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Trump Freezes Green Cards, Many Work Visas Until End Of Year:
President Trump on Monday extended a freeze on green cards for new immigrants and signed an executive order to suspend new H-1B, L-1, J and other temporary work visas for skilled workers, managers and au pairs through the end of the year.
The goal of the move is to protect 525,000 jobs as part of the White House response to job losses caused by the coronavirus pandemic, said a senior administration official, who spoke to reporters on the condition of anonymity. NPR first reported the impending order on Saturday.
"Americans have been hurt through no fault of their own due to the coronavirus," the official said. "And the president is prioritizing getting them back into the labor supply and getting them to work and standing on their own two feet again."
[...] But other workers will also be affected, including foreign au pairs who provide child care. Professors and scholars are not to be included in the order, the official said. There will be a provision to request exemptions. The order is not expected to affect immigrants and visa holders already in the United States.
[...] The order did not apply to H-2A agriculture workers, who Trump says are necessary to ensure grocery store shelves remain stocked with fruits and vegetables. Health care workers involved in treating coronavirus patients will also be exempt.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @02:27AM (21 children)
Now you might think with no H-1Bs, the tech industry will be forced to hire all those formerly unemployable highly skilled Americans who allegedly just didn't have any skills last week according to the industry standard rejection letter that all tech companies send to every American applicant.
You would be wrong.
The problem is not that the tech industry refuses to hire Americans. The problem is that the tech industry refuses to hire anyone at all. The problem is that the tech industry is built entirely upon fraud. You will see the fraud for what it is when the tech industry mysteriously doesn't collapse while H-1Bs become impossible and Americans tech workers remain unemployable.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @02:52AM (11 children)
H-1B is fraud fodder
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Arik on Wednesday June 24 2020, @04:10AM (10 children)
It may well be, but there's a bigger problem.
The reason companies like H-1Bs is that they're captive laborers. They don't get to negotiate, they don't get to accept a better job, they either do exactly as they are told or they get deported.
This shouldn't be tolerated, not only because it takes jobs away from Americans, but because we do not permit involuntary servitude within our borders.
If these H-1Bs are truly needed, then give them a proper green card.
Either way, H-1B should be ended, permanently.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @05:15AM (3 children)
Do you actually even know the conditions for H1B? The IT companies are misusing them, but there are other people who could use H1B properly.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @06:19AM
Do *you* know the conditions? Have you ever wondered why there's entry level positions that require years of experience as well as experience with various industry-only tools and technologies, yet still pay entry level salaries? It's somewhat of a nonstarter. And that's intentional.
"We tried and advertised. Nope - we definitely can't fill this job."
This is the problem about rules and regulations that make otherwise bad ideas sound okay. People (and companies) will just find a way to skirt the rules, getting to embrace that bad sounding idea without those pesky rules.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @03:10PM (1 child)
There is no proper use for a visa that's tied to a specific employer with no ability to change jobs without having to leave the country. It's an inherently abusive position to be in where the worker effectively has to take the conditions the employer is offering and in many cases are under immense pressure to not use the benefits given.
Yes, there are situations where there's a legitimate need to bring in employees from out of the country, but the program itself is deeply problematic even if they do manage to crack down on the various bad actors, you'd still be left with employees that effectively have no rights as they can't enforce the rights they have without risking deportation.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 25 2020, @02:10AM
I used to work for a small company where the owner did exploit people on the H-1 B Visas. There was this one very qualified person from another country that had her Master's in Accounting with many years of experience, English was like her fifth language and within a couple months she spoke it insanely well (better than many natives I would say), and pretty much everyone agreed she was by far the most intelligent person among us (I, for one, speak two other languages fluidly but not proficiently). She was intelligent in many many subjects. But she pretty much got paid minimum wage, worked long hours, no benefits, and didn't get paid overtime rates when she worked overtime (well, he didn't pay anyone overtime rates when they worked overtime).
She eventually ended up going back to her own country (slightly after I left the company) and probably went back to the accounting firm she used to work for before coming to the U.S on the visa. The owner just got someone else from another country to abuse after and the cycle repeats itself over and over. Most everyone just goes back to their own country though at least one person did manage to eventually get his green card(?) after many years of being in the states (prior to me working for the company) and ended up leaving the company, going to school, and doing Lyft full time until he eventually got a better job (I'm sure he still goes to school as well but I haven't really kept up with him). He was on his way out of the company just as I was starting. The owner quite literally yelled at this person very loudly for doing basically nothing wrong at times. I suppose this person figured Lyft was better than working for my prior employer and left the company to do Lyft as soon as he was legally able to work in the U.S.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @10:12AM (3 children)
This goes well beyond H-1B visas. So much of academia is built on exploitation, including the very thing you're describing.
There are a lot of foreign grad students, many from China and India, working in university labs. Pay is almost always horrendous for grad students whether they're domestic or international students. Faculty have the power to terminate assistantships without cause. For foreign students on J-1 visas, that usually means losing their visas and having to leave the country fairly quickly. The threat of having the assistantship revoked allows faculty to harass and abuse grad students or exploit them in ways like imposing excessively long work hours. If the student speaks up, they're at risk of losing their assistantship as retaliation.
American grad students and postdocs are still subject to abuse but the leverage just isn't quite as strong. The threat is more along the lines of having to go to a different university or perhaps being blacklisted through a bad reference. This is still quite common, but the leverage isn't quite as strong against domestic students and postdocs.
Academia is built on exploitation, whether it's grad students, postdocs, or adjunct faculty. The administrators cover up abuses and keep pay down for these groups while they're raising tuition and collecting salaries at least well into the six figure range. And if you're a faculty member who brings in a lot of grant (and F&A) money, you can get away with just about anything. Foreign students on J-1 visas who are funded by their advisors or departments might actually be subject to more exploitation than even people on H-1B visas.
We shouldn't tolerate involuntary servitude and exploitation. But the issues run far deeper than H-1B visas.
By the way, I work in academia. I've a postdoc. I've either directly witnessed or personally experienced everything I've described in this post. The abuses are rampant.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @11:37AM
i hope your "apple" falls far from the tree ...
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @02:50PM
Recently dug this out for another story here, Camile Pagila in 2011:
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @02:59PM
The abusive faculty are condemned to a lifetime of bullying Chinese 21-year olds. Nobody else can stand working with them.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Wednesday June 24 2020, @02:03PM (1 child)
Wait . . . we don't? When did that happen?
When trying to solve a problem don't ask who suffers from the problem, ask who profits from the problem.
(Score: 2) by ikanreed on Wednesday June 24 2020, @05:10PM
We should be understood to be "We the people" not the shitty government that's increasingly incapable of navigating the 21st century.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Wednesday June 24 2020, @03:52AM (3 children)
The tech industry won't die because they're both in bed with our "deep state" but also taking money from Chicoms and our so-called "allies" in the Middle-East. They can be kept alive as long as black budgets and slush funds are a thing.
But if we can get more Americans in, it will be a good thing because the political diversity within big tech will increase.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @05:52PM (1 child)
people who mod 'troll' just b/c they don't agree should be put ion the firing line.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @06:33PM
Well, there's no -1 Stupid or -1 Wrong, so....
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 25 2020, @06:28PM
Where can I get some of this slush fund money? Do you have any contact info on the deep state? Sounds like a pretty good career, and the opportunity to make slug people angry is icing on that sweet cake.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by driverless on Wednesday June 24 2020, @04:10AM (4 children)
Depends on how much of H1Bs are just cheap labour vs. genuinely irreplaceable people. Blocking H1Bs by assuming an H1B with a PhD in biochemistry can be replaced by Joe the out-of-work meat plant packer from Idaho could end up hurting the US more than it helps.
Still, it looks good on paper and gets votes, so that's the only thing that matters.
(Score: 5, Informative) by edinlinux on Wednesday June 24 2020, @05:34AM
Article and video on how to avoid hiring an American (in America!) so you can get that cheap slave labor brought here from overseas instead..
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2007/6/18/347849/- [dailykos.com]
This is the root of the problem.
It affects everyone in IT, where real median salaries & benefits are down about 50% from what they were in the 90s before the onslaught of cheap H-1B and L1 visa workers from India and other third world countries flooding our shores putting the Americans out of work (or working for cheaper pay).
Like lots of folks, I also had to train my Indian replacement(s) shipped in on H-1Bs several times during my career while I (and the other Americans) were being shown the door...
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @06:38AM
I think that sort of disingenuous suggestion isn't really adding much here. In the US the vast majority of people with STEM degrees do not work in STEM. And beyond this most jobs in STEM don't even really necessitate a STEM degree. On top of this education in India is a bit different than the US. Not only does India has a rampant and extreme problem with cheating at all levels, but they also have a rather different take on grades. Like many places in Asia, their definition of an 'A' is somewhat different than ours. In India it's generally 60-100 = A, 50-59 = B, 40-49 = C.
I'm sure you're probably aware of the reputation of Indian software developers. It's not just a meme. They are genuinely awful on average. That doesn't mean all Indian developers are, by any means, but you are going to get a biased sample when you think about the guys whose career decision is to go build products for mediocre wages and less than desirable working conditions under billion dollar multinationals. "They're not sending us their best." So I don't know about Joe meat packer, but all other things being equal, I'd generally take a chemistry undergrad from a good US school over your average Indian biochem doctorate.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Wednesday June 24 2020, @02:11PM
That is probably a true statement on its face. However I suspect it represents a small minority of H1B's. That may be the justification for having the H1B program. However corporate America has twisted that beyond any resemblance to that purpose of obtaining someone with an important and obscure skill which cannot be obtained within the US.
When trying to solve a problem don't ask who suffers from the problem, ask who profits from the problem.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @03:14PM
We've been overproducing virtually all of the necessary workers for those jobs for decades. There are tons of people out there right now with doctorates and nowhere to actually use them. If there's legitimately a shortage of candidates with a particular skill set, then there needs to be some sort of a program in place to address the issue.
We've got a separate program for individuals that are highly qualified or brilliant. There is no cap on the number of those visas that are handed out, the only limitation is that you have to meet the relevant standards to get one. The H1B visa program is supposed to address shortages in the labor pool, but given the way that the education system has been mismanaged and the way that the visa program itself is mismanaged, it just serves to depress the number of people that are training to go into those fields. Why bother training to go into one of those fields if you're going to be competing with people that paid far less for their degree and don't need the level of income that you need?
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @02:31AM (16 children)
As an IT worker that had his pay reduced of 20% because non-citizens work for cheaper, I applaud this! It's about time! H1Bs and all of the other pay suppressing programs need to be gotten rid of.
If the industry responds by outsourcing more to foreign countries, I hope they like the insecurity and get their asses sued for it.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @02:43AM (2 children)
Yes, I agree. Pay-suppressing programs need to go away. We should overthrow capitalism.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @06:59PM
Good plan, then we can all retire to a life of starvation instead.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @07:14PM
... Poe's Law man, Poe's Law.
(Score: 2) by legont on Wednesday June 24 2020, @02:46AM (8 children)
Note that L visas are frozen too. No more bloody British managers excaping Brexit.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 4, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @03:00AM (7 children)
Too bad, who will teach you writing in English now?
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @03:08AM (4 children)
Comeon man, everyone knows that "excaping" means removing your cape.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday June 24 2020, @05:41AM (2 children)
Actually it doesn't.
The proper word for "removing one's cape" is decaping (not to be confused with decapping [wikipedia.org] or uncapping [wikipedia.org]).
Excaping means "putting a cape on one's ex"
(I'm compelled to bloody agree with the AC, having Poms as managers does wonders for English proficiency - small grin)
For the obvious-impaired, here you have it -> (large grin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Thursday June 25 2020, @03:44AM (1 child)
Where is the mod point for "+1, Pedant" ??
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @03:30AM
He used them all up. :)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @03:05PM
> Comeon man, everyone knows that "excaping" means removing your max.
FTFY
(Score: 3, Informative) by legont on Wednesday June 24 2020, @12:41PM
Forgive me, bro, but
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ex-caping [urbandictionary.com]
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @03:17PM
To be fair, if it were a British poster, it would have be euxucuaupuiunugu. Fucking Brits and their overuse of the letter u.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday June 24 2020, @06:23AM (1 child)
If you imagine they'll raise back your pay, you're daydreaming.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 3, Interesting) by legont on Wednesday June 24 2020, @12:52PM
It gives a reasonable chance to switch jobs with a 30% raise though.
Let me tell you how hiring works in many cases nowadays as I once went through the process myself.
1. Try to find the resource to work offshore - 2 months.
2. If not available/refuses, try to bring the resource on H1 - 1 month (sometimes they offer up to 6 months "training" in the US)
3. If does not work, hire local for any money
Each step doubles to tipples the compensation.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @06:07PM (1 child)
if they outsource jobs, shoot their CEOs in the face.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 25 2020, @04:02AM
Not necessarily a bad idea.
It will certainly earn you three hots and a cot plus a roof over your head, and free clothes and healthcare for quite a few years.
YMMV.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @02:42AM (8 children)
The looter president declared we the billionaires can't have our slave labor caste? Well fuck this shit, America can burn to the fucking ground. I hope the orange monkey man coughs to death with his lungs full of coronavirus.
- every Libertarian
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @03:03AM (2 children)
Have they found that inexhaustible cheap source of energy yet? Otherwise it's only a bluff.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday June 24 2020, @02:14PM (1 child)
If they could capture the hot air from orange man speeches.
When trying to solve a problem don't ask who suffers from the problem, ask who profits from the problem.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @03:45AM
This divisiveness is getting very tiring.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @03:06AM (2 children)
Libertarian presidential nominee visits Twin Cities for Juneteenth, George Floyd memorial [lp.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @03:13AM (1 child)
Yeah, and Romney wants to only pick a black female running mate. Not for anything important... like qualifications, but only for the reason of k̶i̶s̶s̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶s̶o̶m̶e̶ ̶b̶l̶a̶c̶k̶ ̶v̶o̶t̶e̶r̶ ̶a̶s̶s̶e̶s̶ racial equality.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @03:36AM
Why Romney Marched [theatlantic.com] - Trump mocks Mitt Romney’s participation in George Floyd protests [nypost.com]
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @03:50AM (1 child)
I hope the orange monkey man coughs to death with his lungs full of coronavirus
He will have to beat 'likes to smell children' to do it.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @10:53AM
Unsealed documents from a Trump/Epstein civil suit claimed that Trump raped a girl Epstein brought to a party that they both had oral sex with, then after they were finished Trump threatened not only her but her family if she ever spoke about it to the government, press, etc. Even though it should have qualified despite the statute of limitations due to the credible threat of violence, the judge threw it out because it was 10-20 years old.
Basically ya'll R's elected yourself a really 'Slick Willy' Republican. In fact if you look at their travel records Trump and Clinton were probably slicking their willies together, given the company they both kept and the circles they shared. Maybe the holes too.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @04:46AM (3 children)
Probably 4 years too late, but about time...
Google "how not to hire an american' for everything on this scam..
(Score: 4, Informative) by edinlinux on Wednesday June 24 2020, @05:39AM
There's lots on in those google results.. this particular link was really insightful (video and article instructing how to disqualify Americans so you can get a (cheaper) H-1B instead and get rid of your Americans)
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2007/6/18/347849/- [dailykos.com]
(Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday June 24 2020, @03:34PM
It is well on time for the upcoming election.
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(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @07:05PM
When the economy was recovering and we were down around 4% unemployment pretty much everywhere was having an issue with hiring, my employer was unable to find a programmer and we offer 85k/year starting + pension + health care. We chose to not fill the position rather than push for a worker from India at a lower price (unlike the other snakes out there). With the economy in the shitter and unemployment at an all time high due to the pandemic we need to restrict companies from trying to hire from outside. I would have preferred this all along, but its necessary now.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @05:15AM (13 children)
Finally, that AC who is always bitching about there being no IT jobs, will finally get an IT job. But I suspect the reason for his not getting job was incompetence and complete lack of humanity, in otherwords, a neo-nazi alt-right libertariantard incel asshole of the first, and second, degrees. I wish him well. But I do not thing this is going to end well. Pres is calling out the tear gas again. Going to order cities, and states, and the Super Court. Cannot read the constitution, or walk down mildly inclining ramps, like our poor "no IT jobs" guy. Sad.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by c0lo on Wednesday June 24 2020, @06:34AM (2 children)
No, he won't. There'll be jobs for cable monkey, but not as a programmer, that's what he was whinging for.
I mean... look... WFH showed that telecommuting is OK, so if a keyboard monkey is OK to get in daily meetings @ wee-hours in the morning and does his job, one doesn't even need a visa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 4, Interesting) by zocalo on Wednesday June 24 2020, @07:43AM (1 child)
Once firms realise - assuming that they haven't done so - that this approach can also allow for US-based managers to task outsourced overseas workers in the evening and have the work done when they get back into the office the following morning, it's a slam dunk. As a bonus, there's less HR paperwork (further headcount reductions!), and having fewer local employees removes also some of the bad press that tech companies are getting for their employees driving up house prices/rentals. Stopping H1-Bs solves part of the problem, but unless the other shoe drops and there is a clamp down on overseas outsourcing as well I suspect it's going to do a lot more harm than good - once those jobs have gone overseas they are almost certainly not going to be coming back.
UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
(Score: 3, Interesting) by quan2mst8 on Wednesday June 24 2020, @11:47AM
It sounds great to the management class. They've tried it before, but it didn't work out.
There are several reasons:
1. Lower standards - Indian firms have a lower standard of work and work acceptability. This can remedied over time, similar to Chinese steel works, but it's not ready yet.
2. Lower trust and enforcement - IP is everything to an IT based business, as much as I hate the current IP regime in Western countries, they provide no protections from a firm stealing your work/ideas and presenting them as their own and then presenting them both in the US and the Indian markets.
3. Collaboration - Currently, due to the lower level of acceptable work, the ability of Indian firms to collaborate is terrible. Resulting in poor attainment of deadlines and the use of at least twice as many people. This further lowers the standard code quality by increasing the inefficiency of production through the network effect of communication.
It's a threat on the horizon, and it's got a tail wind heading straight for us. Take advantage of the lead and get yourself out of dependence of those who own the capital, or you too will be more grist for the mill.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @12:50PM (7 children)
He can have my job. Sounds like he's qualified. Your bullying won't get under his skin the way it got under mine.
What I learned about you social justice bullies is that you do not actually care about getting thos cisfemale programmers. You do not actually care about getting black programmers. When you have somebody in front of you who can check off the menstrual and black boxes, you belittle them and their experience and skills. You don't even let them fucking apply for the job.
Here I am, another one of those incels, trying to convince management to give her a chance. NOPE! So a supposed "incel" (yeah, haven't touched a pussy in my life only because all the guys I've slept with so far have unfortunately had dicks, but maybe the next one will have a pussy, problem is I see people as more than their reproductive organs so that's more like a 3rd date topic for me) who grew up in a white supremacist house is sticking up for somebody who is qualified and simply happens to be female and black, and then you white cis scum social justice bullies have a bajillion and one excuses why her experience isn't authentic or why she's exaggerating her skills or blablabla.
No, all you care about is bullying. All you care about is projecting your own racialism, racism, sexism, and cissexism on to people who care deeply about diversity in IT and are willing to personally take action--even affirmative action to try to correct it. Why? Because your bullying gets under their skin!
It's top kek for you, and it distracts from your own bigotry by creating a scapegoat and excusing yourself.
All that you do is further entrench white supremacy and patriarchy. Fuck you.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Bot on Wednesday June 24 2020, @03:40PM (4 children)
That is the thing with socialists, every issue is but an excuse to advance an agenda. They will flip on any principle faster than you can think possible. Compare x before getting elected to x after election.
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(Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday June 24 2020, @04:03PM (3 children)
Yeah . . .
* BEFORE: Mexico will pay for the wall; AFTER: US Taxpayers will pay for the wall (or citizens will pay through tariffs)
* BEFORE: Repeal and Replace ACA, no cuts to Medicare / Medicaid; AFTER: Some of ACA can stay because (shock) Republicans like it, cut Medicaid causing millions to lose insurance
* BEFORE: Won't touch entitlement programs!; AFTER: Cut Medicaid by 25% and "reform" entitlements
* BEFORE: Won't intervene in Syria; AFTER: Strike the Syrian regime
* BEFORE: Drain the swamp; AFTER: staff the government and white house with lobbyists
Many more examples easily googled.
When trying to solve a problem don't ask who suffers from the problem, ask who profits from the problem.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday June 24 2020, @04:20PM (2 children)
Major logic error here, if I say all x are y I don't imply that any not x is not y.
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Wednesday June 24 2020, @06:22PM (1 child)
Take the original line:
I think I can simply replace socialists with Republicans and the statement is equally true.
When trying to solve a problem don't ask who suffers from the problem, ask who profits from the problem.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Friday June 26 2020, @08:37PM
The Republican usually follows the announced plans, it cheats on the outcome. Also, they do not align as tightly to The One Truth. Morally speaking, that is irrelevant, both cheaters, practically speaking they are easier to decode.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @04:32PM
Is this an example of what you mean?
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1275527886510927872/pu/vid/1280x720/al30iZcY_tnCBqn-.mp4?tag=10 [twimg.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 25 2020, @06:40PM
So calling people out for their racist bullshit is social justice bullying?
Top 'kek' indeed, definitely a rand worthy rant.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday June 24 2020, @04:08PM (1 child)
Wait !?! . . . so, um, you're suggesting there is more than one AC ?
I thought there was only one, but with multiple personality disorder. Is there evidence to discredit my theory in favor of there being multiple actual ACs? And different IP addresses don't count.
Get a nym. Sometimes they are even offered at a fraction of their normal cost. If you have something to say, use a nym. It doesn't have to represent your real identity.
It's just that one AC talking about another AC seems to cross some kind of line. Like an AC replying saying they are not "the original AC" or "the other AC".
When trying to solve a problem don't ask who suffers from the problem, ask who profits from the problem.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 25 2020, @04:09AM
Don't go all Ray's Pizza [wikipedia.org] on us, DannyB.
(Score: 3, Funny) by kazzie on Wednesday June 24 2020, @08:32AM (1 child)
Everybody knows that they should be frozen within hours of picking to keep the flavour in.
No, wait: that's green peas...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @01:19PM
Don't worry, you're not the first one to make that mistake.
Seems many people think it applies [nltimes.nl] also [foxnews.com] to [rt.com] workers [wikipedia.org] without [dw.com] the [dw.com] green [firstpost.com] card [brusselstimes.com].
(Score: 4, Insightful) by SomeGuy on Wednesday June 24 2020, @12:36PM (1 child)
What nobody has mentioned yet is that with all the teleworking going on now, you can bet your ass that a lot more jobs will be outsourced to foreign countries as soon as they can get away with it, now that employers have a much better idea of who can do things remotely.
Quite frankly though, anyone who gives American jobs to foreign workers, either remotely or by herding them in to the US, is a TRAITOR to the United States of America, and should be sentenced to death by the most painful methods possible.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @06:15PM
yeah, or kick them out of the country and ban the import of their goods.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @06:21PM
Require that all H1B visa holders be paid $500K starting salary minimum. If these are truly the best and brightest people they deserve financial reward. That way companies cannot use them for cheap labor.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @06:37PM
… So if it is really important right here and right now under COVID, why was it not really important three years ago?
Oh.... desperately sucking up for votes. So one is a sucker for joining on the Trump train because he finds new ways to flex his racism. Gotcha.