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posted by martyb on Friday July 26 2019, @03:24PM   Printer-friendly
from the what-collateral-damage? dept.

To protect its satellites, France outlines ambitious space-weapons program

After French President Emmanuel Macron called for a space high command to protect his nation's satellites earlier this month, military officials on Thursday released their plans in more detail.

As reported in the French financial newspaper Les Echos, the French Defense Minister, Florence Parly, outlined a new space weapons program that would allow the country to move from space surveillance to the active protection of its satellites.

"France is not embarking on a space arms race," Parly said, according to the publication. However, the projects outlined Thursday by French officials include swarms of nano-satellites that would patrol a few kilometers around French satellites, a ground-based laser system to blind snooping satellites, and perhaps even machine guns on board some satellites.

Parly said one of the country's biggest challenges would be to develop these capabilities with about one-tenth of the budget that the US spends on civil and defense space activities.

Troupes de espace marine.


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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by ikanreed on Friday July 26 2019, @03:36PM (4 children)

    by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Friday July 26 2019, @03:36PM (#871510) Journal

    kessler syndrome
    kessler syndrome
    kessler syndrome
    kessler syndrome!
    KESSLER SYNDROME!!
    KESSLER SYNDROME!!

    I love how completely fucked we are

    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Friday July 26 2019, @03:58PM (1 child)

      by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Friday July 26 2019, @03:58PM (#871525) Journal

      Gravity (2013) syndrome

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      • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 26 2019, @06:35PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 26 2019, @06:35PM (#871576)

        Σύνδρομο Πλάνητες

    • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Friday July 26 2019, @04:02PM

      by Freeman (732) on Friday July 26 2019, @04:02PM (#871527) Journal

      We've got a bit to go, before kessler syndrome is a real problem. Though, really, anyone capable of launching a rocket into space has the potential to cause serious problems.

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    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday July 26 2019, @08:32PM

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Friday July 26 2019, @08:32PM (#871615) Journal

      No medical web sites mention kessler syndrome, [wikipedia.org] so maybe there is no cure.

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  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday July 26 2019, @03:54PM

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday July 26 2019, @03:54PM (#871522) Journal

    Troupes de espace marine.

    How about the Légion Strange? https://www.legionforeign.com/regiments#! [legionforeign.com]

  • (Score: 2) by Rupert Pupnick on Friday July 26 2019, @04:10PM (2 children)

    by Rupert Pupnick (7277) on Friday July 26 2019, @04:10PM (#871534) Journal

    Maybe the United States Space Force can help...

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by DannyB on Friday July 26 2019, @08:23PM (1 child)

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Friday July 26 2019, @08:23PM (#871608) Journal

      Why, oh why, oh why didn't they name them

      Space Cadets ?

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      • (Score: 2) by martyb on Saturday July 27 2019, @02:33PM

        by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Saturday July 27 2019, @02:33PM (#871925) Journal

        Why, oh why, oh why didn't they name them

        Space Cadets ?

        Because that would be a "bad move space cadet" [wikipedia.org]?

        =)

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 26 2019, @04:18PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 26 2019, @04:18PM (#871536)

    Seriously, Marines?! Are they mariners? Is this a division of the Navy?

    • (Score: 1) by NPC-131072 on Friday July 26 2019, @04:52PM (2 children)

      by NPC-131072 (7144) on Friday July 26 2019, @04:52PM (#871551) Journal

      Are they mariners?

      No.

      Is this a division of the Navy?

      Would French space ships not fly under a French flag? [wikipedia.org]

      • (Score: 3, Touché) by ikanreed on Friday July 26 2019, @06:14PM (1 child)

        by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Friday July 26 2019, @06:14PM (#871570) Journal

        The increasing irony of the US, which gets into conflict after conflict where the only outcome is more of what they intended to stop, making fun of French military history just keeps increasing.

        What's the last actual war we actually won? And no kill-stealing from stalin.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 26 2019, @06:07PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 26 2019, @06:07PM (#871568)

    "but we're going to put machine guns on satellites."

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 26 2019, @06:08PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 26 2019, @06:08PM (#871569)

    the french need to hang macron in the street for letting the country be taken over by desert rats. the algerians have been rioting for days. i don't know what the french are doing. hiding in their chateaus?

    • (Score: 2) by mhajicek on Friday July 26 2019, @06:22PM

      by mhajicek (51) on Friday July 26 2019, @06:22PM (#871573)

      I hear these space weapons are for shooting down all the yellow balloons.

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    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 26 2019, @06:47PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 26 2019, @06:47PM (#871582)

      Eh, the French have been "rioting" against Macron since last year. There's a lot of "rioting" going on right now.

      Macron Renuncia!

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by pvanhoof on Friday July 26 2019, @06:45PM

    by pvanhoof (4638) on Friday July 26 2019, @06:45PM (#871580) Homepage

    Blinding the enemy? Sounds like they want equipment to shoot at China's QUESS [wikipedia.org].

    Maybe in the EU we should instead develop our own quantum key exchange capability.

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by DannyB on Friday July 26 2019, @08:30PM

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Friday July 26 2019, @08:30PM (#871613) Journal

    I fail to see how France's space weapons can protect their satellites?

    Wouldn't it be relatively easy to take out their satellites?

    Shoot several independent projectiles at it that intersect it at differing points in its orbit.

    Or fire a weapon in the opposite (east to west) direction to have a high closing speed, then before they meet the weapon turns itself into a small debris cloud. Going in the wrong direction takes more energy, but maybe a suborbital flight could still accomplish the task?

    Maybe a space weapons platform disguised as something nice, like a flower garden, could suddenly reveal its true porpoise by firing a laser powerful enough to effectively destroy a French satellite. Even if it isn't like spectacular movie special effects.

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  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 26 2019, @08:56PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 26 2019, @08:56PM (#871619)

    The last time I checked launching 10-20 grams of lead or other dense material at roughly 1000 meters per second accelerated the launch platform in the opposite direction.

    Who's calculating the new orbit?

    With every single shot you will need to calculate the new orbit of the launch platform. That's quite an overhead!

    I don't think Monsieur Macron understands orbital mechanics any more than Mister Trump does.

    "Macron thinks orbital mechanics are astronauts with monkey wrenches"

    ~childo

    • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 26 2019, @10:39PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 26 2019, @10:39PM (#871651)

      A ton of coarse sand launched into an elliptical polar orbit will put this space race to an end.

      For good.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by martyb on Saturday July 27 2019, @12:31AM

      by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Saturday July 27 2019, @12:31AM (#871682) Journal

      The last time I checked launching 10-20 grams of lead or other dense material at roughly 1000 meters per second accelerated the launch platform in the opposite direction.

      Who's calculating the new orbit?

      With every single shot you will need to calculate the new orbit of the launch platform. That's quite an overhead!

      At first glance, this did seem to be a problem but upon further thought, I do not see it being anything near an insurmountable one.

      1.) Just shoot an object of equivalent kinetic energy in the opposite direction and it will cancel out; no recalculation needed.

      2.) Why assume that your "kill vehicle" is traveling at a matched speed and direction to the target? If you have a [near] intercept path coming from the opposite direction, you need only gently release a projectile so that it parallels your course and the projectile impacts the target. Only smallest of delta-V change in your pursuing vehicle.

      3.) Why is recalculating an orbit such a big deal? Geostationary satellites are regularly released in a geostationary *transfer* orbit and it is up to the satellite (bird) to propel itself to its intended altitude and velocity. Further, birds are occasionally moved to a different orbit to take over for one that failed. Though not something I'd like to do with pencil and paper, it is done quite regularly and not that hard a calculation to do. Certainly not enough of a difficulty to be a blocking issue.

      Thanks for the opportunity to do a little mental gymnastics!

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  • (Score: 1) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Saturday July 27 2019, @10:53AM (1 child)

    by jmichaelhudsondotnet (8122) on Saturday July 27 2019, @10:53AM (#871854) Journal

    are going to be funny as the sheer expense of robotic weapons systems gets them special status and rights that humans do not have.

    The Bill of Rights 2020

    1 PROTECT THE ROBOTS AT ALL COSTS
    2 DO NOT HURT THE ROBOTS FEELINGS
    3 DO NOT TALK ABOUT THE MILITARY BUDGET
    4 DO NOT TALK ABOUT THE MILITARY BUDGET

    The End.

  • (Score: -1) by MyOpinion on Sunday July 28 2019, @09:29PM

    by MyOpinion (6561) on Sunday July 28 2019, @09:29PM (#872408) Homepage Journal

    This idea of air against the void without expanding into it is prohibited by the second law of thermodynamics.

    'space' is the distance between physical objects, not a physical place where one ventures in.

    Be intellectually honest, and instead of flagging this post as "Le Troll", practically demonstrate the existence of a pressurized gas system without a container.

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