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posted by Fnord666 on Sunday July 19 2020, @04:02PM   Printer-friendly
from the no-good-deed-goes-unpunished? dept.

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Airbnb-asks-people-to-donate-money-to-hosts-15407730.php

Airbnb's latest attempt to appease hosts and customers amid a tumultuous year was met with a searing backlash on social media.

The online vacation rental marketplace, headquartered in San Francisco, initiated a feature this week offering customers the chance to donate money and "kindness cards" to hosts.

"Today we're introducing a new way to connect with your favorite hosts. Now you can create personalized kindness cards that make it easy to send a message of appreciation or encouragement, with the option to add a contribution. We hope these cards will make hosts smile, and bring a little joy your way," a message from the company to customers read.

"Airbnb has lost its f---ing head, why would I donate to my host? I can't even afford one house." Twitter user olenskae fumed.


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Rosco P. Coltrane on Sunday July 19 2020, @04:11PM (11 children)

    by Rosco P. Coltrane (4757) on Sunday July 19 2020, @04:11PM (#1023754)

    If they have such good intentions, perhaps they could offer postcards and rebates to the hosts themselves.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by FatPhil on Sunday July 19 2020, @05:44PM (10 children)

      I think htey've done that for some of the "superhosts" - people who are so desperately poor that they own a dozen properties that they are renting out on the platform, and clearly need the help.

      AirBnB is a tax and other regulations avoidance platform, nothing more. If you use it, you're putting legitimate hostels and renters out of business.

      (Note, this statement is not made because I have skin in the game, this is an independent appraisal from a safe distance.)
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      • (Score: 4, Informative) by edIII on Sunday July 19 2020, @08:35PM (1 child)

        by edIII (791) on Sunday July 19 2020, @08:35PM (#1023822)

        My independent appraisal is to use a lot of curry, fenugreek, coriander, and pepper when eating the rich. For best results, slow cook at 240 degrees for 8 hours :)

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2020, @02:08AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2020, @02:08AM (#1023924)

          Try all you want, they simply aren't fit to eat.

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday July 20 2020, @01:43AM (4 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday July 20 2020, @01:43AM (#1023913) Journal

        AirBnB is a tax and other regulations avoidance platform, nothing more. If you use it, you're putting legitimate hostels and renters out of business.

        Why is that supposed to be a bad thing? Legitimacy is not that valuable to us, particularly when it is purchased.

        • (Score: 4, Touché) by aristarchus on Monday July 20 2020, @03:08AM (3 children)

          by aristarchus (2645) on Monday July 20 2020, @03:08AM (#1023953) Journal

          Khallow? Seriously? Is this like your AirBnBackhoe, where you tried to charge a fee for clean sheets and towels? Externalities, Dude! Fair playing field for functional economic competition. If someone goes black market, it destroys the efficiency of capitalism, and we might have all go socialist, man!!

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday July 20 2020, @03:34AM (2 children)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday July 20 2020, @03:34AM (#1023960) Journal

            Fair playing field for functional economic competition.

            "Legitimacy" is one of the easy ways to tilt that playing field.

            • (Score: 2, Funny) by aristarchus on Monday July 20 2020, @10:10AM (1 child)

              by aristarchus (2645) on Monday July 20 2020, @10:10AM (#1024020) Journal

              You scammer, khallow! I wish I never rented a backhoe from you, after I found out what a crooked business person you truly are. Never do business with Republicans, that is my new motto. Oh, and keep the ferked deposit, it was all counterfeit bills, anyway.

              • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday July 20 2020, @11:09AM

                by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday July 20 2020, @11:09AM (#1024035) Journal

                Oh, and keep the ferked deposit, it was all counterfeit bills, anyway.

                You don't say, magister... Really? TMB's money are counterfeit?

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      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2020, @02:41AM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2020, @02:41AM (#1023940)

        "If you use it, you're putting legitimate hostels and renters out of business."

        I have no sympathy for the hotels. They are not legitimate and don't deserve any special treatment in the form of having their competition eliminated. To the extent that you want to get rid Airbnb because they are competition this is the exact reason why we should not get rid of them. Competition is good.

        Kinda like the fact that big media hates Uber and Lyft because they compete with the taxi cab industry and their illegitimate medallion monopolies. The medallion monopolies should be abolished and the reason we should keep Uber and Lyft around is exactly to provide fair competition.

        Many of those hotels are predatory. They use local government to lobby in ways that limit competition. If a business wants to open up their own local in house lounging place for their traveling employees to save money, one that's cleaner and more luxurious than the local hotels/motels, the hotels will lobby the local government to make them go away and to make sure it doesn't happen.

        Sorry, I have zero sympathy for the hotels. Just like I have zero sympathy for the taxi cab industry that obtains medallions to limit competition in ways that hurt the drivers and the customers. They aren't special and should be forced to compete like anyone else.

        I recognize that most of the hatred towards Uber and Lyft that I see in the headlines is really done by those that support the medallion monopolies and have the underlying agenda harming both the consumers and the taxi-cab drivers.

        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2020, @04:00AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2020, @04:00AM (#1023968)

          > The medallion monopolies should be abolished and the reason we should keep Uber and Lyft around is exactly to provide fair competition.

          I agree that medallions have turned into a corrupt system, perhaps more so in some cities than others. However, if you think Uber and Lyft provide fair competition, I have a bridge to sell you. Both are extremely well funded by VCs (and other deep pockets) and are prepared to make a loss until such time that the earlier system of taxi cabs has been put out of business. At which point Uber and Lyft prices will increase due to their new monopoly.

          While Uber and Lyft represent themselves as hip "ride sharing" companies, they are in reality normal capitalists that actually want to be monopolists.

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday July 21 2020, @10:56PM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 21 2020, @10:56PM (#1024773) Journal

            Both are extremely well funded by VCs (and other deep pockets) and are prepared to make a loss until such time that the earlier system of taxi cabs has been put out of business.

            I think the coming taxi genocide is quite a fair use of VC money.

  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 19 2020, @04:18PM (29 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 19 2020, @04:18PM (#1023759)

    The host is running a business (a business that probably breaks zoning regulations, but I digress), and he sets the price for his good. You agree to it, and you pay him. Why the fuck should I shower him with MORE money? You want to be nice: leave the place fairly clean when you leave... although he will in all likelihood have a maid service clean the place after you leave, and of course you wil have paid for it as part of your rental (house "sharing"?) fee.

    It's as if there is a whole generation of people who do not understand the basics of how an economy works.

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 19 2020, @04:36PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 19 2020, @04:36PM (#1023763)

      Precisely, tipping maids and employees is bad enough, why tip the business owner? For ages you never tipped the owner, you might top employees, but not the owner.

      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2020, @11:37AM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2020, @11:37AM (#1024050)

        I never tip. I eat at restaurants with a collective agreement between workforce and employer.

        • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2020, @03:07PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2020, @03:07PM (#1024130)

          My daughter is a server at a very high end restaurant. She is as non-racist as anyone can be but she admits there are only two type of black customers. Most are those who will spend hundreds of dollars and tip nothing and some who will overtip because they know the stereotype is all too often accurate. Unfortunately the overtippers are too few to balance the non-tippers. There are a also a small number that will try anything to get the manager to give them their meals free. They are the worst customers. Last week it happened again but her co-worker drew short straw with that group and left reduced to tears. They got their meals comped of course and after the group left, a white customer who witnessed the whole thing handed her $100. She has told me many of these stories and there is always a predictable common thread.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2020, @08:16PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2020, @08:16PM (#1024244)

            Predictable. -1 Uncomfortable truth.

          • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2020, @10:12PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2020, @10:12PM (#1024288)

            The only reason there is a predictable common thread due to your confirmation bias.

    • (Score: 0, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 19 2020, @05:14PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 19 2020, @05:14PM (#1023772)

      Why? Because AirBnb hopes "these cards will make hosts smile, and bring a little joy your way".

      The real question is why are you such a communist America hater?

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by FatPhil on Sunday July 19 2020, @05:49PM (21 children)

      Your final sentence absolutely nails it. Part of the problem is the building of ever more baroque regulatory systems, which incur costs, sometimes massive, for those who wish to play the game (c.f. taxis in NY), so when some startup say "lets describe things differently so we can ignore all the laws, and associated costs", and can sell their service for less, the people who would be customers see it only as a good thing as they don't pay attention to the poor business who were suckered into doing things legitimately.
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      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2020, @02:46AM (8 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2020, @02:46AM (#1023944)

        There is absolutely nothing legitimate about taxi cab medallion monopolies.

        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by FatPhil on Monday July 20 2020, @08:16AM (5 children)

          You're confusing "legitimate" with "justifiable". It's a racket, everyone knows that, but it's the law. The law needs to be changed. It is often thought that the best way to get a law changes is by indiscriminate breaking of it, but that is very rarely actually the case, and I don't believe that Uber is such a case. Uber doesn't even want the law changed - the shackles of medallions are what makes their business seem good.
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          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday July 21 2020, @11:00PM (4 children)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 21 2020, @11:00PM (#1024774) Journal

            The law needs to be changed.

            One way to change the law is to drive the businesses supporting the law out of business via the allegedly illegal competition. You don't eliminate political merchants by rewarding them. You do it by driving them into bankruptcy.

            • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Wednesday July 22 2020, @09:02AM (3 children)

              by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Wednesday July 22 2020, @09:02AM (#1024888) Homepage
              Yet again you prove that you have no understanding of, or no respect for, the rule of law, and even democracy.

              Have you never stopped to consider why so many people think you're a loon?
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              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday July 22 2020, @06:11PM (2 children)

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 22 2020, @06:11PM (#1025013) Journal
                Bribing politicians to protect your business model is not doing or rule of law. And rule of law most certainly is not whatever rules the authorities pull out of their asses.

                Have you never stopped to consider why so many people think you're a loon?

                What is there to consider? I realize already that there are people who disagree with me. And some of them are incapable of understanding that.

                I think there would a whole lot less concern over the rule of law, if Uber and Airbnb were doing stuff that was pro-Taxi cartel and pro-labor. Further, our rule of law has provided numerous constraints on democracies no matter which ones you consider. And a big, universal constraint is that one's rights don't disappear just because one is on the wrong side of a bureaucratic tussle.

                • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday July 22 2020, @11:24PM

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 22 2020, @11:24PM (#1025190) Journal

                  Bribing politicians to protect your business model is not doing democracy or rule of law.

                  Fixed.

                • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Friday July 24 2020, @09:29AM

                  Mostly agree. But I think the solution to the problem of bribing politicians is better accountability, and getting the corrupt politicians removed.
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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 22 2020, @12:41AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 22 2020, @12:41AM (#1024807)

          You're ignoring history. They were created due to corruption of the taxi companies competing with each other. They were successful in reducing crime, blackmail, kidnappings, assignations, and reducing roaming bands of unoccupied taxis (those older companies operated like gangs). Sure the medallions were slowly corrupted and need to be fixed, but simply dropping them invites all the old problems to come back and we've already seen some of that. Uber making fake pickup requests to other companies, discriminating against which people they pick up (them creating ghost drivers and ignoring pickup requests from people they calculated were inspectors), varied rates, increased traffic, ignoring complaints, etc... Companies holding medallions are forced to meet the requirements for those medallions. If customers actually called into their cities to complain about abuses those companies would be held accountable or they lost the medallions (or you could vote someone in who would hold them accountable). Sure some of that has been corrupted, but services like Uber give you no resource. Further, if you complain too much you're the one who gets banned.

          You're looking at all of the current cons of the medallions and ignoring all of the past pros. When you throw them out, you're throwing out all the pros as well.

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday July 22 2020, @06:13PM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 22 2020, @06:13PM (#1025015) Journal
            Doesn't sound to me like that history is ignored. Medallions are just a continuation of that corruption where someone managed to turn it into a cartel.
      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday July 20 2020, @10:41AM (11 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday July 20 2020, @10:41AM (#1024024) Journal

        Part of the problem is the building of ever more baroque regulatory systems, which incur costs, sometimes massive, for those who wish to play the game (c.f. taxis in NY) [...] to the poor business who were suckered into doing things legitimately

        Ignoring that it is likely that parts of the "poor business" paid for those baroque regulatory systems in order to create cartels, why do you perceive said baroque regulatory systems as legitimate in the first place?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2020, @03:31PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2020, @03:31PM (#1024136)

          Because they were approved of and enforced by a government. In the sense you're using it legitimacy can simply be defined as conformance to rules or laws. Unless you prefer anarchy, in which case there is never any such thing as legitimate. And even as captured as it is there are good public interest reasons why the supply of street-hirable drivers should be regulated and limited.

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday July 21 2020, @01:25AM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 21 2020, @01:25AM (#1024377) Journal

            Because they were approved of and enforced by a government.

            That's really flimsy.

        • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday July 21 2020, @10:46AM (8 children)

          By understanding the definition of the word 'legitimate'. Don't they have dictionaries where you come from?
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          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday July 21 2020, @12:05PM (7 children)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 21 2020, @12:05PM (#1024540) Journal
            The thing is why am I to suppose that baroque regulation that creates cartels is more legitimate than work-arounds to that regulation? I'm just not seeing it, no matter how you feel "legitimate" should be defined.
            • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday July 21 2020, @05:01PM (6 children)

              Because many authorities have (independently) found Uber's operation to be not work-arounds for, but actually not compliant with local laws. I.e. illegal. I.e. illegitimate.
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              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday July 21 2020, @10:52PM (5 children)

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 21 2020, @10:52PM (#1024770) Journal
                Why do you accept those authorities as authorities? I'm sure many taxi cartels have independently found Uber's operations to be very harmful to their bottom line and got some authorities to protect their business model.
                • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Wednesday July 22 2020, @09:00AM (4 children)

                  by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Wednesday July 22 2020, @09:00AM (#1024886) Homepage
                  > Why do you accept those authorities as authorities?

                  Because I'm not an anarchist.
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                  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday July 22 2020, @11:32PM (3 children)

                    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 22 2020, @11:32PM (#1025194) Journal
                    Sorry I don't buy that failing to heed dumbass authorities pushing dumbass law is an example of anarchism.
                    • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Friday July 24 2020, @09:25AM (2 children)

                      Remember to put a dictionarry on your wishlist for christmas.
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                      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday July 24 2020, @01:05PM (1 child)

                        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday July 24 2020, @01:05PM (#1025741) Journal
                        I already know what the word means. Why don't you look up "rule of law"? Rule of law means that authorities don't get to decide on the fly what the rules are.
    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday July 20 2020, @11:27AM

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday July 20 2020, @11:27AM (#1024045) Journal

      Why the fuck should I shower him with MORE money?

      [...]

      It's as if there is a whole generation of people who do not understand the basics of how an economy works.

      Indeed. I imagine once you have answered why the tipping culture keeps growing, you'll have separated yourself quite a bit from that generation of people who do not understand the basics of how an economy works.

  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday July 19 2020, @04:43PM (1 child)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 19 2020, @04:43PM (#1023765) Journal

    Company is irrelevant, they try to make themselves relevant, and it backfires. Happens all the time!

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 19 2020, @05:00PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 19 2020, @05:00PM (#1023771)

      SelfAwareWolves

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by looorg on Sunday July 19 2020, @04:44PM (6 children)

    by looorg (578) on Sunday July 19 2020, @04:44PM (#1023766)

    I wish my landlord would tip me a months rent or so every now and then ... I wonder why that never happens ...

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by c0lo on Monday July 20 2020, @12:36AM (5 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday July 20 2020, @12:36AM (#1023879) Journal

      I wish my landlord would tip me a months rent or so every now and then ... I wonder why that never happens ...

      Because you live in America.
      Otherwise, at least today, you could negotiate a 20% rent discount in Australia [dailymail.co.uk] .

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      • (Score: 3, Touché) by looorg on Monday July 20 2020, @01:46AM (1 child)

        by looorg (578) on Monday July 20 2020, @01:46AM (#1023916)

        How rude. I don't live in America.

        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday July 20 2020, @03:07AM

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday July 20 2020, @03:07AM (#1023951) Journal

          Then head to your relevant realestate site and see what are the going rents. You may have the surprise to be able to renegotiate your rent.
          (do you expect the landlord to offer you a rent reduction from the goodness of his heart, without asking him to?)

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      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday July 20 2020, @10:46AM (2 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday July 20 2020, @10:46AM (#1024026) Journal

        I wish my landlord would tip me a months rent or so every now and then ... I wonder why that never happens ...

        Property advisor Anna Porter told Sunrise now is a great time for tenants to push for a reduction in rent.

        I hope "property advisor" Anna Porter will consider extending that advice to the US so that we'll be allowed to renegotiate rent as well. \sarc

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2020, @10:58AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2020, @10:58AM (#1024031)

          Did you move out of the company's town, khallow? Congrats for your regained independence.

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday July 20 2020, @11:12AM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday July 20 2020, @11:12AM (#1024038) Journal

            Did you move out of the company's town, khallow?

            The "company town" already did two things in order to get people to live in Yellowstone during covid - get rid of rent altogether (it wasn't much in the first place) and have one person per room with bathroom. The renegotiation already happened.

  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 19 2020, @04:58PM (10 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 19 2020, @04:58PM (#1023769)

    Everyone is hit by the pandemic, your landlord too because they pay a mortgage.
    The only one so far immune is mortgage lenders, Why can’t missed mortgage payments be automatically added to the mortgage for the duration of the pandemic?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 19 2020, @06:01PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 19 2020, @06:01PM (#1023789)

      Because the duration will be forever, FOREEEVVVER!!!!

    • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 19 2020, @06:21PM (6 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 19 2020, @06:21PM (#1023798)

      Some banks are doing that. Some are just writing it off. Some are 'all in' on lending to people so they can buy houses. So it varies. Not all banks are the same.

      What most people do not realize is the banks have obligations too. To their shareholders, their bond holders, the Fed, their account holders, etc.

      Remember this is a system. Think of it as if you yonked out 1 random line of code in the middle of some program. While most of the program might or might not work it probably will cause nasty side effects.

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 19 2020, @11:06PM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 19 2020, @11:06PM (#1023845)

        Fuck the rich. All US banks made their money through slavery and the products of slavery. All US banks should therefore donate half of their capital stock to Blacks to start small businesses like AirBnBs. #BLM #FTR

        • (Score: 2, Interesting) by anubi on Monday July 20 2020, @02:29AM (4 children)

          by anubi (2828) on Monday July 20 2020, @02:29AM (#1023935) Journal

          Banks make their money via usury and the fractional reserve mechanism.

          Most of us don't know it yet, but the banks already own nearly everything. And they did nothing more than issue debt then charge usury. Which now requires creation of yet more debt to pay the loan back.

          Do the math. We are screwed.

          I see only one way to reset the system, and it's been used since Biblical times.

          We in the USA are favored by banks as having the US Dollar, the world's reserve currency, backed up by the US Military to settle disputes. Everyone else has to pay their bills, but in our case, to retain dominance of our military which the elite need to stave off the pitchforks, we simply "extend the debt ceiling", digging ourselves further and further into debt to a private international entity, which is free to shop around for the best pitchfork insurance.

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          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday July 20 2020, @11:31AM (3 children)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday July 20 2020, @11:31AM (#1024047) Journal

            the banks [...] a private international entity

            Sorry, many private entities is not a single private entity. You also ignore the considerable fraction of debt owed to public entities like the governments of China and Japan.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2020, @01:27PM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2020, @01:27PM (#1024084)

              >> debt owed to public entities like the governments of China and Japan.

              Debt that can be erased with a nuclear device is not real debt, and US has already demonstrated its willingness to use atomic weapons to defend its economic interests against the Yellow Peril.

              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday July 21 2020, @01:24AM

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 21 2020, @01:24AM (#1024375) Journal

                Debt that can be erased with a nuclear device is not real debt

                How about debt that can't be erased with a nuclear weapon? Nuclear weapons aren't magic in their ability to cancel contracts. There are tremendous consequences to their use up to and including the extinction of the US.

              • (Score: 1) by anubi on Tuesday July 21 2020, @01:28AM

                by anubi (2828) on Tuesday July 21 2020, @01:28AM (#1024384) Journal

                There appears to be a "ruling elite" which has been with us since prehistoric time, which requires the threat of superior physical violence at the foundation of its leadership model. Appears to exist in all life. Also known as "pecking order".

                Note how the same banking systems quickly took root firmly in the USA, with the US Dollar becoming the world reserve currency after WW2.

                The ownership classes are totally dependent on military might to back up their pen. As you say, physical might cancels debt.

                The US Military depends on the Fed, to extend, through our government, ever increasing debt onto the American populace. But then the Fed desperately needs the use of those weapons to keep all the debtors paying the usury. Or else, the debtors, who far outnumber them, will use guillotines to cancel the debt.

                It's an inherently unstable system, chaotic, while staying within bounds. The existence of humanity is not at stake, but who gets saluted is. Those who are being saluted want to keep it that way. But they are apt to make ever increasing demands until the populace has had enough, and upsets the apple cart.

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    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday July 20 2020, @11:11AM

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday July 20 2020, @11:11AM (#1024037) Journal

      The only one so far immune is mortgage lenders,

      Well, not quite immune, but for them there is the "too big to fail" medication.

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    • (Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Monday July 20 2020, @08:40PM

      by jmichaelhudsondotnet (8122) on Monday July 20 2020, @08:40PM (#1024257) Journal

      free money, like free violence, is only for those at the top, not the bottom.

      If you dont have to pay your mortgage for one month, it sounds like you dont have to pay it for all the months.

      Capitalists take precedent very seriously.

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Mojibake Tengu on Sunday July 19 2020, @05:50PM (4 children)

    by Mojibake Tengu (8598) on Sunday July 19 2020, @05:50PM (#1023785) Journal

    Absurdity like this is a just probe how far the certain mind control technique over the commoners population already proceeded.
    They surely expect a tiny percent only, but still is a good metric if they compare the effect in affected and unaffected regions.

    --
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    • (Score: 2) by NateMich on Sunday July 19 2020, @08:24PM (2 children)

      by NateMich (6662) on Sunday July 19 2020, @08:24PM (#1023819)

      I think you're over-analyzing this. This sounds exactly like the stupid shit that my last company would do, and it was always the marketing people.
      I would be willing to bet some idiot marketing person, who is perfectly isolated from the problems others are having in the economy right now, came up with this shit.

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Arik on Sunday July 19 2020, @09:09PM (1 child)

        by Arik (4543) on Sunday July 19 2020, @09:09PM (#1023825) Journal
        He says mind control, you say marketing, there's no difference.

        That's what marketing aspires to do - to control a mass of weak-minded people and make them buy what we want to sell.
        --
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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2020, @08:27AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2020, @08:27AM (#1024010)

          That's what marketing aspires to do - to control a mass of weak-minded people and make them buy what we want to sell.

          I see what you did there.

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday July 20 2020, @11:18AM

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday July 20 2020, @11:18AM (#1024040) Journal
      I find it interesting how there is so much drama over this. Well, I guess it'll be free advertising for Airbnb so there is that much story to it.
  • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 19 2020, @06:06PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 19 2020, @06:06PM (#1023792)

    Methinks the landlords would want to keep a low profile, lest neo-communist mobs appropriate their properties "for the BIPOC".

  • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 19 2020, @06:06PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 19 2020, @06:06PM (#1023793)

    Next up, they'll ask you to send a card and contribution to AirBnB. And if you don't send an acceptably generous amount to help them through this hard time, then they'll cancel your next reservation without letting you know.

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by istartedi on Sunday July 19 2020, @06:11PM (7 children)

    by istartedi (123) on Sunday July 19 2020, @06:11PM (#1023795) Journal

    OMG! A web company has suggested that you might want to do something nice for somebody, regardless of their class. The horror! Quick, robin. To the Batmobile, now with Guillotine launcher. Sheesh!

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    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Nuke on Sunday July 19 2020, @06:19PM (3 children)

      by Nuke (3162) on Sunday July 19 2020, @06:19PM (#1023797)

      If I do something nice to anyone, it won't be to landlords, AirBnB, Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates. Mark Zucherberg, or anyone remotely resembling any of the above.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 19 2020, @06:23PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 19 2020, @06:23PM (#1023799)

        Not all landlords are 'rich'. Take for example my dad. He has 2 rentals. That is his entire income. It is how he helps pay for his cancer treatments. He does not even make much on them. Maybe 1k month total.

        • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2020, @12:10AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2020, @12:10AM (#1023867)

          As long as he pays his share of taxes, no problem.

          But look up negative gearing in Australia. It's a rort, engineered by the 11% who actually use it to avoid paying taxes. Those landlords price the rest of us out of the market.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2020, @03:15AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2020, @03:15AM (#1023956)

          Has he ever thought about cooking Meth, to pay off those nagging cancer treatment bills?

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by looorg on Sunday July 19 2020, @06:23PM (2 children)

      by looorg (578) on Sunday July 19 2020, @06:23PM (#1023800)

      How much did AirBnB chip in for this tipping circle? As far as I can tell nothing. If they wanted to do something nice for their "hosts" then why don't they just cut their commission rates or start sending money to the "hosts"? Don't see that happening. I guess they did use some of their employees to make the graphics and update their service, I guess that was as far as they are willing to go.

      • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Sunday July 19 2020, @10:04PM

        by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Sunday July 19 2020, @10:04PM (#1023833)

        AirBnB loses too much money to be able to reduce their fees.

        Apparently at one point they did make some profits, but not lately. Hopefully they will go bust and disappear.

        I like your plan though. Maybe rapacious investment funds like Kleiner Perkins could send all their money directly to the hosts and cut out the middle man.

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday July 20 2020, @11:24AM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday July 20 2020, @11:24AM (#1024043) Journal

        How much did AirBnB chip in for this tipping circle? As far as I can tell nothing.

        Yep, it's free advertising. The cheapskates (like the above "olenskae") will grouse for a while raising the visibility of the Airbnb brand.

  • (Score: 0, Disagree) by Adam on Sunday July 19 2020, @07:06PM (6 children)

    by Adam (2168) on Sunday July 19 2020, @07:06PM (#1023810)

    It's not so different than donating to a local museum that currently isn't making ends meet, or tipping a delivery driver. Sure, I could use that money for me, but if one of them is providing a service that I want to see continue, and I know they aren't going to make it without a donation, some money now can preserve a service for the future that I want to continue using. Some folks, like me, still have the same income but don't have the entertainment expendetures - that money can go somewhere, and spending it preserving my entertainment future isn't unreasonable. Granted, AirBnB hosts are a little different, but if I was a repeat visitor somewhere and knew they were using the income to pay the mortgage, it might be worth making a contribution today to preserve the facility for my future. AirBnB, the company, enabling that, is fine.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 19 2020, @10:02PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 19 2020, @10:02PM (#1023832)

      And that's exactly why I spend my money on hookers.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2020, @12:41AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2020, @12:41AM (#1023883)

        And that's exactly why I spend my money on hookers.

        Congrats for supporting local businesses like that.
        Are you still able to produce enough protein for a warm meal too?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2020, @11:45AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2020, @11:45AM (#1024051)

        No blackjack?

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 19 2020, @11:01PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 19 2020, @11:01PM (#1023844)

      And you, my little SJW friend, are exactly why our grandchildren will have to learn Chinese. Because they'll need it to get jobs cleaning Chinamen's toilets.

      • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2020, @12:14AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2020, @12:14AM (#1023870)

        Chinese will never catch on because no critical mass of foreigners can be bothered learning its writing system nor its tones.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Common Joe on Monday July 20 2020, @08:41AM

      by Common Joe (33) <common.joe.0101NO@SPAMgmail.com> on Monday July 20 2020, @08:41AM (#1024011) Journal

      Completely disagree. Tipping is done way too much. Tell me the price, and then I'll decide whether I want to pay it or not.

      This idea that waiters and waitresses (or delivery drivers) live on tips is awful. Suggesting another business (in this case, a AirBnB) go down that route is equally as awful.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Monday July 20 2020, @08:45PM (1 child)

    by jmichaelhudsondotnet (8122) on Monday July 20 2020, @08:45PM (#1024261) Journal

    Those are for landlords who are keeping homes vacant during an epidemic of homelessness.

    So really airbnb is asking, on top of all the other reasons it is awful, for us to subsidize artificial scarcity.

    Let that sink in, A SUBSIDY FOR ARTIFICIAL SCARCITY, MASKED AS CHARITY

    Lest you forget:
    thesesystemsarefailing.net

    • (Score: 1, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 22 2020, @12:56AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 22 2020, @12:56AM (#1024812)

      Maintaining a house isn't free, especially when people can actively destroy it then bankrupt you for not fixing it fast enough.

      Why are you asking people to give up their financial future and risk complete loss of everything they own when you're unwilling to do the same? How many times have you got out of your car at a stoplight and handed its keys to the homeless guy begging at the crosswalk? That's what you're asking people to do. You first.

      We're also in an epidemic of poor nutritional food. Which food have you bypassed so others more needy than you can get theirs for free at your expense? You don't produce any food waste do you? You do? You're increasing food scarcity by buying more than you need while leaving less for others all while driving up prices and demand in your area. Thus other areas are deemed less profitable so they become nutritional deserts. Why don't you do your own part to fix things rather than complaining about others.

      Though of course AirBnb is being a cheap asshole too, just like you. Blaming others rather than trying to fix the issues yourself. How many homeless people have you opened your house/apartment to?

  • (Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Tuesday July 28 2020, @02:48PM

    by jmichaelhudsondotnet (8122) on Tuesday July 28 2020, @02:48PM (#1027635) Journal

    A person who equates the health of a house and a person as the same, if not assigning the house, and an extra at that, more value.

    Your other allegory does not line up.

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