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Who Gets a Vaccine First? U.S. Considers Race in Coronavirus Plans:
Federal health officials are already trying to decide who will get the first doses of any effective coronavirus vaccines, which could be on the market this winter but could require many additional months to become widely available to Americans.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and an advisory committee of outside health experts in April began working on a ranking system for what may be an extended rollout in the United States. According to a preliminary plan, any approved vaccines would be offered to vital medical and national security officials first, and then to other essential workers and those considered at high risk — the elderly instead of children, people with underlying conditions instead of the relatively healthy.
Agency officials and the advisers are also considering what has become a contentious option: putting Black and Latino people, who have disproportionately fallen victim to Covid-19, ahead of others in the population.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 04 2020, @09:07PM (24 children)
This is example of Late-Stage Anti-Racism, which looks a lot like fucking Racism.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 04 2020, @09:48PM
Inside out reactionary anti-reverse old school racist! Must be a Milano.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 04 2020, @10:08PM (12 children)
Officials, essential workers, elderly, the rest.
Totally racist.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by sjames on Tuesday August 04 2020, @10:23PM (11 children)
I guess you fell asleep before you got to:
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @01:24AM (10 children)
Targeting people demonstrated most likely to catch it.
Totally racist.
(Score: 4, Informative) by sjames on Wednesday August 05 2020, @02:09AM (9 children)
More analysis is needed to see why. If it's because more Black and Latino people are essential workers, the disparity is already addressed by giving it to essential workers first. If it's a genetic difference, we need to study it for possible treatments. If it's an economic disparity that happens to follow ethnicity, we need to give it to lower income people first.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:14AM (4 children)
What the hell difference does it make?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:29AM
The Fee-Fees
(Score: 3, Informative) by sjames on Wednesday August 05 2020, @01:21PM (2 children)
Prioritization based on correct/appropriate criteria can save lives and reduce economic damage. Using wrong/inappropriate criteria can cost lives and increase economic damage.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @03:56PM (1 child)
Sounds like "Thoughts and Prayers" after the latest kid massacre.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @04:58PM
What a steaming pile of crap from a worm-infested ferret!
Beyond the fact that creating vaccine distribution policy recommendations is a completely different sport than tut-tutting over dead kids, your cavalier attitude to both is a little disturbing.
GP said [soylentnews.org]:
What might that criteria be? To me, it makes sense that those who are most vulnerable to life-threatening complications/have the most potential for exposure should be prioritized over other folks.
I'd (still waiting for that call from the CDC asking for my input on this important subject) recommend that priority be given to the elderly, the immuno-compromised, those who deal with Coronavirus patients, others who deal, in person, with large numbers of other people (EMTs, bus drivers, teachers, cops, etc.) as well as those in zip codes/census tracts [msu.edu] with the highest case/complications/mortality rates.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Dr Spin on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:54AM (2 children)
The science says most of this is accounted for by low levels of vitamin D which is very cheap. It is normally produced in the skin by sunlight (from cholesterol).
About 70% of "Afro-Americans" and 50% of Latinos in the USA have low levels of Vitamin D. There is clear evidence that low vitamin D makes respiratory disease,
including Covid-19 worse.
What is not clear is why governments are not publicising this - here in the UK it looks like "fear of being accused of being racist". No one in an American government has ever
been worried about being accused of being racist AFAICT. Trump appears to revel in it.
I take Vitamin D supplement - you should too, regardless of colour.
Warning: Opening your mouth may invalidate your brain!
(Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Wednesday August 05 2020, @12:06PM (1 child)
> The science says
Do you have a citation? Too much bs (and genuine mistakes) around...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @03:57PM
I heard it was colloidal silver. Better take that too, just in case.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:50PM
it's socio-economic, ffs
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Mykl on Tuesday August 04 2020, @10:26PM (9 children)
If your goals is to minimise deaths, and there are proportionally more deaths in the black and latino population, then it's not racist to focus your efforts where they are most required.
Similarly, it's not "Statist" to send vaccines to hardest hit states ahead of those states that are doing better.
Neither is it ageist to give the vaccines to those age groups hardest hit first.
Now, if all of the vaccines went to swing states first, I'd be crying foul.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by c0lo on Tuesday August 04 2020, @11:19PM (2 children)
It's also convenient they are expendable when it comes to test the effectiveness and safety of a vaccine rushed out of the door for electoral reasons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday August 05 2020, @02:30AM (1 child)
That, exactly. If people have faith in the vax, the rich people will line up to pay premium prices for the first shots. If there is little faith in the vax, they'll be down in the 'hood, asking for volunteers.
I have no ill will to anyone in the 'hood, but someone down there can have mine if he wants it. I don't want it.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @11:45AM
Thanks for volunteering to take chances with Covid, especially in your age group.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by darkfeline on Wednesday August 05 2020, @03:02AM (1 child)
I'd like to see evidence that deaths are correlated independently with race and not with poverty. There are poor white people too you know.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:16AM
And hooooooow much effort did you put into answering your own question?
(Score: 2, Touché) by sorokin on Wednesday August 05 2020, @09:45AM (1 child)
> If your goals is to minimise deaths, and there are proportionally more deaths in the black and latino population, then it's not racist to focus your efforts where they are most required.
Men should get the vaccine first. And, it is not sexist to focus your efforts where they are most required.
(Score: 2) by Mykl on Thursday August 06 2020, @01:36AM
I agree - broadly speaking, if men are getting COVID more and dying more, then they should get the vaccine ahead of women.
(Score: 2) by Entropy on Wednesday August 05 2020, @03:51PM (1 child)
Guess if your goal is to eliminate rape & murder you should focus on the group that does the most rape, and murder?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @04:00PM
Well there's only so much you can do after they become President. Gotta respect the DoJ memo, we are nation of Memos after all.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday August 04 2020, @09:08PM (15 children)
It will be rich people.
All the while there will be assurances the system is fair, and essential workers will be getting treatment first.
They won't though.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 04 2020, @09:16PM (3 children)
> It will be rich people.
It'll probably be tested on poor people first.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 04 2020, @10:31PM (2 children)
Why do you think they're talking about priority to wetbaX and niggers?
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 04 2020, @10:58PM
Kauz iss a win if it works, and a win if it don't.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @02:14AM
Still mad about having to raise your (((son)))?
(Score: 5, Interesting) by c0lo on Tuesday August 04 2020, @11:17PM (7 children)
No, they won't. They can afford to wait for 2-6 months and see if the vaccine is effective and doesn't have nasty side effects.
Neither them should be the first to have the "election vaccine" first, but it will be them to act as guinea pigs.
See also: Scientists Worry About Political Influence Over Coronavirus Vaccine Project [archive.is] (archived from NYTimes original [nytimes.com])
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday August 04 2020, @11:31PM (6 children)
When I said rich people, I really meant connected people, because they're often the same thing.
Of course rich people who don't have to mingle with the hoi-polloi won't need it until they're sure it's safe.
Political influence in America's vaccine project is SOP, because they can't do a project like that without someone getting their beak wet, can they?
I suspect the rest of us will just leave them alone to get on with it, and make use of the research coming out of Cambridge.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday August 05 2020, @12:28AM (3 children)
I reckon this time the election takes precedence over SOP.
Beak wetting is so much more profitable when done over long periods of time, with contact extensions and whatnot.
I think that we'll have anything that works and it's safe, may well be even the Russian one if proved so.
After all, it's a matter of just waiting 2-3 months more to see how the early adopters fare in large numbers. NZ (and I hope Aus too in Sept) may be in a good position to wait those 2-3 months.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @03:02AM (2 children)
No way. You can bet your Aussie arse that right now, behind closed doors, that the Yanks and Poms are saying something akin to: "Use or buy the Russian/Chinese vaccines, and, well, what a shame about that economy of yours."
And you know full well that the Australian politicians will put US or British demands above Australian needs. They always have, and always will.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:21AM
I think because deep down Australians know they're white trash. They inherited a pristine, ancient continent and littered it with beer cans.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday August 05 2020, @09:28AM
Actually, I don't know that fully well as you implied [abc.net.au]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday August 05 2020, @02:35AM (1 child)
You might want to do a search for rich, famous, and influential people who have contracted the disease. They DO mix with your hoi poloi. You think a senator, or a congressman, is paying a moderately wealthy person to clean his/her house? Their staff are all wealthy people, who work for 100K+? They only eat food prepared by fellow wealthy people?
You can make an argument that most wealthy people are better protected from the virus than you or I, but they are getting sick all the same.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @01:16PM
Not only are they getting sick, but their selfish efforts to avoid getting sick led to the disease making it's way more quickly to the communities where their vacation properties are. Really, the mega-wealthy need to be lined up against the nearest wall and shot with the most convenient gun available. They won't let us have any of the necessary medical infrastructure to deal with the pandemic and then do whatever they can to save themselves while the rest of the country burns.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:53AM
Huh? Wouldn't the obvious choice be those that believe it is a threat, so they're wearing masks, self isolate as much as possible?
I mean there's so many nuts err I mean decent folks out there that clearly believe it is nothing to worry about and go about their daily lives congregating, hugging and spewing their vapor all over the place. Surely they don't need a vaccine for something that is not a threat? Current US President included.
(Score: 2) by driverless on Wednesday August 05 2020, @12:28PM
It depends on when the vaccine comes out. If it's after January 20 then it'll be "vital medical and national security officials first". If it's before 20 January it'll be the President, the President's friends and family, the President's major campaign donors, the President's billionaire friends, the staff of Fox News and OANN, the rest of the Republican party, and then eventually maybe some also-rans like doctors and nurses if there's any doses left over.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday August 05 2020, @03:07PM
Here is a plan that is fair to everyone.
Ask Scientists! Who should get the vaccine first?
Then: do just the opposite of what scientists say!
Cool plan! It is so ordered.
When trying to solve a problem don't ask who suffers from the problem, ask who profits from the problem.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 04 2020, @09:20PM (30 children)
This is nationalized healthcare folks.
Why in the world National Security is prioritized over Police, Firefighters, THE ELDERLY WHO ARE MOST AT RISK, judges, food-industry-workers, is BEYOND me.
Probably some crazy deal where "National Security" overrides anything and everything as soon as the phrase is used.
It's all fun and games until it's taken a step further and the government starts deciding who lives and who dies (hint, they'll decide in their favor- not yours).
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 04 2020, @09:54PM (26 children)
Love this paranoid peasant-type thinking: the government is a "They", like, you know, the aristocracy? The US Constitution says "We the People", not "Them, the government."
We will choose you for death, for the benefit of all of us, not for our personal interests. Thank you for your service!
(Score: 5, Insightful) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday August 04 2020, @11:35PM (25 children)
The real stupid is that our conspiracy theory idiot A/C seems to think that in countries with nationalised health care (which is everyone except America) somehow the "government" decides how people are treated, as if the minister of health hangs out all day at the hospital pointing at people and shouting "no treatment for you!".
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday August 05 2020, @02:37AM (23 children)
Who does then?
(Score: 4, Insightful) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday August 05 2020, @03:02AM (16 children)
Doctors. Who else would?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday August 05 2020, @12:38PM (1 child)
The standards bodies that decide what proper healthcare is.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday August 05 2020, @08:38PM
That is not how healthcare works, at least where I live.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday August 05 2020, @01:00PM (13 children)
The primary party in such universal healthcare systems for determining whether doctors follow these myriad rules are government-based. Hence, government naturally enters - it has to in order to prevent well known and serious abuses of the system by doctors as well as merely paying for that system. That's how "somehow" the government gets involved. And once they can meddle for good reasons, they can meddle for bad reasons. Conflict of interest and all that.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday August 05 2020, @08:44PM (12 children)
None of the things you have proposed in your reply exist in my country's healthcare system.
Doctors are certainly regulated, but by their professional bodies, which the government has no part in, because the government does not have the expertese.
In a publically funded system, the "healthcare vendors" are the same publicly funded bodies the doctors work for.
The government's role is to dish out the money to the healthcare service, then go away. Which is what they do.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday August 05 2020, @11:51PM (11 children)
That indicates to me that you don't know how your country's healthcare system works.
Not buying it in the least.
We call publicly funded systems, "governments".
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday August 06 2020, @12:52AM (10 children)
But you do. Oh, yes, of course you do. :-)
That doesn't make it any less true.
Why? They're not. Or at least they don't have to be, and ours are not.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday August 06 2020, @01:36AM (9 children)
Pretty much.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday August 06 2020, @02:45AM (8 children)
Despite never having left America in your life.
You know a whole lot less about the world than you think you do.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday August 06 2020, @04:19AM (6 children)
Moving on, my stab at web searching/stalking indicates you're likely from some English-speaking part of the world which isn't Europe or North America. This post [soylentnews.org] seems to imply not Europe with your discussion of Kiwi slang indicating you may be from the heralded land of New Zealand or nearby regions. Well, all of those health programs are funded by government - that's a huge avenue for government intrusion contrary to your repeated assertions.
Well, if it's New Zealand, we have things like "district health boards", partially appointed by the central government via the Ministry of Health. Australia has Medicare which is administrated by the government (and covers a bunch of health care funding). Both providing ways for government to enter into the systems in question. I probably got your number already, but it doesn't matter if you're from somewhere else. These same structures exist in all such systems. Provide the name of your country and I will show how you are wrong. And it won't take more than a cursory review of the Wikipedia entry for your country's health care system to do that.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday August 06 2020, @07:19AM (5 children)
No you won't, not that it will stop you.
Seriously, governments don't make decisions about health treatment because they employ doctors who do.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday August 06 2020, @02:16PM (4 children)
That statement is so broken. Every government decision is made by someone employed by government. Doctors being employed by government are a big step towards being the proxies by which governments make decisions about health treatment. And if we actually looked at the healthcare structure of your country rather than merely take your ignorant words at face value, we would no doubt see fingerprints of government decisions everywhere.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday August 06 2020, @11:40PM (3 children)
Or, we might find out how it works by experiencing healthcare first hand.
I hope I don't need another bowel resection, because the recovery is really unpleasant, but if I do I'll make sure to phone the Minister of Health so he can tell the surgeon what to do, shall I?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday August 07 2020, @04:03AM (2 children)
Now, you're claiming that merely "experiencing healthcare" somehow gives you insight.
So you care to describe how getting a bowel resection enlightens one on the power and role of government in that healthcare? Solely for our entertainment, of course, since it won't have a factual basis.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Saturday August 08 2020, @01:22AM (1 child)
And you're claiming that you know how healthcare works in a country you've never visited and know nothing about, because your feelings about the government's role is more valid than experience.
Your ignorance is not more valid than my experience.
Bog standard Republican scare-mongering is boring.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday August 08 2020, @04:16AM
I haven't visited said country, but I do know a bit about it. Meanwhile, you have mentioned no relevant experience.
My experience is more valid than your ignorance.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday August 06 2020, @04:22AM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:25AM (5 children)
Another effort-free khallow post. Someone answer my questions because I can't do it myself.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday August 05 2020, @12:49PM (4 children)
The effort comes later [soylentnews.org]. And I don't magically know what PartTimeZombie believes until I ask. Here, the flaw is the presumption that doctors are the only parties in the healthcare system with power to decide healthcare for their patients. That is not so, no matter where in the world you are.
(Score: 3, Informative) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday August 05 2020, @09:08PM (3 children)
While it is true that doctors are not the only parties involved in healthcare decisions, the weirdly American presumption that "the government" will decide anything about healthcare is just wrong.
It is not how publically funded healthcare works, and the idea that it is, is a strawman used to scare Americans away from advocating for proper healthcare.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday August 06 2020, @01:01AM (2 children)
I imagine, if you were to name the country you reside in (Australia, right?), we'd find another country with these "weirdly American" presumptions.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday August 06 2020, @02:44AM (1 child)
You would imagine wrong about that, but of course you've never travelled outside your provincial little state, and you think the third-hand information you get about the rest of the world is actually true.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday August 06 2020, @03:44AM
The third hand information I'm getting from you, that is.
(Score: 2) by sjames on Wednesday August 05 2020, @11:34AM
And yet have no objection to a health insurance executive ordering more denials so he can afford a new winter yacht.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by ledow on Wednesday August 05 2020, @07:31AM (2 children)
Yeah, only the majority of developed countries have got universal free healthcare and made it work, it's clearly such a bad idea....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_universal_health_care [wikipedia.org]
P.S. What is it about nationalised universal healthcare that makes you think that doctors would dash away from a dying elderly person to give it to a McDonald's chef who isn't that bad? Or do you not understand that concept that everyone gets the same healthcare and you have to pay only if you want something more?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @01:20PM (1 child)
Yes and if it's not outright free at point of service, the copay is very low.
What's really messed up here is that 69% of Americans, including 46% of Republicans support universal healthcare, but that stupid bitch Pelosi won't even pass the measure in the House. The Democrats control the House and they won't even pass a public option for the current laws. It really says something when you've got a supermajority of voters that want something and near unanimity in your own party and that's still not enough.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday August 05 2020, @09:35PM
Oh yes, the fact Americans get screwed by your terrible, terrible healthcare system is entirely Nancy Pelosi's fault, and it always has been.
Thanks for pointing out how one person controls your political system.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday August 04 2020, @09:23PM (1 child)
What kind of fucked up priority is that?!
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday August 04 2020, @09:26PM
Whoops! so sorry. I was thinking who is going to be "first" to come up with the vaccine, like a competition
We already know who to test it on first
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 5, Insightful) by fido_dogstoyevsky on Tuesday August 04 2020, @09:40PM (3 children)
Presumably the people who say that COVID-19 isn't really a problem will have it last...
It's NOT a conspiracy... it's a plot.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 04 2020, @09:50PM (1 child)
If they last that long. Too late for Herman. Maybe too late for Louie.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @04:03PM
Depends on your perspective as the observer. I think Herman played it pretty much perfect. The joke writes itself.
(Score: 2) by toddestan on Thursday August 06 2020, @11:15PM
If they have the vaccine at all. There's a pretty big overlap between the "COVID is a hoax" crowd and the anti-vax crowd.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 04 2020, @09:49PM (3 children)
something to the effect of "I can't win. If I get it first, I'll be accused of being greedy. If the people get it first, I'll be accused of letting the people suffer the risks first".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 04 2020, @10:15PM
Poor baby. I wanna wrap him up in cotton wool and protect him.
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Wednesday August 05 2020, @03:03PM (1 child)
Then he might as well get it first, since he is already accused of being greedy.
The world is full of kings and queens who blind your eyes and steal your dreams.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday August 08 2020, @04:17AM
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 04 2020, @10:15PM (5 children)
"putting Black and Latino people, who have disproportionately fallen victim to Covid-19, ahead of others in the population."
We could come up with so many criteria, like type of occupations, available healthcare, etc., to prioritize those at higher risks, instead of such ham-fisted idiocy (Affirmative Action all over again).
I mean, blacks and latinos aren't getting hit harder simply because they are are blacks and latinos.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 04 2020, @11:34PM
That's what the CDC is doing (break with tradition and read TFA).
Vaccinating a nation as big as the US, let alone the whole world, will require staging of vaccinations, as we need to ramp up production capacity, despite the billions we're paying big pharma. Not that I think it's a bad idea, although I think it would be a good idea to have contingencies build into such contracts that obligates all the participants to pivot (as quickly as is practicable) to producing the vaccine that's approved first.
Regardless, it's appropriate to prioritize those most at risk. It also makes sense to also prioritize those who are treating COVID patients, whether those are doctors/nurses/hospital staff, first responders or other folks whose jobs put them in contact with lots of people.
That's almost certainly true.
Since we still live in a pretty segregated society, geographic location can often be a proxy for ethnicity and/or melanin content.
The controversy could be avoided by just looking at case/complications/mortality rates by zip code or census tract [msu.edu], and prioritize the places where negative outcomes are highest.
Regardless, those who are most at risk should be given priority. Use the data and prioritize accordingly.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @12:51AM (3 children)
AA is dumb, blunt instrument. Even if you think it was necessary at the time, the time has changed.
Today, AA benefit mostly upper-class black and latino kids, not the inner city blacks and latinos.
The inner-city blacks and latinos face similar problems as the trailer trash whites, Native Americans in the reserves, Asian/Muslim immigrants in the ghetto, etc. etc. Why the discrimination among them? Why exacerbate racial/tribal tension? Just so the rich and powerful, be you white/brown/black, can hide in you bunker while the naive plebes go on a racial riots and kill each other? While serving you rich overlords?
This is why the renewed BLM won't do shit. It needs to widen the scope. Be inclusive. Listen to Doctor King.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:32AM
You sound like a filthy socialist to me.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @01:24PM (1 child)
The parent poster is not wrong. One of the big reasons that the civil rights movement of the '50s and '60s was so effective is that they had smart people organizing and they were fighting real problems. These days, most of the problems they're fighting are stupid and not even communicated to other groups in an intelligent way. Even when videos do come out that clearly indicate that the movement is wrong, you never hear any acknowledgement about it.
If they want credibility, it would be helpful to be less ignorant and racist than the people that you're accusing of being ignorant and racist. Much of what they're fighting to end was already dealt with or is already illegal. Once laws are changed, it can take decades for the results to finalize.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @04:05PM
Good point. You got the vote. So vote, don't come bitching at me that 70% of you don't vote.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Snotnose on Tuesday August 04 2020, @10:23PM (9 children)
Followed by the idiots that don't understand why those long term trials the FDA likes to see before saying a drug is safe is considered A Good Thing.
I keep reading "who will get the first vaccines?". I seriously hope to be at the end of that list. I would much rather take my chances of A) getting it in the first place; and B) having it put me into the ICU; than C) take a rushed to market injection who's effectiveness is probably going to be more political than medical.
See also, Hydroxycloroquine, or whatever the fuck the Orange one says he takes every day.
Or Thalidomide, if you're either old enough or educated enough to know what that is.
When the dust settled America realized it was saved by a porn star.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 04 2020, @11:13PM (7 children)
The US has a history of biological experimentation on black citizens at home, and Latinos abroad, in Guatemala (members of both groups were allowed to suffer and die while being given fake treatments, so the disease progression to death from syphilis could be studied). With the current administration's open racism including support for white supremacist and Neo-Nazi groups, and the extent that many agencies have been taken over by Trump people, I can't help but be suspicious of their motives.
If the current government gives this new vaccine to black and Latinos first, is it for their benefit, or is it just the last phase of testing in the expedited trials?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 04 2020, @11:41PM (2 children)
This was in reply to Snotnose, above, but i moved it here to point out they did plenty of experimentation on whites during that era too:
As a 2nd gen survivor of them shooting up moms in the 40s and 50s to 'give vitamins to the babies' or whatever bullshit they gave, yeah, fuck being first past the post. I'll take my chances on dying until there are a lot of other guinea pigs living successful lives from any treatments being pushed by the government or corporations before I consider getting one myself. Mitigating risk of contamination right now is a lot safer than trying out any of the 'cures'..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @01:28PM (1 child)
And this is the main reason why some communities are in so much trouble. the '40s and '50s was a long time ago, there's been a ton of civil rights progress made since then. If the response to everything that goes on is based upon what happened decades previous, then there's absolutely no chance of positive change.
Sometimes, the beliefs aren't even based in reality. Hospitals do not murder black patients in order to steal body parts. The oak trees were cut down decades ago due to Dutch Elm Disease, not because the police needed a better view into people's homes. And white supremacy is something that klansmen and neo-Nazis support, not typical white people. The concept of "white" that they use to justify that is based on a definition of white that's only a few decades old, but we're supposed to believe that the same concept of race was being used centuries before it was even developed?
(Score: 2) by toddestan on Thursday August 06 2020, @11:22PM
Dutch elm disease affected elm trees. Oak trees are totally unaffected. If they said they needed to cut down the oak trees because of Dutch elm disease, then they wanted to cut down those oak trees for some other reason and blamed Dutch elm disease as a convenient (if unrelated) excuse.
Beware of those that'll likewise use COVID as a convenient excuse to do things that they wouldn't otherwise get away with.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @12:49AM (3 children)
The word you are looking for is Nazi.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:03AM (2 children)
No, NAZI just means someone I disagree with.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:29AM
Not the ones who are good people though. There's good and bad in everyone. And we learn to live, we learn to give each other what we need to survive together alive.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 06 2020, @04:17AM
You can tell a Nazi by the way they get so upset about anyone being called a Nazi. And here I thought that people who wave flags tend to identify with said flags.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @04:07PM
Don't forget Gulf War Syndrome. It was actually a placebo designed to filter out whining malingers. Step up for the vaccine folks (names will be taken).
(Score: 2) by krishnoid on Tuesday August 04 2020, @11:15PM (3 children)
Definitely! They should offer first shots to the Black and Latino animal subjects as well. Who wouldn't want the option to be a Beta tester [youtube.com] for new products under intense time pressure to get to market?
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @12:08AM (2 children)
you ever wonder why they call it lay the melting pot
they added pistols crack and haze just to see what they got
it's called genocide
with a very specific purpose
it's killing black and Latinos and all of us should be nervous
you need proof
look what they did to the neighbors
covid booze and treachery the devil's created
plays cheats wanna slap'em in a reservation
I'm talking project ten an it's from the plantation
and in the penitentiary they're doing castrations
puttin poison in the food so you can't taste em
but the trickery ain't fool'in me I'm schoolin the youth
and we don't need no education what we need is the truth
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday August 05 2020, @02:44AM
While you're blathering about some white conspiracy to get rid of blacks and latinos, I would like you to pause for a few seconds.
Pretty much all of that poison hand cleaner and shit seems to be coming out of Mexico. But, I suppose it's a secret enclave of white people who are manufacturing, distributing, and selling it, right?
BTW - if you don't drink your hand cleaner, I think your chances of survival go up some.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @10:59PM
Did you write that or is it a quotation?