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posted by janrinok on Thursday March 19 2020, @07:39PM   Printer-friendly
from the almost-magic dept.

7.5-inch e-ink display is powered completely by NFC:

NFC (Near Field Communication) is usually only used to for quick text transfers, like a tap-and-pay transaction at a register or a quick data transfer from an NFC sticker. A company called "Waveshare" is really pushing the limits of NFC, though, with a 7.5-inch e-ink display that gets its data, and its power, from an NFC transfer. The $70 display doesn't have a battery and doesn't need a wired power connection.

E-paper (or e-ink) displays have the unique property of not needing power to maintain an image. Once a charge blasts across the display and correctly aligns pixels full of black and white balls, everything will stay where it is when the power turns off, so the image will stick around. You might not have thought about it before, but in addition to data, NFC comes with a tiny wireless power transfer. This display is designed so that NFC provides just enough power to refresh the display during a data transfer, and the e-ink display will hold onto the image afterward.

NFC's power transfer works just like wireless phone charging: the reader (probably your phone) generates an RF field to transfer power to the passive NFC object. NFC stickers (and any other NFC device) have a sizable spiral antenna to harvest the RF signal, just like a wireless charging coil. The amount of power you can transfer over NFC depends on the design of the object and the reader, but Waveshare warns that some phones might not put out enough power. If your phone doesn't work, the company recommends an NFC board that puts out 1.4 watts of power, but Waveshare also shows the device working with a pretty old Android phone, a Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge from 2016.


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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Freeman on Thursday March 19 2020, @07:54PM (14 children)

    by Freeman (732) on Thursday March 19 2020, @07:54PM (#973283) Journal

    I want me something like the Nook SimpleTouch, but that's not obsolete. Nothing too fancy, integration with Barnes and Noble and Amazon would be great. With an easy side loadable library via MicroSD / SD or the like. I also don't want to spend $400 for one. $100 to $150 would be an acceptable range. Though, ideally sub $100 would be nice.

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    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday March 19 2020, @09:23PM (3 children)

      by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Thursday March 19 2020, @09:23PM (#973300)

      What you want sounds a lot like what I want.

      The other problem with E-Ink readers seems to be all the DRM crap the manufacturers want to cram into them.

      • (Score: 4, Informative) by Freeman on Thursday March 19 2020, @09:38PM (2 children)

        by Freeman (732) on Thursday March 19 2020, @09:38PM (#973308) Journal

        You're kinda stuck with it, if you're going with Barnes and Noble/Amazon. Otherwise, there are some publishers that don't do DRM. Not a whole lot, unfortunately, but there are some.

        Examples: Baen Books and Tor Books

        There's likely others, but most opt for the DRM up yours.

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        • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday March 19 2020, @10:18PM (1 child)

          by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Thursday March 19 2020, @10:18PM (#973315)

          Weirdly, I can borrow e-books from my local city library, but they can only lend 5 copies at a time.

          Forced into artificial scarcity by the publishers, as if that is going to help their business or something.

          • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Friday March 20 2020, @02:50PM

            by Freeman (732) on Friday March 20 2020, @02:50PM (#973514) Journal

            If you want to hear things truly obscene. Ask how much they get to pay per year for those things.

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    • (Score: 3, Informative) by takyon on Thursday March 19 2020, @09:34PM (9 children)

      by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Thursday March 19 2020, @09:34PM (#973306) Journal

      How about Kobo [wikipedia.org]?

      The latest models don't have microSD/SD, but you shouldn't have any trouble getting books on there.

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      • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Thursday March 19 2020, @09:52PM (7 children)

        by Freeman (732) on Thursday March 19 2020, @09:52PM (#973311) Journal

        I've looked at them, but until recently I didn't have a need to change as my old SimpleTouch was still hooked in to B&N. Somewhat recently, they discontinued access. So, now, I'm left with side-loading or buying their new one, that doesn't have stellar reviews. Really, I love the SimpleTouch form factor, the side buttons for turn pages really work well. There's nothing particularly wrong with my current one, so I may be stuck hoping that B&N survives long enough to put out another decent ereader. In the end, I may end up trying Kobo, though. They may not have an sd card for loading either, but at least it's plug into your computer, drag and drop.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 19 2020, @11:41PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 19 2020, @11:41PM (#973338)

          It's probably above your target price, but I really love my Kobo Aura One. You need a big pocket to put it in, but the 7.9" 300DPI screen is great to read from. Waterproof, wifi, and reads everything. Pay the extra and get the 'Sleepcover'.

          The newer Forma model also looks nice but I haven't seen one in real life yet.

        • (Score: 2) by takyon on Monday March 23 2020, @12:23PM (5 children)

          by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Monday March 23 2020, @12:23PM (#974392) Journal

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobo_Inc. [wikipedia.org]

          Kobo does have a marketplace boasting 6 million legitimate ebooks and audiobooks, including some free titles.

          You may also be able to "lend ebooks" from libraries:

          https://help.kobo.com/hc/en-us/articles/360017677053-Borrow-eBooks-from-the-public-library-using-your-Kobo-eReader [kobo.com]

          You can find plenty of places for illicit ebooks, Library Genesis [wikipedia.org] being one. Calibre [wikipedia.org] can be used to manage the transfer of ebooks to your device.

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          • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Monday March 23 2020, @03:01PM (4 children)

            by Freeman (732) on Monday March 23 2020, @03:01PM (#974430) Journal

            I indeed may give kobo a go sometime, but probably not sometime real soon. While it's interesting to note that Library Genesis exists, I'm not looking for shady sources.

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            • (Score: 2) by takyon on Monday March 23 2020, @03:15PM (2 children)

              by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Monday March 23 2020, @03:15PM (#974442) Journal

              It's cool in the shade.

              Also, I would like to see some color e-ink already.

              https://goodereader.com/blog/electronic-readers/e-ink-and-wacom-have-just-unveiled-a-new-type-of-color-e-paper [goodereader.com]

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              • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Monday March 23 2020, @05:17PM (1 child)

                by Freeman (732) on Monday March 23 2020, @05:17PM (#974483) Journal

                That is really interesting and would have me excited, but every time I think Wacom, I think $*. Wacom is high-end, expensive tech / brand, because Wacom. Seems like I'll be waiting another 10 years to see, if an affordable solution comes out.

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                • (Score: 2) by takyon on Monday March 23 2020, @07:36PM

                  by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Monday March 23 2020, @07:36PM (#974550) Journal

                  These new E Ink screens will start to undergo mass production in Q2 of 2020 and will be ready for finished products in Q3 2020. This means that we might finally see color e-paper used by major companies such as Boyue, Onyx Books, Sony and SuperNote. Wacom said all of the big guys will be using their tech and already have a series of hard confirmed orders.

                  AFAIK the company known as E Ink [wikipedia.org] supplies 100% of the screens used by the e-reader/e-paper industry, including Amazon, Kobo, and Nook.

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            • (Score: 3, Interesting) by deimtee on Tuesday March 24 2020, @09:56AM

              by deimtee (3272) on Tuesday March 24 2020, @09:56AM (#974871) Journal

              If you just want to read, I recommend one of the big screen Kobos, Aura One or Forma. About as awkward to carry as a thin 'Trade' paperback, waterproof (60min @ 2m), really nice backlight and they read everything except amazon drm. Use calibre to break it and they can read that too. Drag and drop as a usb storage device, or manage it through Calibe or Kobo software
              Huge book storage and a long battery life. Nice choice of fonts and type sizes. If you want to get into it you can over-ride the e-books builtin style with your own prefs for font / size / margins.
              The cpu might be a bit underpowered for web surfing, but that doesn't matter for reading. The screen updates as fast as you could flip a page. My main complaint would be that there isn't a way to easily resize graphics.* At 300 dpi many diagrams, maps, and pics are too small to easily see. It can do nice graphics, but it's really designed for text.

              Their advertising claims that they surveyed a lot of book readers and built their wishlist device. As a long-time prolific reader I can believe it, they didn't compromise on any reading feature in order to do other stuff.

              *this may have changed. Mine is 4 years old and I haven't updated the software. I really should do that.

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      • (Score: 2) by kazzie on Friday March 20 2020, @01:13PM

        by kazzie (5309) Subscriber Badge on Friday March 20 2020, @01:13PM (#973464)

        Some later models lacked an external SD slot, but still had one inside, if you opened the case: https://goodereader.com/blog/electronic-readers/the-kobo-glo-hd-has-an-sd-card [goodereader.com]

  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 19 2020, @09:35PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 19 2020, @09:35PM (#973307)

    E-paper (or e-ink) displays have the unique property of not needing power to maintain an image.

    This is certainly an interesting and useful property of e-ink displays but it is certainly not unique to them...

    For example, off the top of my head, flippy dot displays [wikipedia.org] (a much older technology) typically also do not require power to maintain an image...

    • (Score: 2) by dwilson on Friday March 20 2020, @02:47AM

      by dwilson (2599) Subscriber Badge on Friday March 20 2020, @02:47AM (#973390) Journal

      E-ink is prevalent in the sense that anyone with a modern e-reader at least knows the term and even those without one have probably encountered it and know what it is. "flippy dot" is something I have never heard of before and never given any thought to, despite (after clicking on your wikipedia link and so being able to recognize) having seen it before.

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  • (Score: 1) by anubi on Friday March 20 2020, @02:19AM (5 children)

    by anubi (2828) on Friday March 20 2020, @02:19AM (#973375) Journal

    Do you think this technology is viable for making automotive Instrument clusters?

    I would love to be able to reconfigure my display in the event of something gone amiss, and would rather not drag out my OBD2 stuff.

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    • (Score: 2) by dwilson on Friday March 20 2020, @02:47AM (4 children)

      by dwilson (2599) Subscriber Badge on Friday March 20 2020, @02:47AM (#973392) Journal

      Instrument clusters typically need to update much, much faster than any e-ink display I've ever worked with. If they can get the refresh rate up there, I agree it would be a -killer- application for it, though.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 20 2020, @03:20AM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 20 2020, @03:20AM (#973397)

        Thanks... I am still working on HMI for my Arduinos, and am always looking for ways of reducing complexity, connections, and power.

        I am quite thankful janrinok ran this one. I will probably buy one of those eval kits and see if there is some way of making a simple way of displaying data from Arduinos graphically without consuming the battery.

        Like mimicking a Nextion HMI....

        • (Score: 2) by dwilson on Friday March 20 2020, @04:08AM (1 child)

          by dwilson (2599) Subscriber Badge on Friday March 20 2020, @04:08AM (#973406) Journal

          I've got a mid-1980's Nissan pickup with an RPi in it, with a bunch of custom sensors feeding data to it. Currently it streams it to an apache page which a smart-phone sitting on the console can display. If you come up with a better plan, I'd love to see it and maybe work to improve on it.

          I'm working to modify a stock dash with GM-style stepper motors driven by an Arduino, but haven't gotten very far on that project. What is this eval kit you refer to? Link?

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          • (Score: 1) by anubi on Friday March 20 2020, @11:14AM

            by anubi (2828) on Friday March 20 2020, @11:14AM (#973448) Journal

            Eval kit:

            https://www.waveshare.com/7.5inch-NFC-e-Paper-Eval-Kit.htm [waveshare.com]

            And I already have another instrument cluster mechanically, although not electrically drop- in, compatible with my van.

            It is my goal to rebuild the instrument cluster so it's all driven via I2C, then I can program the gauges to read like I want them to read, and get both tach and speedo known accurate. Also I want my speedo to show me individual glow plug currents during the wait-to-start interval.

            Look up the National LM1819 for how to drive the speedo and tach display...however I intend to use DAC (MAX521) driving Howland current sources to do this.

            I'd like to repurpose the tach for other things by just telling my Arduino what to route to it, and I'd like to have my software help me in the event someone tries to steal my van, mimic all sorts of odd problems, make it so frustrating no one would want such a mess of problems. Also discourage these businesses that require valet parking. I'll fix it so they will "break" it so I can have some fun with them. Let em drive it six feet, then shut it down. Yeh, I've kinda got a mean streak in me when someone else thinks he can force me to give him my keys.

            Also discourages those who try to "be my friend" to get free van rental. Everyone who owns a pickup truck knows exactly what I am talking about. Some people seem to come out of nowhere get their head in front of you, hock up their request, and expect you to hand over the keys. Yeh, the same ones that will give others the finger when the don't need a favor. If anything, I'll get a top off of diesel, as the gauge will read empty.

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      • (Score: 2) by Hyperturtle on Friday March 20 2020, @01:13PM

        by Hyperturtle (2824) on Friday March 20 2020, @01:13PM (#973463)

        I agree, these are more static, although usually easy to read.

        These might be good for smaller displays that have things like compass direction, temperature sensor readings, "check engine light" details, etc.

        They could be a complimentary display component to keep the main "good" screen from being too cluttered with occasional or infrequently changing data.

        I myself have been looking at these for various small projects, and the utility of them is not for anything that sees changes that require a refresh or update within a few seconds. A virtual flip-clock, for example -- or to act as the screen for a home thermometer hub where you can add a zillion sensors to an arduino or raspberry pi cheapo device deployment in the home, and get transmissions to a central device that can then display room or zoning temps.

        (or just buy an oregon scientific hub and its inexpensive units for strategic placement around the house...)

        Lots of people are disappointed with these screens, and some of the forum comments elsewhere belie that fact--people can't see past how their cell phone screen works -- but in the right location they can be pretty neat or too advertisy. Consider dynamic menus on tables at restaurants, prices for things in stores and replacing some signage, or those places that have shopping cart screens that show ads as you shop... or elevator panels that show ads as you are trapped... or gas station pump screens showing ads for their private brand card or junk food that you can't avoid without getting back into your car... or whatever wherever screens that abusively show us ads no matter where we go and what we do? These are cheaper than the existing color flatpanels often in use now that frequently don't change much more than just showing a number of slides on a carousel rotation...)

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