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Trump official: Unclear if RNC can be safely held in Florida:
A top Trump administration health official says it is not clear whether it will be safe to hold the Republican National Convention (RNC) in Jacksonville next month as Florida sees record numbers of coronavirus cases.
The comments on Sunday came a month after Republican officials moved the event from North Carolina over a dispute over health precautions.
Stephen Hahn, the Food and Drug Administration commissioner, also refused to confirm President Donald Trump's claim that 99 percent of coronavirus cases were harmless and called the situation a "serious problem".
With record numbers of people testing positive for the virus in Jacksonville and across Florida, Hahn was asked if it would be safe to hold the typically large RNC gathering in just seven weeks.
On Saturday, Florida reported a new record of nearly 11,500 new coronavirus cases, amid a surge in cases in western and southern states. To date, nearly 130,000 people have died in the US amid 2.83 million cases.
"I think it's too early to tell," Hahn said on CNN's State of the Union programme. "We will have to see how this unfolds in Florida and elsewhere around the country."
The Republican Party in June announced it was moving most of the convention activities to Jacksonville from Charlotte after a battle over coronavirus safety concerns with North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper, a Democrat.
[...] Trump has been known to thrive on large crowds at his campaign rallies and has not embraced masks or social distancing measures at events since the country began reopening from the coronavirus shutdown.
The president has also repeatedly sought to minimise the jump in confirmed cases and claimed without evidence in a July Fourth speech that 99 percent of cases in the United States were "totally harmless".
(Score: 1, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday July 08 2020, @03:57AM (15 children)
If you hold it out in the streets, maybe set some shit on fire and murder some folks while you're at it, it makes everyone immune from coronaids.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Funny) by fustakrakich on Wednesday July 08 2020, @04:08AM (2 children)
I think "Burning Man" was cancelled...
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Aegis on Wednesday July 08 2020, @02:50PM (1 child)
"Bunker Man" will also be cancelled come November.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday July 08 2020, @05:35PM
It's hardly a sure thing with the opposition as feeble and inept as it is
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @04:19AM
That's not how Disaster Capitalism works. They overthrow the democracy, and buy up all the golf courses and oil fields for pennies on the dollar.
Republicans today are the Deatheaters. No longer the Firebreathers, or Cavaliers or Roundheads. Still the Know-nothings, but much less of the Bull Moose. Death-eaters.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @10:23AM (1 child)
You nincompoop. It doesn't make anybody immune. In fact it's looking like herd immunity to corogrid is something that doesn't happen.
It keeps you maskless dipshits indoors instead. That is the mechanism by which that effect works.
In the final analysis, from the libertarian perspective, instead of marching for our liberties, we should just let you folks keep killing yourselves if that's what you want to do. The liberty tree will water itself.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday July 11 2020, @04:32PM
Dumbass, the latest scientific data is showing getting covid and not dying confers immunity of a non-trivial duration. We ran a bloody story on it right here a week or two ago. Learn what the fuck you're talking about before you poke keys.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday July 08 2020, @01:22PM (6 children)
You're deliberately not saying "nigger" as loud as you can, and we all hear you.
Losing your edge, Uzzard. Falling apart. A good troll requires subtlety, and you don't have it.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Aegis on Wednesday July 08 2020, @02:57PM (2 children)
I like how all the arrests at the protests show how violent they are yet simultaneously nobody at the protests are being held responsible for their actions.
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Wednesday July 08 2020, @04:11PM
At least one person is being held responsible for their actions. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/tacoma-woman-charged-for-allegedly-setting-seattle-police-vehicles-on-fire-during-protests/ar-BB15nb3o [msn.com]
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @08:29PM
Remind me, which political ideology in the US has the highest number of domestic terrorists?
Rhetorical question, rightwing assholes who just can't grasp "live and let live" or "turn the other cheek." How about you try the flipside of your own statement and address all the innocent people being assaulted and seriously injured merely for protesting?
Of course you will not consider such a thing, your narrative is focused solely on "protesters BAD!" I'll send you a hula hoop with a fleshlight attachment.
(Score: 1, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday July 11 2020, @04:34PM (2 children)
"RACIST! REEEEEE!!!" is your argument then? You know people only do that shit when they aren't capable of winning, right?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday July 13 2020, @12:14AM (1 child)
Your argument refutes itself :) Like I keep saying, you are your own worst enemy. If you would only learn to keep your fat fucking mouth shut for 10 minutes at a time you wouldn't constantly be getting spanked like a redheaded stepchild.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday July 13 2020, @03:08PM
Let's keep going. I'm interested in finding out how many excuses for being unable to refute an argument you can come up with.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by VLM on Wednesday July 08 2020, @04:49PM (1 child)
LOL thats the democrat national convention. Unfortunately I'm not kidding and it looks like Milwaukee is gonna get burned down.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @05:34PM
So if it doesn't get burned down do you promise to never post online again?
(Score: 4, Touché) by c0lo on Wednesday July 08 2020, @04:55AM (5 children)
Only 8 cases yesterday in all the 1.4B of them, safest place: hold it in China!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @05:17AM (3 children)
Yet 134 in Melbourne...
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday July 08 2020, @08:05AM (2 children)
Thanks God, I wouldn't want RNC held in Melbourne (grin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @10:46AM (1 child)
Last year Sydney did host the CPAC festival of nutters.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday July 08 2020, @10:59AM
Not US nutters [wikipedia.org] but all right-nutters alright.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 5, Interesting) by DannyB on Wednesday July 08 2020, @02:20PM
You have the wrong Obvious Solution.
Consider the alternate facts:
* the sickness is a hoax (a Chinese disease)
* masks are ineffective and designed to take away your freedom to spread the (hoax) disease
* science (including medicine) should be in the service of politics
* it's no worse than the flu (but is still a hoax)
* it will just go away come summer
* more people die from the flu
Conclusion:
Simply hold the convention indoors, without masks, in Florida. Everyone happy.
I know that is not a nice thing to say. But these people, even if unwittingly, are carelessly pushing policies that make people sick every day, and some of them die. They double down on this, and repeat it every day. It is a shame that a disease and how to prepare for and contain it have become a political issue. But only in America.
Such an Obvious Solution could unwittingly be chosen, and turn out to be a Final Solution of sorts. Or a Darwin Award of sorts. That would be sad even if ironic.
What doesn't kill me makes me weaker for next time.
(Score: 5, Touché) by Grishnakh on Wednesday July 08 2020, @04:59AM (8 children)
Why not just not worry about coronavirus, and hold the RNC there anyway? After all, Trump himself said it was a "liberal hoax", and all his followers still think it's "just a cold". So what are they worried about?
From the summary: "Trump has been known to thrive on large crowds at his campaign rallies and has not embraced masks or social distancing measures at events since the country began reopening from the coronavirus shutdown." Ok, so what's the problem then? Why is the Trump Administration even worried about this?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Wednesday July 08 2020, @05:08AM (5 children)
Because Florida can go in lockdown one day before the event?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 3, Funny) by istartedi on Wednesday July 08 2020, @05:59AM
Then we could get Florida saying it's state's rights, and Trump saying it's not about state's rights. Time to check my popcorn futures.
Appended to the end of comments you post. Max: 120 chars.
(Score: 2) by MostCynical on Wednesday July 08 2020, @05:59AM (1 child)
better the day before than a week after?
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday July 08 2020, @06:07AM
Safer. Less entertaining, tho'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Thursday July 09 2020, @01:15AM (1 child)
>Because Florida can go in lockdown one day before the event?
Isn't the Florida governor a Republican, and also a strong Trump ally? Why would he put his state into lockdown when this would make Trump look bad?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 09 2020, @03:11AM
Uncontrollable rioting?
(Score: 4, Interesting) by bussdriver on Wednesday July 08 2020, @05:04PM (1 child)
I'm not so big on preventing fools from harming themselves but when they harm others that is a problem! I have a relative in a form of prison because a Trumptard insisted on going out, got sick and died 3 days later but infected the retirement home so everybody there has been trapped in their rooms as it spread around killing people. So far, the rooms next to hers have been emptied and it seems to have hopped over her and she has many of the bad preexisting conditions - it will kill her. So much for a peaceful death watching TV and visits with relatives.
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Thursday July 09 2020, @01:17AM
Look, I'm sorry about your relative, and if it isn't completely obvious, I'm on the side of science and reason, not Trump. However, I'm looking at this from the point-of-view of the Trump administration and his countless supporters who happily elected him and who continue to back him despite all that's happened, and who, IMO, will likely succeed in re-electing him.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @06:14AM (5 children)
Has anyone heard anything from Tulsa? Are they all dead of the Covid-19, after Trump's "ralley"?
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @08:37AM (4 children)
https://www.tulsa-health.org/COVID19 [tulsa-health.org]
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @12:09PM (3 children)
Implicit assumption, everyone participating to Trump's covid party was from Tulsa.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday July 08 2020, @05:44PM
Implicit assumption 2: enough people showed up for a spike to be noticeable
(Score: 2) by tizan on Wednesday July 08 2020, @10:55PM
Reverse assumption:
What else could be causing the rise in Tulsa county recently...OK has been opening up since April 24th
https://www.okcommerce.gov/covid19/ours-plan/ [okcommerce.gov]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 09 2020, @04:23AM
AC you replied to here. No assumptions made, at least not by me.
GP said [soylentnews.org]:
I posted a link which *directly* answered his question. To wit: Yes, we have heard from Tulsa. This is what the folks there are saying/reporting.
You seem to be under the misapprehension that sharing a link, when *asked* for information, to official data about the specific subject at hand, is some sort of political statement.
More's the pity.
(Score: -1, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @06:22AM (15 children)
Unless the attendees are a bunch of insecure cancel culture leftists afraid of something that kills less than the yearly flu. So many hospitals are actually low on patients due to the stay at home orders, yet another hit to the economy. Actual Americans are capable of making the decision between their health and standing for their country.
(Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @06:55AM (4 children)
Yeah, those hospitals are completely empty [usnews.com]. Yesiree Bob! [time.com]. No one in in the hospital [beckershospitalreview.com]. In fact, they're using the rooms at every hospital in the US as in-call locations for hookers.
Thanks for
talking out of your assbringing us this important information.(Score: 3, Funny) by fyngyrz on Wednesday July 08 2020, @04:00PM
They are?!?!
I need to get right down there and, uh, make sure they all have, uh, masks.
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Money can't buy love, but it can sure buy a yacht to pull up next to it on.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @05:02PM
So this is legitimately good to know, the two closest hospitals to me are full... great...
(Score: 2) by VLM on Wednesday July 08 2020, @05:26PM (1 child)
Your first link is AZ.
http://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/arizona [healthdata.org]
I find it interesting that a national apocalypse is being reported which requires national groupthink and national response.
Meanwhile, Try
http://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/illinois [healthdata.org]
http://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/iowa [healthdata.org]
http://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/wisconsin [healthdata.org]
Per the death rates the disease is essentially over in the midwest. Ironically the upcoming DNC convention in WI probably won't need masks from a medical perspective but they'll have to signal their Trump Derrangement Syndrome by wearing full space suits.
Also I'm told the hospitals in AZ are full but it seems the actual occupancy numbers are more like 25% for regular ole hospital beds and half for ICU and ventilators. Clearly, their curve is pretty well flattened despite being a destination state for elderly who are at high risk for covid.
Something I don't understand about masks is a month after full quarantine and "civilians shouldn't wear masks save them for hospital workers" and the result two weeks later was (not to be too doxy) explosive exponential growth to about a thousand infections per day. Now social distancing and cancellations are essentially over where I live and its almost business as usual, and instead of exploding to 10K per day as I've been promised the infection rate is like 400 per day. Endless chanting in the media about "Wear your mask or you'll be sorry in two weeks" and then two weeks later nobody's wearing masks outside virtue signaller concentrations, and the infection and death rates are another 10% lower. I keep getting promised its gonna be the end of the world because of orange man bad, but it just keeps on not happening and the media is getting VERY mad about that.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @07:17PM
It was like that here too, but now that the brunt of the demonstrations are over, the health nazis are back again because of the case count.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by aristarchus on Wednesday July 08 2020, @08:46AM (7 children)
FTFY
It is idiots like you that let the Black Death, and the White Plague, scourge the world in earlier times. We used to draw, quarter, and incinerate people like you, who broke quarantine or refused to wear a mask, just to purify your morals and keep you from spreading the miasma.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @02:06PM (2 children)
I think you found the flat-earther sjw.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @05:30PM (1 child)
That would be a contradiction.
(Score: 2) by kazzie on Wednesday July 08 2020, @07:28PM
If the earth is truly flat, then nobody will be above anyone else!
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Thursday July 09 2020, @01:22AM (3 children)
It is idiots like you that let the Black Death, and the White Plague, scourge the world in earlier times. We used to draw, quarter, and incinerate people like you, who broke quarantine or refused to wear a mask
We did?? Somehow I missed that history lesson. All I remember is the Black Death killed 1/3 of Europe's population and people had no clue what spread it for a long time, until they (centuries later) finally figured out it was bacteria in rats. As for quarantines and wearing masks, I don't think they figured that stuff out until about 100 years ago (they wore masks during the Spanish/1918 Flu in America, particularly NYC), and that was long, long, long after drawing and quartering was abolished as a punishment in medieval Europe (and was never used in America).
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday July 09 2020, @01:48AM (2 children)
See, this is the thing: all this knowledge is right out there [medievalists.net] on the Internets, and a rural location is no longer an excuse for ignorance. Educate yourself. And perhaps read Foucault's Discipline and Punish: The Birth of the Prison (French: Surveiller et punir : Naissance de la prison) [wikipedia.org]. Starts out with,
, so the lapse in drawing and quartering is much more recent than you seem to think. And in the Americas, more a technique of staking you out naked over a fire ant hill, with some honey applied to strategic parts. Again, DO NOT BREAK quarantine.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 09 2020, @01:57AM (1 child)
Plague Doctor's Masks? [pinterest.ch] Even a Steampunk thing, so the masks go way back, as well.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 09 2020, @02:50PM
Of course, plague doctor's masks only worked on accident.
They were designed to hold flowers and perfumes near the nose to keep the miasma (bad smells that were understood to "cause" disease) away, the fact that they kept germs out was largely an accident, though I suppose they iterated on ideas until they found one that worked best.
That said, the idea that bad smells cause disease isn't as stupid as you might first imagine. It is a hack that our brains have used for millions of years, you see, places with germs tend to smell a certain way, we can smell, but not sense germs directly, so we used those smells as a proxy for the germs. Those became "bad" smells, the kind you instinctively avoid. Those that did avoid them, got sick less, and proliferated more. Thus, the link to disease and bad smells was forged before mastery of fire, speech, even opposable thumbs.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by bussdriver on Wednesday July 08 2020, @05:16PM (1 child)
1% of 328 million people is 3.28 million people!
Initial estimate was 2 million people if we did NOTHING. So now we are promoting a HIGHER number as being a good thing. WTF is wrong with people? I guess American's do math as well as geography; and I live here but I didn't realize just how gullible people here are.
So when 2 million die, Trump and friends will say it was a success because it's less than 1%.
Keep in mind they have to TREAT people to get high recovery rates and that involves flattening the curve; which should not be a difficult concept but way too many people seem to have missed the whole purpose and thought it was a time out to wait for a vaccine which it never was... and also think a vaccine will happen likely they'll believe the fake or lame one this fall Trump WILL promote is going to do something. He will promote anything this fall reguardless; probably something he has invested heavily in... because he has already done that with something that directly kills people; I believe that had more than a 1% rate of deadly complications (if you weren't constantly monitored.) Please correct me if I'm in error on the death rate of his 1st preventative "cure".
(Score: 3, Funny) by epitaxial on Wednesday July 08 2020, @08:21PM
Americans couldn't understand that a 1/3lb hamburger is bigger than a 1/4lb hamburger. A&W did bad sales numbers over that one.
(Score: 5, Funny) by srobert on Wednesday July 08 2020, @02:10PM
They should just go ahead and have it. Only liberal snowflakes wear masks and wring their hands over COVID. Don't let them steal your freedumb.
(Score: 1, Troll) by VLM on Wednesday July 08 2020, @05:11PM (6 children)
they seem to have a strange hard on about the 99 percent quote.
Lets have some fun using math. Most people can't use math, use of math is a revolutionary act in 2020. Eventually leftists are going to require calculators and slide rules be licensed and regulated by the state for our own safety, but I digress.
The latest CDC report shows New York State is running over 7% antibody positive as of last month, so 7% of NY people had the disease and are still alive. NY supposedly had 32219 dead as of yesterday. About nine mil people live in NY state.
So lets do some revolutionary math. Figure its increased to at LEAST 8% by now of 9 mil is about 720K (estimate in my head, probably about right). 32 / 720 is about 4 percent.
The simplistic math seems to imply its more like 96% not 99%.
There's a "famous" WashPo (big brother alert!) article from June where the new leftist narrative is whining about how cases are being underreported for various reasons.
It seems likely that a disease that can be transmitted so incredibly easily has infected WAY more than 8% of the population. The CDC publishes figures that its harder to catch the flu than COVID and a magic strip of cloth will protect you from COVID as will participation in an anti-police rally, unlike the flu virus which is fascist and doesn't care about social justice when it infects people, but about 10% to 20% of the population catch the flu per season, and its been about a COVID season, so I feel if we had infinite test kits and infinite perfect reporting and infinite free medical care, I don't think it unreasonable at all that maybe a fifth the population has been infected, mostly asymptomatically and untested.
When you correct the numbers for that more realistic infection rate, and play some rounding errors games, play some word games with cases vs infections, its not really all that unreasonable that 99% of infections were harmless. Sure like 0.1% died which sucks and is a lot of people, maybe 0.4% were hospitalized which sucks and is a lot of people, but 99% smells pretty true given the public data thats been released.
It says a lot about Trump derangement syndrome that the victims of that mental illness are reeeeeeee-ing over the prez being happy 99% of infections not being fatal, which seems to be a pretty realistic and believable number based on government figures released so far. Only a true believer Democrat could be angry the death toll isn't higher. I'm sure this kind of thing will help Trump get many more votes in November to continue to MAGA.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @06:53PM (4 children)
VLM seems to have a hard-on about this. Did Ivan up his pay scale? Or is he just a morbid Republican Deatheater?
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday July 09 2020, @12:32AM (3 children)
The latter. Check his post history; "death eater" may be more on the money than even you suspected, as he seems to be trying to cause a race war.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 09 2020, @01:51AM (2 children)
We can just send a division of antifa in his general direction, then. Should take care of the problem.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 09 2020, @03:58AM (1 child)
Sounds like you need a special under-the-bed night light.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 09 2020, @07:20AM
The antifa are very good. You do not see them coming. You do not see then when they attack. Won't even miss them when they are gone! So, how can you be sure they exist, except for the liquid shit running down your leg? We are legion. We are anonymous. Expect us.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @11:15PM
You throw around a lot of estimates like there's no other possible way we could know anything about the epidemiology of the virus. Any explanations you come up with have to deal with the fact that many countries have managed COVID with a lower death rate and economic impact. And that's not even looking at what a "non-fatal" recovery from COVID looks like.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @08:19PM (1 child)
"A top Trump administration health official says it is not clear whether it will be safe to hold the Republican National Convention (RNC) in Jacksonville next month as Florida sees record numbers of coronavirus cases"
I think we should take that as a definite "no". Or, maybe more like a "Hell no!"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 09 2020, @07:22AM
Jacksonville; hmm, is that Andrew, or Stonewall, or Samuel? I prefer the "Snakes on a Plane" Republican convention, because, "what ya gonna do?".