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posted by janrinok on Sunday August 26 2018, @07:42PM   Printer-friendly
from the must-be-a-cheaper-way dept.

Everyone knows that America's big cities and especially San Francisco live in their own financial bubbles.

Average rent in the City by the Bay is nearly four times greater than the US average, coming in at $3,750 a month for a one-bedroom apartment. The cost of living is 80 per cent higher than the rest of America. A typical cup of coffee costs a demented $6 – and some will charge a mind-boggling $20. The internet surge of the past few years has only deepened the problem: tech bros earning six-figure salaries have edged out working families, and homelessness, despite a slight retreat recently, remains high.

But among all the issues that have been rudely visited upon San Francisco, the one that has rich people most riled up is also the most human: shit. As in other people's shit. Dog shit, too, but mostly human shit.

Thanks to the impossible cost of living in the city and a repeated refusal by residents to cough up enough money to deal with the jump in homeless folk, more people that[sic] ever before are living on the streets with no where to go at night and – thanks to no one wanting to dirty up wonderfully clean and luxurious shopping centers and office buildings – no where to go (as in go) during the day. The result: shit. Tons of it.

"I will say there is more feces on the sidewalks than I've ever seen growing up here," said the city's new mayor London Breed recently. "That is a huge problem and we are not just talking about from dogs – we’re talking about from humans."

And so San Francisco has decided to deal with it in the only way it knows how: pay others to erase the problem from its sight. But before you wonder who on earth would accept a job cleaning up other people's excrement in one of the most expensive cities in the world, consider this: it pays well. Really well.

[...] All of which means that if you are lucky enough to grab a coveted spot on the Poop Patrol – it's a ten-person crew with its own minivan – you will earn a base salary of $71,760 a year. Add in benefits including health insurance, pension and so on and it brings the package to a rather enticing $184,678 a year.

Source: www.theregister.co.uk/2018/08/25/san_francisco_clean_up/


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  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:00PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:00PM (#726656)

    What's interesting is that one of the Left's favorite insults is that the Right is "reactionary".

    Yet, we see again and again that the Right is about prevention of non-existent problems, the Left is about treatment of increasingly festering troubles—paying people to scoop up poop is what's reactionary. Cities where leftists have taken undeniable command seem to end up overrun by the homeless, buried in diseased hypodermic needles and human waste, drowning in ironically high costs of living, followed by the rise of gangs and street violence.

    You know what? How about we respect property rights again. Sleeping, pooping, and drugging on someone else's property is a criminal offense—and it should be that way for property owned by the public as well. Homelessness is degrading to the homeless, and it's a crime against every one else. You can't have a society without enforcing property rights.

    They promised to build a clean society; well, paying beaucoup bucks to scrape up poop ain't what we had in mind.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:02PM (40 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:02PM (#726658)

    Buy many of those outdoor self cleaning public restrooms like Atlanta has (ATL should buy more though)

    Or

    Make some large bathrooms and station 3 officers at each one overnight

    • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:09PM (38 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:09PM (#726660)

      Call them "prisons".

      Trespassing (and therefore homelessness) is a crime.
      Pooping in public is a crime.
      Shooting up heroine in public is a crime; hell, public intoxication is a crime.

      Enforce the fucking law. Statists rant and rave about the necessity of governing, by they never do it. They NEVER govern.

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Snow on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:28PM (21 children)

        by Snow (1601) on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:28PM (#726664) Journal

        It costs about 33k to house a prisoner.

        It would be a lot cheaper to give each an apartment.

        • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:36PM (10 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:36PM (#726666)

          These people are not just "you on hard times".

          This is a serious problem that requires serious measures.

          • (Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @09:09PM (3 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @09:09PM (#726683)

            you are a non-functioning person you just don't have a clue about it

            • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @09:25PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @09:25PM (#726697)

              The U.S. public is getting tired of all the half measures and pussyfooting.

              Either take command of the situation now, or me and my ilk will do it for you.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @12:19PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @12:19PM (#726869)

                Your ilk? These days people make fun of you and your pointy white things that you can't see out of sometimes.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @09:41PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @09:41PM (#727139)

              That this comment was modded to +5 indicates a serious infestation on this site.

          • (Score: 5, Insightful) by acid andy on Sunday August 26 2018, @10:34PM (5 children)

            by acid andy (1683) on Sunday August 26 2018, @10:34PM (#726718) Homepage Journal

            These people are not just "you on hard times".

            In what way? Are you seriously trying to tell us that these are the wrong kind of homeless people, that there's a right kind and a wrong kind? WTF?

            Soylent's sinking to a new low with the comments on this thread!

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            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @11:03PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @11:03PM (#726724)

              Soylent USA's sinking to a new low with the comments on this thread!

              Don't blame non-US soylenters for the crap in US, we are soylenting at home thank you.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @03:53AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @03:53AM (#726799)

              Well, you won't be homeless for that long. You're a functioning person who just happened to have a bad turn of luck in terms of, say, cash flow; if someone gave you an apartment for free, you'd be back on your own feet pretty damn quick.

              Chronically homeless people are not like that. They are broken people. You can't just give them a free apartment and think you've done something useful.

              Get it yet, idiot?

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @10:40AM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @10:40AM (#726845)

              I think he's still under the impression that most homeless people are either alchoholics or drug-addicts
              If that's the case you can't help them get back on their own feet economically without fixing the addiction first

              Of course "most homeless are addicts" hasn't been true for a at least a decade now... Things change

              • (Score: 4, Insightful) by acid andy on Monday August 27 2018, @11:31AM (1 child)

                by acid andy (1683) on Monday August 27 2018, @11:31AM (#726859) Homepage Journal

                Addiction doesn't mean they shouldn't have a roof over their head. If having enough roofs to do that screws up the environment then that means there are too many people on the planet chasing too little land. The only ethical way to handle that is to gently incentivize lower birth rates. Contraception can help.

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                • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Monday August 27 2018, @01:30PM

                  by acid andy (1683) on Monday August 27 2018, @01:30PM (#726880) Homepage Journal

                  I forgot to mention it also needs a new kind of economy based on businesses sustaining a certain size rather than on infinite growth. Infinite growth requires eternal population growth. I suppose you could punish a business for expanding beyond a certain size through taxation but you'd also need to reward sustainability so there's carrot as well as stick. If you reward a business financially for maintaining a constant size and profitability, that would mean they would have extra capital on top of their profits which they wouldn't be able to reinvest into the business without paying it out as taxes. I guess they'd have to pay it out as increased dividends or raise wages. I'm not sure whether that would cause inflation.

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        • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:37PM (3 children)

          $45K/yr for a one bedroom apartment in SF by TFA's numbers. That's less than $33K/yr.

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          My rights don't end where your fear begins.
          • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @09:01PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @09:01PM (#726681)

            Buzzy's back and making less sense than ever!

            https://www.basic-math-explained.com/basic-math-skills.html [basic-math-explained.com]
            Maybe we can start with a number line.

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by AndyTheAbsurd on Sunday August 26 2018, @09:24PM (1 child)

            by AndyTheAbsurd (3958) on Sunday August 26 2018, @09:24PM (#726696) Journal

            Who said we were going to house them in San Francisco for that amount? Ship 'em up to Sacramento, make sure that the state legislature sees them.

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            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Freeman on Monday August 27 2018, @03:48PM

              by Freeman (732) on Monday August 27 2018, @03:48PM (#726956) Journal

              You could just replace the state legislature with them. Might not do a worse job.

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              Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
        • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @09:19PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @09:19PM (#726693)

          These people are not just "you on hard times".

          This is a serious problem that requires serious measures.

        • (Score: 2) by SanityCheck on Sunday August 26 2018, @10:18PM (3 children)

          by SanityCheck (5190) on Sunday August 26 2018, @10:18PM (#726713)

          If we going for savings, bullet costs under a buck. That's probably the extent of money I'm willing to spend on a moocher.

          • (Score: 2) by Snow on Sunday August 26 2018, @10:32PM (2 children)

            by Snow (1601) on Sunday August 26 2018, @10:32PM (#726717) Journal

            Yes, having the government execute citizens with no due process is a fantastic idea.

            • (Score: 1, Troll) by SanityCheck on Monday August 27 2018, @12:12AM (1 child)

              by SanityCheck (5190) on Monday August 27 2018, @12:12AM (#726739)

              Giving free shit to everyone is also a fantastic idea*

              *see Venezuela

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @09:43PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @09:43PM (#727141)

                While your point is stupid I will 100% prefer handouts to government sanctioned "murder for being poor".

                Get a clue you psycho!

        • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @02:07AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @02:07AM (#726768)

          Most homeless people suffer from fetal alcohol syndrome.

          Fetal alcohol syndrome is incurable. I know one person with it (currently homeless). Drug addict, graduate of numerous government 'programs'. They've utterly destroyed every place they've ever lived, despite having been given a free nice house in nice area, all expenses paid. It is literally impossible for them to hold a job. Someone with FAS costs society approximately $2 million in his or her lifetime.

          https://www.fasworld.com/fasd-facts/ [fasworld.com]

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:40PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:40PM (#726668)

        when a person is homeless, there is no other option except doing things 'in public'

        • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:45PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:45PM (#726670)

          If you can't pay for your own place on your own terms, then you need to submit to the taxpayers' place on the taxpayers' terms; if you're found sleeping on the streets, then you need to be persuaded (forcibly if necessary) to go to a community for homeless people where you can be either treated for your mental troubles or hand-held until you're clean and skilled enough to re-integrate.

          Call these places "re-education" camps if you like. Stay there forever if you need to, but you'll have to live according to the taxpayers' rules—curfews, control over "lights out", sleep times, wake times, meal times, bathing times, etc.

          • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:54PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:54PM (#726675)

            and if there's no space at a homeless shelter, where do you go? (always no space at the few places that try to help)

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @09:01PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @09:01PM (#726680)

              The government needs to enforce property rights, and if that means spending gobs of resources to build massive complexes to handle these people, then so be it—this would be one of the few actually reasonable purposes of a government.

              Help those who will help themselves, but primarily just move non-functioning people out of the way of the rest of society.

        • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Ethanol-fueled on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:53PM

          by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:53PM (#726674) Homepage

          San Francisco should put up a commieblock or allocate an existing building to house the homeless for free. If, however, those homeless fail one of their random drug-tests (Marihuana excluded) or breathalyzer tests, then they will be executed as burdens upon society.

          But worse than the homeless are all the totally righteous liberals who live there. Silicon Valley should collectively be forced to register as political agents and taxed up the ass until they shut their fat fucking elitest mouths about what everybody else should believe. And we need to levy huge property taxes on urban elites, the taxes of which will depend on the homeless headcount of the vicinity.

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:49PM (7 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:49PM (#726672)

        There's also laws requiring authorities to provide minimal services like public rest rooms, homeless shelters and rehab centers for addicts. i.e. The laws forbidding public urination (and deification I guess) were successfully challenged dozens of times during the 80s and 90s when police officers were staking out (gay) pubs and arresting men taking a leak at the walls facing the pubs since there were long lines at the pub and no public facilities around.

        San Francisco is simply paying the price for decades of neocon homophobia, corruption and neglect. The American people want a class system like India. So now they get to live in India-like cities. Seems reasonable to me.

        • (Score: 0, Touché) by Ethanol-fueled on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:56PM

          by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:56PM (#726676) Homepage

          Speaking of India, one peculiar question is raised: Why are all the poop patrol folks White? Could one not hire H1-B people from India, who are no strangers to poo, and hire more of them and at a fraction of the cost?

          " Immigrants do the jobs you won't! "

        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by aristarchus on Sunday August 26 2018, @09:26PM (1 child)

          by aristarchus (2645) on Sunday August 26 2018, @09:26PM (#726699) Journal

          The laws forbidding public urination (and deification I guess)

          Public deification? I do not think that word means what you think it means! Holy auto-correct, Batman!

          "I am a God! You are like the buzzing of flies to me!"


          "Um, no, those are actual flies, attracted by your huge public defecation."
          • (Score: 3, Touché) by FatPhil on Monday August 27 2018, @02:55PM

            by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Monday August 27 2018, @02:55PM (#726921) Homepage
            Yeah, the Cali problem wasn't because of public deification, it was with the leties' apisstasy.
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        • (Score: 5, Interesting) by schad on Monday August 27 2018, @12:50AM (1 child)

          by schad (2398) on Monday August 27 2018, @12:50AM (#726751)

          San Francisco is simply paying the price for decades of neocon homophobia

          I feel like you haven't really thought this part of your argument through.

          California is renowned through the US for its leftist politics.

          And San Francisco, specifically, is about as far left of California as California is of, say, Texas. It also has long had a reputation for being not merely accepting, but welcoming to homosexuals.

          You've picked quite possibly the only place in the country where this argument is patently absurd.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @03:08PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @03:08PM (#726931)

            Never lived there, have you. And that wasn't a question. Those of us who have know different.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @10:47AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @10:47AM (#726847)

          SF is a bastion of neocon homophobia? really?

          I'd always had the impression that SF was the core of the hippie movement and has been a haven for gay people and all varieties of sexual kink ever since the 70's

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @09:50PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @09:50PM (#727150)

            Not the politicians and "elites".

      • (Score: 5, Interesting) by shortscreen on Sunday August 26 2018, @11:36PM (2 children)

        by shortscreen (2252) on Sunday August 26 2018, @11:36PM (#726730) Journal

        Trespassing (and therefore homelessness) is a crime.

        Does that make foreclosure aiding and abetting a crime?

        • (Score: 2) by suburbanitemediocrity on Monday August 27 2018, @01:56AM

          by suburbanitemediocrity (6844) on Monday August 27 2018, @01:56AM (#726762)

          If I decide to move into your house w/o your permission and you try to have me removed, does that make you aiding and abetting a crime?

        • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday August 27 2018, @02:59PM

          by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Monday August 27 2018, @02:59PM (#726926) Homepage
          Obviously not. However, not being diligent in ascertaining the risks of foreclosure is. The banks sold to the derivatives markets who openly traded them in repackaged form whilst calling them "junk" - not even the euphemism "sub-prime", actual "junk" - which means they knew what they were doing.
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    • (Score: 2) by krishnoid on Monday August 27 2018, @02:38AM

      by krishnoid (1156) on Monday August 27 2018, @02:38AM (#726781)

      Why even do that? *Pay* people a small amount of money to poop in designated toilets, flush, and leave the bathroom clean. You could have the city cleaned up overnight.

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:08PM (2 children)

    It doesn't surprise me in the least that their asses would rather spend nearly two million a year in taxpayer funds covering up a problem than they would try solving it. They raise holy hell about whatever their cause du jour is but the minute that cause impacts their perfect little bubble they'll do absolutely anything to pretend it doesn't even exist. Witness the complete lack of SF socialists lining up to split their income with someone across the bridge in Oakland, for instance.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @10:02PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @10:02PM (#727153)

      You are a blight upon the world. The Mighty Blight, kinda fits the Buzzard as well, all they do is steal the meat from more useful creatures.

      • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Tuesday August 28 2018, @03:27PM

        by Freeman (732) on Tuesday August 28 2018, @03:27PM (#727369) Journal

        No, they clean up the meat from those that couldn't be bothered to finish the job.

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  • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:18PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:18PM (#726663)

    The claim that there is "a repeated refusal by residents to cough up enough money to deal with the jump in homeless folk" is nonsense. They pay 300 million dollars. There is now talk of possibly doubling this!

    You always get more of what you subsidize. Want to not have homeless people? Divert that money to law enforcement and give the order to clean up the streets.

    Want more homeless people? Pay more to support them. San Francisco is essentially purchasing a homeless population.

    • (Score: 0, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:42PM (2 children)

      Yeah, lot of folks don't get that when you pay people for exhibiting a given trait, you're going to get more of that trait. They really need to look up the word "incentivize".

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      My rights don't end where your fear begins.
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @10:05PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @10:05PM (#727154)

        You know what the problem is with public education? People think that because it has the word "education" that people are getting educated. But due to pressure to perform they let through morons who then get to claim they got "an education". I guess it is time we implemented the anti-moron terminators. There is a 80% chance they'll go rogue, but that is a small risk compared to letting people like you run around.

        You're like a fat and horrible John Connor where people root for the machines.

  • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:32PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:32PM (#726665)

    What's interesting is that one of the Left's favorite insults is that the Right is "reactionary".

    Yet, we see again and again that the Right is about prevention of non-existent problems, the Left is about treatment of increasingly festering troubles—paying people to scoop up poop is what's reactionary. Cities where leftists have taken undeniable command seem to end up overrun by the homeless, buried in diseased hypodermic needles and human waste, drowning in ironically high costs of living, followed by the rise of gangs and street violence.

    You know what? How about we respect property rights again. Sleeping, pooping, and drugging on someone else's property is a criminal offense—and it should be that way for property owned by the public as well. Homelessness is degrading to the homeless, and it's a crime against every one else. You can't have a society without enforcing property rights.

    They promised to build a clean society; well, paying beaucoup bucks to scrape up poop ain't what we had in mind.

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:48PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:48PM (#726671)

    What's interesting is that one of the Left's favorite insults is that the Right is "reactionary".

    Yet, we see again and again that the Right is about prevention of non-existent problems, while the Left is about treatment of increasingly festering troubles—paying people to scoop up poop is what's reactionary.

    Cities where leftists have taken undeniable command seem to end up overrun by the homeless, buried in diseased hypodermic needles and human waste, drowning in ironically high costs of living, followed by the rise of gangs and street violence.

    You know what? How about we respect property rights again?

    Sleeping, pooping, and drugging on someone else's property is a criminal offense—and it should be that way for property owned by the public as well. Homelessness is degrading to the homeless, and it's a crime against every one else. You can't have a society without enforcing property rights.

    They promised to build a clean society; well, paying beaucoup bucks to scrape up poop ain't what we had in mind.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:51PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:51PM (#726673)
  • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:58PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @08:58PM (#726678)

    What's interesting is that one of the Left's favorite insults is that the Right is "reactionary".

    Yet, we see again and again that the Right is about prevention of non-existent problems, while the Left is about treatment of increasingly festering troubles—paying people to scoop up poop is what's reactionary.

    Cities where leftists have taken undeniable command seem to end up overrun by the homeless, buried in diseased hypodermic needles and human waste, drowning in ironically high costs of living, followed by the rise of gangs and street violence.

    You know what? How about we respect property rights again?

    Sleeping, pooping, and drugging on someone else's property is a criminal offense—and it should be that way for property owned by the public as well. Homelessness is degrading to the homeless, and it's a crime against every one else. You can't have a society without enforcing property rights.

    They promised to build a clean society; well, paying beaucoup bucks to scrape up poop ain't what we had in mind.

  • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @09:11PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @09:11PM (#726686)

    What's interesting is that one of the Left's favorite insults is that the Right is "reactionary".

    Yet, we see again and again that the Right is about prevention of non-existent problems, while the Left is about treatment of increasingly festering troubles—paying people to scoop up poop is what's reactionary.

    Cities where leftists have taken undeniable command seem to end up overrun by the homeless, buried in diseased hypodermic needles and human waste, drowning in ironically high costs of living, followed by the rise of gangs and street violence.

    You know what? How about we respect property rights again?

    Sleeping, pooping, and drugging on someone else's property is a criminal offense—and it should be that way for property owned by the public as well. Homelessness is degrading to the homeless, and it's a crime against every one else. You can't have a society without enforcing property rights.

    They promised to build a clean society; well, paying beaucoup bucks to scrape up poop ain't what we had in mind.

  • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @09:17PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @09:17PM (#726689)

    What's interesting is that one of the Left's favorite insults is that the Right is "reactionary".

    Yet, we see again and again that the Right is about prevention of non-existent problems, while the Left is about treatment of increasingly festering troubles—paying people to scoop up poop is what's reactionary.

    Cities where leftists have taken undeniable command seem to end up overrun by the homeless, buried in diseased hypodermic needles and human waste, drowning in ironically high costs of living, followed by the rise of gangs and street violence.

    You know what? How about we respect property rights again?

    Sleeping, pooping, and drugging on someone else's property is a criminal offense—and it should be that way for property owned by the public as well. Homelessness is degrading to the homeless, and it's a crime against every one else. You can't have a society without enforcing property rights.

    They promised to build a clean society; well, paying beaucoup bucks to scrape up poop ain't what we had in mind.

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @09:19PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @09:19PM (#726692)

    I have never seen another American city as filthy with such aggressive, drug addled bums as San Francisco.
    Cities on the East Coast don't have this level of problem because they treat them more harshly. San Francisco coddles them. Guess where the bums all go then?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @01:59AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @01:59AM (#726764)

      So the solution is to treat the homeless like crap so they go elsewhere? The weather probably plays a part in it: if you are homeless, you want to go where the weather is best all year around, and the East is not it.

    • (Score: 2) by TheRaven on Monday August 27 2018, @09:58AM (1 child)

      by TheRaven (270) on Monday August 27 2018, @09:58AM (#726833) Journal
      New York doesn't have as bad a problem, because anyone homeless in a New York winter will probably either freeze to death, or sleep on top of one of the metro line vents to keep warm and asphyxiate in their sleep. Last time I was in San Francisco in the winter, it was the second week of January and the temperatures was 10-16 degrees (centigrade, no idea what that is in silly units). You can sleep outside with a fairly thin blanket in that weather. apparently the average temperature for SF in January is 10º, the average for NY is 2º. Keep in mind that the overnight temperature will be lower than the average. In one city, you might get a bit chilly overnight, in the other you'll have frost forming on you. Which do you think is going to end up with more people sleeping on the streets by the end of winter?
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      sudo mod me up
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @02:46PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @02:46PM (#726915)

        Your explanation for temperature does nothing to explain why the bums in SF are so much more aggressive than the East Coast bums.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @09:24PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @09:24PM (#726695)

    But I'm just retarded like that

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @03:02AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @03:02AM (#726792)

    You can smell it in Harvard Square.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @03:05AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @03:05AM (#726794)

    Yakima, WA is hiring 'curtain twitchers' to keep those who don't subscribe to socialistic groupthink, under surveillance. Inquire at https://www.yakimawa.gov/. [yakimawa.gov]

  • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @03:49AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @03:49AM (#726798)

    What's interesting is that one of the Left's favorite insults is that the Right is "reactionary".

    Yet, we see again and again that the Right is about prevention of non-existent problems, while the Left is about treatment of increasingly festering troubles—paying people to scoop up poop is what's reactionary.

    Cities where leftists have taken undeniable command seem to end up overrun by the homeless, buried in diseased hypodermic needles and human waste, drowning in ironically high costs of living, followed by the rise of gangs and street violence.

    You know what? How about we respect property rights again?

    Sleeping, pooping, and drugging on someone else's property is a criminal offense—and it should be that way for property owned by the public as well. Homelessness is degrading to the homeless, and it's a crime against every one else. You can't have a society without enforcing property rights.

    They promised to build a clean society; well, paying beaucoup bucks to scrape up poop ain't what we had in mind.

  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Monday August 27 2018, @10:08AM (1 child)

    by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Monday August 27 2018, @10:08AM (#726836) Homepage Journal

    Portland's Fred Meyer grocery store is conveniently located near the Pearl District which is a hotbed of Mobile and Web Application development. There are also some $$$ hirise apartment buildings there.

    That Fred Meyer stocks more different kinds of craft beer than G-d Almighty's Own Walk-In Beer Room. It has salami from wild boar meat - that means some poor bastard has to go boar hunting. How humans ever domesticated pigs from the tusk-bearing and ferocious boar is completely beyond my comprehension.

    That particular section of Fred Meyer also has a Sushi bar and a Starbucks. Its freezer section holds $$$ chocolate goat's milk ice cream. There are stinky cheeses.

    I shop at the polar opposite end of the store, where I stock up on raisins from the bulk foods because raisins are quite cheap and very high in iron. I need lots of iron because I've been donating blood [warplife.com] ever since I read that Harvey destroyed all of Houston's blood banks, blood mobiles and blood donation labs.

    (I also need lots of Vitamin B12 and now stand corrected that it comes from soil bacteria.)

    I buy cans of pinto beans for sixty-nine cents. Right next to them on that same shelf are four-packs of pintos for $3.49. I use my iPhone's calculator so as to ensure I get the very lowest prices.

    I buy store brand milk rather than supporting local farmers.

    A schoolmate from Caltech is going to buy me a twenty pound sack each of rice and beans.

    But I Have A Vision: Crowdfunding Soggy Jobs [soggy.jobs]. Commencing Wednesday, January 16, 2019 I intend to raise five hundred thousand dollars so I can hire a Senior Front End Developer, a Back End Developer and an Entry-Level QA Engineer.

    That same page also announced that I'm now accepting snail-mail applications. You could really help a brother out were you to mail the above link in my sig to anyone you genuinely feel would be interested in or would benefit from it.

    --
    Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
    • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 28 2018, @10:45AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 28 2018, @10:45AM (#727289)

      I buy cans of pinto beans for sixty-nine cents. Right next to them on that same shelf are four-packs of pintos for $3.49. I use my iPhone's calculator so as to ensure I get the very lowest prices.

      I push my Maserati to work to save on gasoline.

  • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Monday August 27 2018, @10:12AM

    by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Monday August 27 2018, @10:12AM (#726838) Homepage Journal

    The Portland Loo [google.com].

    My only real gripe is that there need to be more than one of them in the Pearl District, and there are none in dowtown at all.

    --
    Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @10:35AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @10:35AM (#726844)

    Well payed? how so:

    the article says that:
    - the base pay is $71,760
    - the average rent SF is $3,750

    traditional wisdom says that your rent/mortgage being higher than 1/3th of your pay is a recipe for financial stress and financial disaster

    Which means that given SF prices you'd need 3 * $3750 = $11250 a month or 135k a year to live without financial stress

    Which means that in SF 72k a year is not a high paying job, it's working poor.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @02:37PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @02:37PM (#726909)

    if you look at a person from the perspective of him/her being a fermentation tank then poop really isn't so bad (minus the smell).
    methinks in old ages, (human) poop was valuable as fertilizer.
    ofc, in modern times, where there are no own-owned pieces of land not covered with concret or asphalt, the use of (human) fertilizer has become ...uhm ... er... useless.
    also considering, that modern human waste isn't good fertilizer, with all the wrong-gen inside it, with hormons, with anti-BIO-tics and imported worms and other intestinal bugs...
    poop is as good as what it was made from.
    i get poop sometimes, that reminds me of those little heaps the earth worms make after a rainshower, just a bit more stinky.
    i guess if i could cut out the pork from my diet then the smell would be quiet a bit less too ...

  • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @03:39PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @03:39PM (#726953)

    What's interesting is that one of the Left's favorite insults is that the Right is "reactionary".

    Yet, we see again and again that the Right is about prevention of non-existent problems, while the Left is about treatment of increasingly festering troubles—paying people to scoop up poop is what's reactionary.

    Cities where leftists have taken undeniable command seem to end up overrun by the homeless, buried in diseased hypodermic needles and human waste, drowning in ironically high costs of living, followed by the rise of gangs and street violence.

    You know what? How about we respect property rights again?

    Sleeping, pooping, and drugging on someone else's property is a criminal offense—and it should be that way for property owned by the public as well. Homelessness is degrading to the homeless, and it's a crime against every one else. You can't have a society without enforcing property rights.

    They promised to build a clean society; well, paying beaucoup bucks to scrape up poop ain't what we had in mind.

  • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 28 2018, @12:38AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 28 2018, @12:38AM (#727188)

    What's interesting is that one of the Left's favorite insults is that the Right is "reactionary".

    Yet, we see again and again that the Right is about prevention of non-existent problems, while the Left is about treatment of increasingly festering troubles—paying people to scoop up poop is what's reactionary.

    Cities where leftists have taken undeniable command seem to end up overrun by the homeless, buried in diseased hypodermic needles and human waste, drowning in ironically high costs of living, followed by the rise of gangs and street violence.

    You know what? How about we respect property rights again?

    Sleeping, pooping, and drugging on someone else's property is a criminal offense—and it should be that way for property owned by the public as well. Homelessness is degrading to the homeless, and it's a crime against every one else. You can't have a society without enforcing property rights.

    They promised to build a clean society; well, paying beaucoup bucks to scrape up poop ain't what we had in mind.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 28 2018, @02:01AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 28 2018, @02:01AM (#727206)

      Just give it up already. No-one but you finds it fucking interesting. It's not even about Left versus Right anymore. They're distractions. So you represent the Right, do you? Does that mean the Right just keep repeating the exact same bullshit over and over and over again even though no-one cares about it rather than actually find something useful to say that people want to have a discussion about? Sounds about fucking right. Now fuck off.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 28 2018, @10:42AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 28 2018, @10:42AM (#727286)

    Get him to clean it up. WIth his bare hands.

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