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posted by janrinok on Wednesday January 29 2020, @08:02PM   Printer-friendly
from the not-good-news dept.

Current model for storing nuclear waste is incomplete: Study finds the materials -- glass, ceramics and stainless steel -- interact to accelerate corrosion:

The materials the United States and other countries plan to use to store high-level nuclear waste will likely degrade faster than anyone previously knew because of the way those materials interact, new research shows.

The findings, published today in the journal Nature Materials, show that corrosion of nuclear waste storage materials accelerates because of changes in the chemistry of the nuclear waste solution, and because of the way the materials interact with one another.

“This indicates that the current models may not be sufficient to keep this waste safely stored,” said Xiaolei Guo, lead author of the study and deputy director of Ohio State’s Center for Performance and Design of Nuclear Waste Forms and Containers, part of the university’s College of Engineering. “And it shows that we need to develop a new model for storing nuclear waste.”

The team’s research focused on storage materials for high-level nuclear waste — primarily defense waste, the legacy of past nuclear arms production. The waste is highly radioactive. While some types of the waste have half-lives of about 30 years, others — for example, plutonium — have a half-life that can be tens of thousands of years. The half-life of a radioactive element is the time needed for half of the material to decay.

The United States currently has no disposal site for that waste; according to the U.S. General Accountability Office, it is typically stored near the plants where it is produced. A permanent site has been proposed for Yucca Mountain in Nevada, though plans have stalled. Countries around the world have debated the best way to deal with nuclear waste; only one, Finland, has started construction on a long-term repository for high-level nuclear waste.

But the long-term plan for high-level defense waste disposal and storage around the globe is largely the same. It involves mixing the nuclear waste with other materials to form glass or ceramics, and then encasing those pieces of glass or ceramics -- now radioactive -- inside metallic canisters. The canisters then would be buried deep underground in a repository to isolate it.

In this study, the researchers found that when exposed to an aqueous environment, glass and ceramics interact with stainless steel to accelerate corrosion, especially of the glass and ceramic materials holding nuclear waste.

The study qualitatively measured the difference between accelerated corrosion and natural corrosion of the storage materials. Guo called it "severe."

Journal Reference:

Xiaolei Guo, Stephane Gin, Penghui Lei, Tiankai Yao, Hongshen Liu, Daniel K. Schreiber, Dien Ngo, Gopal Viswanathan, Tianshu Li, Seong H. Kim, John D. Vienna, Joseph V. Ryan, Jincheng Du, Jie Lian, Gerald S. Frankel. Self-accelerated corrosion of nuclear waste forms at material interfaces. Nature Materials, 2020; DOI: 10.1038/s41563-019-0579-x


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 29 2020, @08:25PM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 29 2020, @08:25PM (#950824)

    Most of the city's uninhabitable, so might as well put it to good use.

    • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Wednesday January 29 2020, @09:36PM

      by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Wednesday January 29 2020, @09:36PM (#950859) Journal
      The senate. It's full of toxic waste. Or Facebook HQ.
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    • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Wednesday January 29 2020, @10:22PM

      by Freeman (732) on Wednesday January 29 2020, @10:22PM (#950879) Journal

      Yeah, let's not put Nuclear Waste next to the largest fresh water river in the United States of America.

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    • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Wednesday January 29 2020, @10:24PM (3 children)

      by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Wednesday January 29 2020, @10:24PM (#950882) Homepage
      Radioation might be X-rays, no? X-rays are used to decontaminate/preserve things (I'm sure I saw a documentary about strawberries). So we can decontaminate that shit-infested city on the coast using this stuff, surely?

      (readers will have to work out which city I'm referring to under their own steam, I've said all I need to.)
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      • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Thursday January 30 2020, @02:22AM (2 children)

        by MostCynical (2589) on Thursday January 30 2020, @02:22AM (#950969) Journal

        Ipswich? [thesuffolkcoast.co.uk]

        or Aberdeen? [visitabdn.com]

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        • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday January 30 2020, @07:23AM (1 child)

          by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Thursday January 30 2020, @07:23AM (#951078) Homepage
          Show us on the doll where the nasty holiday resort touched you.

          Why both the same coast? I left that ambiguous for a reason. You could have had Liverpool and Sunderland, for pity's sake!
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          • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Thursday January 30 2020, @07:38AM

            by MostCynical (2589) on Thursday January 30 2020, @07:38AM (#951086) Journal

            "Most underwhelming places in UK".. These two were top of the list.
            Could have also had Blackpool, or Tintagel (well, anywhere in Cornwall, really)

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  • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 29 2020, @08:44PM (11 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 29 2020, @08:44PM (#950832)

    Nope, it doesn't exist.
    The only way to git rid of it is to send it to the Sun, or re-purpose it for reactors that can still use it.

    • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Wednesday January 29 2020, @09:39PM (4 children)

      by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Wednesday January 29 2020, @09:39PM (#950860) Journal

      The Appalachians have been around a lot longer than that, so have the Rockies. You want higher ground, so water can't flood it out too easily, so open-pit mines are out, as are mines on lower ground. But plenty of places meet the requirements.

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      • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Wednesday January 29 2020, @10:38PM (3 children)

        by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Wednesday January 29 2020, @10:38PM (#950892) Homepage
        What happened to Yukka Mountain? I remember hearing about that on the wireless in about 1890.
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        • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Thursday January 30 2020, @12:11AM (2 children)

          by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Thursday January 30 2020, @12:11AM (#950915) Journal
          Yucca mountain isn't part of a mountain chain - it's a semi-extinct volcano. A storage facility near a fault line is kind of dumb.
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          • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday January 30 2020, @01:26AM

            by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Thursday January 30 2020, @01:26AM (#950940) Homepage
            One on a subduction zone is kinda perfect, if you think about it.
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          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday January 30 2020, @05:21AM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 30 2020, @05:21AM (#951044) Journal
            Actually, it is. All the mountain chains in the area are basin and range [wikipedia.org] like dominoes that have toppled over. And the volcanism stopped 80k years ago. That makes it good enough for the period of time the site needs to remain undisturbed (I think it's utterly retarded to have a one million year standard for disruption of the site as a US court has advocated).

            Finally, so what if there is a fault line nearby (basin and range traditionally generate such faults due to the sliding of the blocks that make up the structure)? Just don't have it running through the site and you're good.
    • (Score: 2) by ikanreed on Wednesday January 29 2020, @10:02PM

      by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 29 2020, @10:02PM (#950869) Journal

      You can't put it in the sun, if you do, the sun will put out 10 microseiverts per day to every single person on the planet. Totally unsafe!

    • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by FatPhil on Wednesday January 29 2020, @10:28PM (2 children)

      by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Wednesday January 29 2020, @10:28PM (#950887) Homepage
      Anyone who mentions "the sun" as a solution is a fucking idiot who knows nothing about any of the laws of physics that have been know about for 400 years; end of.

      Up-modder of that comment - you're an idiot too - identify yourself so that I can capriciously downmod you elsewhere as punishment for your medieval anti-phyx stance.
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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 29 2020, @10:36PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 29 2020, @10:36PM (#950891)

        Well, to be fair, he didn't claim it to be a cost-efficient solution.

        Besides, we can throw it at Jupiter or somewhere else.

      • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by barbara hudson on Thursday January 30 2020, @02:08AM

        by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Thursday January 30 2020, @02:08AM (#950962) Journal
        Just look for someone with radiation induced brain damage, like the poster. Store it with them, kill 2 birds with one stone.
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    • (Score: 2) by Coward, Anonymous on Thursday January 30 2020, @03:21AM

      by Coward, Anonymous (7017) on Thursday January 30 2020, @03:21AM (#951009) Journal

      Just get some scientists to say that it will most likely last 25k years. At that point the science is settled and turns into established fact.

    • (Score: 2) by ElizabethGreene on Thursday January 30 2020, @04:20AM

      by ElizabethGreene (6748) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 30 2020, @04:20AM (#951026) Journal

      I'd prefer you not send it to the sun for a few reasons.
      1. It would take an astounding amount of energy.
      2. Sometimes rockets explode. I do not want a rocket failure to create a plume of radioactive waste hundreds or thousands of miles long.
      3. If we find some use for the material in the future we can't get it back.

  • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Wednesday January 29 2020, @10:05PM

    by Gaaark (41) on Wednesday January 29 2020, @10:05PM (#950870) Journal

    Nukular waste breaks materials down faster than normal.

    Whoda thunk it?

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  • (Score: 2) by deimtee on Wednesday January 29 2020, @11:55PM

    by deimtee (3272) on Wednesday January 29 2020, @11:55PM (#950909) Journal

    Oz solved the storage problem a long time ago. It's called Synroc. [wikipedia.org]
    Opposition to it is based on a combination of "not invented here" by the pro-nukes and "don't want a solution" by the anti-nukes.

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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by ElizabethGreene on Thursday January 30 2020, @04:32AM (1 child)

    by ElizabethGreene (6748) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 30 2020, @04:32AM (#951029) Journal

    It's dumb that we obsess over our ability to store waste on geological timescales while letting existing waste sit in ponds.

    We're making the choice to stick with a terrible solution because our very good solutions aren't perfect. Yucca Mountain gets an average of 8 inches of rain per year. For it to become an aqueous environment the government maintaining it has to fail, the follow-up government has to not maintain it, groundwater has to infiltrate the impermeable layers above the facility, and the built-in mechanisms for channeling water away from the waste has to fail too. Barring a Noah/Epic of Gilgamesh event the short-lived isotopes will have long since decayed out of the waste long before this becomes an aqueous environment.

    Stop sacrificing the good while you look for the perfect. Kicking the can down the road is going to get people killed. Let's get started Dry Casking ASAP, and get Yucca open already.

    Full Disclosure, as a closet tree hugger I support Nuclear Power.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Muad'Dave on Thursday January 30 2020, @12:33PM

      by Muad'Dave (1413) on Thursday January 30 2020, @12:33PM (#951149)

      How about we stop creating this high level waste (read 'still usable as fuel') and start burning it [whatisnuclear.com] in other reactor designs [nationalgeographic.com]? Our once-thru fuel cycle is a crime - we burn about 1% of the energy in the fuel and then toss the rest on the dung heap.

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