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posted by CoolHand on Monday January 28 2019, @05:41PM   Printer-friendly
from the riding-in-our-plasma-jets dept.

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How to escape a black hole: Simulations provide new clues about powerful plasma jets: Interplay of twisting magnetic field, 'negative-energy' particles

[...] New simulations led by researchers working at the Department of Energy's Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) and UC Berkeley have combined decades-old theories to provide new insight about the driving mechanisms in the plasma jets that allows them to steal energy from black holes' powerful gravitational fields and propel it far from their gaping mouths.

The simulations could provide a useful comparison for high-resolution observations from the Event Horizon Telescope, an array that is designed to provide the first direct images of the regions where the plasma jets form.

[...] The simulations, for the first time, unite a theory that explains how electric currents around a black hole twist magnetic fields into forming jets, with a separate theory explaining how particles crossing through a black hole's point of no return -- the event horizon -- can appear to a distant observer to carry in negative energy and lower the black hole's overall rotational energy.

It's like eating a snack that causes you to lose calories rather than gaining them. The black hole actually loses mass as a result of slurping in these "negative-energy" particles.

[...] Performed at a supercomputing center at NASA Ames Research Center in Mountain View, California, the simulations incorporate new numerical techniques that provide the first model of a collisionless plasma -- in which collisions between charged particles do not play a major role -- in the presence of a strong gravitational field associated with a black hole.

The simulations naturally produce effects known as the Blandford-Znajek mechanism, which describes the twisting magnetic fields that form jets, and a separate Penrose process that describes what happens when negative-energy particles are gulped down by the black hole.

The Penrose process, "even though it doesn't necessarily contribute that much to extracting the black hole's rotation energy," Parfrey said, "is possibly directly linked to the electric currents that twist the jets' magnetic fields."

While more detailed than some earlier models, Parfrey noted that his team's simulations are still playing catch-up with observations, and are idealized in some ways to simplify the calculations needed to perform the simulations.


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  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @05:53PM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @05:53PM (#793120)

    This is typical "force the universe into a preconceived narrative", more commonly known as *faith*. I don't like it.

    • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @06:06PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @06:06PM (#793132)

      Yeah, I think you're right. The universe obviously makes more sense when we consider that a cometary Venus must have been ejected from Jupiter and that the lizard people engineered the proto-Saturn nova in order to build the Sol-Thuban fatline.

      What do those scientist dorks know?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @11:58PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @11:58PM (#793320)

        Sounds every bit as plausible and dark matter and negative energy, which comes from bad vibes, by the way. I think they need to conduct more LSD experiments.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 29 2019, @12:32AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 29 2019, @12:32AM (#793333)

          I think they need to conduct more LSD experiments.

          At least we can all agree on something.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @09:05PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @09:05PM (#793222)

      This is typical "force the universe into a preconceived narrative", more commonly known as *faith*. I don't like it.

      You have a good point here. We have little empirical knowledge of black holes, and it's all theoretical. It's very likely that any models based on them are wrong, possibly in some fundamental and irreconcilable way with reality (assuming they even exist).

      On the other hand, there is definitely value in these kinds of thought experiments. They reveal contradictions and obvious holes in the theory... or reveal things which *are* testable which can either bolster or undermine a theory.

      As long as in the end they get to something which is actually testable, and then those things are in fact tested, then it's not just blind faith for the sake of glorifying the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @09:31PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @09:31PM (#793229)

      You don't like faith? Have you ever considered that there are two possibilities, either God exists and he granted you with self-determination, or the universe just exists as a giant computer running a predetermined program based on initial conditions set by chance, and everything you do, think, and will do is already predetermined. Enjoy!

      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by maxwell demon on Monday January 28 2019, @10:29PM

        by maxwell demon (1608) on Monday January 28 2019, @10:29PM (#793266) Journal

        Have you ever considered that there are more than two possibilities?

        --
        The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
  • (Score: 4, Funny) by Thexalon on Monday January 28 2019, @06:41PM (4 children)

    by Thexalon (636) on Monday January 28 2019, @06:41PM (#793159)

    It is theoretically possible to get out of a black hole by reconfiguring the deflector screens to push tachyons into our tractor beams, then using the ionized radiation to locate the correct frequency. Once we have that, it's a simple matter of replicating the Class X probe, and adjusting the transporters to allow the probe to beam into the relevant portion of the event horizon, then use the warp core to cause a photon burst that will, in theory, push us away.

    From the engineering alone, I'd figure we'd have maybe a 2% chance of success, but seeing as how we haven't thought of anything better, we're 40 minutes into the episode, and there are still 6 episodes left in this season our odds are approximately 100% that this will work. Although it is a little strange given how often we're zooming around the galaxy going way too fast that this particular scenario hasn't come up more often.

    --
    The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @09:01PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28 2019, @09:01PM (#793220)

      Nah, that solution may have a 2% chance of success, but in practice it is guaranteed to fail. I'd recommend you reverse the polarity in about 5 minutes. That should resolve any lingering issues and spike the chance of success to closer to 100% success.

    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday January 29 2019, @02:23AM

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday January 29 2019, @02:23AM (#793376) Journal

      Dammit, Jim, I'm a pharmacy tech, not a mechanic!

      --
      I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 29 2019, @12:09PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 29 2019, @12:09PM (#793507)

      \blackhole

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 29 2019, @05:15PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 29 2019, @05:15PM (#793624)

      actually, if researching/observing blackholes from a spaceship, every good capt'n know to throw a anchor towards any OTHER nearest blackhole.
      if getting to close to the first blackhole, just let go of the anchor, so it drops further/closer into the other blackhole.
      the problem is then mostly timing the correct moment to cut the unrecoverable anchor chain because of instant acceleration to light-speed and subsequent time-dilation effect. ^_^

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 29 2019, @08:09AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 29 2019, @08:09AM (#793459)

    So, this opens a future possibillity to use a black hole as a energy source for interstellar travel?

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