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posted by janrinok on Wednesday September 26 2018, @09:56AM   Printer-friendly
from the try-stuffing-that-into-the-oven dept.

This Was the World's Largest Bird. It Weighed as Much as a Dinosaur.

The world's largest bird — a newly identified species of elephant bird — weighed as much as a dinosaur when it strutted around Madagascar more than 1,000 years ago, a new study finds.

This monster bird is now extinct, but it weighed as much as 1,760 lbs. (800 kilograms), or about as much as seven modern ostriches when it was alive. It also stood a whopping as 9.8 feet (3 meters) high — a good 8 inches (20 centimeters) taller than an ostrich. And, also like the ostrich, this elephant bird couldn't fly.

[...] V. titan is so big, that its average weight of 1,430 lbs. (650 kg) is comparable to Europasaurus, a small sauropod (a long-necked dinosaur), which weighed about 1,500 lbs (690 kg), Hansford and study co-researcher Samuel Turvey, a professor at the Zoological Society of London's Institute of Zoology, wrote in the study.

When the herbivorous elephant birds went extinct about 1,000 years ago — largely because of human hunters — the Madagascar ecosystem changed. Plants that depended on the birds to eat and disperse seeds floundered.

Unexpected diversity within the extinct elephant birds (Aves: Aepyornithidae) and a new identity for the world's largest bird (open, DOI: 10.1098/rsos.181295) (DX)


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  • (Score: 2) by RandomFactor on Wednesday September 26 2018, @10:18AM

    by RandomFactor (3682) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday September 26 2018, @10:18AM (#740095) Journal

    "Here kitty kitty kitty...."

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 26 2018, @10:21AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 26 2018, @10:21AM (#740096)

    Fatal.

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by richtopia on Wednesday September 26 2018, @10:33AM (8 children)

    by richtopia (3160) on Wednesday September 26 2018, @10:33AM (#740097) Homepage Journal

    When modern birds are dinosaurs, they inherently weigh as much as dinosaurs!

    A better headline would be: Vorombe titan did not weight as much as an African elephant.

    The best headline would be: Vorombe titan weighed the same as one VW Beetle. Because everything needs to be measured in Beetles, Football Fields, or Libraries of Congress.

    • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Wednesday September 26 2018, @10:49AM

      by MostCynical (2589) on Wednesday September 26 2018, @10:49AM (#740100) Journal

      How long would it take V. Titan to eat the Library of Congress?
      How many football fields would the resulting V. Titan poo cover?

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 26 2018, @11:04AM (5 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 26 2018, @11:04AM (#740103)

      Birds are not dinosaurs. They have descendent from dinosaurs, but they are not dinosaurs.

      And not all dinosaurs had feathers. According to wikipedia (may not be right, but) T-REX and the like had plumulaceous feathers, a kind of proto feather, it did not look like a giant chicken with teeth.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 26 2018, @12:36PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 26 2018, @12:36PM (#740123)

        The trex quacked like a duck: https://nerdist.com/dinosaurs-didnt-roar-they-cooed-or-quacked-like-ducks-says-new-study/ [nerdist.com]

        Also, Id say any animal that cant fly isnt a real bird.

        • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday September 27 2018, @01:18AM (1 child)

          by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Thursday September 27 2018, @01:18AM (#740570)

          Also, Id say any animal that cant fly isnt a real bird.

          What??!! As a New Zealander you're slandering my national symbol.

          Alright, it acts like a shrew or something, and almost doesn't even have wings, but come on! It kind of does have feathers. (Kind of).

          That should count surely?

          I am always interested in these types of birds, because New Zealand has no native land mammals at all, so birds evolved to fill the niches that mammals fill everywhere else.

          Kiwis, as noted above are little insectivores living on the forest floor. The Moas were the equivalent of deer or cattle, and browsed the forests.

          The apex predator was an Eagle with a 3 metre wingspan.

          The rodent equivalent is a primitive grasshopper though. About the same size as a mouse, which is fun.
          Unfortunately, about 600 years ago people arrived and bought dogs and rats. Between the three species, we've managed to wipe most of the birds out, which is a shame.

          Carry on everyone, as I continue to mourn the Moa.

          • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday September 27 2018, @09:04AM

            by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Thursday September 27 2018, @09:04AM (#740710) Homepage
            Yup, my only hope with modern genetic technological advances is that scientists bring back the moa, the dodo, and even the aurochs.
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      • (Score: 2) by richtopia on Wednesday September 26 2018, @02:03PM

        by richtopia (3160) on Wednesday September 26 2018, @02:03PM (#740182) Homepage Journal

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur [wikipedia.org]

        As such, birds were the only dinosaur lineage to survive the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event 66 million years ago.[7] Dinosaurs can therefore be divided into avian dinosaurs, or birds; and non-avian dinosaurs, which are all dinosaurs other than birds. This article deals primarily with non-avian dinosaurs.

      • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday September 27 2018, @08:45AM

        by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Thursday September 27 2018, @08:45AM (#740707) Homepage
        Wrong. Clades, which are the only really important thing for discussing how species relate to each other, contain the union of all their descendent clades. Phylogenetically, birds are in the clade therapoda: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theropoda . Sure, they're avian dinosaurs, and you like to refer to the non-avian dinosaurs as just "dinosaurs", but why are you giving the non-avian ones the priority on the single-word term? They were the crap ones, the ones that didn't survive!

        Yes, humans are fish.
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    • (Score: 4, Funny) by Rich on Wednesday September 26 2018, @07:13PM

      by Rich (945) on Wednesday September 26 2018, @07:13PM (#740395) Journal

      Vorombe titan did not weight as much as an African elephant.

      But it certainly could carry less than an African swallow, in flight. And less than a European swallow, too. Besides, I miss the popular units for single and cubic dimensions, and electrical power consumption. Also, how many libraries of congress would you have to print out on A4 pages to get a stack of paper that reaches to the moon?

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 26 2018, @11:55AM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 26 2018, @11:55AM (#740111)

    800kg ~=7850N

    • (Score: 2) by Pino P on Wednesday September 26 2018, @12:19PM (4 children)

      by Pino P (4721) on Wednesday September 26 2018, @12:19PM (#740114) Journal

      A unit of mass, such as the kilogram, is also a unit of relative weight up to ratios [wikipedia.org]. In any given place, an 800 kg bird weighs the same as eighty 10 kg plates: 800 kg times local g. Under less gravity, they both weigh less, but they still both weigh the same.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 26 2018, @12:38PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 26 2018, @12:38PM (#740125)

        What do you mean by "up to"? This is a strange phrasing.

      • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 26 2018, @08:50PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 26 2018, @08:50PM (#740457)

        Pedophile.

    • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday September 27 2018, @08:57AM

      by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Thursday September 27 2018, @08:57AM (#740709) Homepage
      Bullshit. To "weigh" has always meant to determine the mass of - even NIST have admitted this (you know, the authority that defines how to deal with, ahem, weights and measures). The proxy used for determining the mass may be the gravitational attraction of that mass to the earth, but the figure they ended up with represented the amount of matter, the mass. Of course, spring measures need to be calibrated such that this proxy is accurate. The fact that a small subset of scientists have decided to adopt an ancient word with constant meaning over the centuries and tried to shoehorn it into taking on a new meaning in a specific context should not, and does not, affect the language as used by the masses. If you adopt the policy that "weight" isn't weight, then most "nuts" aren't nuts, most "berries" aren't berries, and plenty of "fruit" aren't even fruit (and plenty of non-fruits are).

      And, Mr. pretent-smartypants who thinks he's thought of everything, you haven't - even when you're measuring the gravitational weight (wow - did you see how easy it was to neologise a term that disambiguates the concept?), you're not measuring its gravitational weight - you're measuring its gravitational weight minus its buoyancy. Pahhhh!
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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 26 2018, @08:52PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 26 2018, @08:52PM (#740459)

    Wait until the discover the fat-ass American version!

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