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posted by takyon on Monday September 24 2018, @03:40PM   Printer-friendly
from the eat-this dept.

This Ivy League food scientist was a media darling. He just submitted his resignation, the school says.

A Cornell professor whose buzzy and accessible food studies made him a media darling has submitted his resignation, the school said Thursday, a dramatic fall for a scholar whose work increasingly came under question in recent years. The university said in a statement that a year-long review found that Brian Wansink "committed academic misconduct in his research and scholarship, including misreporting of research data, problematic statistical techniques, failure to properly document and preserve research results, and inappropriate authorship."

Wansink, a marketing professor at Cornell's business college who was the director of the university's Food and Brand Lab, will retire at the end of the academic year, the school said. The move follows the recent retraction of six of Wansink's papers by the American Medical Association's JAMA Network, including those about how serving bowl size affected food consumption, how fasting changed people's food preferences and how action-packed television programs increased food intake.

Wansink emailed The Washington Post on Thursday a news release of his retirement, which included statements attributed to a university trustee saying that "Cornell and Professor Wansink mutually have decided that Professor Wansink's research approach and goals differ from the academic expectations of Cornell University, and they have decided to part ways accordingly." Wansink said he is leaving his position June 30, 2019.

For years, Wansink enjoyed a level of prominence that many academics would strive for, his work spawning countless news stories. He published a study showing that people who ate from "bottomless" bowls of soup continue to eat as their bowls are refilled, as a parable about the potential health effects of large portion sizes. Another, with the title "Bad popcorn in big buckets," similarly warned about the perils of presenting food in big quantities, according to Vox.

Also at Science Magazine, Ars Technica, CNN, and Retraction Watch.


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  • (Score: 3, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Monday September 24 2018, @03:44PM (8 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 24 2018, @03:44PM (#739204) Journal

    Does anything more need to be said? If the media loves it, there is SOMETHING wrong with it.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 24 2018, @04:03PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 24 2018, @04:03PM (#739218)

      This has been a long time coming. The guy basically treated fraud as the scientific method and wrote blog posts advising his students to do it. Then there are all sorts of numbers than don't add up, inconsistent descriptions of the methods, etc in his publications.

      Theres been a lot about it on this blog: https://andrewgelman.com/2018/09/23/tweeking-big-problem-not-think/ [andrewgelman.com]

      BTW, the comments/comment feed seem desynced for that blog.

    • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 24 2018, @04:15PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 24 2018, @04:15PM (#739229)

      Please. The media flip-flops on issues every other Tuesday. Generalizing conclusions or opinions based on their preference is pure folly.

    • (Score: 4, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday September 24 2018, @04:56PM

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Monday September 24 2018, @04:56PM (#739256) Homepage Journal

      #FakeStews!

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    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by suburbanitemediocrity on Monday September 24 2018, @06:17PM (2 children)

      by suburbanitemediocrity (6844) on Monday September 24 2018, @06:17PM (#739307)

      "a marketing professor "

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 24 2018, @08:12PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 24 2018, @08:12PM (#739380)

        "A marketing professor". That could even be worse than psychology. How did he get papers into AMA journals at all?

        • (Score: 2) by Immerman on Monday September 24 2018, @08:50PM

          by Immerman (3985) on Monday September 24 2018, @08:50PM (#739393)

          What part of "marketing" do you not understand? His chosen field of expertise is how to manipulate people into buying things for more than they're worth.

    • (Score: 1) by easyTree on Monday September 24 2018, @08:09PM (1 child)

      by easyTree (6882) on Monday September 24 2018, @08:09PM (#739378)

      Yes:

      Wansink, a marketing professor...

      What the hell? What next, professor of drinking a glass of water?

      • (Score: 3, Funny) by Gaaark on Tuesday September 25 2018, @12:20AM

        by Gaaark (41) on Tuesday September 25 2018, @12:20AM (#739461) Journal

        He would point you towards drinking a glass of Evian!

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  • (Score: 2) by nitehawk214 on Monday September 24 2018, @04:22PM (6 children)

    by nitehawk214 (1304) on Monday September 24 2018, @04:22PM (#739230)

    I predict he will become the Dr Phil of nutrition.

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    • (Score: 3, Touché) by curunir_wolf on Monday September 24 2018, @04:34PM (5 children)

      by curunir_wolf (4772) on Monday September 24 2018, @04:34PM (#739237)

      I predict he will become the Dr Phil of nutrition.

      That's already owned by Dr. Oz.

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      • (Score: 3, Funny) by nitehawk214 on Monday September 24 2018, @05:10PM (4 children)

        by nitehawk214 (1304) on Monday September 24 2018, @05:10PM (#739266)

        That's true. Maybe he can make up some quantum bullshit and become the Deepak Chopra of nutrition?

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        "Don't you ever miss the days when you used to be nostalgic?" -Loiosh
        • (Score: 3, Funny) by Farmer Tim on Monday September 24 2018, @08:03PM (3 children)

          by Farmer Tim (6490) on Monday September 24 2018, @08:03PM (#739375)
          Quarks: the ultimate in deconstructed food.
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          • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Monday September 24 2018, @08:22PM (2 children)

            by MostCynical (2589) on Monday September 24 2018, @08:22PM (#739387) Journal

            Cooking with your own LHC

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            • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday September 25 2018, @01:24AM

              by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 25 2018, @01:24AM (#739480) Journal

              No neutron star was harmed in the process.

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            • (Score: 1) by nitehawk214 on Tuesday September 25 2018, @05:44PM

              by nitehawk214 (1304) on Tuesday September 25 2018, @05:44PM (#739779)

              Instead of THC.

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              "Don't you ever miss the days when you used to be nostalgic?" -Loiosh
  • (Score: -1, Redundant) by oldmac31310 on Monday September 24 2018, @04:35PM (2 children)

    by oldmac31310 (4521) on Monday September 24 2018, @04:35PM (#739241)

    Read about this last week elsewhere.

  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by bzipitidoo on Monday September 24 2018, @05:04PM (6 children)

    by bzipitidoo (4388) on Monday September 24 2018, @05:04PM (#739263) Journal

    Frauds in science get caught this way all the time. If you make a big claim, you'd better not have knowingly cheated, and you need to be careful you didn't make too many mistakes. No mistakes at all would be nice, but that's very hard to do and a few honest and minor mistakes are livable, and won't kill a career in science. But being slipshod will. Not checking and double checking things can be as bad as outright falsification of data. Double checking can be tedious, hard work, but it should not be blown off, lest you embarrass yourself.

    When a clown or a fraud with some claim to respectability such as a PhD makes an extraordinary claim, it's going to get publicity, and it's going to be checked. A little bitty finding might fly under the radar, but a big one, no way. And if it's wrong, it will be found out. All kinds of further advances and uses would end up depending upon those findings, and if they are wrong, people are going to notice they're having problems going further, and things aren't working the way the fraudulent results say they should. They may then try to replicate the original findings, and learn that it is impossible. You just can't get away with a Big Lie, not in science. See Cold Fusion, and the practically magical claims of Hwang Woo-suk around stem cells.

    • (Score: 1) by nitehawk214 on Monday September 24 2018, @05:14PM (2 children)

      by nitehawk214 (1304) on Monday September 24 2018, @05:14PM (#739267)

      But, you can get away with a Big Lie if you get media, celebrities and other morons to defend you by telling them exactly what they want to hear, like Andrew Wakefield.

      Maybe we are more cautious now, and will no longer let a dickhole like that get a foothold. I somehow doubt it.

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      "Don't you ever miss the days when you used to be nostalgic?" -Loiosh
      • (Score: 3, Touché) by suburbanitemediocrity on Monday September 24 2018, @06:29PM

        by suburbanitemediocrity (6844) on Monday September 24 2018, @06:29PM (#739316)

        I've read the exact same things by many people on the internets about how corporations control us. Eg., plate sizes.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 24 2018, @07:45PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 24 2018, @07:45PM (#739364)

        Or if you just keep lying so fast that the media can't follow one lie up before 5 more have been made.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 24 2018, @05:27PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 24 2018, @05:27PM (#739277)

      Frauds in science get caught this way all the time.

      No, the institutionalized peer review did nothing, it was 100% worthless and this guy was allowed to run rampant.

      It was all that people outside his field started looking closer at his work. It was because this blog post went viral making him look like a manifestion of all that is wrong modern academia. He was proud of getting 5 papers out of noise by cherry-picking, p-hacking, etc. He then praises the immigrant PhD student who did this for him while criticizing another one who refused to:

      A PhD student from a Turkish university called to interview to be a visiting scholar for 6 months. Her dissertation was on a topic that was only indirectly related to our Lab's mission, but she really wanted to come and we had the room, so I said "Yes."

      When she arrived, I gave her a data set of a self-funded, failed study which had null results (it was a one month study in an all-you-can-eat Italian restaurant buffet where we had charged some people ½ as much as others). I said, "This cost us a lot of time and our own money to collect. There's got to be something here we can salvage because it's a cool (rich & unique) data set." I had three ideas for potential Plan B, C, & D directions (since Plan A had failed). I told her what the analyses should be and what the tables should look like. I then asked her if she wanted to do them.

      Every day she came back with puzzling new results, and every day we would scratch our heads, ask "Why," and come up with another way to reanalyze the data with yet another set of plausible hypotheses. Eventually we started discovering solutions that held up regardless of how we pressure-tested them. I outlined the first paper, and she wrote it up, and every day for a month I told her how to rewrite it and she did. This happened with a second paper, and then a third paper (which was one that was based on her own discovery while digging through the data).

      [...]

      Six months after arriving, the Turkish woman had one paper accepted, two papers with revision requests, and two others that were submitted (and were eventually accepted -- see below). In comparison, the post-doc left after a year (and also left academia) with 1/4 as much published (per month) as the Turkish woman. I think the person was also resentful of the Turkish woman.

      https://web.archive.org/web/20170312041524/http:/www.brianwansink.com/phd-advice/the-grad-student-who-never-said-no [archive.org]

      Then, of course, all his papers were found to be riddled with errors of every kind (numbers not adding up, etc).

      • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 24 2018, @05:36PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 24 2018, @05:36PM (#739284)

        And to be sure, the reason he wrote this blog post is because such behaviour is standard in many areas of research. Tens of billions of dollars is being pissed away every year on stuff like this, and in fact the people who do it are rewarded with publications while those who refuse to are ostracized and punished. Exactly like he describes. He only got caught due to how apt his inadvertent description was of the "publication mill" academia has become.

      • (Score: 2) by captain normal on Tuesday September 25 2018, @03:29AM

        by captain normal (2205) on Tuesday September 25 2018, @03:29AM (#739517)

        Ah, yes...What was the old saw about "Lies, damn lies and statistics"?

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        Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts"- --Daniel Patrick Moynihan--
  • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday September 24 2018, @05:34PM (1 child)

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 24 2018, @05:34PM (#739283) Journal

    Can't he transfer to a different department instead of resigning?

    Don't most ivy league institutions have useful departments such as:
    * business school
    * communications
    * marketing
    * philosophy
    * gender studies
    * masturbation studies
    * special snowflake reinforcement studies
    * basket weaving studies
    etc

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 24 2018, @05:47PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 24 2018, @05:47PM (#739287)

      Ivy League: institutions where getting an MS in Applied Underwater Basket Weaving Theory leads to a life of wealth.

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by pTamok on Monday September 24 2018, @05:53PM (8 children)

    by pTamok (3042) on Monday September 24 2018, @05:53PM (#739293)
    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by takyon on Monday September 24 2018, @06:20PM (7 children)

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Monday September 24 2018, @06:20PM (#739312) Journal

      Publish everything somewhere (arXiv, university sites, etc.) and let other scientists "peer review" it (publicly or anonymously, but with all such comments printed somewhere).

      If a journal is taking money to publish papers, and reviewers aren't sufficiently motivated, you have a recipe for false peer review.

      Scientists who disagree with a paper's conclusions will attack it in order to disprove it. Scientists who agree can try to replicate the results.

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      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by quietus on Tuesday September 25 2018, @07:04AM (5 children)

        by quietus (6328) on Tuesday September 25 2018, @07:04AM (#739580) Journal

        Thoroughly checking a paper takes time, and effort.

        You're gonna end up with the open-source conundrum [securityledger.com]: lots and lots of people assuming someone else already has done the proper vetting, especially when there's a reputation involved.

        • (Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday September 26 2018, @12:30AM (4 children)

          by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Wednesday September 26 2018, @12:30AM (#739956) Journal

          If most papers are ineffectively reviewed bullshit about obscure topics, then they don't matter much anyway. A certain percentage of content could be ignored. Maybe over 90%?

          Controversial topics, like Planet Nine, EmDrive, dark matter, etc. will have no shortage of scientists looking to disprove what others have put forward.

          Government agencies like the FDA and NIH will mandate the replication of medical studies. Replication of the results can act as a review (previous studies can be critiqued within the text of a new study). Governments can mandate peer review [wikipedia.org] for science that is used for policymaking. Apparently, the State of California already does this.

          If academic scholars are already peer reviewing papers as part of their job, they can continue to do so even under a new system. They weren't paid directly by the journals anyway.

          The scientific method predates the scientific journal. Just share your ideas, and they will either stand the test of time and scrutiny or not. The peer review can still happen, just not as part of the opaque and corrupt science journal process. Comments can be published anonymously. That might not defeat style analysis, but it's on the reviewer to manage that risk if they want to participate in a transparent peer review process.

          Even if you do nothing to change how journals and peer review work, the lack of replication of studies is already a recognized problem:

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis [wikipedia.org]
          https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-39054778 [bbc.com]
          https://blog.frontiersin.org/2017/05/01/are-replication-studies-unwelcome/ [frontiersin.org]

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 26 2018, @09:00PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 26 2018, @09:00PM (#740460)

            Government agencies like the FDA and NIH will mandate the replication of medical studies.

            Is this a joke?

          • (Score: 2) by quietus on Thursday September 27 2018, @11:35AM (2 children)

            by quietus (6328) on Thursday September 27 2018, @11:35AM (#740744) Journal

            The peer review can still happen, just not as part of the opaque and corrupt science journal process. Comments can be published anonymously.

            You will still need some kind of authority to distinguish between the quality, or insights* if you like, of different papers; even if something comparable to soylentnews.

            * Acknowledging ofcourse, that new insights tend to be disputed at first, i.e. if you do not define strict quality criteria, you'll likely end up with as many upmods as downmods.

            • (Score: 2) by takyon on Thursday September 27 2018, @01:39PM (1 child)

              by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Thursday September 27 2018, @01:39PM (#740769) Journal

              Wind the clock back to the early days of science. Most sharing of results was in letters to other scientists, or presentations. There wasn't any formalized peer review, authoritative gatekeeper, or electronic voting.

              Today, it would be simple to just produce a Stack Overflow clone for discussion and voting. Or you could design a platform from scratch.

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              • (Score: 2) by quietus on Sunday September 30 2018, @10:06AM

                by quietus (6328) on Sunday September 30 2018, @10:06AM (#742040) Journal

                It might be better to start from a platform akin to PLOS One and/or Scientific Reports. Just looking at PLOS One, I think there might be three areas of improvement.

                1. The Author Pays model is kind of morally backwards: you should be paying individual scientists for spreading knowledge, not vice versa.
                2. PLOS One publicizes an article before review has even happened i.e. if you follow their publications, you'll lose time with reading/skimming material that may be seriously flawed, forming a wrong mental image of the subject.
                3. PLOS One only has one reviewer per article, and turn-over time -- review time -- is somewhere between 37 days to 125 days, which looks far too long to me.

                A further improvement could consist of adding tools, dedicated to making reviews easier -- automated statistical checks, extracting and (dis)aggregating experimental data, and so on.

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 26 2018, @02:51PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 26 2018, @02:51PM (#740223)

        Scientists who agree can try to replicate the results.

        Yes, in the limit of infinite time and resources, but in practice, no. Claim to break the laws of physics? Yes, there is a lot of motivation there. Claim that bigger bowls cause you to eat more? Well, I don't know if I believe that, but I'm not dropping what I'm doing to try and replicate that (unless some funding source wants to give me money to do that).

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Thexalon on Monday September 24 2018, @08:53PM

    by Thexalon (636) on Monday September 24 2018, @08:53PM (#739395)

    Whenever you hear or read that phrase from any mainstream news outlet, what you are about to receive is a marketing spend from somebody, basically BS dressed up in a lab coat. If you actually listened to any of it or took it seriously, then practically everything in your nearest grocery store or sold OTC in your nearest drug store would simultaneously give you cancer and cure cancer.

    My rule: Eat reasonably healthy stuff, get a regular physical and listen to what your doctor tells you to do, and something else will kill you before your food does.

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