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The roast Christmas dinner is a valued tradition for many families in the UK and across the globe.
The health implications and environmental impacts of our diet have now become a regular discussion topic, with sustainable dietary advice recommending that we reduce meat consumption and increase the amount of plant-based proteins, fruits and vegetables we eat.
But what does this practically mean at Christmas? And how can we make our Christmas dinner more sustainable? Here are some tips to help you reduce the environmental impact of your Christmas feast.
tl;dr; eat turkey, cook it with sous vide, nuke the potatoes and veggies, eat what you take. Thank goodness no more recommendations to eat insects; they must have finally conceded that dog won't hunt...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22 2018, @05:13PM (15 children)
"However, microwaving will reduce the energy used in cooking the vegetables by about two thirds. It also keeps more of the water soluble vitamins and minerals intact, making the vegetables more nutritious.
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Good to know, however I live with someone afraid of EM radiation , For those without contact with the anti-em-health nuts, a microwave is the devil incarnate
(Score: 1) by Sulla on Saturday December 22 2018, @05:21PM (1 child)
I don't have a source for this so maybe someone else does. I thought I read about a side-by-side study involving guinea pigs fed veggis cooked in the microwave vs the stove. The guinea pigs fed exclusively microwave veggis got diabetes. One study vs many is pretty much nothing and guinea pigs are weak, but recalled it being interesting.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday December 22 2018, @05:38PM
Wonder how that study would have looked compared to a third group, only fed raw vegetable matter?
(Score: 2) by ledow on Saturday December 22 2018, @05:22PM (11 children)
You can't fix stupid.
If we could, environmental impacts would be among the last things we'd ever need to worry about.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22 2018, @05:46PM (9 children)
So what do you suppose? Robbing people of free choice so people who "know better" can dictate everything.
Yeah, that never was an issue in the past.
Also, prove to me EM radiation is 100% safe. You can't. So fuck off.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22 2018, @05:58PM (4 children)
Yeah, I know, that giant EM source in the sky outside of your mom's basement is frightening.
But once you step outside and feel its effects on your skin, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22 2018, @06:23PM
You mean the street light that used to shine in the basement window? That's why I put tin foil on the window!
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22 2018, @07:01PM (1 child)
Okay, I'll give it a try... IT BURNS! IT BURNS US!
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22 2018, @08:24PM
Eh, fair enough.
(Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Sunday December 23 2018, @12:02PM
It's not just a source of EM radiation, it is a freaking nuclear reactor!
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 3, Informative) by ledow on Saturday December 22 2018, @11:29PM (3 children)
EM radiation is not 100% safe.
If it was you could sunbathe for hours without effect and stick your head in the working microwave oven without ill effect.
What you want is me to say "all EM radiation of every kind and power is safe". What I'm saying is microwaves aren't irradiating you via your food. Make your own argument elsewhere, google some research on it or, better yet, go study a science to a graduate level.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 23 2018, @04:27PM (2 children)
Is a science correct? I thought science was a specific method of obtaining knowledge.
(Score: 2) by ledow on Sunday December 23 2018, @05:36PM (1 child)
There are many sciences. Science encapsulates them all. Any one of them will require the scientific process and introduce you to the critical thinking necessary.
Even "computer science"... I attended a university with a "school of mathematical sciences". Because the mathematics are science too, and there are many mathematics, and many mathematical sciences, let alone sciences themselves.
You can't "study science" as a whole. It doesn't work like that any more (not since the Dark Ages has one person been able to grasp the majority of all known science). You can study a science. You can study multiple sciences. Any of them are "science". They are all also each a science in their own right.
Nobody gets a degree / PhD in "science". They get one in a specific subset. Even the old "biology, chemistry, physics" isn't sufficient categorisation - engineering is a science, mathematics are, geological science, all kinds of things.
Science is a process and even a "theology", but you don't study "science". You study a particular science. And literally ANY one will do. A mathematician will have as good a grasp of the underlying mechanics of science as a electronics engineer or a particle physicist. But you can't state that you need to be a particle physicist to understand science. You just need to have studied a science, any science, to a sufficient degree to realise the principles and get the grounding into how to do your own research, critique and confirm scientific publishing, or even get the proper feel for what's scientific and what's trash.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 23 2018, @07:52PM
You are funny.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 23 2018, @03:10PM
you're right, and all of these wasteful practices that remain encouraged by businesses that are threatened by young people choosing different means of following tradition should all be forced into a conservative methodology that favors big busiensses, because when God meant we'd be stewards of the earth, he didn't actually mean it--he meant that our interpretation was to be that we'd hire illegals to mow the lawn.
i wondered how long it'd take for someone to make an unrelated comment so that they could spew their rhetoric without even reading the article as to what and why, and I wasn't disappointed that it only took 23 minutes after the story was posted for someone to admit that they favor big business policies because its what the conservative ideology keeps insisting.
i am sure that an ecologically prepared meal will bring about the damnation of this holiday! just ask old man Warner, he was always against change.
(Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Sunday December 23 2018, @11:56AM
Did you already tell that person to live in the dark, because light is EM radiation? Oh, and in the cold, because heat radiation is EM radiation as well.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 2, Flamebait) by takyon on Saturday December 22 2018, @05:59PM (2 children)
Eat roaches.
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(Score: 4, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday December 22 2018, @06:20PM (1 child)
That's not a lot of help for bong smokers, yo.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 24 2018, @09:50AM
I've never eaten a roach, but I once swollowed a bunch because I drank from the wrong bottle in the car.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22 2018, @06:28PM
That you have a First World 'problem'.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22 2018, @06:33PM (2 children)
The demographic this will be blamed on: faggots and "incels." (i.e. people who refuse to have sex with cisgender women... why is saying cisgender necessary? because having sex with a transgender woman does not count towards one's "score"... only feminism could successfully turn humanism on its head and embrace patriarchal values, demanding a straight-jacket gender role for those unfortunate enough to be assigned the male caste [because we are no longer talking about the natural phenomenon of gender] that includes having a sufficiently high "score" with the only logical conclusion that every time a feminist says "incel," she is encouraging rape. Simply put: feminists who say "incel" are pro-rape.)
The demographic this will not be blamed on: cisgender women who drive gas-guzzling SUVs, call assigned males interested in reusability "incels" because apparently only "incels" who "can't get laid" (getting laid is defined as having sex with somebody who menstruates regularly; all other sexual relationships are homosexual and don't count towards one's cherry-popping "score"), vote for Donald Trump, think abortion (even if the life of the mother is at stake!) should be illegal, and turn around and blame people who voted for Hillary Clinton for She Lost for no other reason than the caste they were assigned at birth!
Senator Hirono comes to mind along with the feminist writers at the New York Times. These aren't just some fringe group "nobody" listens to. These are people who implement policies at universities making a simple "hello" to a womyn-born-womyn an offense worthy of expulsion upon a mere unsubstantiated accusation and denial of due process, constituting theft of tens of thousands of dollars in tuition fees and a gross violation of Title IX.
This entire thing is just more feminist gaslighting.
Look for the financial connections to Betsy DeVos and Blackwater. My gut tells me that behind all of this you will find figures that feminists pretend to vilify during the day but then take marching orders from behind closed doors. The feminist-neoconsevative alliance may even be responsible for the genocide in Yemen.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22 2018, @06:55PM (1 child)
Redundancy check.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22 2018, @08:20PM
Forgot to mention the incels who are also rapists.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday December 22 2018, @06:57PM
Christmas is special. The head elves at the North Pole assure me that Christmas Day pollution is magically turned into Christmas decorations, for use at Christmas time next year. So, splurge, just a little, you Grinches.
(Score: 5, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday December 22 2018, @07:22PM (5 children)
Okay, vegetables make you fart. Farts contain methane. Methane is a greenhouse gas. The only green option is to not eat vegetables. Eat other animals instead. When you eat other animals, herbivores especially, you have caused an end to all their future flatulence and thus reduced net carbon emissions.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday December 22 2018, @07:43PM (3 children)
From what I've read, most people have little or no methane in their flatulence, and it's mostly atmospheric nitrogen with elevated levels of H2S and CO2.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by linuxrocks123 on Saturday December 22 2018, @08:03PM (1 child)
DFTT
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday December 23 2018, @05:04AM
That wasn't trolling, just a lame fart joke.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 23 2018, @04:31PM
I think it's just the ladies. Mine does have a heavy dose of methane in them.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Ethanol-fueled on Sunday December 23 2018, @03:16AM
Beano [beanogas.com] is a thing. And with the added bonus of repelling Mexicans like garlic repels vampires.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by hendrikboom on Saturday December 22 2018, @09:15PM
We do Christmas pizza. Baked at home starting with flatbread and toppings. Each his own pizza.
How does that rate on the energy scale?
Also, baking here doesn't cost extra energy -- It's freezing outside and the oven and the apartment heating are both electrical. So if the oven leaks heat, the apartment heating just turns off for a while to maintain comfort. And after baking, we leave the oven closed, so it leaks heat slowly. We don't get a huge heat spike that might cause extra heat to leave the apartment.
Anybody have a better analysis of this?
-- hendrik
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 22 2018, @09:43PM (3 children)
These are the same people who caused an obesity crisis by telling you the majority of food you eat should be grains. Isnt it curious how every restaurant tries to force bread or fries or rice or chips on you?Almost as if that makes you spend more money on food.
So, I would recommend doing the opposite of whatever they say.
(Score: 2) by stretch611 on Sunday December 23 2018, @12:57AM (2 children)
Or maybe they give you all those breads and/or chips so that you fill up and they can give you smaller portions without you complaining. (or so that you do not complain due to hunger while waiting for the entree.)
Now with 5 covid vaccine shots/boosters altering my DNA :P
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 23 2018, @02:04AM
Nah that is wishful thinking. Big Grain has been manipulating restaurants for decades!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 23 2018, @03:30AM
They give it to you because it makes them more money. A lot of times ill say no fries/rice and they give it to me anyway.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Gaaark on Saturday December 22 2018, @11:28PM
Instead of using Christmas wrapping paper that is not recyclable, I bought Kraft paper that is: I have written notes on it about how I feel about the person and then silly stuff.
No Christmas card: all I want to say is right on the wrap.
When done, recycle!
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 23 2018, @02:13AM
Cook whoever came up with the question. Gets you a meal and also decreases the net carbon footprint.