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Three US Navy carriers deployed to Indo-Pacific waters:
The Trump administration deployed the USS Ronald Reagan, USS Theodore Roosevelt and the USS Nimitz to the region, with each containing more than 60 aircraft.
[...] The Chinese government, which has also increased its military presence in the region, responded swiftly, warning that “countermeasures” could be taken against the US.
[...] The USS Ronald Reagan and the USS Theodore Roosevelt are currently patrolling in the western Pacific, while the USS Nimitz is in the east, according to US Navy press releases.
It’s an unusual move; the last deployment of US aircraft carriers in the Pacific of this size was back in 2017, when tensions with North Korea over nuclear weapons were peaking.
The US launched the deployment on June 4, after a coronavirus outbreak forced the USS Roosevelt into port in Guam in March, which saw more than 1000 of the ship's nearly 4900-member crew test positive for the virus.
[...] “Carriers and carrier strike groups writ large are phenomenal symbols of American naval power. I really am pretty fired up that we’ve got three of them at the moment,” said Rear Admiral Stephen Koehler, director of operations at Indo-Pacific Command in Hawaii.
[...] “By massing these aircraft carriers, the US is attempting to demonstrate to the whole region and even the world that it remains the most powerful naval force, as they could enter the South China Sea and threaten Chinese troops on the Xisha and Nansha islands (Paracel and Spratly Islands) as well as vessels passing through nearby waters, so the US could carry out its hegemonic politics,” the Global Times report quoted Li Jie, a Beijing-based naval expert, as saying.
It also noted that Beijing could hold drills in response to show off its firepower.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 19 2020, @05:29AM (1 child)
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 19 2020, @05:52AM
I can't wait. The Averice-ones must be kept in check at all times.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 19 2020, @06:39AM (11 children)
As opposed to Chinese hegemonic desires that would limit Vietnam, Thailand, Philippines, etc to being unable to fish land considered traditionally theirs.
(Score: 1) by pTamok on Friday June 19 2020, @07:25AM (5 children)
China has no hegemonic desires. China wishes to restore balance and harmony in the region by restoring the situation to the historic norm where China controlled most of the region, which was forcibly taken from it by imperialists and other enemies of the Central Kingdom.
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The above is the Chinese point of view. I make no claim that it is correct, but it can sometimes help to understand other's point of view, even if you do not agree with it.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by khallow on Friday June 19 2020, @11:36AM (1 child)
A country has fabricated a point of view that supports its interests. Who knew they could do that?
(Score: 1) by pTamok on Sunday June 21 2020, @04:27PM
Apparently the possibility that the Chinese government may be being 'economical with the actualité' will indeed come as surprising news to a significant number of Chinese citizens. Trying to inform them of this is taken by the Chinese government as 'interfering in its internal affairs', and therefore, diplomatically speaking, verboten.
(Score: 4, Touché) by quietus on Friday June 19 2020, @12:27PM
(Score: 3, Informative) by tangomargarine on Saturday June 20 2020, @08:10PM (1 child)
They call that Revanchism [wikipedia.org], and it's basically how we got WWII: Hitler was in WWI and got pissy because German lost, among other reasons. Fast forward a handful of years and he's the guy starting the next big war.
They had a hegemony there before. So wanting to restore your hegemony isn't "hegemonic desires"?
I mean yeah, but damn, could you sound more like propaganda?
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 1) by pTamok on Sunday June 21 2020, @04:30PM
Thank you for the technical term covering this.
As for sounding like propaganda: if you noticed: Well Done! Unfortunately for many, it is not propaganda, it is The Truth.
Will it look/sound more like propaganda if I make it less, or more, believable?
(Score: 5, Funny) by driverless on Friday June 19 2020, @10:15AM (3 children)
Wouldn't it just be much easier if Trump and Xi went behind a discreet curtain with a ruler and sorted it out that way? And if there's any doubt they could get Stormy Daniels to adjudicate, I hear she's familiar with at least some of the equipment.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Friday June 19 2020, @12:52PM (1 child)
That's...gross.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 19 2020, @08:10PM
Film at 11
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday June 19 2020, @08:41PM
Rap Battle! [youtube.com]
No, wait...
Dance Fight [youtu.be]
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by ikanreed on Friday June 19 2020, @05:31PM
Yes, literally as opposed to their hegonomic policies.
Is that worse or better to you in any way?
(Score: 2) by Pav on Friday June 19 2020, @07:35AM (3 children)
...if this is an opportune time because of the Chinese and Indian [youtube.com] clashing in the Himalayas recently, and the troop movements that followed.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 19 2020, @09:57AM (1 child)
I doubt. For all the talk Trump knows he can't get into a war. Democrats would draw him out on "he is trying to start a war before the election" and he will lose two parts of his support base - those who like that he hasn't started a war and those who don't like Indians.
China knows this which is why it captured a sizable and critical chunk of the region while India army is struggling with COVID 19 outbreak. A 'peace' now is basically India letting go of that region which is now de-facto under Chinese control.
The reason that region is important is because it allows China access to Pakistani ports cutting India altogether from its dominance in the Indian ocean. It also allows China to block all of India's connections to a landmass.
This is the price India has to pay for starting a Non-alignment movement instead of being part of NATO and decimating Pakistan when it had the chance.
(Score: 5, Informative) by khallow on Friday June 19 2020, @01:44PM
"Critical" to what? And "sizable" isn't. For example [indianexpress.com]:
I don't know what the end game to this move is, but your post greatly exaggerates a number of things.
Even if India were to lose the entirely of the Kashmir region, they would still be part of the Asian continent and thus have connections to a landmass. And China already has access to the Indian Ocean due to its many connections with the Pacific Ocean.
Decimating Pakistan with what and with what pretext?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by richtopia on Friday June 19 2020, @04:26PM
I believe so. India most likely called on the USA to back them if the war were to get hot. By moving naval vessels into the Indian Ocean the USA is picking a side without officially picking a side.
This also could allow the USA to maintain more visibility to any potential escalation. Satellites are cool, but a drone or operatives on the ground can provide much better intel in realtime.
(Score: 3, Funny) by istartedi on Friday June 19 2020, @07:45AM (1 child)
It also noted that Beijing could hold drills in response to show off its firepower.
I could not help but picture that as looking something like this [freepik.com]
Appended to the end of comments you post. Max: 120 chars.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Friday June 19 2020, @11:58AM
It's about that threatening, yes - she could do some damage, but not on this [forbes.com] scale.
🌻🌻 [google.com]
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 19 2020, @09:18AM (4 children)
trump is going to start ww3
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 19 2020, @11:21AM (1 child)
Well, WW3 will happen eventually. Best to get on with it now and get it over with. At least "Mad Max" is still fresh in my head, so I'll have a better understanding of what to do.
(Score: 2) by looorg on Friday June 19 2020, @01:44PM
So you know how to shovel pigshit then?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by hendrikboom on Friday June 19 2020, @12:58PM
Better dead than lose an election?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 21 2020, @01:43PM
China already tried - several times
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 19 2020, @12:57PM (3 children)
It seems surreal that the US and China can buy cool stuff from the other side and also be in a position to blow them up.
A US admiral is "..really am pretty fired up that we’ve got three..". I'd rather he be concerned but ready.
The US and USSR were old hands at conducting shoving matches at sea. China's Navy is not experienced at this dangerous game. (This is not clubs with spikes.) Stuff happens and there is no guarantee for a good ending.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 19 2020, @06:55PM
Irans navy might intervene... by making everyone laugh to death.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 20 2020, @08:40AM
Even during the height of the cold war there was various kinds of trade between the US and Russia. Even right now today I can find items labelled 'Made in Russia' on the store shelves of the ethnic specialized grocery stores here.
For all of our talk of nationalism and superiority, free trade has always flowed in all but the most direct conflicts. It may be tariffed or restricted or unduly burdened with regulations, but it almost nevers stops completely, even if they make it hard on one country's exports income.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by tangomargarine on Saturday June 20 2020, @08:04PM
This is what really rankles me in quotes like this. I guess the bluster plays well with idiots, but I don't want our military commanders itching for a fight. Instead of bragging about who has the biggest dick, or the most aircraft carriers, or the best missiles or whatever, they should be shutting the hell up and thinking "if I get us into a war, how many thousands or millions of deaths will be my fault?"
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Friday June 19 2020, @01:06PM (2 children)
There doesn't seem to be much reason for this other than the routine "brushing back" the US has been doing with China for the last 40 years. In the late 90's Beijing started firing missiles across the Strait of Taiwan to try to intimidate it into re-unification talks. The US sailed a carrier battle group up and down the strait for a week or so to tell Beijing to quit it.
As noted upthread, the impetus for this could be China's recent clash with India. China has been trying to establish hegemony with its base construction on the Spratleys and with its "One Belt, One Road" project, without the US doing much to counter. So you could even say this move is overdue.
The trick for Beijing is, building hegemony the way they are is fantastically expensive. And the cracks are beginning to show. For example, China recently arm-twisted Sri Lanka into handing it a port [reuters.com]. It's running roughshod over its "partners" in Africa, too, to extract more value than what they put in. All those places have been to the colonization rodeo before, and are not happy. A deft hand at foreign policy would use that to rope China in, but China has blunted that kind of response so far by subverting Western governments across the board.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 19 2020, @02:10PM (1 child)
Whatever you do, pay NO attention to the
storieslies from John Bolton's book.(Score: 3, Touché) by Phoenix666 on Friday June 19 2020, @06:15PM
Look over here! A nincompoop! Scary!
Whatever you do, pay NO attention to what China is doing.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by legont on Saturday June 20 2020, @02:57AM
I don't think the US will be able to Perl Harbor China. They are not that stupid. Besides, arcraft carriers have no use but to scare papuas.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Saturday June 20 2020, @03:32PM (1 child)
The question on everyones mind is, how valuable is an aircraft carrier in contemporary warfare?
China has put its money into a large number of submarines and missile cruisers, and missile tech. So has russia.
I dont think anyone wants to deal with china without the usa in the mix, so this would be the entire world against china in a war, but if the carrier groups cannot take down 10000 missiles and torpedoes at the same time, the first carrier group that goes down, ever, will be devastating.
I want to believe the united states is better, and it is true I would prefer to live, as yet, in the usa or europe rather than china, but if totalitarian policies continue(operated by israeli traitors and other foreign oligarchs who hang out with epstein), it will become more and more difficult to convince anyone to resist chinese bribery, influence and waifus.
So when I write critically of the united states, and out their totalitarian polciies, and what traitorous israelis are doing, it is not for fun and show or fashion or because I have some grudge against jewish people.
Everything we consider freedom is at stake, everything every american patriot has ever died for is at stake.
And I for one would rather go down with that ship than live in any world without it.
That said, I do not believe a country like the united states can fight china if multiculturalism has chinese and israeli spies all over the place sabatoging infrastructure, so this very conflict may necessitate totalitarian measures. Sadly, however, this risk their permanent installment and misuse in the future.
So I would sure like to see the us miliitary take out all of the pedos and traitors, and do something honorable with all of that power, rather than selling out the country as it appears many in the trump administration are doing, as evidenced by epstein.
"how many of our 12 year old girls must be raped by rich psychos for national security" is apparently how some people think, and i for one would prefer to see all of those people deported, at the very least.
China is big enough for everyone for whom "everything has its price" as far as I am concerned.
As of today, I can still see two different sides in this, but the day may come where I do not.....
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 20 2020, @07:58PM
if you had stopped halfway through this wouldn't have wandered into the weeds and turned into -1 Crazy
those chinese israeli pedos raping our daughters!