07:10PM
The left wing death squads are already here. We've seen what they can do, and it's nothing.
When the right wing death squads appear, you will be very aware.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 26 2018, @01:55PM
Painting everyone on "the other side" in broad strokes based upon the actions of one nutcase is the wrong thing there, yes. Should ALL progressive movement proponents be judged based upon the actions of Yvette Felarca, Nasim Aghdam, Eric Clanton, or any of the violent extremists that associate with them? Just because you disagree with the ideology of "the other guy" doesn't mean that the actions of one murderer is representative of everyone.
Look at it this way. When a Middle Eastern person drives over a bunch of innocent people and "the other side" paints all Middle Easterners as terrorists, do you jump up and down screaming "Nuh Uh"? Or do you say, we shouldn't have any Middle Easterners here because they are all like those Islamist murderers in Toronto, Columbus, Boston, New York, London, Paris, Berlin, Barcelona, Ft Hood, Orlando and everywhere else these things occurred? Maybe they didn't all participate in the action, but "They all agree with the philosophy." This is exactly how the left is behaving.
When everyone who disagrees with you is a "Nazi" you ought to realize you are not seeing clearly. Take a good look in the mirror and maybe you will see that you are blinded by your own ideology.
(Score: 5, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday July 25 2018, @03:26PM (4 children)
Not so. I've tried to explain this elsewhere, let me try it again.
I'm a somewhat hi-vis person here. Some of the lefties hate me, some of the lefties dislike me, and of the remaining people, I think most are close to neutral, with a few people liking me. I have no fear of jumping into a conversation, and I reap the downmods from those who hate me the most, plus I get some from the people who dislike me. And, TBH, sometimes I get downmods from neutral people, and even a few from people who probably like me.
But, unless you make an effort to be censored into oblivion, there are enough moderators who are rational, and fair, to pull your stuff out of obscurity.
Just because 3, 9, or even 12 people mod me a troll, does NOT mean that my post becomes invisible.
Somewhere, back in the mists of time (meaning more than a couple days ago) TMB posted the list of the recipients of the most troll mods. TMB and I were both near the top of that list. Neither of us has disappeared, or dried up and blown away as a result.
If you are contributing meaningfully, don't worry about detractors. Keep up the good work, and people will show their appreciation.
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @04:12PM (3 children)
Oh, gosh. I was hoping you'd be sleeping your hangover in a sewage drain and let me be spared of your babble. You can't abstain, can you?
In your dreams perhaps. It's the visibility of an annoying mosquito in a hot tropical night.
Hardly can call most of your posts a "conversation" Mostly noise, like those short wave russian stations bleeding into a neighbouring frequency.
This assumes your post having something worth saving - a big assumption when it comes to your posts. But yeah there are weird people with a fetish for bullshit.
It doesn't make it bear a meaning either. I suspect those who save your bullshit from oblivion are doing it to have some examples to teach their grandkids how not to behave.
Ironic, ain't it. All this thread starting from a whiny AC post. Meaningful contribution indeed.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @04:47PM (1 child)
Jelly?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @10:30PM
Nope. Jerky
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @05:49PM
I disagree with Runaway all the time and believe he makes lots of shitposts without fully being aware, yet your little tit-for-tat list there is the height of lame bitchy whining. It is no surprise what part of your personality is causing the downmods.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by looorg on Wednesday July 25 2018, @01:01PM (6 children)
Google has a perspective? Really? What exactly is Google's perspective?
There apparently was a quiz in the text one could try and see if one was sort of like the other humans, as good as Google or just guessing wildly.
http://awry.infosci.cornell.edu/ [cornell.edu]
That all said and done. I took the test. Apparently I'm worse then Google at detecting potential toxic conversations, not by much but still just below.
OK so I took the test ... I'm worse the Google at detecting when things about to go toxic apparently ...
(Score: 3, Informative) by looorg on Wednesday July 25 2018, @01:04PM
I'm also apparently shit at editing my posts before hitting submit ...
(Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday July 25 2018, @01:17PM (3 children)
I got a whopping 7 of 12. Who would have thought that begging for a "barnstar" on Wikipedia would lead to a personal attack?
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @02:49PM (1 child)
It's wikipedia. Toxicity is expected.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday July 25 2018, @03:16PM
Every single one of the exchanges in the quiz from Wikipedia. So you have to pick which one will become more toxic. :-)
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(Score: 2) by looorg on Wednesday July 25 2018, @03:48PM
That was the same score I got, at first I was somewhat curios that it said out of 12 when the initial information said 15 questions. But I think the first 3 didn't count; it said warm-up on them or something such next to the question number. I see it as at least being one better then just pure coin-flipping. On the other hand the difference between 7/12 and 8/12 is like 8% or so. Which means that Google was probably just two better then the coinflip and the humans was just one better then Google. So thinking of it like that there is really a minor difference between the two.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @01:28PM
Remember Tay?
Perspectives is an AI whose idea of "toxicity" was defined by Muslim Brotherhood / Democratic Party operatives Wajahat Ali and Shahed Amanullah [archive.is] with the assistance of Randi Harper, Anita Sarkeesian, Zoe Quinn, etc. It's a long thread, so search for Google and you will see them. This is being done at the request of the state of Qatar and its American operatives. [brookings.edu] All of the big corporate media have signed up to use it to clean out their comments sections.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by VLM on Wednesday July 25 2018, @01:35PM (9 children)
The definition itself of toxicity is designed to feminize normal healthy male interaction and normal healthy well adjusted non-left wing judgment. In the sense of "toxic masculinity" being any masculinity at all, and so forth. Or non-left wing judgment in that you can always tell a guilty feeling leftist scum by repeated demands of "don't judge me bro"
I suppose there could be other criteria such that they intentionally exclude healthy banter among friends as being "toxic" or otherwise exclude healthy people and healthy cultures entirely.
In modern academia, anything harder core than two girl scouts talking about who loves unicorns and balloons more, is toxic masculinity.
Its amusing to consider fairly normal banter that would be considered highly toxic by the warped and weird study criteria.
I'm not sure "guess" would be the correct way to phrase answer selection, its more an intelligence and reading comprehension test of "which convo would be more likely to result in a protective-coloration purple haired SJW 1488th wave feminist ree-ing demands to check privilege?"
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @01:55PM (5 children)
At the end of the day, shit needs gettin' done, and normal healthy non-leftist Men are the best at getting shit done.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @05:53PM (4 children)
Heh, then pray tell why has the economic activity become concentrated in liberal areas? Oh right, just more of your jealousy leaking through so you try and use dumb shit like hanging a pair of nuts of your truck's bumper to make you feel important and manly.
You know how to tell when someone has been emasculated and needs to bolster their self-esteem with nonsense?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @06:00PM (1 child)
The mathematician and historian Oswald Spengler (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Decline_of_the_West/ [wikipedia.org]) wrote about this.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 26 2018, @12:00AM
I'm going to take an uneducated stab after reading the wikipedia bits.
The decline of Western civilization is actually the ideological decline of capitalism and oligarchy. The way forward for humanity is a more decentralized distribution of wealth and power instead of the top down pyramid structure that has been dominating heavily for thousands of years.
Western civilization gained power and control through technological imperialism, but now the general population in the western cultures are realizing what a sham the capitalistic ideal really is. We will take the good and try to fix the bad and start the next cultural / civilization epoch. Hopefully we can get most of the world on board with a better system before the insane people push the big buttons.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 26 2018, @02:26AM (1 child)
Liberals are attracted to wealth, because you can't steal from poor people to pay for your stupid ideas.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday July 26 2018, @10:47AM
That's progressives if you want to use a name less triggery than the more accurate "communists". Liberal is the exact opposite of what they are.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday July 25 2018, @03:37PM (1 child)
Well, you'll admit that masculinity can actually be toxic. A lot of women have gotten all swollen up due to the toxicity.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @04:16PM
Everything old is new again, eh, Runaway? Recycling lame jokes from adolescence doesn't make them better though.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @08:38PM
I'm pretty left-wing. Being "left" used to mean being about freedom, possibly to the point of anarchism. Certainly the freedom to speak your mind. You're confusing the "old" left with the shouting brigade of red-painted fascists known as the ctrl-left.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @02:28PM (5 children)
So in case you've wondered how all these FOSS projects that rammed Coraline Ada Ehmke's CoC down everyone's throat are gonna enforce it in the future... this is it. If you tend to use "hurtful" or "aggressive" language to make a point, no worries. This algorithm will prevent you excluding yourself from the community by auto-censoring you before you slip up and make yourself like a Nazi, a fascist or misogynerd.
You will learn to speak the way we allow you too, or remain silent. Welcome to the future.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday July 25 2018, @05:49PM (4 children)
Translation: If you're an asshole people don't want to hang out with you.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @05:55PM
Nailed it. The irony of the "snowflake" insult just makes me smile nowadays.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @07:45PM
Expect systemd being a pinnacle of perfection in design and workmanship in this new, nontoxic... let's call it a biofilm [wikipedia.org] as it's by design not a community of people.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @08:25PM
Two counterpoints:
1) Some people are magnificient assholes. Think Linus Torvalds. Would you rather eject him from the Linux kernel dev team so the project can be a "safe environment" for some rando millenials who are triggered by his "toxicity" or do you think it's better for the project when he plainly tells people when their ideas or contributions are shit?
2) CoCs are against the hacker ideals I'm used to or can identify with. The community used to be self-moderating without any artificially imposed rigid laws and rules. If someone is an asshole, either ignore them/live with it or move on. Or confront them about it. But who are you to tell someone else how they're allowed to communicate or what they mustn't say? We already have laws for that in the civilized world...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @09:40PM
Don't be so hard on yourself, we hang out here and respond to you all the time.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @03:55PM (1 child)
Let's see ... "Runaway or Ethanal-fueled joins the conversation". Fini
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Wednesday July 25 2018, @07:45PM
Such a nice, civil conversation, for me to not participate in!