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from the lockdowns-were-supposed-to-be-just-one-part-of-defense-at-depth dept.
Economists warn of 'widespread costs' from lockdown:
Blanket restrictions on economic activity should be lifted and replaced with measures targeted specifically at groups most at risk, say economists.
[...] They argue that while the extent to which the lockdown contributed to a subsequent slowing in the rate of new infections and deaths is not easy to estimate precisely, it seems clear that it did contribute to these public health objectives.
However, they say it is "very far from clear" whether keeping such tight restrictions in place for three months until the end of June when they began to be lifted was warranted, given the large costs. They say that the costs of carrying on with such a lockdown are likely to have become significantly greater than its benefits.
Debate over the global dilemma continues.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday July 30 2020, @11:52PM (10 children)
We're fucked by a virus that has a fatality rate measured in hundredths of a percent? You know we got along just fine doing nothing much at all with loads of those up until now but okay.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 31 2020, @04:07AM (4 children)
150k and counting dead Americans would like a word.
You're a selfish bastard.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday July 31 2020, @11:06AM (3 children)
Oh, you prefer 330 million starve to a couple hundred thousand dying? Fuck off with your gradeschool morality.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 01 2020, @08:00AM (2 children)
Ugh, so more stupidity.
If it wasn't for idiots like yku then we coulda done the proper lockdown and be restarting the economy safely right now. Figures you'd be trying to double down on stupidity instead of admitting you were wrong.
Typical TMB bullshit trumpy emulation.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 01 2020, @02:41PM
If not for morons like you, we could have not shut down our economy and imprisoned our fellow citizens; we'd be doing as well as Sweden is. "Second wave? Third wave? What is that stupidity you talk about? Let's go have a drink!"
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday August 04 2020, @03:32AM
Oh, you think the virus would have just said "Well, fuck, they did a thorough quarantine for a month or so. I'd better fuck off and never come back.", do you? And you call me stupid? Moron, this is one extremely contagious and stealthy disease. You can not stick your head in the sand until it goes away. It's not going to.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 31 2020, @02:19PM (1 child)
People that calculate fatality rate by dividing the deaths by the infections are disingenuous.
At this point, many are still sick, thus you divide deaths by recoveries. The number changes from less than a percent more than one percent. That sounds like not much, but remember that the population of the US is over 300m, 1% is 3 million people.
And all of these statistics are before the entire medical field is overwhelmed by the exponential growth that viruses (and all life in a new fertile environment) exhibits. When the hospital usage flips from 95% to 130%, care becomes worse, and so do fatality rates.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday August 04 2020, @03:41AM
You want we should use the CDC numbers? You know, the ones where the official policy is if you die of any cause at all but test positive for coronaids, the death gets called a coronaids death? The ones that completely ignore the fact that every time any medical folks do a sampling of incoming patients for active or post-infection antibodies, ten times or more as many have already have post-infection antibodies as they catch active infections? And that's people who even bother going to the hospital. On a disease that can present as trivial symptoms or nothing at all. Thanks, I'd rather pull numbers out of an RNG. They're almost certain to be more accurate.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Monday August 03 2020, @03:01PM (2 children)
Hundredths of a percent? Where the fuck are you getting this number from? Most reliable numbers I'm seeing are in the tenths of a percent. Maybe you're right once we include asymptomatic types, but we're a long away from being able to determine that. I'm sure hoping that one report I've seen is right that some of us already have immunity to it, but I'm not counting on it.
No, we've been fucked economically by our own response to this virus. The "head in the sand" "virus will go away" do nothing magical thinking. Maybe we should pray harder. It would be just as effective.
Meanwhile people will pull back from spending during a crisis with an active virus capable of killing you slowly. Had our leadership taken some mildly painful action early on we could be weathering this without too much fuss. Instead we did nothing until it was too late, and now we have to take very painful measures to keep our medical systems from overloading and causing much higher rates of death.
155,000+ and counting...
The world is full of kings and queens who blind your eyes and steal your dreams.
(Score: 3, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday August 04 2020, @03:45AM (1 child)
Or we could have done nothing at all to control it except around those at high risk but instead put our efforts into increasing treatment facilities and resources and it literally wouldn't be possible to cause an outbreak anywhere in the US anymore by now.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Tuesday August 04 2020, @08:47PM
Ah yes, the "prepare for the best, hope it's not bad" approach. Insanely stupid considering what happened in Italy and Spain.
Completely irresponsible when dealing with a new relatively unknown threat. "Lettin' 'er rip" through the population without any idea about the long term effects of the virus is beyond idiotic.
Your belief is completely unfounded and not backed by the science. Why you continue to promote it I will never understand.
Over and out...
The world is full of kings and queens who blind your eyes and steal your dreams.