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Dr. Helen Harwatt, farmed animal law and policy fellow at Harvard Law School, advises that getting protein from plant sources instead of animal sources would drastically help in meeting climate targets and reduce the risk of overshooting temperature goals.
For the first time, Dr. Harwatt proposes a three-step strategy to gradually replace animal proteins with plant-sourced proteins, as part of the commitment to mitigate climate change. These are:
1) Acknowledging that current numbers of livestock are at their peak and will need to decline ('peak livestock').
2) Set targets to transition away from livestock products starting with foods linked with the highest greenhouse gas emissions such as beef, then cow's milk and pig meat ('worst-first' approach).
3) Assessing suitable replacement products against a range of criteria including greenhouse gas emission targets, land usage, and public health benefits ('best available food' approach).
Harwatt further elaborates that recent evidence shows, in comparison with the current food system, switching from animals to plants proteins, could potentially feed an additional 350 million people in the US alone.
You can eat plants or insects, but not meat.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by hemocyanin on Wednesday November 28 2018, @12:35AM
Why does he want to double the population? More cars/mines, more homes/clearcuts, more sewage (or "fuck you marine life/water table"), more of just everything harmful.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @12:38AM (1 child)
I didn't agree to this. Make Canada Great Again.
Are there really too many people? If so, the traditional solution works. We can have war, disease, and famine. That isn't as bad as going vegan.
Siberia is cold and roomy. What is the Chinese word for "Lebensraum"?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @01:03AM
We can make it warm and cozy in Siberia. As per Americans, they seem to be OK in desert places west of Mississippi such as LA and Frisco, so let them have nicer weather in NY and Boston.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday November 28 2018, @12:43AM (14 children)
I grew up in a neighborhood that was almost entirely Cantonese people. There is a saying, within and without China, that "the people of Guangdong will eat anything with 4 legs that is not a table, and anything with 2 wings that is not an airplane." I'vealso heard "they use everything but the oink, and if they could find a way to use the oink they'd eat that too."
This is apparently supposed to be insulting, but to me it's a compliment, and yes, I picked up on their habits. To me it says "we're thrifty, smart, have powerful digestive fire, and are able to think ahead." I know better than to consume nervous tissue, but can find something to do with just about any other part of the animal save for eyeballs and such.
Americans need to make better use of their livestock. Organ meats, especially the heart and stomach, need to make a comeback. Broth from bones (and carcasses of chickens, ducks, etc) needs to be a staple; I've felt amazing since starting the habit of eating some almost daily, and it's done wonders for my skin and nails and hair. In a time of cheaply-available crock pots, there is no excuse not to make some; it's bones, water, and a splash of vinegar if you have it.
Basically, we need to as a nation stop taking food, especially animal food, for granted. I have been poor enough to eat out of trash cans, and practice at minimum daily 16/8 intermittent fasting with occasional 24-hour fasts; this instills a kind of mental discipline, but also a type of self-confidence I think very few people have. And it makes you appreciate food all the more when you do have it.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Interesting) by jelizondo on Wednesday November 28 2018, @01:21AM
You make "tacos de cabeza" [wikipedia.org], like they do down in Mexico, meaning a taco full of a cow's head parts: tongue, eyes, brain, ears, etc.
Seriously. Never tried them but my ex-wife loves them (or used to, IDK).
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @01:34AM (1 child)
Americans need to make better use of their livestock. Organ meats, especially the heart and stomach, need to make a comeback
I take it you have never been to a slaughterhouse? You can trust me on this. They use every bit they can. To do otherwise is waste. Waste does not make you money. You think they are making hot dogs and sausages and hamburger from the best cuts? If you still think I am being silly. Look up 'meat glue'. You will see they strive to use it all. I mean *all*. About the only bit they do not use is the spine and some parts of the digestive tract that has too much fecal matter in it. They would use those too if they could figure out better uses for it.
I've felt amazing since starting the habit of eating some almost daily
I would not attribute that to eating soup cooked in bones. That is more than likely a total change of diet. Usually a sugar free one?.... and practice at minimum daily 16/8 intermittent fasting with occasional 24-hour fasts; TADA I guessed it.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday November 28 2018, @05:30PM
The broth is doing wonders for my nails, skin, and hair. My nails are nice and smooth now, no vertical ridges or white spots. My hair actually feels silky, not greasy. And my skin's somehow gotten softer and firmer. It's not all down to the bone broth, for sure, but I noticed these changes about 2 weeks after I started having some almost every day.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @01:44AM (1 child)
Animals are not wasted in the US.
All the animal parts we don't eat gets, the guts, the feathers, the feet, the heads, gets shipped to the rendering plant and gets cooked up into animal food like dog food, cat food, chicken pellets, or something similar else that is fed back the the animals.
Just don't tell the chickens,pigs, or cows they may be eating mom & dad.
(Score: 2) by suburbanitemediocrity on Wednesday November 28 2018, @04:07AM
I've raised a lot of chickens. Believe me, they have no problems eating mom & dad. Or baby. Chicken, all birds imo, are really disgusting creatures.
Some will say all animals, but especially birds and especially especially chickens. They're just evolved dinosaurs.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Reziac on Wednesday November 28 2018, @02:50AM (2 children)
The animal parts that humans don't eat do NOT go to waste. Instead it goes into pet food, livestock rations, and fertilizer. (That last is also where stockyard manure winds up.) Check out the price of blood meal or bone meal and tell me if you don't think they process every bit they can.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday November 28 2018, @07:12PM (1 child)
The animal parts that humans don't eat do NOT go to waste.
I've always found it amusing that when other cultures utilize all parts of the animal it's romanticized.
When we do the same in the US it's derided. Hotdogs are made out of assholes and this stuff is named pink slime [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Thursday November 29 2018, @03:28AM
Yeah, chicken feet as "ethnic food".
And 'pink slime' isn't made of assholes (tho one might apply that term to its marketers), it's mechanically stripped from the bones after a carcass is conventionally butchered. Considering all the processing involved, seems to me it might be more-profitably made into dog food, especially given today's specialty pet food market.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday November 28 2018, @03:16AM (4 children)
The trouble there is, it's weird. It tastes funny. All the movies say liver is gross. In popular culture the guy that eats pancreas and sweetbreads is definitely the serial killer cannibal.
More than that, Americans don't cook anymore, and the only fast food place I've ever seen offer organs is Harold's Chicken on the South Side of Chicago. Everything is homogenized and scaled to the bland end of the spectrum.
Even if Americans did cook, there aren't a whole lot of culinary practices that call for those ingredients, beyond the stuffing for the Thanksgiving turkey. The French eat pate, Scots eat haggis, and Italians eat tripe, and it's tasty that way. But if a person doesn't have a familial connection to those cuisines, it's unlikely he'd be exposed to its possibilities.
There would have to be a massive marketing push to change it. Oprah would have to try it and smile. Dr. Phil would have to extol the health benefits. The magazines in the checkout aisle would have to feature splashy, attractive covers of the latest offal dish. It would have to go on for years, too, or it will enjoy a brief fling with hipsters and then flame out.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday November 28 2018, @05:27PM (3 children)
All that is entirely correct, though in my experience beef heart is really not that different from steak (and I don't even like red meat much...). Getting the celebs on board would definitely be helpful, yes, since this idiot country worships them.
I keep trying to figure out how to spin this so it gets through the average idiot American's head, and am getting nowhere. Maybe angle it as "this is how Americans ate In The Beginning. You can help Make American Great Again by eating smart and hardy just like the colonials did!" or so. Personally I would be swayed on this by the science, but most won't; maybe mentioning that using the bones for broth is not only thrifty but also helps heal gut issues would do it? Or mentioning that beef hearts have lots of CoQ10 and are good for *your* heart?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday November 28 2018, @08:12PM
Bone broth is excellent. Koreans eat it in the winter with scallions and marrow. But I suspect for average Americans to take to it the emphasis would have to be on the soup as a whole rather than the bones as an ingredient.
Likewise other organs would need to be sold that way. Pate points the way; people know it's a delicacy enjoyed by the wealthy, so they don't recoil from it even though they know it's liver.
I don't know how heart, kidneys, and the rest would be sold though. Is there a recipe to use heart in where it's not a big deal?
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday November 28 2018, @08:16PM (1 child)
What is there to spin? The "average idiot" doesn't like beef heart and thus, won't eat it. As for the bone broth, that requires cooking, which is fine when you have a kitchen, experience, and time. When you don't, then it's just another thing that doesn't happen.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday November 28 2018, @08:20PM
(Score: 1) by Sulla on Wednesday November 28 2018, @04:09AM
When i lived in a real state (Alaska) I would buy beef heart from the store on a regular basis and chicken liver and gizzards when they were cheap enough, beef liver as supply allowed. I would have liked to continue this in Oregon but beef heart is more expensive than other parts of the cow here. Organ meats are expensive and i dont really get why, my guess is that demand is so low that supply for the consumption by human market is too low to supply much for it, causing prices to be high. Have been finding some good ads on craigslist for $1/lb heart and liver, a little concerned about quality though.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @12:49AM (1 child)
Sorry -- from TFA: "Dr. Helen Harwatt, farmed animal law and policy fellow at Harvard Law School ..." That's where I quit reading and tried to find something out about her. She appears to be some city slicker from mostly urban/suburban east coast Boston, and formerly the totally urban area east of LA (she also went to Loma Linda University), or the University of Leeds which based on satellite imagery looks to be suburban/urban/ as well. https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Helen_Harwatt [researchgate.net]
If I wanted to learn about the state of the art in gender studies, sure, I'd look to Harvard and not the U. of Kansas or S. Dakota or some such. The reverse is true if I wanted to know about the state of the art in farming.
(Score: 2) by legont on Wednesday November 28 2018, @01:08AM
Yes, IYI (Intellectual, Yet Idiot) at it's best.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @12:57AM (2 children)
Every now and then this crap comes up.
Until these numbskulls learn agronomy and logistics, they have nothing. The simple facts around productive land and rates of return and sources of fertilisation for the land render their arguments meaningless.
Why on earth do people who study this stuff for a living and do this stuff for a living not get listened to? I thought the left wing was against science denialism?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @07:46PM (1 child)
What science is that exactly?
productive land and rates of return: are you saying it takes less land to raise animals? Or you just mean there is plenty of pasture land not suitable for farming that may as well support livestock? Rate of return? Plants win hands down, more nutrition per acre.
sources of fertilization: what? what what what?? You mean planting seeds? Is this a dig at Monsanto and costly seed prices?
Elaborate on the science bit, and aside from that this isn't a political issue so don't make it one.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 29 2018, @01:33AM
What science: start with agronomy. You can go on from there.
Productive land and rates of return: you can (and do) raise animals on land that is not useful for conventional row crops such as wheat and soy. Rate of return? SOME plants win over SOME animals for SOME forms of nutrition. Carbs ain't fats ain't proteins ain't minerals, and so on.
Sources of fertilisation: how about the fact that we're mining out our phosphate sources? Start there, and go on to petrochemical fuels for the rest.
And fuck yes it's political. Food is always political. Just ask about the propensity for people to riot and rebel when food gets hard to come by. Why do you think farmers get subsidies? Just because they wanna? Sure they wanna, but in reality hard-nosed people realise that they had damned well better make sure there's a food surplus, because the alternative looks really ugly.
(Why in the name of holy mexican jumpin' beans isn't this stuff taught in freaking middle school? I just don't know ...)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @12:58AM
https://futurism.com/artificial-sun-china-temperature-record [futurism.com]
(Score: 3, Insightful) by takyon on Wednesday November 28 2018, @01:00AM (8 children)
Perfect lab-grown/cultured meat, and you can potentially eliminate a lot of the issues.
Get people to switch to plants and insects when meat demand is growing globally? Fat chance. Unless you want to be the bearer of the "meat tax".
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @01:27AM (7 children)
I don't want to eat guts, exoskeletons, or other objectionable parts. I don't want flavoring or filler. I want to buy it raw and pure, like ground beef. DO NOT ADD ANYTHING.
Make a machine that properly extracts the meat. I suggest extracting only the leg meat from large-legged insects like grasshoppers, though maybe flight muscles could work too. Tear off the legs, cut away the joints with a very sharp blade or a laser or a waterjet, and then push the meat out with a blunt probe.
I'd be happy to buy that. I could use it just like ground beef.
(Score: 3, Informative) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday November 28 2018, @01:45AM
There's a fair bit of meat on these grasshoppers. [butterflycreek.co.nz]
Not sure what they taste like, but you might only want a couple for lunch.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday November 28 2018, @02:49AM (2 children)
That's exactly what lab-grown meat can offer. In fact, an ultra-lean ground beef replacement is probably one of the first things that will be commercially available if they don't figure out how to add fat cells [wikipedia.org]. Or it could be mixed with normal ground beef to achieve the desired fat ratio.
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(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @07:45AM (1 child)
I'd love a fat-free slab of meat, or even just a bunch of thin sheets that I can fry into something like a steak sandwich. Since it is cloned, I could eat exotic animals. If they allow custom orders, I could even eat myself.
The reality is that the "blood" will be some sort of soy/corn crap, not even having undergone the natural processing of an animal's stomach. The less soy/corn the better.
It also won't be sold plain. It will have mysterious stuff added, uselessly described as "natural and artificial flavor".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @05:50PM
fat is clean fuel. you're brainwashed.
(Score: 2) by number11 on Wednesday November 28 2018, @05:17AM (2 children)
But you're ok with them adding fat (and sometimes water) to your ground meat? You do know that ground meat is carefully controlled for fat content (added or subtracted to meet a price point), no?
Me, I'm not sure what parts you consider "objectionable". For me, chitlings are ok (so long as well cleaned). Likewise poultry gizzards or hearts (preferably pickled, but whatever), livers, kidneys (so long as I don't have to smell them being cooked).
And of course, in a sausage, you get whatever the butcher chose.
Brain (neuron) matter is my own personal squick due to mad cow/cwd/cjd/prions. But you can buy canned brains in milk.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @07:38AM (1 child)
Sometimes I forget that there are low-quality suppliers of ground beef.
I get ground beef from Publix. Publix is one of only a couple US supermarkets that did not add pink slime. Fat is a known and standard evil, actually part of the animal, and I buy the lean stuff.
Hearts are excellent meat if you trim them carefully. I suppose tongues and gizzards are meat, though not very good. That other stuff is not meat. ("meat" is primarily muscle fiber, with nothing else intentionally added)
I don't eat sausage. I don't eat injected meat, or anything adulterated by a "brine" or "broth".
I'm happy to eat rabbit, squirrel, turtle, frog, horse, or dog. I do not wish to eat kidney, liver, brain, stomach, rectum, esophagus, trachea, spleen, testicles, ovaries, horns, hooves, fur, eyeballs, cartilage, tendons, stingers, lungs, poison glands, skin, scales, feathers...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @09:34AM
So no Macca's then?
(Score: 4, Interesting) by corey on Wednesday November 28 2018, @01:35AM (6 children)
This has touched a nerve for a lot of users here.
So much vitriol and picking apart the professor.
I feel like it's worth pointing out, whatever it is, the point is valid. Reducing meat intake will contribute to reducing carbon emissions substantially. You can try deal with the cognitive dissonance in your own time.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by khallow on Wednesday November 28 2018, @01:45AM (4 children)
The point was made in a vacuum and hence, isn't valid. We could also just become extinct. That would contribute to reducing carbon emissions substantially. You might even feel like it's worth pointing out that that point is "valid" too.
When you optimize without considering its costs (or simpler measures that accomplish much of the same), you get stuff like this.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @07:52PM (3 children)
I see the cognitive dissonance is winning. Too bad, we had a good run, way to keep humanity on track for extinction khallow!! Sharp as always
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday November 28 2018, @08:03PM (2 children)
I fight it wherever I can. But you know the saying about leading a horse to water.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @11:33PM (1 child)
If you're about to die of thirst I'll overnight you some dehydrated H2O.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 29 2018, @01:31AM
(Score: 2) by J_Darnley on Wednesday November 28 2018, @02:01PM
> Reducing meat intake will contribute to reducing carbon emissions substantially.
I don't care.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @01:40AM
We can eat ice cream and have warm weather.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @02:29AM (2 children)
I am leaving behind zero kids. This is a far greater benefit to the planet than anything else a single individual can do. So great, I can drive a hummer, eat meat at every meal, fly as much as I want and in the end I'll still have a smaller carbon footprint than anyone who chose to have kids.
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday November 28 2018, @08:19AM
Kids can be a lot of fun. Although, more the making than the raising. The hardest thing for me about raising kids has been finding the time. I know friends who leave their business so they can spend more time with their children, and I say, gimme a break! My children could not love me more if I spent 15 times more time with them.
We found a fantastic nanny from Belgrade, very gun-adept (RIP!!).
I have 5 children. That I know of. And 4 turned out beautifully. Very high quality people. Very rich -- going to be billionaires. So, 4 out of 5, not bad, right? And honestly, the other one -- she's probably better than anything you could come up with.
I think if I have more children, it's going to be in China. They're doing the Designer Gene now. And the first one they did, no more AIDS. Roy Cohn, maybe you've heard of Roy. He was my lawyer for many years. Until I found out -- AIDS. He was dieing, he was seriously ill. And I had to take all my legal business to another guy ASAP. Before he keeled over. Big hassle, you don't want that. So the Chinese, they put in the very special Gene for no AIDS. Otherwise known as HIV. So if the kid turns out to be LGBT, no problem. That's one kid that won't be spreading AIDS. I talked to the President of China. And the President of Russia. I asked them, do you have problems with the LGBTs? And they told me, "no problem at all. Because we get very tough on them." Well, with the very special Designer Genes, no need to be so tough. And possibly they can find the LGBT gene. They'll ask, "do you want an LGBT?" You say yes or no, very easy. And hopefully they can find the genes for all the diseases. All the VD. We're losing so many people to VD. So many young and beautiful lives being lost. And it's becoming a national emergy. You go up to so many young folks these days, you say let's have sex. And they tell you, "Sorry Sir, I can't. VD." Very sad situation. But with the Designer Genes, not a problem. And we'll get some young people that can just boink and boink like the Energizer Bunny. Do you know the Energizer Bunny? He just keeps going and going. Bang, bang, bang. And doesn't worry about the diseases.
And very soon they're going to have it PERFECTO. Where you can go to the machine. Press the buttons. And they'l have the buttons that say, Donald Trump Original. Don Jr. And Special Recipe. Or do a copy of yourself -- but with perfect hair & brain. Whichever one -- no VD. All licensed by the Trump Organization. And maybe it'll take some of the fun out of the making. Hopefully not. But the raising will be much better!!
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Wednesday November 28 2018, @04:10PM
Sure, you say that now, but in an alternate timeline, your kid saves the Earth. In this one, a giant asteroid hits it 100 years from now.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 4, Informative) by CZB on Wednesday November 28 2018, @02:30AM (3 children)
The issue is the method, not the livestock. The current state of the art is running cattle and chickens quickly over land growing as diverse a mix of plants as can grow. Short grazing periods, long recovery, manure feeds the plants, roots sequester carbon, and cattle emissions are way less on an ideal diet. The downside being higher management complexity. And a supply chain that favors large operations that put speed above animal and plant health.
Most of the anti-cow science is projections of worst case situations and is promoted by unreasonable vegans. (es feedlots are highly problematic, but there are other options.
If cow emissions are a concern, buy grass fed, free range, or directly from farmers you can talk to about their methods.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @07:56PM (2 children)
That is all great and a way forward to promote a better environmental balance, however it is still more refusals to address the simple fact that it requires more farmland to raise livestock than to grow plants.
We eat too much meat and there is absolutely nothing wrong with pointing this out and saying the entire world would benefit if we made meat less of a primary source of nutrition. This is a simple fact, the article isn't painting farmers as some evil cabal.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 29 2018, @01:36AM
No, but it sure is spreading nonsense based on ignorance.
And yes, farmers end up getting it in the neck because clueless urbanites voting for feel-good policies end up fucking them.
And people wonder why rural America keeps getting cranky ...
(Score: 3, Informative) by CZB on Thursday November 29 2018, @01:54AM
I didn't explain my point very well.
In a situation where one can grow plants or cows, the state of the art methods have shown you get more of both if ran together. You get a symbiotic, circular ecosystem that improves soil, plant and animal quality. Gabe Brown and Allen Savory have the most videos online as pioneers of the method proving it on the ground. Universities and government agencies are starting to recommend these methods. The world would benefit from having a lot more animals, if managed correctly.
The other technical detail that gets over looked is land use isn't uniform. In my area if I have 12 inches of soil and less than 10% surface rocks I can farm it, but all the thinner, rocky ground can only be grazed with cattle.
Currently there's a gap between the amount of farmers who recognize there is a better method and those who have implemented it. In a few years I think we can get enough adoption that the "cows are bad" claim can finally be put to rest.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @03:04AM (1 child)
And you phoenix666 can go fuck yoself.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday November 28 2018, @03:20AM
Thank you! That's the best belly laugh I've had in a long time.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @04:06AM (4 children)
The United States are the template for the world yet liberals are always trying to make things worse or shame us. You know what? Find happiness in yourself and learn from our success in being a bread basket of the world. You can't fix what's not broken. You can't control us.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @06:23AM (2 children)
This is the problem, you think it is some fascist authoritarian thing to point out reality and how we can improve things. No one is forcing you to do anything, no one is trying to control you, but a fuckton of people are trying to educate you and praying some little bit of it sticks.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @08:13AM (1 child)
Eating larvae is not "improvement". It's the opposite.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @08:06PM
Reducing meat consumption and increasing plant consumption is an improvement. No need to eat larvae.
What is with the levels of paranoia around here?
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday November 28 2018, @08:29AM
Globalism almost killed our Country. Mothers and children trapped in poverty in our inner cities. Rusted-out factories scattered like tombstones across the landscape of our Nation. An education system flush with cash, but which leaves our young and beautiful students deprived of knowledge. And the crime and gangs and drugs that have stolen too many lives and robbed our Country of so much unrealized potential. Until I stopped the American "carnage."
We are ONE NATION. And their pain is our pain. Their dreams are our dreams, and their success will be our success. We share One Heart, One Home, and One glorious Destiny!!!
(Score: 2) by requerdanos on Wednesday November 28 2018, @04:25PM
Let's measure one metric to help determine whether this is really something urgent.
What were Dr. Harwatt's last three meals at time of publication?
If they were vegan, then perhaps she really believes it's urgent and we should evaluate her claims.
If not, then even she doesn't believe it as measured by her beliefs put into practice.
(Score: 2) by Entropy on Wednesday November 28 2018, @08:36PM (1 child)
Where the climate change religion is headed if they get any traction. Enjoy your bugs, slaves. Meat is now too expensive for all but your rulers to enjoy.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 28 2018, @11:35PM
So THAT is what is going on. You crazies read so many dystopian novels you just assume that is how it will go down. One study that says reducing meat consumption will help the future of humanity and King of Entropy over here just has to freak out.
(Score: 2) by BananaPhone on Wednesday November 28 2018, @08:44PM
It's more responsible than killing an animal.
It's more climate friendly than growing millions of animals
It's healthier than going Carb-Crazy (as proposed in the article)
It's just not there yet. Give it 10 years and it will be an alternative.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 29 2018, @04:47PM
We need to eat more meat!