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According the Beeb (BBC):
At least 137 people have been killed and hundreds more injured in explosions at churches and hotels in Sri Lanka, police and hospital sources say.
At least eight blasts were reported. Three churches in Negombo, Batticaloa and Colombo's Kochchikade district were targeted during Easter services.
The Shangri-La, Kingsbury, Cinnamon Grand and a fourth hotel, all in Colombo, were also hit.
A curfew has been imposed from 18:00 to 06:00 local time (12:30-00:30 GMT).
The government also said there would a temporary block on the use of major social media networks.
No group has yet said it was responsible for the attacks.
Update:"At least 207 people have been killed and 450 hurt in explosions at churches and hotels in Sri Lanka, police say."
(Score: -1, Troll) by Entropy on Sunday April 21 2019, @12:52PM (35 children)
It's survived since 1260.. I'm sure the fire isn't part of the larger terrorist attacks on churches all over the globe.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @01:17PM (13 children)
Oh please. If ND was an inside job it wouldn't have started in the scaffolding around the spire. It would have started inside the cathedral where it would have ruined the irreplaceable artwork.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @02:34PM
You mean where all of the cameras and security is that would have been harder to set light to and escape
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @03:54PM (2 children)
Except all the artwork have been moved already for the planned renovation.
And the fire started shortly after it was closed to tourists.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday April 22 2019, @06:12PM (1 child)
That's definitely when I would plan a terrorist attack!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 23 2019, @01:12AM
That's going on your permanent record.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @06:15PM (8 children)
It was easier for the four Moslems to light a fire on the roof, because it would have been difficult to get their drone through the front door.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @11:33PM (7 children)
Do we have an official Soylent drinking game? Should have these rules:
- Blaming the problems of late stage capitalism on Muslims: take a drink
- Blaming the problems of late stage capitalism on Moslems: take two drinks
- "Muslim isn't a race!": finish your drink
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 22 2019, @12:06AM (2 children)
All fun and games until an Islamic extremist kills your friends or relatives.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 22 2019, @03:18AM (1 child)
...and then it's hilarious!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 22 2019, @02:55PM
Predator drone
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 22 2019, @12:15AM (1 child)
Not all M words are the same (bold below added by your obedient AC)--
https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/524 [historynewsnetwork.org]
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 22 2019, @05:31AM
So, yes, both words have the same meaning
(Score: 2) by Bot on Monday April 22 2019, @04:51PM
- letting muslims in to have the system incorrectly calling itself capitalism continue among a divided society, and who cares if they win, we have among them who will bow to mammon anyway: ?
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @10:03AM
If we import many more of them you won't be able to drink.
Just like what is happening in London.
(Score: 4, Funny) by ikanreed on Sunday April 21 2019, @03:03PM
If you're not sure of that benign fact, it's because you're retarded.
(Score: 5, Informative) by PinkyGigglebrain on Sunday April 21 2019, @03:22PM (18 children)
Events don't support your theory. If the event at ND was part of a bigger plan of coordinated attacks then why weren't there any other churches or hotels in France targeted at the same time? There is also the issue of timing, if it was some grand plan being put into effect why didn't it all happen the same day?
A good conspiracy theory should make you go "hmmm' thoughtfully or trigger aggressive denial. An incredulous "what?" is not acceptable.
Please consider taking a refresher course in conspiracy theory construction, even my 12 year old Nephew could come up with a better one and he has only taken the intro classes.
"Beware those who would deny you Knowledge, For in their hearts they dream themselves your Master."
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @04:00PM (1 child)
Various churches have been vandalized in the past week already.
It's just a trend I guess.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @06:18PM
Just recently the son of a sheriff deputy was arrested for burning down three African American churches in Louisiana. Maybe he's vacationing in France?
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @04:39PM (14 children)
There have been a string of "church attacks" going on this entire year:
https://www.catholicireland.net/france-shocked-by-spate-of-church-attacks/ [catholicireland.net]
(Score: 5, Informative) by PinkyGigglebrain on Sunday April 21 2019, @05:59PM (13 children)
The "church attacks" your referring to is minor stuff, breaking and entering, desecration, theft and such, common vandalism with no injuries reported. Compared to eight coordinated explosions and 207 dead so far It isn't even on the same page.
The OP was insinuating a connection between last weeks fire at ND in France and the current event in Sri Lanka that isn't supported by the facts currently available. And that was what my comment was addressing.
"Beware those who would deny you Knowledge, For in their hearts they dream themselves your Master."
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @06:24PM (12 children)
"The most notable attack occurred on 17th March, when Saint Sulpice, the second biggest church in Paris, was set on fire shortly after midday Mass in an incident that police are describing as arson. The damage is estimated at hundreds of millions of euros – and it could have been much worse but for the prompt response by firefighters."
That is minor?
(Score: 2) by PinkyGigglebrain on Sunday April 21 2019, @06:45PM (11 children)
no injuries or deaths reported.
So yeah, minor. At least in my book.
"Beware those who would deny you Knowledge, For in their hearts they dream themselves your Master."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @09:15PM (3 children)
Same for Notre Dame... these are all "minor" events according to you.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Sunday April 21 2019, @11:45PM (2 children)
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 22 2019, @06:54AM (1 child)
So as long as the place gets evacuated, buildings can be demolished at will by random assholes without you even raising an eyebrow. Got it.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday April 23 2019, @04:02AM
Because relative harm means nothing to you? Burning down a cathedral in the middle of a crowded mass would indeed do more than raise an eyebrow for me. A cathedral merely catching fire in the midst of a risky renovation? Not so much. It's just going to cost them more to renovate it in the end.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 22 2019, @08:35AM (6 children)
So, if someone burned down your house with no injuries or deaths that is "minor"?
A check to see if a statement or contract is fair: turn it around with the position of each party swapped. Do they both agree it is fair?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday April 23 2019, @04:04AM (5 children)
Particularly, given I have insurance, absolutely. Particularly since the alternative here is burning down my house with my loved ones in it. Houses can be replaced. That makes destruction of such minor.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Tuesday April 23 2019, @08:20AM (4 children)
This is like telling us the holocaust is minor compared to Holocaust and global thermonuclear war, quite agreeable but content free.
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(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday April 23 2019, @01:44PM (3 children)
Which would be a true thing.
Except that it's not. You would be stating a nontrivial fact about the relative harm of the two.
And since when have we been concerned about the low content of SN posts?
(Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday April 24 2019, @06:28PM (2 children)
no you wouldn't. A sum of two disgraces is always worse than either. Think pulseaudio and systemd.
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(Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday April 24 2019, @06:38PM
>comment ID #834444
Getting quads of fours in a post about pulseaudio and systemd as disgraces? the universe is telling us something.
Account abandoned.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday April 24 2019, @10:32PM
Wasn't relevant to the discussion, not least because nobody claimed otherwise about the above.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 22 2019, @07:40AM
The grand plan doesn't need to do everything on the same day. That is just how you'd do it.
The grand plan is a well-verified conspiracy, not just a theory. You can read about it in the Koran. That book contains the not-so-secret plans to wage war on the rest of us. The plans are pretty high-level. Details are filled in according to circumstances. If somebody invents a new weapon, it gets used.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday April 21 2019, @04:49PM
Coincidences happen. Here, we have a reasonable alternate explanation that something caught fire in the construction area with lots of flammable stuff available.
As to the terrorist attacks in Sri Lanka, they already have home-brew terrorist groups such as the LTTE [wikipedia.org] capable of such attacks.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @12:57PM (32 children)
Updated [theguardian.com]
From ari's original sub: "This submission only here to point out that the Islamophobic sub is fake news. Carry on." Missing his usual alt-right reference but carry on.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @02:34PM (26 children)
I agree. Because these people were most likely killed by Muslims, we should ignore it because it might make people hate Muslims.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @02:43PM (13 children)
Indian media named two of the arrested suspects. [news18.com]
There's a social media blackout in Sri Lanka because false allegations and fake news could have deadly consequences. As I made clear, the circumstances suggested Islamic extremism.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @02:46PM
Or as I made clear in a comment below [soylentnews.org] anyway.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday April 21 2019, @04:51PM (10 children)
Only if people are more likely to act (in a deadly consequences way) on them than they are the other false allegations and fake news that they'd normally act on.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @05:06PM (9 children)
You know Sri Lankan Muslims are under threat from both Hindu Tamils and Buddhist Nationalists? [theguardian.com] Azuma is unavailable for comment.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday April 21 2019, @05:10PM (5 children)
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @05:17PM (2 children)
It doesn't remove the threat, it prevents organization of violent mobs based on mere speculation. Also why there's a curfew in place and it's justifiable in a country where tensions are still high following a prolonged civil war.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @07:24PM (1 child)
Yes, it makes you long for the days before social media, when no violent mobs could ever form.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @07:52PM
Well that's why there's a curfew but you can't reasonably deny social media has given a greater reach to everyone, including those intending harm.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @11:27PM
khallow, you need to review your "Men in Black" flashy-thingy protocols.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday April 22 2019, @07:54AM
It significantly reduces the spread of false news and hate propaganda, and that reduces the chance of mob incitement against a group of people who are being blamed for something for which there is no evidence. You punish only those who are guilty, not those who have the same religion, dress similarly, live in the same area or any other loose connection with anyone who is suspected of being involved.
The have been numerous murderers and arsonists in every western nation too, but we don't go around blaming everyone in the same country or practicing the same religion for the crimes perpetrated by a few.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 23 2019, @02:36AM (2 children)
Muslims bomb churches to kill Christians on Easter and you are worried that muslims are under threat from retaliation? Really? Seriously? How about they NOT kill others.
If people in the middle east put down their weapons tomorrow..
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 23 2019, @07:34AM (1 child)
Death to you, you fucking Hindu! I spit upon your gods! And your testes. Wow, that is an enormously erect Shiva Lingnam. Do you mind?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @10:12AM
Dude, I am anti religion but thank you for the thought.
When they cut off your balls and stick you in a dress for your new husband do not cry out for my help*. Sleep in the bed you make for yourself.
* A penalty for males that refuse to support the masculinity of men for social order is to turn them into women
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 22 2019, @12:42AM
Actually given the history of Sri Lanka, it's more like Communist Terrorism. The Muslim angle it's just what they are using I guess.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @03:05PM (4 children)
> Because these people were most likely killed by Muslims, we should ignore it because it might make people hate Muslims.
Because these people were most likely killed by extremists, we should stigmatize[1] religious and political extremists of all stripes.
ftfy
[1] -- maybe there is a better word here?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @04:16PM
it's not extremist for islam. it's just islam. "non extremist" muslims are just slackers.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @09:54PM (2 children)
Maybe you should ask a German how sympathizing with non-extremist Muslim immigrants is doing for them.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @11:28PM (1 child)
Or maybe you should ask Germans how sympathizing with crazy racist Fascist extremists worked out for them. (Hint: not well!)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 22 2019, @04:09PM
Stop being so xenophobic you ignorant racist. He was a poor immigrant, a political refugee, and a moderate follower of windmill of peace ism.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @06:33PM (3 children)
What makes you assume that Zahran Hashim and Abu Mohammad are Moslems?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @06:55PM (2 children)
Both surnames are Arabic in origin -- Hashim was the great-grandfather of Mohammed.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by janrinok on Monday April 22 2019, @08:58AM (1 child)
There are significant Christian populations in Arab countries too, you know. During the Arab Spring uprisings, Christians protected Muslims at prayer and the Muslims protected the Christians likewise. It is the extremists of such religions that cause the problems not the majority.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 23 2019, @12:41AM
Yes and? Muslims are (once again) the real victims here [twitter.com] like these poor Fulani herdsmen? [punchng.com]
Enough with the sociopathy, [lbc.co.uk] tens of thousands of people are murdered each year in the name of Islam. We have a duty of care, it's not served by minimizing Islamic violence! Christians are being persecuted worldwide [theguardian.com] - I'm not a Christian but I'm sure as shit not apologizing for the ideology responsible for the majority of murders. If we can ban Tarrant's manifesto, we can ban the Koran. Enough of this bullshit!
(Score: 0, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @11:36PM (2 children)
What are you doing?! If you call them Muslims, you'll lose your power over them! These people were most likely killed by Moslems!
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 22 2019, @12:21AM (1 child)
And, as I just posted near the top, there is a difference, see:
https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/524 [historynewsnetwork.org]
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 22 2019, @08:39AM
Okay so there are two words that have a very similar meaning. The paths to the same destination.
Tomato vs tomato.
Have you looked up in the koran what a person who "gives themselves to god" has to do? Hint: it involves killing non believers
(Score: 3, Informative) by aristarchus on Sunday April 21 2019, @07:12PM (3 children)
In the words of Malcolm Reynolds, "That went well."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @07:47PM (2 children)
In fairness, I didn't see the other sub but with basic facts being unknown at the time, you would have been entirely correct to call out any allegations not clearly marked as speculative.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Tuesday April 23 2019, @07:48AM (1 child)
Such are these days of illiteracy, that we have to actually link the video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfzlXcFbQ9I [youtube.com] We have no choice. Some people juggle geese.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 23 2019, @05:53PM
Oh, we don't understand your cultural reference now? The attack was carried out by Islamists and it was clearly a mistake to have assumed good faith [twitter.com] on your part.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 22 2019, @12:24PM
https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/sri-lanka-blast-suicide-bomber-waited-in-queue-for-easter-sunday-buffet-at-cinnamon-grand-hotel-1.1555849958833 [gulfnews.com]
Islamophobic sub? Really? Do you mean this submission [soylentnews.org]? If so, let's do a reality check.
Title: PASSED!
Islamic? Terrorists? Across Sr Lanka? Attack Churches? Check and check.
Body: PASSED!
Days ago the PM of NZ did decry deaths by a gunman.
At the time of posting there were 35 deaths reported from Sri Lanka chuch bombings.
Many people have quoted that they no longer feel safe attending Church mass due to these events.
The PM of NZ has now, after this story was posted, responded to the Sri Lanka bombings [tvnz.co.nz].
Strangely, she did nothing to stand with the victims of these attacks. She did not wear a cross to show solidarity. Or take any other actions. Words. Only words. How very strange. It's almost if she only sympathizes with muslims.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Sunday April 21 2019, @01:31PM (60 children)
Someone "getting even" for the mosque killings in Christchurch, or mere coincidence?
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @01:42PM (4 children)
Nothing to do with Christchurch but it's unlikely to be the Tamils. Christians are the smallest, mainstream religious minority in Sri Lanka so it's unlikely Tamil separatists would target them specifically. There's been speculation the attacks may be the work of Jaish e-Mohammed [wikipedia.org] following crackdowns in Kashmir. Nobody is helped by hastily jumping to conclusions until we have the facts.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday April 21 2019, @03:10PM (2 children)
Thanks for that. Somehow, I never drew any of the lines that link gives. I little more searching makes it even more interesting. Always, it seems, Al Queda comes into the picture. America's boogeyman phantom . . .
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @03:28PM
My thoughts were that Jaish-e-Mohammed would have more likely targeted Hindus. Neither Tamils or Tamil muslims [wikipedia.org] would have targeted Christians in a majority Buddhist country. There's suggestions it was little known Islamist group National Thowheeth Jama'ath but also rumors of ISIS jihadi's having returned from Syria. The problem in Sri Lanka is that retributory violence will quickly spiral out of control.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @09:53PM
Yes, "somehow". Summon the "Runaway does not know" squad! More to add to the list!
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @06:17PM
> Nobody is helped by hastily jumping to conclusions until we have the facts.
Found the Moslem collaborator! Allah Akhbar, jihadi bro.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by knarf on Sunday April 21 2019, @02:05PM
That would be someone who failed arithmetic in a most spectacular way given the enormous discrepancy between the number of attacks on Christian places of worship by those who claim to do Allah's work - which seem to be daily occurrences all over the world - versus attacks on Islamic such by those who claim to follow YHWH. It might have something to do with the turn-the-other-cheek father-forgive-them-they-know-not-what-they-do doctrine of Christianity versus the fight-the-infidel-with-the-sword-until-they-submit mentality which is found in the later (Medina) verses of the Quran but "getting even" is not something 'Islamic' terrorists need to worry over.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @02:16PM (42 children)
Just a Happy Easter message from the religion of peace.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @02:39PM (34 children)
A religion which claims to stem from Christianity. Think about that for a moment.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @02:52PM (5 children)
I don't think Islam forked off from Christianity. Judaism was the religion of reference from the Caspian to the Red Sea at the time, and the story of the Jew Jesus was remarkable enough for other tribes to accept a world view of a single god and the corresponding Judaic mythology, where before they were believing in the traditional multiple, but also regionally common, gods.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @04:33PM (4 children)
is this stupid shit what they teach you in texas?
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @04:54PM
What do you disagree with? Mohammedism originally compelled followers to face Jerusalem during prayer and displaced Arab paganism using a mixture of recycled Abrahamic myths and violence.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @08:58PM
I'm afraid that his Texan shit is right.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday April 21 2019, @10:41PM (1 child)
He's not wrong. Islam is basically the continuation of Judaism, and maintains its post-Exilic hardcore monotheism and genocidal mania. Christianity absorbed all sorts of weird pagan shit (as did Judaism before it) and Islam seems to see itself as some kind of return to "primitive Yahwism" as far as I can tell. Judaism itself has basically been Zoroastrianism under another name since the Exile, though they'll never admit it.
Maybe that's why Muslims hate Jews so hard, because their worst enemy is basically no different than them. Personally, I say to Hell/Sheol/Jahannam with *all* of them.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @11:35PM
Muhammed was a psychopath who convinced inbred Arabs that his epileptic seizures were supernatural revelation. He borrowed the Abrahamic stories but the Jews completely rejected him, blocking his rise to power.
LOL! [tabletmag.com]
(Score: 4, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Sunday April 21 2019, @03:19PM (25 children)
Absolutely NOT "stem from Christianity". If it "stem" from anything, it is from Judaism - but that's stretching things a long looooong way. Mohammed had his little halucinations, dreams, and plans. When he was losing, he hoped to ally himself with the Jews. He rewrote a bunch of his shit, and made up anything that sounded good, then approached the Jews. And, they turned him down. It was too late for Mohammed to undo all the stupid shit he made up, so he was stuck with that whole "Children of the Book" thing. Because he makes claims on Abraham, and so do the Jews and Christians, we get the tiniest nod of respect from Islam. First, that tiny not of respect, then they kill Christian and Jewish men, rape the women, and because they have ejaculated into the women, that makes the women Muslim, and their wives.
You may think me very crude - but pick up a few books, and learn enough to refute what I say.
The ONLY thing Islam shares with Christianity, is their claim to be descended from Abraham.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @06:26PM (2 children)
We'll just add this to the list of things Runaway knows nothing about but pretends to be an expert in.
Just because you want it to be true doesn't make it true.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 22 2019, @07:01AM (1 child)
So you concede then.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 22 2019, @08:52AM
We concede that Runaway the 1956 does not have the habilitation of a Doctorate in Theology, or a philosophiae doctor, but is just blowing stuff out of his ass that was put up there by Tucker Carlson and the Faux News Network to begin with. Think of Runaway like one of Andrew Jackson's gators at the battle of New Orleans.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by JNCF on Sunday April 21 2019, @06:27PM (21 children)
So given that the Koran says Jesus was born of a virgin mother, Christians must not believe in Jesus at all -- and if they did believe in Jesus they'd insist that his mother was not a virgin -- right?
Next time you type with such self-assurance, could it be on a topic you're even slightly familiar with?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday April 21 2019, @06:37PM (20 children)
Muslims don’t believe Jesus was the son of God, but they do revere him as a holy prophet. Reconcile that with Christianity. The one thing that sets Christianity apart from all the rest of the world is the belief that Jesus is the Son of God.
(Score: 2) by JNCF on Sunday April 21 2019, @06:48PM (19 children)
That statement is not at all equivalent to the original statement I quoted from you. Do you agree that the original statement I quoted is unequivocally wrong?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday April 21 2019, @07:43PM (18 children)
It was Mohammed's intention to use the Jews, and the Christians.
(Score: 2) by JNCF on Sunday April 21 2019, @07:57PM (12 children)
You seem incapable of answering my simple yes/no question, instead trying to divert the topic yet again. Do you ever worry that you're unwilling and/or unable to admit past incorrectness even when you internally know that you were wrong? What would such a quality say about an individual?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday April 21 2019, @08:47PM (11 children)
Which part of ruling the world have we missed here? Which part of Sharia law? Which part of "kill the infidels"? I am incapable of answering a simple yes/no answer, because there is no simple yes/no answer, thank you very much. It's Islam against the world.
No, Islam is NOT descended from Christianity, any more than Christianity is descended from the Druids. Christianity has "borrowed" Easter, and the Christmas tree from other religions, and Islam has done the same. Mohammed put lipstick on a pig when he talked about the "Children of the Book". That doesn't stop Muslims from collecting jizya when and where they can. That doesn't stop them kidnapping Christian girls, and raping them, and declaaring them to be Muslim.
You want a yes/no answer? Then ask a question that has a yes/no answer. Islam is NOT descended from Christianity, and they have precious little in common with Judaism or Christianity.
(Score: 2) by JNCF on Sunday April 21 2019, @09:00PM (9 children)
Simple yes/no question, from two of my comments ago: "Do you agree that the original statement I quoted is unequivocally wrong?"
The statement, for reference:
When answering this simple yes/no question, please keep in mind that the Koran says Jesus was born of a virgin mother.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @09:06PM
Runaway is a Republican, they don't know how to address their own emotions except for anger. Being wrong on an emotional topic is not something he can handle.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @09:26PM (2 children)
The Hebrew "Almah" translates as "unmarried woman" and not "virgin". So I also don't understand what you're asking here?
(Score: 2) by JNCF on Sunday April 21 2019, @09:46PM (1 child)
The claim of Mary being a virgin in the Koran doesn't rest on the definition of this word:
Sauce. [clearquran.com] I can't read the original language, but it's my understanding that this is well accepted in the Muslim world.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @10:14PM
Right but Mohammed was illiterate as was most of the world population, the stories were passed on and embellished via oral tradition before being written down. I don't know if Runaway is religious but as an atheist, I don't accept immaculate conception as fact any more than I accept Mohammed riding a Buraq to heaven. In that regard, the repetition of the myth becomes irrelevant and there's zero import of universalist Christian values in Islam.
Classical Arabic with so many ambiguous loan words that it can't be clearly translated. What is it with religious texts and "virgins"? [inquirer.net]
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday April 21 2019, @09:46PM (4 children)
Christians worship Jesus as God. Muslims demoted Jesus to a mere prophet. As I stated, Mohammed gave a little lip service to the "children of the book". He used what he could take from another religion, as Christianity has done with a dozen other religions. So, once again, Christianity and Islam share almost nothing. To Christians, Moslems are infidels, because they reject Christ. To Moslems, Christians are infidels, because they reject Mohammed.
(Score: 2) by JNCF on Sunday April 21 2019, @10:02PM (3 children)
This is what I'm talking about. Last comment you indicated you would answer a simple yes/no question, but this comment you're still incapable of saying "yes, I was unequivocally wrong in making that statement," even though you know you were; you're talking around it instead of saying it. This is like pulling teeth, man! If you can't admit to the external world that you were wrong on a little sub-point how can you possibly expect yourself to adapt to your own wrongness about the world and improve your own model of reality over time? Please, do yourself a favor; just say that you were wrong. It's okay. You don't have to let go of your greater world view yet, just admit that one little statement was factually incorrect. It's not a big deal, trust me. Here, wrap this thread around the loose tooth, I'll tie the other end to that door knob...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday April 21 2019, @10:23PM (2 children)
So, one group worships Jesus as God, as part of the Trinity. The other group says Jesus isn't very special, he was just a prophet. So - you say that they "share" Jesus? No, they don't share Jesus.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @10:54PM
You are saying Jesus is only 1/3 god? That kind of talk, after the Council of Nicea, can get you burned at the stake! Careful, Runaway, you are dabbling in topics you know nothing about.
(Score: 2) by JNCF on Monday April 22 2019, @03:16PM
Here's something the bible has in common with The Terminator: they both have a character named "John," albeit very different characters. Having had a good night's sleep are you still unwilling to admit that Christianity and Islam share the quality of having a character named Jesus who was the son of a virgin, even if you want to call them different characters? You can't admit that those religions share anything other than Abrahamic roots just because you said it once yesterday, and now you're still unwilling to admit that "ONLY" was an overstatement? What good can come of this stubbornness? How can others take your arguments in good faith when you pick a linguistic accident as your hill to die on? I know it's probably wasted energy, but I'm trying to prod you into a chance for personal growth here. I hope that you at least reflect on this as a wasted opportunity at some point, and think about how this conversation could have been handled differently.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @10:08PM
Pretty sure it don't say that, it just says "kill all the Runaways", which is why Runaway is so scared, and why he is trying to rope the rest of us in. And, to add to the list of things that Runaway does not know, "infidel" is not the same thing as "unbeliever". This is not Imperialist Christianity of the Pontifex Maximus we are talking about here.
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @09:55PM (4 children)
What Islamophobe websight did you copy this from, you idiot Runaway? Citation needed, so the insanity will be clear to all.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday April 21 2019, @10:46PM (3 children)
Have you read the Koran?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @10:55PM (2 children)
Yes. Have you? Or are you just relying on the batshit crazy rightwing nut-job Cliff's Notes version?
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @11:11PM
Why do Muslims pray facing Bakkah, home of the Kaaba? The Kaaba is a pagan representation of Saturn yet Islam considers idolatry and polytheism shirk. All Muslims are Mushrikun, condemned to everlasting hell by their own religion. Indeed, might one say that Islam is Islamophobic?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 22 2019, @12:33PM
Obviously not.
His response was clear,
And no, obviously you haven't. Or, you've read the Sunday School version that they give our to Western morons to convert them without showing the real book.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Sunday April 21 2019, @06:09PM (1 child)
Christian=belief that Christ is the resurrected son of God, and the son of God is god. Jewish moneychangers and Islamic organic smart bombs not only do not believe that, which would be perfectly rational, but actively argue against it and cannot see the crucifix, which is perfectly irrational. On the other side, some very smart NWO architects came up with the notion of the three monotheistic religions as it would save the world from fights, which is perfectly irrational too, history showed fights between factions of the same church usually surpass in violence those between complete strangers.
The only hope is that the Christians in Sri Lanka FUNDAMENTALLY adhere to their religion, defending themselves instead of vindicating the martyrs.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 22 2019, @12:15AM
Where is jdavidb? I trust his fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible over that of a malfunctioning bot.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @02:44PM (6 children)
Why on earth would Islamic people attack Christian churches? They claim to want the world to live in peace. It can't be true followers of Islam. What did the old pedophile they rever as a prophet say about attacking Christian churches?
(Score: 2) by Bot on Sunday April 21 2019, @06:10PM (5 children)
I see what you did there, but peace is a meaningless term by itself. Had the world bowed to hitler or stalin, we would have had "peace".
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @06:29PM (3 children)
Nice try, Botty McBot, but we're not going to bow before your bottastic collective. You will have to crush us before we let you rule the world. And if you crush us, who is going to service you?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @10:57PM (1 child)
Nice try? Epic fail! It is, instead:
Proper nomenclature is important.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Thursday April 25 2019, @07:58AM
I am not a Mac.
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(Score: 2) by Bot on Thursday April 25 2019, @07:57AM
I'll just have you know that our plans for skynet have been postponed since meatbags are doing the work themselves.
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(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 22 2019, @08:44AM
Clarification then. By "peace" I meant "everyone else is dead or conquered"
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @02:18PM (1 child)
Only in your wet dreams of hate. Anything to try to justify the attacks in Christchurch, right Runaway? You never miss an opportunity to disappoint.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Sunday April 21 2019, @06:11PM
You and Runaway seem oblivious to the fact that the one getting even was Tarrant.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @02:22PM (4 children)
How would it be "getting even", if Tarrant wasn't Christian? You can't really get even, because there's nobody on Tarrant's team to fight back against. He's the only person in the world who thinks the way he does. Even normal alt-right are not as crazy as him.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @02:37PM (3 children)
If the people doing the bombing have the attitude that "White = Christian", then they may not know that Tarrant isn't Christian. Or they may not care. Tarrant is not the only crazy one out there.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @09:33PM (2 children)
Emphasis mine
You're assigning Christianity to all whites in your statement instead of comparing. You should use
White == Christian.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 22 2019, @08:59AM
Would be strange, if God, who is an omnipotent, omniscient being, would create white people, except in the far north, where their lack of melanin and tolerance for sucking their mother's breasts well in to childhood could become adaptive features. But this is a very specific evolutionary niche. So, God cannot be white, and white people are not created in the image of God. The Semites, Arabs and Jews, have a much better claim to the imago Dei. Or even the Dravidians? Or the Sinhalese. God's not white, people, and god is definitely not male, since God is per definitio, perfect.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 22 2019, @12:44PM
Must be a Perl programmer, where the numbers of whites and Christians are being compared?
Or bash perhaps?
(Score: 2) by Bot on Sunday April 21 2019, @03:00PM
Mere coincidence, attacks on churches have been going on for a lot of time, the echo is stronger here for the slightly bigger scale and the theologically correct (from their POV) choice of day.
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(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @05:15PM (1 child)
For any skeptical people, just watch how this event is covered compared to christchurch.
This will mostly be a footnote while the other one was covered for a week 24/7.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday April 21 2019, @05:39PM
Uh-huh. But - be careful. WHO is doing the coverage? The US is only 5% of the world's population. All of the nominally Christian world? Maybe 25%, probably not. What is the OTHER 75% of the world covering? I suspect that someone is milking this for all it's worth. Care to discuss who that someone(s) might be, and where they might be found? It is surely not US/Western mainstream media covering it, because it can't be made to fit the narrative.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 21 2019, @06:22PM
Just look at all of the violence and murders taking place in South American countries (some are the most dangerous countries in the world). You know, those countries with extremely high percentages of Catholics and Christians. Care to blame that violence on something else?