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Female IEEE members say they face significant discrimination in the workplace, including demeaning comments, inappropriate job-interview questions, and exclusion from networking events and important business meetings.
Those were among the most common negative experiences reported by more than 4,500 members—associate member grade and above—from around the world who answered a survey IEEE conducted in 2017. The results were released last year.
Almost half of those surveyed worked in academia, and about 30 percent were from private industry. The rest worked for governmental or nonprofit institutions, or were graduate students or self-employed. The majority of respondents (65 percent) lived outside the United States.
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Troubled day for virgins over 16 who are beautiful and wealthy and live
in eucalyptus trees.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @12:56PM (23 children)
I do not believe there is any industry in which some guy won't be harassing a female that shows up and attempts to undermine his masculinity by doing the same or a better job than him.
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @02:07PM (16 children)
This is true. I believe that it is also the case that there is no industry in which some woman won't be harassing a guy that shows up and attempts to undermine her authority by doing the same or a better job than her.
It's a human thing, not a male or female thing.
(Score: 2) by JNCF on Friday May 10 2019, @03:01PM (15 children)
I think the first part of your comment is correct, but the second part isn't. Behavior like this can go both ways at some scale while still mostly going in one direction. Just from what I've seen in workplaces anecdotally I have a hard time believing that this behavior goes both ways in anywhere near equal measure.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @03:53PM (14 children)
The fact is, there are significantly more males in high technology fields than females.
So if we assume that "being an asshole" is a trait which is equally likely between males and females, the expected result will be that, in the technology sector, there will be significantly more male assholes than there will be female assholes.
This may cause things to look like there is a disproportionate amount of male assholes in the technology sector even if no such bias exists, just due to sheer differences in numbers.
Studies should probably also consider female-dominated fields, such as public education, and see what the proportion of assholes looks like there.
(Score: 2) by JNCF on Friday May 10 2019, @04:04PM (12 children)
First of all, I don't assume that "being an asshole" is equally likely among men and women -- men are statistically more disagreeable than women on average. Second, it's not just "being an asshole" that we're talking about, it's "being an asshole when somebody of the opposite gender does better than you at a task in the workplace." I don't know of good data concerning that, but I've anecdotally witnessed it so much -- sometimes with gender being explicitly mentioned by the offending party, as in (literal quote from a newly hired guy I worked with for one day when we both had a female boss) "I'm not taking orders from a woman" -- that I find it highly likely that this is behavior disproportionately exhibited by men.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @05:06PM (9 children)
I'm not necessarily saying I disagree with you, but I would like a citation for this. After all, if you are going to claim this is a statistical fact then you should have some statistical data to back it up.
(Score: 3, Informative) by JNCF on Friday May 10 2019, @05:28PM (8 children)
These sorts of requests are reasonable when a claim is difficult to search for, but this one isn't. Here's the second* Google result for "men are more disagreeable than women" (no quotes): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3149680/ [nih.gov]
Relevant section of linked article:
You can find full citations at the bottom of the article. This is a widely accepted claim in psychology.
*The first Google result is a pop-sci news article that also backs up my claim.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @05:42PM (7 children)
1. The burden of proof lies on the one making the claim.
2. When the reported claim is easy to find, then it is trivial to add it. When the reported claim is difficult to find, then it is required.
I'll grant that these can be thrown out if the questions are disengenous or if someone is just trying to control the debate by "just asking questions" repeatedly, but that was not my impression in this case.
(Score: 2) by JNCF on Friday May 10 2019, @05:50PM (5 children)
If I claim the sky is blue, you would be clever to look up before asking for a citation. If I claim that the sky is blue because of Rayleigh scattering, you would be clever to look it up before asking for a citation. You're already on the internet, learn to Google.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @06:13PM (4 children)
The claims "men are statistically more disagreeable than women on average" and "the sky is blue" are not even close to being on the same level. Someone asking for a citation for "the sky is blue" is making a joke or being disingenuous.
My mistake. I forgot that the internet is absolutely full of honest, objective people that only make factual claims that are not the product of motivated reasoning. I've certainly never run into anyone using a "motte and bailey" or any other forms of fallacious argument styles./sarcasm
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Motte_and_bailey [rationalwiki.org]
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Logical_fallacy#Argumentative [rationalwiki.org]
(Score: 2) by JNCF on Friday May 10 2019, @06:31PM (3 children)
It's not that the internet is full of honest people, it's that you have a crazy amount of information (and an AI to sort it for you) sitting at your fingertips. I made a statement that included all the relevant keywords. This part isn't necessary, but the context even that made it clear that the claim was one I believed to be easily citable as it was contrasted by a claim that I clearly stated I wasn't aware of any good sources for. I don't think the original AC was trying to derail the conversation, I just think they were silly to ask for a citation rather than making a good faith attempt to find it themselves. I ask for citations from people on occasion, but not before searching for the information myself if it seems like something that could be easily found.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @07:00PM (2 children)
I ask for citations before debating points because I've wasted far too much time dealing with people who don't have a source, "can't remember the source", say "just google it", only attack my sources without providing any of their own, etc.
I also think having an unwritten rule or expectation of providing sources for your claims would raise the level of discussion. This site could certainly use some more > +3 informative posts compared to the insightful and interesting mods that seem to get thrown around as an "I agree" mod.
(Score: 2) by JNCF on Friday May 10 2019, @07:18PM (1 child)
I'm assuming you're the original AC, and not the second one. I honestly considered saying "just google it," or giving you a lmgtfy link, but decided to include a link to a valid citation because I felt it would make it more clear that my point about learning to search for information wasn't simply an attempt to evade providing one. I don't think providing citations for all claims is reasonable, there are just too many claims we make about reality in passing that are easy to verify to a reasonable level of certainty but cumbersome to include citations for. If I feel like a given piece of information is hard to find I try to include a source for it (or, if I can't remember one and I know that from prior experience, own up to my sketchy memory and the probabilistic doubts it should raise up front when making the initial claim). The line between "easy to find" and "hard to find" is a blurry one, as most (all?) lines are, but I try to walk it and I think it's reasonable to expect people to search for a well-phrased claim before asking for a citation.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @11:22PM
Honorable intent but DFTT!
You should have stopped once they questioned your anecdote. You gotta live under a rock not to know that misogyny in tech is a real problem.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @06:20PM
The reason why I asked for a citation was that the claim had all the look and feel of someone talking out of their ass, something which many have the habit of doing here on SN. Well, in this case I learned something. Thanks for the citation, JNCF!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @07:47PM (1 child)
Women are better at quietly being assholes.
Thankfully I never have to deal with assholes of any gender these days but I can remember the days when I was young and naive.
I was super motivated and did 1/2 of all the work by metrics my first 6 months at one job. I also would go around looking for people who had work they could split (fresh out of military)
Lots of "great jobs!" and "Thanks a millions! XD" from one of my female co-workers. Surely she must be my friend we're hi-5ing like 4 times a day! They must all love the extra capacity I bring to the team right?
Wrong. She unloaded literally every shitty clerical task she could onto me and then was running and telling the boss about my every mistake the whole time. Oddly enough I took a class at the end of my enlistment where I was warned against doing just this... and it was playing out exactly like they said it would. Except quietly where I couldn't tell that my "friend" was concerned I would make her look bad.
Not saying this is common from just women. My dude boss was a huge douchebag too but being fresh out of the military I didn't have the emotional intelligence to recognize bad co-workers as long as they were smiling and acting upbeat. I will say under other circumstances my guy boss would have been considered immasculine.
I didn't catch on for years that he was a raging overt asshole in a past life and he "fixed" himself by smiling and talking about church and shit all day and apologizing for literally everything practically pissing on himself like a scared dog when bringing bad news to his own bosses or really when interacting with anyone who he didn't have some sort of pull over. The whole thing was a cover because at some point he discovered that life is easier when you don't advertise the face you're a total sociopath.
He encouraged people who were gossips and snitches because he liked having the office dirt more than he gave a shit what it did to the workplace. He also had this soul sucking lumburgh way of dealing with even the smallest mistakes "Oh hey buddy I noticed you made a mistake and I didn't notice because I thought you were doing your job but apparently you did not. Could you please blah blah blah that would be super!" CC:like a 50 person email chain. Or he'd loudly command you to go meet him in some backroom and everyone would hear it. He would frequently toot his own horn that he "praised in public and punished in private like a good leader". After I quit I realized he always talked about being around other people, going to church, or hanging out with his family but he never once mentioned being around friends. Never hanging out with his wife's friends husbands, never sunday afternoon with friends from church.... anyhow I digress.
Asshole women usually figure out how to play nice faster than male assholes. The average soylentel is probably employable enough that they don't need to tolerate workplaces full of assholes unless they have worker stockholm syndrome and believe they can't do better or they're assholes themselves.
(Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday May 11 2019, @01:11AM
It's called handling spies, running an intelligence network, and all competent bosses do this to some degree. My own boss told me that he did this, and I was fine with that, as long as the reporting was factually honest and not bullshit gossip. Some people love this kind of Game-of-Thrones shit worthy of a Medici and have fun trying out their own counterintelligence skills. Others like me do what they do, and as long as they don't hear anything bad and get the occasional raise, don't give a fuck.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @04:08PM
My wife is a teacher, and to hear her stories, 90% of her complaints are about other women at work! Bitches! But then, 90% of the workers are women.
Hmm... you may have a point.
(Score: -1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @02:24PM (2 children)
I do not believe there is any industry in which some guy won't be discrediting a female that shows up and attempts to dilute his talent and education by doing a worse job than him as a diversity hire.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @03:03PM
Unfortunately everybody knows more and more about plenty of ${PEOPLE} that shows up as an ${EQUALITY:${SLOTTEDIN}} hire and dilute other's talent and education by doing a worse job if any significant at all.
The real difference between ${SEX} subjects on ${BOTH} sides is the kind of ${WHINING:${VICTIMHOOD}} behaviour of each class.
(Score: 2) by darkfeline on Saturday May 11 2019, @05:26AM
-1 Insightful, now that's a rare sight.
Seriously though, I have heard, anecdotally, from female coworkers whom I respect that they hate "quota" hires the most. Which makes sense, because the number one effect of prioritizing hiring unqualified people with trait X is that all people with trait X are perceived as unqualified. Give me qualified coworkers, I don't care about their gender, sex, race, religion, genus or species. But don't give me idiots.
Join the SDF Public Access UNIX System today!
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @03:55PM (1 child)
We've turned the glass ceiling into a glass floor. All the women are above, and the men are below just looking up.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @04:16PM
PERVERTS!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @07:07PM
I do not believe there is a place in which some person won't be murdering someone else that shows up.
Murder is clearly justified, then, and we do not need to report about them.
(Score: 5, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @12:59PM (52 children)
More articles like this, please!
Keep the outrage flowing, SN.
I just can't get this kind of news anywhere else!
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @01:07PM (50 children)
Indeed! I need moar reminders of why I must never vote for the Democratic Party again!
lolololol
I see we're posting leftist drivel from Chavista incels like NPC-131072. Why can we not also have a few nice Aristarchus submissions while we're at it? I really think that only the combined power of NPC-131072 and Aristarchus can save Soylentnews from the alt-right incel plague!
(Score: 5, Informative) by janrinok on Friday May 10 2019, @01:55PM (49 children)
The IEEE [..the world's largest technical professional organization for the advancement of technology] is a respected organisation and it is they that sourced this research. It matters not who the submitter is, but the content of the submission. We have to confirm that the story comes from a reputable source, that it is accurately and fairly reported, and that it is factual and unbiased. It also has to be of interest to the majority of our community. This meets all the criteria.
We also report stories from aristarchus, and indeed from any of our community including ACs, when they meet the same criteria.
I am not interested in who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @02:21PM (12 children)
It's a crap article, it's mostly about feelings and the "sexual harassment" is a byproduct of women in most parts of the world being unwilling to date somebody that's their own level.
I don't see anything in the article that's specific to them other than whining about it. Female only clubs and organizations are a thing and women get a ton of extra help in their pursuit of a job that men don't get. Or at least did before the #metoo women fucked that up for them. Now, you'd have to be a great fool to mentor a woman that could come round and complain about it.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @02:54PM (8 children)
Found the incel. Women don't like you cause yer an asshole.
Lumping millions of people into narrow categories is stupidly wrong.
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @03:00PM (3 children)
Or, maybe I've got a point, but you're too pussy whipped to admit it. Women engage in literally all the bad behavior that they accuse men of. The only difference is that women are apparently not capable of being adults even though we expect all men to be.
It's rather telling that you had to resort to name calling.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @05:13PM
No, the dude was right. You are an incel. A dickless n00b. And that girl at work still isn't interested in dating you. Deal with it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @08:03PM (1 child)
When someone is an asshole you stop talking to them even if they sit on your dick from time to time.
There isn't some niceness threshold that will make women sleep with you any more than you'd suck a dude's dick just for being a bro.
I don't know what it is that has got this raging nice-guy syndrome going in the us but it's way out of control.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @11:30PM
Lol you realize that your grammatical structure makes it sound like you got some dude bouncing off your dick right?
Being a charming asshole is very different from being a misogynistic asshole. Misogyny only gets a pass from people with massive insecurities or daddy complexes. Usually they find out the guy is a misogynistic asshole later and they drop him faster than an incel meeting a feminist!
Amusing how you call being a decent human being "raging nice-guy syndrome." That syndrome is actually what creates most incels, they try-hard to be "nice" but no male or female is attracted to someone obviously pretending.
It is possible to be a nice guy without being a push over. You don't have to swallow someone's bullshit to be nice. Maybe you should suck some more dicks, might give you a better perspective on life.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday May 10 2019, @05:37PM (3 children)
You're partly mistaken. Women like assholes. What almost all women hate, are whiny bitches, or incels. Assholes like me get picked up in bars by attractive women. Incels do not get picked up in bars. By anyone.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @08:24PM
Translation: Sometimes I have sex and I expect people on the internet to be impressed
(Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday May 11 2019, @01:17AM (1 child)
Huh, I'm going to have to ask you about your playbook. I'm an asshole (anti-Semitic) at bars and always get rejected, especially by large-nosed women. What is your secret?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday May 11 2019, @01:27AM
Well, I've never walked into a bar, and told everyone that the big-nosed woman at the table closest to the bar must be a Jewish whore. Not even when said big-nosed woman WAS a Jewish whore.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @03:03PM (2 children)
If it comes to complains, I have this feeling "grooming" was a more appropriate word for what you'd be actually intending to do.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @03:57PM (1 child)
Pretty much the point parent was making. Too easy for it to turn around and bite you
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 11 2019, @12:32PM
Stop fucking dog females and they won't turn around to bite you.
(Score: 3, Touché) by c0lo on Friday May 10 2019, @03:10PM (14 children)
Mate, your use of verb tense is weird, as the last time you did it is close to those ancient times aristarchus was sexually fertile.
So deep into antiquity, that stories on S/N from aristarchus are almost a myth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 3, Informative) by janrinok on Friday May 10 2019, @05:10PM (9 children)
https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=19/05/07/066211
https://soylentnews.org/breakingnews/article.pl?sid=19/04/21/1128222
https://soylentnews.org/politics/article.pl?sid=19/04/17/0824259
A good jibe, but not accurate :)
I am not interested in who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Friday May 10 2019, @05:42PM (7 children)
JFYI - Aristarchus has had 13 stories posted so far this year. I know people think that we ignore every story that he submits but it is simply untrue. But he only complains about the ones we reject.
I am not interested in who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @05:56PM (6 children)
Yes, but the percentage of his submissions you accept is woefully low compared to other submitters. Clearly an anti-Hellenic bias.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Friday May 10 2019, @06:00PM (4 children)
I am not interested in who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Friday May 10 2019, @06:41PM (3 children)
Weren't me, JR! Just average Soylentils expressing their views on the alt-right bias inherent in the SoylentNews.
But as for the numbers, 119 submissions since Feb. 10 of this year, acceptance rate 6%. =7.14?
Total submissions: 682. Accepted: 89. Ratio: #freearistarchus.
Aristarchus acceptance rate in 2016, 70%. Gee, what happened after 2016?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @07:12PM (1 child)
You threw away all pretense of being a troll?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @07:31PM
Pretence? I do not think your post means what you think it means. Are you saying ari was pretending to be a troll, but then stopped? Or that he was a troll and admitted it? So is ari a troll, or not? Or is this a "meta-troll" post, intended to confuse me? Hanlon! Calling Hanlon! Bring razor, please!
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Friday May 10 2019, @07:27PM
Perhaps you stopped saying anything new that would generate in interesting discussion?
Not quite sure why you chose those particular dates to for this year's submissions, I have counted them and you have had 13 posted this year i.e. since 1 Jan 2019.
I am not interested in who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: 1) by RandomFactor on Saturday May 11 2019, @04:48PM
You should start including ice-hockey rinks as a unit of measure in your subs. The editors deeply appreciate this.
В «Правде» нет известий, в «Известиях» нет правды
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday May 11 2019, @12:08AM
Heh, seems that aristrachus has been sexually fertile until quite recently!
Congrats, magister, there aren't many of us able to do it.
(was about to say: "not many of us are able to pull it", but then I remembered that pulling is not the hardest part, it's the pushing)
(large grin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Friday May 10 2019, @05:41PM (3 children)
Mules are born sterile. They may have penises that drag on the ground, but they can't do much with them.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday May 10 2019, @06:53PM (1 child)
"Animal husbandry" does not mean what you think it means, Runaway. Maybe the mule just wasn't that into you.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 11 2019, @12:53AM
Oh, come on!!! Flamebait? This should have reached +5, Funny long ago!
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @11:41PM
You must be Catholic if you think a penis can only be used to procreate.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @04:31PM (9 children)
A friend of mine was at a bar. He noticed a woman, approached, and as his opening line said:
"Your father must be a baker!"
Before he could get the second part of his witty comment in, she slapped him and stormed off. Confused, he sat down at the bar, and nursed his drink (and pride).
After a while, he approached the woman again, apologised, and asked why she slapped him. Her response?
"I don't have a yeast infection!!"
Oh, my friend thought. "But, I was just going to say -- you have nice buns!"
Now, had my friend not approached the second time.. this would not have been cleared up, and we'd have yet another surveyable case of "Men being assholes in bars".
Which from my personal experience, certainly SOME of women reporting "Bad behaviour" by men -- is just them assuming the worst.
Anything, almost anything can be taken the wrong way... and women (rightly or wrongly) seem to have their "backs up" these days, and tend to assume ANYTHING is WRONG!
HE WRONGED ME!
And so forth.
So I really, really, really wish that there was some way to observe all of these incidents in an impartial way. Instead of either side just reporting on random surveys.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @05:19PM (4 children)
No, no, no. She had him pretty well sized up the first time. And your "friend" is an asshole. Next time, you should try a less deplorable pick up line. Just sayin'.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @06:36PM (3 children)
Ah, from an anonymous coward, comes the words of Casanova!
Of course, we all have the perfect line, the perfect thing to say to a prospective mate. And anyone that says something not quite right? Is an asshole, yes? Hmm?
Maybe, perhaps, you're the asshole?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @07:40PM (2 children)
No, not a Casanova. Not by any stretch of the imagination.
"Not quite right"?!? Seriously? This is was way beyond "not quite right". I'm not all that socially astute and yet even I can see that. (Believe me, I've made my own share of social gaffes.) My only surprise is that he was not immediately escorted out when he made his second attempt at delivering his "pickup line".
Well, asshole is in the eye of the beholder I suppose. For my part, I think your "friend" got off far too easy on this one. Unfortunately, I wouldn't be at all surprised if "he" hasn't learned a damn thing from this.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @08:23PM (1 child)
ROTFL! "Learned a thing"?
He had a nice night with that girl, and who, or why, would he ever be escorted out for such a thing?
I strongly suspect you live in a really, really strange place. Obviously, beyond it being troll land, it's a place where people are afraid of the opposite sex, and an amusing line is met with immense social stigma.
Troll away..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 11 2019, @12:46AM
Well, I think she made a mistake even giving him so much as the time of day but it is her choice. Assuming, of course, you are not just talking shit on the internet.
Possible, I suppose. Is the sky blue in your world?
No, not afraid. But then neither do I go out of my way looking for ways to antagonize others.
I don't even have to bother asking the women in my life what they think of that line; I am certain that "amusement" would not be one of their reactions to such a boorish, tacky pickup line. I suspect you are the one who needs to get out more.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by janrinok on Friday May 10 2019, @05:46PM (2 children)
You think that this sort of behaviour is acceptable? I find that a pretty insulting way to speak to someone that you do know.
I am not interested in who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @06:39PM (1 child)
Insulting?
Maybe bars, where you live, are places people go to sit alone, by themselves.
Here, bars are used for people to find people for *sex*, and perhaps more later...
Yet you find it insulting, that someone approaches another person in a placed designed for one-liners, picking up a sex partner, and says *anything* nice about any part of their body?
What's *wrong* with you?
I guess you have scripts prepared for people?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @07:48PM
I can't speak for janrinok but if that is the way people typically behave in bars then I think I would prefer to sit alone. Just sayin'.
You have a set of cheesy pickup one-liners and you are ragging on janrinok about having a prepared script?!? Now I have to ask: what's wrong with you?
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 13 2019, @03:20PM
yeah, and the part that everyone will ignore in the above example is
a) that the women didn't like his opening line
b) she considered that enough justification to physically assault him
c) we all think this perfectly normal
now, take the same situation and reverse the sexes, now the cops are involved
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @05:47PM
uh-huh. yep.
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Friday May 10 2019, @09:56PM (9 children)
"Unbiased," that's rich. That one's very rich. Great fertilizer for a garden, or a farm. They ran a story, "Microsoft Threatens to Bring Edge Browser to Linux." Horribly biased headline -- "THREATENS." Made up by the guy that submitted the story. And the one in the original article is very neutral -- Microsoft Say Edge May Come. And after they ran it, you -- Janrinok -- edited that one. But, incredibly, didn't change the headline. The guy that submitted that one had written a dumb joke. And possibly, you couldn't tell it was a joke. Certainly you didn't like it. Because it was at the expense of some cyber you like. Known as Systemd. So you "edited" it out. But the very biased headline is there to this day. To this day. And I see on Soylent News so many Hit Pieces against Microsoft. They're rich, they're successful, they're very smart and they're American. So you love to hate them. And possibly it brings in more "clicks." But, it's very different from what you say you're doing. From the supposed Neutrality.
So many times when I did Subs -- rejected by you and it was supposedly because I put Exclamation Point in the headline. Leaving the rest of it just the same as it was in the news. On the News Site. Exclamation Point is my way of saying, this is an exciting story. But according to you wasn't neutral. Very easy, I think, to edit that one. Obviously I'm not an expert in the editing. But, I know the Editors can put whatever headline they want. And Exclamation Point, it's one little symbol. They have, I assume, Back Space. Or, you know, why not leave that one? You left, as I said "Threatens" when the Original said "Say."
And, 2 days ago. You -- Janrinok ran a story, "EU Investment in British Tech Sector Reaches Record High Despite Brexit." Which had folks asking, did Brexit happen? It hasn't happened but the headline sounds like, it happened. 3 people tweeting about the bad (wrong) headline and I was the 3rd. And you stepped in. You didn't "edit" the wrong headline. You chewed me out for tweeting about it. And called me dumb for thinking "Brexit" meant Brexit. When -- possibly -- you meant the Brexit "process." You called it a "process," it looks like total chaos to me. Very easy, I think, to tack on "Process" in the headline. But let's not do that, let's take a very unfair swipe at Donald J. Trump instead. For being American. For being very rich, very successful and by the way, very smart. And for saying it was a terrible headline. It's known as, Shooting the Messenger.
Today, Fnord 666 mixed up 2 totally different stories. I asked very very politely, please correct that one. Which he, or she did(thank you, Fnord). But, you decided to jump on me again. And mock me with, "oh, I'm only asking as you appear to be an expert on the editing process." You call it a "process," it looks like total chaos to me. Shooting the Messenger again. I'm not an expert. But, I know the Editors can cancel a story after they approve it. And, they can create a new story with whatever headline. With whatever Summary they want. But oh, I'm the bad man. Let's mock Donald J. Trump for not being European. I'm not European, my parents (RIP!!) were European. From EU sectors. But that's not good enough for you. EU is dieing, America is, very quickly, becoming Great Again. But you love to lord it over us. Like the European Elites did before our Revolution. What a snob!!!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @11:48PM
I think we just found our first volunteer for SoylentGreen
(Score: 3, Informative) by janrinok on Saturday May 11 2019, @04:56AM (7 children)
Both Fnord and myself were involved in resolving the bad merge. The problem with simply cancelling a story is that it screws up the karma and can also play havoc with the comments. It is not necessarily so simple as cancelling a story. If we cancel a story then the individuals who have commented have had their opinions removed too. That would seem like censorship to some of our community. We would be accused of suppressing views that we did not like. So the action to make sure that all who had submitted submissions got the recognition that they deserved was taken by me. I published all of the subs. At that point you could not see them. We can release stories which simply do not display on the front page. This is how we can do late merges and make sure that the submitters get the credit that is owing to the them. I did this while you were still 'asking' for changes to be made. They had been done, I told you that you would get your karma.
If we simply edit a poor merge that includes, as this did, 2 different stories, then the comments can become screwed up because some comments belong to one story and some to another. Someone has to go through the comments and, reallocate them to a new place, or at least check every comment to make sure that it is still appropriate. I spent a lot of time at the hospital yesterday, I did what I could in the little free time that I had. When FNord arrived back on the site he did the bulk of the work, checked the comments, and released the hidden stories so that all submissions could be read.
If we delete a story and 'recreate' it then the person who recreates it gets the karma, they have become the submitter. That would be unfair to the original submitters. It is not a trivial task and it is not something that can be done with the click of a few buttons. If you think the front page looks old school, you ought to see the 'tools' we have for editing and managing stories.
But I'm afraid that another problem lies with you. You wrote in a style that reflects your adopted persona. I cannot tell when you are trying to write seriously or trying yet again to raise a cheap laugh. All that was necessary was 'Incorrect stores merged - Editors please check' and it would have been much clearer to us. You are probably not surprised to hear that some people don't bother to read your comments because of your style of parody when writing. Your full paragraph of Trump-ish comments was simply ignored initially, certainly by me. If, in future, you leave the sarcasm and 'humour' for your usual comments, but write serious comments in simple and clear English then it would aid us considerably.
Finally, no harm was done. The site didn't crash. Nobody died. Mistakes will happen. Lessons will be learned. The editors all have real lives to live. Nobody was too confused by the 2 stories appearing under the same title. Please don't expect 24/7 response from volunteers who are doing a reasonable job in the circumstances.
I am not interested in who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Saturday May 11 2019, @06:40AM (6 children)
I wrote, "cancel." I don't know what you call it. I don't know. Possibly you have a very special word for that one. But I did, I think 4 Subs. About the Sharks. 4 totally different stories, you (for some reason) did the "merge" of those. Approved the "merge" and it supposedly was going to appear on Main "Page." But it never appeared. Somebody stopped it from going up there. Unfortunately. I got Karma. But, no one saw the stories on Front "Page." No one got to Tweet on those. That's what I called the "cancel." And when I put in the "meta" Sub saying, there's a bad "merge," there was time to do the "cancel." Because, story wasn't on Main, or Front "Page" yet. But nobody got to that in time. That's OK. That's OK.
(Score: 3, Informative) by janrinok on Saturday May 11 2019, @07:07AM
https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=19/05/10/1317231 - Bitcoin stolen in Binance attack
https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=19/05/10/050243 - FBI closure of website
All of your submissions, merged with the appropriate stories are on the front page. If you look at the links I have just posted you can see them there. All 4 submissions received the appropriate karma.
Good, because we are not Twitter. You are talking Trumpish again.
If you pay me the full rate of pay, I will sit on this site for a full working day. Pay for 3 editors per day for 7 days a week, and you can have 24 hour coverage. Until then, you have to wait for an editor to be available. When we are here, we will process your requests - if necessary. We are not employed by you, how about you show a little bit of commonsense regarding the running of this site.
I am not interested in who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday May 11 2019, @07:57AM (4 children)
I'll answer this separately as it is only loosely related to the subject being discussed in this thread.
When we have several stories on the same or a similar topic in the submission queue we can do a 'standard' merge that combines the stories together so that they can be processed accordingly. Having several stories merged does NOT always mean that they have been accepted for release but merely that they are related and should all be managed and released together in a single story.
If editors decide that the combined stories are not subsequently worth publishing (dupes, not worth discussing, poorly written, better stories available etc) they can be deleted using a single delete command. I try make a comment explaining why I have rejected stories but I do not recall these stories and I do not recall rejecting them. I might have done it, but it could have been another editor. We are fortunately looking at about 100 stories currently in the subs queue - we will pick the best from that selection.
If stories become stale (i.e too old or now irrelevant) they are often deleted by date. There is no mechanism for adding a explanation for deletion if several submissions are deleted at the same time or, if there is, I don't know of it.
I am not interested in who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Saturday May 11 2019, @08:26AM (3 children)
The merge of Shark Stories made it to Pending Stories. But, not to Front(Main) Page -- canceled, or whatever your very special word is. And the merge of Binance "Hack" with DeepDotWeb Seizure was in Pending Stories when I saw it was a mistake. Could have been canceled before Front "Page." Doesn't matter!!
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday May 11 2019, @09:03AM (2 children)
I am not interested in who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 11 2019, @09:57AM (1 child)
I just wanted to say that you have shown remarkable restraint when dealing with DonaldTrump, whether he is "real" or not. At this point I think you are well within your right to just tell him to fuck off and go back to twitface (or whatever the hell they are calling it these days).
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday May 11 2019, @11:10AM
Thank you - this job isn't always as easy as it seems.
I am not interested in who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday May 10 2019, @06:22PM
There are lots of other places you can get outrage instead of news.
But it would be unwise for me to name any of them.
When trying to solve a problem don't ask who suffers from the problem, ask who profits from the problem.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @01:26PM (7 children)
I don't know any men whatsoever who didn't grow up with this on a daily basis, and so when it continues happening to them in their adult life no one even register the event. It's such a minuscule thing it doesn't matter, and it's ongoing. (Probably related to the amount of badgering and shit that men continually take from women.)
If women are so god damn sensitive that any human interaction is "harassment" then perhaps they should not be allowed into situations which they obviously _still_ cannot handle.
(Score: 2, Flamebait) by acid andy on Friday May 10 2019, @02:24PM (6 children)
Oh there are plenty of men that can't take it either. They often get overlooked. Or sexist pricks like yourself tell them that they're being effeminate.
If a cat has kittens, does a rat have rittens, a bat bittens and a mat mittens?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @03:08PM (5 children)
Exactly. And the sad thing is that the first ones being sexist and mock such men are their female counterparts.
(Score: 3, Funny) by acid andy on Friday May 10 2019, @04:32PM (4 children)
I can't even tell if you get the irony in your post or if you're genuinely that hypocritical.
If a cat has kittens, does a rat have rittens, a bat bittens and a mat mittens?
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @04:50PM (3 children)
AC is being observant. You are being hypocritical. The number of men who jump on to defend the feminine has almost 1 to 1 relationship with men who get offended for being called effeminate.
(Score: 2) by acid andy on Friday May 10 2019, @05:06PM (2 children)
Got a citation? Large intestines don't count. FWIW offense can be given as well as taken, you know.
If a cat has kittens, does a rat have rittens, a bat bittens and a mat mittens?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @11:31PM (1 child)
You OK with a citation from my liver then?
(Score: 2) by acid andy on Saturday May 11 2019, @03:25PM
So long as you don't pull it out of your ass.
If a cat has kittens, does a rat have rittens, a bat bittens and a mat mittens?
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @02:41PM (1 child)
My own impression is that workplace discrimination has decreased dramatically from decades ago and continues improving each year. HR departments often have active programs to monitor and report discrimination incidents.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @03:24PM
Bandwagon.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @03:22PM (3 children)
I'm sure they'll also be excluded from 1 on 1 lunches as well. Why take a risk?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Friday May 10 2019, @06:24PM (2 children)
That risk technically exists between any two individuals. Regardless of gender. All it takes is for one to bring an accusation. Having opposite genders at a 1 on 1 is not required for an accusation to occur, whether genuine or not.
When trying to solve a problem don't ask who suffers from the problem, ask who profits from the problem.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @07:04PM
When a woman accuses a man, all the white knights and virtue signalers will come out to back the woman. When a man accuses someone, those same people will tell him to "fuck off, you pussy".
(Score: 3, Informative) by darkfeline on Saturday May 11 2019, @05:39AM
Nah, an accusation from a woman against a man carries far more weight, here in the glorious US. Meanwhile, an accusation from a man against a woman is worth its Earthly weight in helium, which is to say you had better have irrefutable evidence signed by the Pope, in triplicate.
There is a 2017 documentary by a former feminist called The Red Pill. It documents some of the legal imbalances between men and women (women get lesser sentences for the same crimes, for example, and if you're a father trying to win child custody, I can only laugh because it's too depressing to cry).
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(Score: 1, Disagree) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday May 10 2019, @04:53PM (32 children)
Do NOT accept subs from NPC-$BIGNUM. Are you people fucking stupid? Have you looked at his post history? He's the textbook case of low-level alt-right shit stirrer. No more from him.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Interesting) by acid andy on Friday May 10 2019, @05:10PM
The way things are going, I wouldn't be too hugely surprised if it was one of the eds, to be honest. I hope it isn't, though.
If a cat has kittens, does a rat have rittens, a bat bittens and a mat mittens?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by janrinok on Friday May 10 2019, @05:23PM (17 children)
You are the one being 'stupid'. The source and content of the story are fair and from a reputable source. Who submitted it is irrelevant.
Your efforts to control who can submit what or which submissions we can publish is not something you have the right to do. You can argue your case for the subject under discussion HERE IN THE COMMENTS. You DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to try to control reasonable discussion by telling us from whom we can accept submissions. You want to forbid stories submitted by people whose views you disagree with. We have discussed this here and elsewhere. It will not happen.
I am not interested in who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday May 10 2019, @06:06PM (15 children)
You kinda fucked up here, Mr. Editor. And in light of what you've been doing with Ari's subs, which are stupidly editorialized but no less topical, that rings really, really, really hollow.
Back up a moment and think about this particular poster's agenda for a bit, please. Look over his post history. See that he's, as I said, basically a textbook example of the low-tier shit-stirrer on the alt-right. And ask yourself, what motivation does this guy have for submitting what he did?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @06:28PM (9 children)
Do you really want submissions to be rejected based on the perceived motivation of the one who submitted them instead of the content of the submission?
Even if you thought that was a good idea, should the volunteer editors really be spending their time looking through someone's post history before every sub can get into the queue?
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday May 10 2019, @06:47PM (8 children)
Obvious shit-stirring bad faith trolls should not be able to submit so easily, no. That's not meant to replace the main criterion of what the content of the sub is; it's meant to be a weighting factor in deciding whether to admit it or not. This is not, or should not be, a difficult concept.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Insightful) by JNCF on Friday May 10 2019, @09:17PM (7 children)
Should ACs be allowed to submit stories? What about new accounts? If yes in either case, your proposal has no teeth (even if it were deemed desirable to reject the message based on the messenger).
(Score: 2) by acid andy on Friday May 10 2019, @10:53PM (2 children)
We could require a certain minimum level of karma to submit a story although honestly I think that would be less fair and balanced even than the current system. Some way to rank stories or for the community to vote for them or even an appeals process for rejected stories that the community can vote on are other ideas. I imagine it's very hard to get right.
If a cat has kittens, does a rat have rittens, a bat bittens and a mat mittens?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 13 2019, @06:16PM (1 child)
(Score: 2) by acid andy on Monday May 13 2019, @09:19PM
Yeah I'd prefer more submissions and more accepted submissions than fewer. The issue is with a perceived bias in what is currently being accepted and rejected. My idea of an appeals process for rejections would actually increase the number of stories if the community wants the rejections overturned.
If a cat has kittens, does a rat have rittens, a bat bittens and a mat mittens?
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday May 10 2019, @10:55PM (3 children)
Actually, I lke that idea: no AC subs, and no subs from new accounts until they've been here for $TIME and have at least $NUM_KARMA. If this place is going to be community-driven, it needs to have a sustained userbase who have some skin in the game.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @11:19PM (1 child)
And the submission qualifies for your imprimatur, I guess you forgot to write. Why not expand that for the comments too. If enough people agree with you, you could have a most excellent site run for your enjoyment, by other people's efforts.
We've been doing fine before you came along. Plus, since the world is ending soon, I guess it won't matter anyway.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday May 10 2019, @11:29PM
Yeah, well, that's just, like, my opinion, maaaaaaaaaaaan :)
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 11 2019, @03:09PM
There you go, showed your true self, an authoritarian, intolerant, nazi-commie.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @06:33PM (4 children)
What agenda is that? Parodying the far-left by taking their arguments to such rediculous extremes that the left are forced to attack themselves?
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday May 10 2019, @06:45PM (3 children)
That's what he thinks he's doing, but it's...not working. He lacks the subtlety necessary to pull it off successfully, and he's already been discarded as low-tier trash by most of the forum. Unfortunately, he's figured out how to game the system and stir shit up through the subs queue, and I have no doubt he predicted 1) someone (likely me) would go up an editor's ass over it and 2) said editor would respond by doubling down, giving him a clear and open attack channel to continue sowing chaos.
It's not exactly 4-D chess or anything. He's found an easily-exploitable loophole in the way janrinok and maybe some of the other eds operate, and is going to keep using it until it's patched, which it likely never will be. Shame, but what can you do? The most I can do is publicly and loudly call it out, so that at least awareness of said loophole is in the site's public consciousness and people will know who to blame.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @07:16PM (2 children)
Not exactly Titania McGrath [twitter.com] but if it's not working, why not just ignore it?
Here's an article [spiked-online.com] by the gay lefty behind the Titania account. Should he also be branded "alt-right" and deplatformed?
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday May 10 2019, @07:24PM
I had no idea that person even existed. Crud, now there's a name I can't used for any of my boxen in the future, which were all named after moons of the outer solar system...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 11 2019, @05:00AM
LOL. That's some quality trolling. I liked the one about sandwiches.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @08:56PM
Well, you have to take context into account on reputable. Especially these days, when the long march through the institutions has progressed so far. Lots of formerly reputable institutions have been taken over and turned into outrage mills. IEEE is reputable for things like electronics standards, but not so much for social bias studies. I haven't followed them closely for a while, but I suspect this was pushed by a small group of infiltrators pushing an agenda, as they've been targeting all the tech industry and institutions. They've been so blatant and aggressive about this shit that they've gone well past the "Boy who Cried Wolf" stage, including indulging in outright fraud, so I automatically treat any such claims with extreme skepticism, if not out outright disbelief.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday May 10 2019, @05:46PM (2 children)
NPC is alt-right? FFS, I can't tell. Most people who are labeled as alt-right tend to make a point now and then. I've never understood a thing NPC has said. He's the child in the room who repeats shit he hears from the adults, with no understanding whatsoever.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday May 10 2019, @06:12PM
He's one of those guys who thinks doing the equivalent of the Spongebob aLtERnAtINg CaPs meme is by itself a form of argument. Imagine a newly-registered white belt in judo who thinks he can throw someone 3 times his weight with 20 years of training just because he's heard of the concept, and thinks he's going to show his sensei a thing or two...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 10 2019, @06:53PM
Yet another thing Runaway does not know. Gonna need a bigger ledger!
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday May 11 2019, @12:02AM (9 children)
Have to disagree with you on this one. For the same reason I disagree the rejection of ari's submissions.
Banning the submission on the overall behaviour of the submitter is an "intellectual shortcut". May be so enticing to adopt it for reducing the effort of editorializing, but it's still an abdication from the responsibility to use the intellectual function your physiology allows you to use.
The stories have to stay on their own.
I'm even OK with the editors to discard the (perceived) intent of the submitter when approving/rejecting a submission, even discard the editorialized form pushed by the submitters, "scrub" the intent and re-summarize the story in a neutral way. I'd be more than happy to see most of the links in ari's submissions making it to the from page even if his snark is discarded in the process.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday May 11 2019, @01:08AM (8 children)
Okay, you've got some pertinent points there. It won't work out that way in real life of course, but at least in principle you're correct. I just don't think our admins and eds are taking proper precautions.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday May 11 2019, @01:25AM (7 children)
Neither do I. But that's not a reason to shoot ourselves in the foot asking them to dismiss a good story for the faults of the submitter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday May 11 2019, @01:47AM (6 children)
I've seen NPC's schtick and I don't trust his motives. He has an obvious sock with a UID 3 higher and a username that's literally exactly the same +1, who seems to be playing the unironic bad cop to NPC's ironic "good" cop. It's childish, puerile, a waste of time and bandwidth, and serves no purpose other than stirring shit for cheap laughs and outrage bait.
He's also uncovered quite a nasty loophole in the wetware portion of the site's code, and it's not one that I see ever getting fixed :/
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Saturday May 11 2019, @02:10AM (5 children)
You mean another loophole in the submission system, beyond bomb-sunbmission by:
- rDT - all submission linked to FauxNews, oann [wikipedia.org] or breitbarf; even when the same story can be obtained from new outlets without a skin in US politics (eg BBC or abc.net.au) or the news agencies like reuters and afp,
- the use of bots to scour the internet, even when there are heaps of stories already submitted by soylenters
This tactic affords the editors plausible deniability in keeping a story they don't like until it gets that old they can reject it as "no longer news" - in which case they don't even bother to put a reason for it's rejection.
My opinion? Until the (non-AC) soylenters don't have a feedback on the publishing of a story, there are so many things the editors can use to have their game that I dare not to list them (lest I give them ideas).
The feedback may not need to be the full greensite firehose.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday May 11 2019, @02:27AM (4 children)
The loophole I have in mind is best summarized by "people with an agenda can state "innocent facts" and still be pushing their agenda," which Janrinok pointedly refused to understand in #editorial despite my trying the same analogy with him THREE. TIMES. The example was, "When someone keeps spam-posting "it's okay to be white," what is this person actually saying and why? Think about it."
What's being exploited here is an almost robotic adherence to the idea of "only consider the content, not the source or the poster." You can see why that's an exploitable logical error, right, especially in light of the above?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 11 2019, @05:19AM (1 child)
This is why deplatforming doesn't work. "No smoke without fire" is a very old meme.
If what someone says is threatening enough that you will go to the effort of trying to shut them down, then there must be some substance behind their words. All deplatforming does is spark interest, and lend credence.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 11 2019, @01:41PM
Won't if nobody knows about it that is what actually happens most of the times.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday May 11 2019, @09:29AM (1 child)
Azuma, buddy, in this case, I think you are overreacting.
Suppose TFA would have been from an AC submission - sincerely, what would have been your reaction to the story?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday May 11 2019, @03:35PM
"Ugh, another one of these? I bet it's one of our resident shit-stirrers trying to rile up the base again for the lulz. I really ought to go poke the eds and suggest they stop letting so much of this crap through..."
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...