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Georgia Republicans Push for State 'Journalism Ethics Board':
Six Republican state representatives in Georgia have moved to create an "ethics board" for journalists that would require news organizations to provide copies of pictures and audio and video recordings of interviews to subjects who request them or risk civil penalty.
The cost of meeting those requests would be paid by the news organizations.
The proposed legislation, House Bill 734, titled the "Ethics in Journalism Act," was sponsored Tuesday by Rep. Andy Welch, who represents the city of McDonough.
The bill would create a board of media professionals and academics that would produce"a canon of ethics" and "develop a voluntary accreditation process in journalism ethics," which would also allow for the investigation and sanctioning of journalists.
This bill isn't really about local news publishers (although they would be censored too) this is about censoring CNN which is headquartered in Atlanta.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Friday April 05 2019, @10:45PM (8 children)
These state legislators want to visit Washington for the Supreme Court decision that will never come.
Assuming, of course, they have enough support to get their proposal passed and signed into law in GA. Which, even though it's GA, seems unlikely.
And even if they do, they'll likely get smacked down by both state and federal courts repeatedly, before having their appeal to the Supreme Court ignored, allowing the lower court rulings that they are anti-American, anti-First Amendment pieces of shit stand.
So. To those six morons I say, "good luck with that!"
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 05 2019, @11:46PM (2 children)
What will be even funnier is when Faux News gets ensnared by this debacle. "W-w-what?!? You mean these laws that we pass apply equally to our side too?!? Why that is just plain anti-American!!!"
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday April 06 2019, @02:52AM
Neither side ever remembers that. I can only assume they're either dumber than shit, insane enough to think their party will ride in upon a tide of righteous public support and never again lose power, or both.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by DutchUncle on Monday April 08 2019, @01:40PM
Calvin & Hobbes comic on exactly this topic: https://lifeexaminations.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/calvin_and_hobbes_ethics.jpg [wordpress.com]
(Score: 5, Funny) by bob_super on Saturday April 06 2019, @12:18AM (1 child)
How much tax money are those Slashers of Big Government, Defenders of Low Taxes, going to waste in the process ?
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 06 2019, @09:36PM
We need more investigations of voter fraud and Benghazi.
But that Mueller thing was a total waste of money, so let's not even read it. OK with u guyz?
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 06 2019, @03:25AM (2 children)
Yeah, well the court just ruled that its ok to literally torture someone to death. And Gorsuch supported that rationale by saying "well victims aren't guaranteed a painless death either" as if the state should have equal moral standing to murderers.
Clarence Thomas has admitted he's been mainlining Rush Limbaugh for decades (literally officiated one of Limbaugh's marriages at his own house even), Scalia had similar media consumption habits. You can pretty much assume that all the conservatives on the court have had their brains rotted by fox news or worse and are likely to rubber-stamp whatever idiocy rises out of the fever swamp of the GOP for the forseeable future.
(Score: 4, Funny) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday April 06 2019, @04:07AM
Thomas has not been doing well since Scalia's death. He has to pay a spirit medium utterly ruinous rates to maintain the ether link to the crystal ball he's had surgically implanted in his skull so Scalia can keep telling him what to and, indeed, what to think. The occasional tortured scream or whiff of supercritical sulphur is an unfortunate side effect, and is not doing his breath any favors. I am told he also had a plaster cast made of Scalia's right arm, which he has permanently inserted up his rectum, but it's just not the same.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by captain normal on Saturday April 06 2019, @07:20PM
Now that would be interesting if say EIB Media were to be slapped with a "Ethics in Journalism Act" violation suit.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts"- --Daniel Patrick Moynihan--
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 05 2019, @10:56PM (1 child)
The Koran does not allow images of Allah or Mohammed, so what happens if you ask for a copy of an interview with either of those subjects?
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 05 2019, @11:06PM
Why don't you ask Yusuf Islam [wikipedia.org]? He'll tell you that a lot of nice things turn bad out there [youtube.com].
(Score: 0, Troll) by realDonaldTrump on Friday April 05 2019, @11:03PM (5 children)
If the Dems made the same move, you'd call it Transparency. I think it's a great move. But, I wouldn't trust C.N.N. to give an honest copy. I learned the hard way about those assholes -- Koi Pond Incident. Now I always bring my own Camera Guys. Some of the footage they get is a real eye opener. And C-S.P.A.N. is amazing too, they did the "tape" of Jim Acosta of C.N.N. -- terrible person -- doing something HIGHLY INAPPROPRIATE to one of our beautiful young interns. And actually I thank Infowars for that one too. Great job!!!! pic.twitter.com/T8X1Ng912y [t.co]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 05 2019, @11:09PM
You're watching CSPAN. I read that wrong. You're watching CSPAN? [youtube.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 05 2019, @11:13PM (3 children)
CNN will only have to move to another country to avoid real news... like California.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday April 05 2019, @11:56PM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 06 2019, @06:03AM (1 child)
I see you're learning geography from FOX News.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 06 2019, @07:49AM
Which Mexican country was that again?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 05 2019, @11:13PM (2 children)
Jokers to the Left of me, jokers to the Right of me...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 05 2019, @11:42PM
Election Year Rag.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 06 2019, @07:42AM
Fuck off, you senile clown. Not gonna get stuck in the middle with you [wikipedia.org], I have my own dementia problems, don't need your memory loss too.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by crafoo on Friday April 05 2019, @11:23PM (6 children)
OK. But first let's get a Ethics In Politics board formed first. Where we can investigate and sanction politicians for unethical behavior. What? There are already laws in place that can be utilized? Why, I had no idea. Imagine that. Wait a second, do these laws not apply to journalists? Oh, OK then, of course a special board is needed, OUTSIDE AND PARALLEL TO THE LEGAL SYSTEM, to punish these journalists. The legal system is so troublesome and pesky with it's presumption of innocence and laws governing evidence collection. So slow and troublesome.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 05 2019, @11:46PM (1 child)
Ethics in politics is an oxymoron or a least a gaggle of morons.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 06 2019, @04:21AM
There. FTFY.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 06 2019, @04:05PM (2 children)
How will they be able to pack the board with Republicans knowlegeable about ethics?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 09 2019, @02:19PM (1 child)
Is this just another echo chamber or am I still on slashdot?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday April 09 2019, @03:43PM
Hi, have you met me?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 06 2019, @04:17PM
The suggested idea has two major problems. Firstly being that it's blatantly unconstitutional to have the government involved in journalism. One of the reasons for the 1st amendment is to ensure that the media is protected against the whims of politicians that may not like what the stories say.
The other major problem here is that the suggestion is purely intended as a way of curtailing reports about all the horrible things that they're doing. Not out of any honest concern for the well being of the public.
That being said, journalists have some pretty amazing lapses in ethical behavior lately. You don't much here about the complete lack of evidence for chemical weapons being used by Syria and the whole idea makes no sense as the government has been winning. It's mostly the US and Al Qaeda that are trying to keep things going. Likewise, there's been little coverage of the Democrats rigging their own primary so that the networks can cover all that ridiculous Russia colluding with Trump stuff. There's a ton of problems with Trump's candidacy that deserve looking into and prosecution, but that's not one of them. Had the Democrats allowed the voters to decide whom the candidate should be, Trump likely would have lost.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Sulla on Friday April 05 2019, @11:29PM (24 children)
So you mean that if I get interviewed by my local news for whatever reason, they chop it up for sound-bytes and it makes me look bad because some intern who doesn't understand finance made a okay thing sound like a bad thing, that I can't request a copy of the interview to protect my name/company/whatever?
I don't want the government involved with regulating media, at all. At the same point I think that the media would want to be open about this because their whole brand is supposed to be truth.
Rather than argue that "these guys are insane, why would they want this" the media in that area should respond by making all of their information open (honor requests to get copies of interviews that you/your organization were part of). This would make the bill pointless because the problem was solved. It would be a PR win for the media companies and blunt the law from passing.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Saturday April 06 2019, @12:21AM (8 children)
What would be the point? You can record it yourself without imposing on the local news. Libel/slander law still works.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 06 2019, @01:07AM (7 children)
Almost any media outlet will refuse to do the interview if the subject shows up with his own camera crew.
They're not interested in the truth. They have the story already written before they interview anyone; they're just looking for some sound bytes to make the person look like however their story needs them to look. If there's a camera there that they don't control, recording the actual truth, they'll bail.
(Score: 1) by Sulla on Saturday April 06 2019, @01:36AM (5 children)
Right. And some states require both parties permission for something to be recorded. So you could authorize them but they refuse to authorize you.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 06 2019, @03:16AM (4 children)
That's only over the phone. There is no such requirement in person. The closest thing is that publishers typically get a release to cover their ass in case a clip gets used in a commercial (rather than just in a straight news story for which there is ample 1st amdt protection). But a private citizen will never need such a thing to make their own recording that they post on youtube or twitter.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 06 2019, @01:55PM (3 children)
False, at least in WA (unless you are press, then you have carte blanche). https://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.73.030 [wa.gov]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 06 2019, @03:15PM (1 child)
Read more carefully, those are all over the telephone or equivalent. Its all about wiretapping. None of that applies in person.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 06 2019, @03:22PM
Wrong. Here is the omitted paragraph dealing with "wiretapping" followed by the one about private conversation:
If paragraph (b) was about wiretapping, paragraph (a) is redundant, and it is a basic foundation of statutory construction that legislatures do not engage in useless acts such as redundancy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_interpretation [wikipedia.org] See: Rule against surplusage
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 06 2019, @10:45PM
Some of those exceptions are funny, how the hell do you know someone's going to threaten you or that it's a harrasing phone call beforehand, so you can set up your recording device?
(Score: 4, Insightful) by khallow on Saturday April 06 2019, @03:54AM
And what's the problem with that?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 06 2019, @01:04AM (1 child)
Many things are not what they are "supposed" to be.
Did you believe Google when they said they were not evil? Do you believe a used car salesman when he says the car was only driven every other Sunday by a nice nun and her nine nieces? Then why do you believe the media when they tell you they're telling you the truth? That is, after all, precisely what a liar would say, isn't it?
The only thing the media wants to be open is your throat as they shove their lies down it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 06 2019, @07:52PM
No Puppy, it is not your throat that they will be shoving stuff into.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 06 2019, @07:49AM (8 children)
Nobody can force you in the interview.
So, next time they ask you to sit one, condition your approval to broadcast it on a delivery of a copy of the full and edited version of the interview.
If they don't agree, decline the interview.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 06 2019, @09:37AM (2 children)
And when they agree, but then later renege on that agreement, misrepresent you, potentially put your life in danger, and then stonewall you when you seek justice and restitution; what are you going to do when they have a team of expensive lawyers and you don't?
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday April 06 2019, @11:22AM (1 child)
Any verbal agreement worth as much as the paper is printed on.
If you have it in writing, signed by them, there's a contractual law suit quite easy to win.
Then you have your money to sue for slander.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by captain normal on Saturday April 06 2019, @07:55PM
Does that mean that virtually all EULAs are invalid?
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts"- --Daniel Patrick Moynihan--
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 06 2019, @02:22PM (3 children)
Here's an example involving the Trayvon Martin case 911 call where editing changed the nature of the call. NBC omitted dialogue to make Zimmerman sound racist. It also eliminated Zimmerman's response when the 911 dispatcher said Zimmerman didn't need to follow him (Z's response was "OK" and while he didn't instantly stop, it shortly becomes clear that he did stop and he lost track of where Martin was).
NBC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BQ_0IAjMzM [youtube.com]
Unedited: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L04Vh4do6bY [youtube.com]
There is no doubt that most media companies are trying to push a narrative of one sort or another no matter where they fall on the political spectrum. The lead up to the Iraq war put that into my consciousness. The treatment of Bernie Sanders in the last election cycle burned it there. I have zero faith in the media at this point. When something comes up in the news, I always try to find the source material -- I view the media as an incredibly unreliable encyclopedia worthwhile only as a source of citations so to speak, and then try to read/watch the full unedited, unfiltered source materials. When I can do that, I find that more often then not, I disagree with the slant placed on the original story.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday April 06 2019, @03:48PM (2 children)
Surely, the ultra-loyal Republican Guard would have persuaded you otherwise!
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 06 2019, @04:57PM (1 child)
You mean the NY TImes? Cause the NYT was a big cheerleader you know. Just look at how bloodthirsty HRC was -- Democrat, Republican, doesn't matter. Both are steeped in imperial traditions.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday April 06 2019, @05:06PM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 06 2019, @09:28PM
"Nobody can force you in the interview.
So, next time they ask you to sit one, condition your approval to broadcast it on a delivery of a copy of the full and edited version of the interview.
If they don't agree, decline the interview."
I believe Obama tried that with Faux News once upon a time. They've been in a snit ever since.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 06 2019, @04:21PM (1 child)
The main issues that need fixing in terms of journalistic ethics are the fairness doctrine being reinstated and they need to stop going for fair and balanced. They need to go back to objective. Some issues just don't have 2 sides with equal validity. And in most cases that's the case, the anti-vaxxers do not have an equally valid viewpoint to those that generally support vaccinations. The people who are pushing the corporate takeover of everything do not have an equally valid point to those that want to ensure that corporations are subjected to regulations to prevent them from destroying the country.
The news media behaving as if those sides all have the same level of validity in terms of beliefs is a huge part of why we can't solve our biggest problems. You have people thinking that it's valid to cut taxes on the richest people while we have tens of thousands of homeless people, including some who actually work fulltime jobs.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday April 06 2019, @05:10PM
Or maybe it's people who want regulation scaled back to a sane level versus Luddites willing to burn down society just to spite their favorite bogeyman. The proper rhetoric can spice up a mere disagreement over regulation, but maybe it's not so useful for determining who has a legitimate viewpoint.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday April 06 2019, @07:20PM
Journalism has NEVER been about truth. Whether state-controlled, or "free", journalism has always been political, with an agenda. The "duty" of a state controlled press, is to preserve and advance the state. The "duty" of a "free" press is to advance the agenda of which ever party has influence with that news source. The other "duty" of any press, is to make a profit, ie, to get those ratings.
My, and your, favorite news outlets are guilty of folding, spindling, and mutilating the truth, routinely. Same is true of our least favorite outlets. OAN, or One America News ranks among my favorites, but I am perfectly aware that they have an agenda, no less than Fox or CNN have their agendas.
Sometimes, I actually have an un-American thought, and wonder if things would really be any worse without our "free press". The Brits and the Canucks seem to be better informed than most of our citizens, without all the lip service to "free press".
Did a search for some examples, and this one is so far over the top, I couldn't resist it: https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1174281/ [stormfront.org] Yeah, I know it's not a real news outlet, but still . . . :^)
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DutchUncle on Monday April 08 2019, @01:47PM
As usual with politics, they have put a reasonable idea up front - "you have to provide the original so people can see when you cherry-pick out of context" - and hidden the unreasonable idea behind it - "... and the government censors get pre-approval."
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 06 2019, @12:05AM (1 child)
"require news organizations to provide copies of pictures and audio and video recordings of interviews to subjects who request them or risk civil penalty"
I think that is fair, but then again I would imagine the interviewees could stipulate that as part of the interview process. The oversight board with investigative and sanctioning powers is truly messed up. While I would love to see some pundits get a smack down it still violates freedom of speech and seriously undermines the ability to maintain a free press.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday April 06 2019, @02:57AM
Yep. Sounds fun until you actually put the first two seconds of thought into it.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by istartedi on Saturday April 06 2019, @12:20AM
We're running newspapers now. Yeeeeehaw!
Appended to the end of comments you post. Max: 120 chars.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 06 2019, @12:41AM (55 children)
you mean this is about adding republican censorship to the ones CNN already sports
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 06 2019, @01:23AM (54 children)
I always get a good chuckle when I hear CNN described as the liberal network. Only in comparison to the batshit crazy stuff on Fox!!
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday April 06 2019, @03:03AM (53 children)
Compared to the middle of the US political spectrum, they're undoubtedly on the left. Not even moderate left. Barely but definitely within the hard left. Not extreme left, just hard left. If you can't see that, it's probably because your vantage point is much farther left and everything to the right of you appears red shifted.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 06 2019, @03:18AM (5 children)
As a denizen of the fascist right you have literally zero perspective to determine where anything to the left of you lies on the spectrum. Anyone who thinks CNN is hard left has never read The Nation or Jacobin Magazine.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 06 2019, @03:43AM
Nah, you are just a stupid libtard. The network that hires multiple commentators who have signed non-disparagement contracts with republicans [google.com] is totally a hard-left organization. Don't you know anything? Republicans are a leftist party through and through.
(Score: 3, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday April 06 2019, @02:44PM (3 children)
I'm not remotely on the right, yo. I am an actual liberal. Not a "progressive" which used to be more or less the same thing but "someone who believes in liberty". Progressives are not truthfully leftists. They're just another flavor of right-wing authoritarians who aren't even able to see what they've become.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 06 2019, @03:11PM (1 child)
Yes, yes, yes. We've all heard your "I'm a classical liberal because I'm an ultrabigot" sophistry straight out of the intellectual derpweb. That's what happens when some fool thinks he knows more about the humanities than his profs and tunes them out. The rest of us paid attention and developed an immune system to bullshit, you on the other hand never became a critical thinker. And now you are such a mental weakling that weakest of the weak - the neo-nazis - have colonized your mind. You walk around spouting their talking points like a genius, unaware of them yanking the strings they've attached to all your insecurities.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday April 06 2019, @03:49PM
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 06 2019, @09:35PM
"I'm not remotely on the right, yo. I am an actual liberal."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
(Score: 5, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday April 06 2019, @04:14AM (39 children)
ノット ディス シット アゲン！ オー マイ ガー・・・
We've had this discussion before. CNN looks left because the Overton Window in the US has been shifted so far right we have people campaigning for office who are basically the Christian Taliban, but too fat and too low-testosterone to grow facial hair. CNN is the center of the Democrats, a.k.a., the Clinton Dynasty, a.k.a., Reagan Republicans. We don't *have* a left-leaning mainstream news outlet.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday April 06 2019, @02:46PM (12 children)
We're not talking global scale here, we're talking internal US scale. That you insist on using the global scale for internal matters every time someone tries to do otherwise is getting a bit silly.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday April 06 2019, @03:52PM
Really, it's using European scales. The rest of the continents with the possible exception of South America aren't particularly left-leaning either.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday April 06 2019, @06:33PM (10 children)
Even within just the US alone, the Overton Window has gone way the hell to the right in the last 50 years. We have TV commercials of Nixon and Reagan talking about universal healthcare. Republicans. Now? Not even most Democrats would touch the idea, not seriously.
Cut this shit out. You fool no one but yourself (and assorted hangers-on like Hallow down there).
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday April 07 2019, @06:53AM (9 children)
That is without a doubt the silliest thing you have ever said here. Nobody remotely aware of US political history and even an ounce of intellectual honesty would ever make that claim.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday April 07 2019, @10:13PM (8 children)
You're fucking blind. We had Reagan and Nixon on television talking about universal healthcare, remember? Republicans. Talking about universal healthcare. Now? Not even most Democrats will touch the idea now.
You don't just get to fling accusations like that when the facts are against you. Since your kind only learns by suffering, I can only hope you end up in a position that forces you to open your eyes, and sooner rather than later.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday April 09 2019, @07:01AM (7 children)
Ah, right, I forget you weren't old enough at the time to notice fuck all, so you have to rely on the bullshit people feed you about way back then when dinosaurs roamed the earth. Let me make it clear for you: The people telling you this shit are either fucking idiots or outright liars. As a nation we have moved so far to the left from when I was a kid that I barely even recognize the place anymore.
Would you like a laundry list of all the ways it has or are you willing to admit you're horribly wrong and drop it preemptively?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday April 09 2019, @01:58PM (6 children)
Your experiences in The Cousinfuckers' Confederate Republic of Rednecikstan are not reflective of the rest of the country. Get over yourself. Besides which, left socially and left economically aren't even close to the same thing. I wish they were, but they ain't.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday April 09 2019, @03:45PM (5 children)
See, that response tells me you're trying your ass off to win this argument but you've got nothing but ad-homs to do so with. Because you're wrong and you know it.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday April 09 2019, @06:42PM (4 children)
No, I'm not. If anything, your supposed wide range of travels speaks even more ill of you than if you'd remained in New Incestville your entire life, because *you haven't learned anything from it.* Oh, sure, it sounds like you took in the sights and possibly learned (the hard way, I bet...) not to mouth off to certain people, but what did you really learn about all these groups you so casually dismiss as *people?* From the sound of it, little to nothing.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday April 12 2019, @03:46AM (3 children)
Full on ad-hom now? Usually you throw in at least a tiny bit of something slightly relevant so you can't be nailed to the wall for making no argument. Now you're just being tiresome. Grow up, little girl.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday April 12 2019, @05:46AM (2 children)
Oh, I'm sorry, you had an argument in there somewhere...? Coulda fooled me.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday April 12 2019, @11:50AM (1 child)
Funny, you paid it a cursory notice a reply or two ago. You must have realized you didn't have a leg to stand on when you went full on ad-hom. You really might want to try a different approach. You're doing your team a significant disservice by not just perpetuating the angry lesbian stereotype but taking it to caricature levels.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday April 12 2019, @03:40PM
No, you don't. You're, once again, ignoring the rest of the world because it doesn't suit your narrative, and if all you have is "hurr hurr wai so angry dyke hurr what a stereotype!" you've well and truly lost. One of us here is a caricature, and it's not me. Shove your tone trolling up your ass so hard you choke on it, assuming you've got room for it up there next to your gigantic swollen head.
Here's some video evidence: Nixon pushing what was essentially Obamacare way back in the 70s. This is a Republican doing this; these days, not even a Democrat would touch this! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A0O7IVsVhY [youtube.com] Yeah, he pays the usual bootlicking lip-service to how "we don't do national healthcare" here, but, again, this was Obamacare. Proposed by a Republican. In the 70s. Ford didn't last long enough to get anything done, so forget about him.
Even further back, here's Dwight Eisenhower, the last Republican we have ever had with even a shred of honor and personal human decency. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhQ6DYyJihI [youtube.com] This is, again, a Republican talking about the idea. No Democrat would touch it. If Ike were alive today he'd have a hard time running as a Democrat, let alone a Republican.
Looks like a shift rightward, buddy boy. What is it going to take to make you face reality? At this point, it seems to me like nothing is going to do it until you yourself suffer in ways that make you see why this is necessary. All I can do is hope that happens sooner rather than later.
Given a chance, I would take the Canadian or (what remains of...) the UK or Australian systems over the US system in a heartbeat.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 06 2019, @02:57PM
Eh, CNN is just another bullshit reality-show where all they do is hire talking heads to yell at each other and say nothing of substance. Its all fake drama for "the real housewives of wherever" crowd. Other than being pro-greed I don't think they really have a bias. MSNBC might be closer to what you are ascribing to CNN. But they, like all major news media, are owned by billionaires and operated by multi-millionaires and are paid by ad revenues so they still have a very strong top-down pro-greed bias, its just a little more contained.
The fact is that CNN (and MSNBC) love trump. Business has never been better. He loves them too, he needs an enemy for his sycophants to focus on instead of him when things go wrong. Much like the mullahs in Iran need the USA to blame whenever they fuck something up there.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 06 2019, @04:12PM
Speaking of facial hair, what's with Ted Cruz? Is he trying to look less evil?
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Saturday April 06 2019, @06:09PM (23 children)
Please put names to this "Christian Taliban".
(Score: 4, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday April 06 2019, @06:26PM (22 children)
Gladly. Mike Pence, Mike Pompeo, Betsy DeVos (though she's a rare female example), all the way down to that jackoff Hagedorn running for WI supreme court.
You can't swing your fist without smacking a Dominionist. And it would take you 30 seconds of Googling to find these names and more. You are arguing in bad faith, and you know it.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Saturday April 06 2019, @06:51PM (21 children)
So, uhhhh - which of them would push a school girl back INTO a burning school, just because she wasn't wearing enough curtains?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1874471.stm [bbc.co.uk]
Odd, that story isn't about the Taliban - apparently it has happened more than once . . . maybe I confused a Saudi story with Afghanistan. Still,
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3221073/Hundreds-Afghan-girls-poisoned-toxic-gas-two-schools-suspected-attacks-Taliban-militants-opposed-education.html [dailymail.co.uk]
https://www.newsdeeply.com/womenandgirls/articles/2017/11/22/after-taliban-school-attacks-pakistani-girls-learn-in-the-open-air [newsdeeply.com]
Bad faith? Yes, someone is arguing in bad faith here. Of the ~350 million people in the US, I imagine that there are probably a couple hundred thousand who can be equated to the Taliban. And, many of those are recent immigrants to the US.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 06 2019, @09:41PM
"So, uhhhh - which of them would push a school girl back INTO a burning school, just because she wasn't wearing enough curtains?"
Frankly, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if Pence were to do such a thing. Just sayin'.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday April 07 2019, @12:16AM (19 children)
Do you just not hear it when Pompeo starts spouting Rapture-readiness or something? He's trying to begin the battle of Armageddon.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Sunday April 07 2019, @03:26AM (18 children)
And?
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday April 07 2019, @04:11AM (17 children)
"And?" Seriously? It doesn't alarm you that one of the highest cabinet members of the most powerful country on the planet is literally trying to end the world? No, I suppose it wouldn't, since he's "on your team." You blinkered, tribal fucking moron.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Sunday April 07 2019, @04:32AM (16 children)
Half of the world's population believes in a final battle to end all battles. You don't want them to be represented? Only your team should be represented? Got it. O'Crazio Cortez doesn't scare you? How about Beatoff O'Cork?
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday April 07 2019, @10:03PM (2 children)
...Jesus titty-fucking Christ, are you serious?! I'm supposed to be okay with these people wanting the end of the world because half the human race is deluded? Do you understand that an idea does not go from a bad one to a good one just because a lot of people agree with it? That wasn't even rhetorical, Runaway; I am now firmly convinced there is something mentally wrong with you. No one sane would even think to try that as a gambit.
And hell no AOC and BoR don't scare me anywhere near as much as that lot does. I disagree with them on some things, but if it came down to them versus literally any Republican, ever, at all, that we have in the current field, they would have my vote, and that's on policy, not on tribal politics.
Tribal politics. That's ALL you have, and boy does it show. You would destroy the world, literally destroy it, for your tribe. People like you are why we are in this mess.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Monday April 08 2019, @01:45PM (1 child)
You do know what a self fulfilling prophecy is, right?
Oh, don't blame my tribe, so blindly. You're a member of the tribe that wants to destroy my tribe. What did I tell you about hatred? Obviously, it didn't soak in. You can't start destroying, and then magically turn it off when you think that it's enough.
If/when you've destroyed my tribe, you had best suck up real good to O'Crazio and O'Cork and their tribe. Because they'll be looking for you and any other potential dissenters.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday April 09 2019, @01:07AM
You're beyond dialoguing with any longer, sunk permanently in your own delusions. You're screaming at some kind of phantom image of me that stands eight feet tall and has snake-pupil eyes and two rows of blood-dripping fangs, or some other similar such nightmare. How am I supposed to talk to you if you've decided I'm a monster?
I've already said I don't hate you, but rather pity you, and that pity only gets stronger the more I see posts like this from you. But because I also know how your kind of personality works, I understand that nothing will change you until you hit rock bottom. You have to suffer in specific ways that are directly relevant to your political positions before those positions will change. And I hope you do. Not for its own sake, but so you can start rebuilding your humanity.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Interesting) by DutchUncle on Monday April 08 2019, @01:54PM (12 children)
If "represented" means "STARTING the final battle to make sure that they get to be raptured by it, while everyone else gets to die horribly", then no, thanks, I'd prefer that they not be represented. Occasio-Cortez doesn't scare me any more than any other overly-idealistic young person who will moderate as the learn to negotiate the practicalities of what can be done in the real world. If you want some REAL radical liberal thinking, go read the Gospels, which are 90% ignored.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Monday April 08 2019, @02:27PM (11 children)
That's kinda funny. I'd rather Moslems weren't represented in Washington, so they can push their Sharia law on all the rest of us. But - no one cares what I'd rather. Everyone gets a vote, including Moslems, including the sons and daughters of illegal aliens (once they reach age 18), including liberals, including conservatives, and oh yeah, including Christians.
I will also point out that Christians aren't the only bunch who believes in Armageddon, or Megido, or Ragnarok, or The Final Battle. In fact, Christians make up considerably less than half of the group.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday April 09 2019, @01:11AM (10 children)
You can always leave the country. Maybe hop the border into Canada? What will they call you then, a snow-back? Will you steal a job from a good honest Canadian worker?
Only half-joking. If you hate this place so bad, go somewhere else that aligns more with your values. Maybe Ukraine?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday April 09 2019, @01:33AM (9 children)
It's you who is filled with hate. Yeah, I read your other post. "I already said I don't hate you" blah blah blah. Uh-huh, you can say whatever, but you're the person who wants to stab a number of people in the gonads, among other things.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday April 09 2019, @01:59AM (8 children)
So? Everyone gets angry sometimes. Point still stands: you've disappeared into a mental Hell of your own making. You see monsters where there are none, and you don't see them where they are plainly staring you in the face. I keep saying that "Hell is other people" is wrong, 100% wrong, and this is one small earthly manifestation of why.
Keep being tormented by eight-foot venomous snake-faced me if you want to. That's your prerogative.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday April 09 2019, @02:19AM (7 children)
Point still stands. I've never thrown a tantrum, and described methods of mutilating your genitals - nor has any other member of Soylent done so. You are in a class all your own, young lady. You are filled with hate, and you fantasize about mutilating the genitals of your opponents, so they can roast in hell for significant parts of eternity, or some such.
That moral high ground that you pretend to stand on happens to be located inside of a cesspool. You need to do some serious self examination.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday April 09 2019, @05:09AM (6 children)
If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. That's not hate; that's pity. You need to suffer to learn, and suffer you will, here or hereafter. I wish it weren't so, but it is so.
Know what hate is? Your cool, calm, collected willingness to sacrifice, what was it, "5 million conservatives" to kill "20 million liberals?" Know what hate is? Your damn near direct quote of the various white supremacist mantras about making sure your kids aren't "turned into slaves" in order to "make brown and black people happy."
You miss something very important: hate isn't "hot" most of that time. That is, anger, wrath, and vengeance run "hot;" hate, real hate, runs as cold as the black void of interstellar space, and as indifferent. Your...strategic calculus, shall we say, concerning your Civil War 2.0 masturbation fantasies is a perfect example.
Do I need to copypasta that unhinged rant of yours AGAIN? Seems like I do. Here it be:
THERE'S your fuckin' hate, Runaway, you God-damned hypocrite. I will never, ever, let you live this down.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday April 09 2019, @01:32PM (5 children)
Grow The Fuck Up.
You don't get to spout your hatred in one thread, then somehow, magically explain it away in another. If you want to play nonsensical school girl games, maybe you should join a school girl's forum. Play your games over there, and when you come back over here, act like an adult.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday April 09 2019, @01:51PM (4 children)
Look at you getting all triggered! Sorry, but you let that shit out in a moment of either weakness, greater-than-usual stupidity, or massive arrogance, and I'm never going to let you forget it. Any time you think you're gonna try and fool people into believing you're even halfway human any longer, I'm going to trot that fucker out at full length and let people judge for themselves.
If you can't handle it here, if you can't handle me, then run away crying like the little boy you still are at the age of 62. How does it feel to lose to a "school girl?"
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday April 09 2019, @02:02PM (3 children)
And, every time you bring it up, you prove again that you are incapable of understanding any of it. Does that come from only being 92nd percentile? FFS, I'd rather be talking to a 60th percentile, because I wouldn't EXPECT him/her to understand jack shit.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday April 09 2019, @06:50PM (2 children)
I dunno, Runaway, that shit's pretty clear on its own, and doubly so to anyone keeping up with your post history. I'd say I understand it plenty well, and you've been backed so far into a corner that you're gonna try and brazen your way out of it by pretending you didn't actually say or mean it.
Really, it's amazing how much you resemble the classic RWA/narcissist caught in his own trap. You have the exact same observed pattern: "I didn't say that. And if I did, you didn't understand it. And if you understood it, you're wrong for not agreeing with it. And if you're not wrong for disagreeing, you're just wrong because fuck you."
Keep it up, Runaway. Keep posting. Keep exposing yourself in public. I will chase your fat retarded inbred ass around like Tisiphone herself with a whip made out of history.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday April 10 2019, @01:25AM (1 child)
Jesus H. Christ - nowhere have I ever denied any part of my post. Exposing myself, right.
What's being exposed here is you obsession over me.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday April 10 2019, @02:04AM
You keep doubling down on your horrifying nihilistic stupidity. I tell you over and over again that you damage yourself this way more than anything I could say or do to you short of actually introducing you to my pet prybar at high velocity.
And. You. Keep. Doing. It. A normal human being with a functioning conscience and at least a sliver of a soul might try and mitigate some of the damage done by that huge wall of text. You? You stand proudly behind it. You glory in it, like a two year old who thinks his overfull diaper is some sort of personal achievement.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 06 2019, @04:23PM (6 children)
That's mostly because you're a far right extremist. CNN is a rightwing channel, it's just not as extremely rightwing as Fox News is. If they were extreme left, then how do you explain the fact that they haven't been strongly supportive of Bernie or the other progressive candidates? Instead, they've chosen to back rightwing Democrats and Republicans wherever possible.
(Score: 2, Disagree) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday April 07 2019, @06:55AM (5 children)
You should get out more. Meet more people. To most of them you are a radical extreme leftist.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday April 07 2019, @10:08PM (4 children)
Maybe in the tiny 2000-person corner of Inbredredneckistan, TN you hail from....talk about provincial. And the pot calling the kettle black.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday April 09 2019, @07:19AM (3 children)
I hail from everywhere north and east of Texas. I'd lived in more states than you've driven through by the time I was ten years old. I've spit tobacco with rednecks, gone in drag to the RHPS in NYC, lived with gangbangers in Chicago, built fence with cowboys, and currently fish as often as possible with a couple old black preachers. I can get along with people from any background or station. You? You hate nearly everyone.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday April 09 2019, @02:00PM (2 children)
Oh, Uzzard...there's that word "hate" again. No, I'm neutral to just about everyone. There are perhaps 3 or 4 people I actually hate. If I actually hated large groups of people, I'd be doing something like...oh, I dunno, like what Runaway does, masturbating over the idea of killing 5 million of "my guys" to make sure 20 million of "those guys" die, or basing my entire political stance on the idea of "not letting my kids be third-class citizens to make brown and black people happy,"
THAT is hate. What you see from me is various shades of pique, annoyance, or personal beef. Learn the difference, you triggered, fragile fucking snowflake.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday April 09 2019, @03:49PM (1 child)
Two words: Trump voters.
Or how about the currently 53% of the nation who think he's doing at least a decent job in office.
Yeah, you really do hate a very large portion of the nation.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday April 09 2019, @06:40PM
Disagreeing with someone, even loudly and insultingly, is not hate, Uzzard. Why are your kind such fragile melting little snowflakes? Can't handle a little disagreement? Fuck off the internet and gb2/FoxNews then.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...