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posted by martyb on Monday December 16 2019, @02:47PM   Printer-friendly
from the DumbPipes++ dept.

Tech industry asks US court to reconsider net neutrality ruling

In petitions filed with the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia on Friday, the Computer & Communications Industry Association, internet trade group INCOMPAS and various advocacy groups asked the three-judge panel to rehear the case or the full appeals court to take up the issue.

[...] Members of the trade groups include Amazon, Microsoft, Facebook and Alphabet Inc.

Advocacy groups filing petitions include Public Knowledge, Free Press and the Centre for Democracy & Technology.

"The FCC abdicated its ability to regulate the behaviour of ISPs for the first time in its history. As a consequence, ISPs are permitted to block or throttle Internet access, demand pay-to-play ransom from Internet edge providers, or otherwise interfere with end users’ access to the Internet," the petition said.

FCC spokeswoman Tina Pelkey said the agency is confident the court's decision "will stand and that we will continue to have a free and open Internet moving forward."

The appeals court, in its October decision, also ruled the FCC erred when it declared that states cannot pass their own net neutrality laws and ordered the agency to review some key aspects of its 2017 repeal of rules set by the Obama administration, including public safety implications and how its decision will impact a government subsidy programme for low-income users.

The 2017 FCC 3-2 vote handed internet providers sweeping powers to recast how Americans use the internet, as long as they disclose changes. The new rules took effect in June 2018 but ISPs have yet to change how users access the internet.


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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by barbara hudson on Monday December 16 2019, @03:04PM (4 children)

    by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Monday December 16 2019, @03:04PM (#932857) Journal
    The tech industry has been getting a free ride for decades. Let them do without the tax breaks and subsidies, no more parking money in tax havens, pay taxes in the jurisdiction the profits were earned in instead of a low-tax haven like Ireland, and everything else that comes with being a regular business. No more "we're special." They're not. And while we're at it, get them out of setting the curriculum in schools.
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    • (Score: 3, Informative) by ikanreed on Monday December 16 2019, @03:12PM (1 child)

      by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Monday December 16 2019, @03:12PM (#932862) Journal

      While I agree, we also need to destroy monopolisitic ISPs

      • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday December 16 2019, @06:22PM

        by fustakrakich (6150) on Monday December 16 2019, @06:22PM (#932942) Journal

        The government needs its "kill switch" and content control, and only the ISPs can do that. We need to circumvent them with bulletproof multicast tech that nobody can interfere.

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    • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 16 2019, @04:48PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 16 2019, @04:48PM (#932900)

      Suuure, but not related to NN and it comes off as supportive of removing NN protections.

      • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Wednesday December 18 2019, @02:37AM

        by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Wednesday December 18 2019, @02:37AM (#933549) Journal
        Replace the web with NN (Network News) and I'm happy with that. Kills of the useless UX web designers AND Javascript AND web browsers.

        Make content the king again.

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 16 2019, @04:16PM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 16 2019, @04:16PM (#932884)

    both sides are only out to screw us anyway

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Thexalon on Monday December 16 2019, @06:35PM (3 children)

      by Thexalon (636) on Monday December 16 2019, @06:35PM (#932949)

      And Bernie Sanders now has a plan out there to replace one of the mega-corps with publicly owned ISPs controlled at the municipal level. I'm not sure which is worse: A potentially unaccountable government-run system, or an unaccountable monopoly system. I know some libertarian types will just assume the government-run system is worse because government, but I'm familiar enough with the cyberpunk genre and modern legal standards to know that megacorps are also extremely dangerous critters.

      Basically, you should assume that whoever has control of the wires controls what information goes down those wires, regardless of the legalities.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 16 2019, @07:16PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 16 2019, @07:16PM (#932969)
      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by barbara hudson on Monday December 16 2019, @07:31PM

        by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Monday December 16 2019, @07:31PM (#932976) Journal
        How would municipal politicians not be held to account? They live in the same city as the voters, not some far-off state, provincial, or national capital.
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      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Monday December 16 2019, @10:39PM

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday December 16 2019, @10:39PM (#933054) Journal

        A potentially unaccountable government-run system, or an unaccountable monopoly system.

        The one that is only POTENTIALLY unaccountable is better.

  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Freeman on Monday December 16 2019, @04:54PM (1 child)

    by Freeman (732) on Monday December 16 2019, @04:54PM (#932904) Journal

    My ISP shouldn't be restricting usage. They shouldn't be snooping on the data stream, they shouldn't be tracking which online stores I like to frequent, and they shouldn't be throttling speeds. Sure, I can see load balancing to some degree, but that's a fair bit different than basing throttling around your particular usage. Also, they should be required to show average speeds in your area and market it with those numbers at the front.

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    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday December 16 2019, @06:56PM

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Monday December 16 2019, @06:56PM (#932961) Journal

      Also, they should be required to show average speeds in your area and market it with those numbers at the front.

      You know the process for making that happen, right? It's guaranteed to work.. "Voting is the easy part" [coloradosun.com]

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Monday December 16 2019, @06:00PM (2 children)

    by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday December 16 2019, @06:00PM (#932928) Journal

    The entire repeal is based on the ludicrous claim that the internet is NOT a Telecommunications Service [theverge.com]

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 16 2019, @10:19PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 16 2019, @10:19PM (#933040)

      Well, have you ever tried to use the internet to communicate at a distance?

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Monday December 16 2019, @10:42PM

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday December 16 2019, @10:42PM (#933055) Journal

        Well, have you ever tried to use the internet to communicate at a distance?

        Yes.

        If I make a phone call via a landline, it's protected by common carrier status.
        If I make a phone call via a cellphone, it's protected by common carrier status.

        If I make a phone call via IP, suddenly they can do whatever the fuck they want.

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