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HS that suspended teen who tweeted photo of hallway has 9 COVID-19 cases:
North Paulding High School in Dallas, Georgia, sent a letter to parents Saturday, saying, "At this time, we know there were six students and three staff members who were in school for at least some time last week who have since reported to us that they have tested positive." The letter was published by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
Most or even all of the six students and three staff members who tested positive could have had the virus before the school reopened on Monday, August 3. As Harvard Medical School explains, "The time from exposure to symptom onset (known as the incubation period) is thought to be three to 14 days, though symptoms typically appear within four or five days after exposure," and "a person with COVID-19 may be contagious 48 to 72 hours before starting to experience symptoms."
[...] As we reported Friday, the school issued a five-day suspension to student Hannah Watters after she posted a photo to Twitter, noting the "jammed" hallways and "10 percent mask rate." The school lifted her suspension after extensive media coverage. One other unnamed student who was suspended for a similar reason also had the suspension reversed, the Journal-Constitution said.
Students attended class in person only on Monday through Wednesday, as the district said it conducted a short first week "so that all of our schools can step back and assess how things are going so far."
Update at 6:50pm ET: North Paulding High School announced Sunday that it has canceled in-person instruction for Monday and Tuesday, August 10 and 11, because of the nine positive cases and "the possibility that number could increase if there are currently pending tests that prove positive." The school said that on Tuesday evening, parents and students will be notified about whether in-person instruction will resume on Wednesday. Remote learning will continue while the school is closed.
Previously:
(2020-08-08) Pupils Who Shared Photos of Packed Corridor of Maskless Georgia Students Suspended
(Score: 1, Redundant) by Freeman on Wednesday August 12 2020, @03:10PM (34 children)
While one might say it serves them right. It's the students and families that are suffering. I'm a bit torn on what should be done, but at a certain point. If we don't get back to business as usual, we will have a new economic depression. That would be bad for everyone, except our enemies.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Immerman on Wednesday August 12 2020, @03:33PM (19 children)
> If we don't get back to business as usual, we will have a new economic depression.
Well, a severe recession anyway. And yes, that's what happens when you have a severe pandemic. There's not really any way to avoid that part, all we have control over is how many people die. You can't go back to business as usual until the disease is controlled - trying to just means a whole lot more people die, and the survivors stop trusting the government so that once the disease really is controlled, everybody continues to hide because they don't want to die, and the government already lied to them once about it being safe so why should they believe them now?
>That would be bad for everyone, except our enemies.
Except that our enemies are also suffering from the same pandemic. Our suffering is (arguably) good for them, but their suffering is (arguably) good for us - so things kinda balance out on that front. Unless one or the other actually does a good job of managing the pandemic and maintaining their population's trust in the government - in which case they recover much faster once the threat has passed and gain a strategic advantage.
This isn't exactly unexplored territory - we've got lots of documentation of what happened in previous major pandemics, how hard economies were hurt, and how quickly they recovered under a lot of different responses, with the 1918 flu being particularly well documented. In 1918 those states that shut down soonest and most completely, and remained shut down until the pandemic was actually over, were the ones that recovered to pre-pandemic levels the fastest. While those that lied about how bad things really were, and tried to open up long before the pandemic was over... well they had a long hard road to recovery.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 12 2020, @03:46PM (4 children)
Honestly, who are the enemies of America anyway? Mexico and Canada?
Or maybe what people really mean by "enemies" and those who America has simply decided to fuck with and a pandemic can't be allowed to put a full stop to that!!
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Grishnakh on Wednesday August 12 2020, @03:54PM (2 children)
Russia, Iran, and China are the top three that come to mind. North Korea too, though they really don't have much power to do anything. And no, Russia isn't an "enemy" as you put it; like China, they have aspirations of becoming a superpower again, and America is in their way. When one country wants to become the most powerful nation on earth, and enjoy the benefits that come with that, any other nations that are an obstacle to that goal automatically become enemies.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 12 2020, @06:11PM
None of those are even your continent. They are not "enemies". That's the doublespeak Americans can't get their head around for some reason. Russia and China are competitors. Iran and North Korea are resistant.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 13 2020, @01:07AM
China has such a loooong way to go to get close to the USA.
Their best and brightest emigrate asap and don't go back. Yes, some are spies but a vast vast majority just want to get out of that corrupt bullshit where the President puts his son-in-law and daughter in top government positions. Yes I'm being facetious but this is a gross anomaly in the USA that both parties will fix in short order when Trump is no longer relevant. Just like the 22nd Amendment pass about 5 seconds after Roosevelt (the famous one) died.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by c0lo on Thursday August 13 2020, @03:11AM
"We have met the enemy and he is us"
--- Pogo, cca 1971
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Grishnakh on Wednesday August 12 2020, @04:06PM (10 children)
Except that our enemies are also suffering from the same pandemic.
Not really, no. Just look at the numbers; Iran had a hard time at first, but we're far, far ahead of them in infections and deaths per-capita now, and they seem to have it under control. China has done far better (even if you believe they cooked the numbers), and it's totally under control there. We're handling this about as well as Brazil right now. If anything, this pandemic is a boon for our biggest enemies, because it's hurt us so much more than them, and is threatening to tear the country apart, which is great for countries that want to create a power vacuum that they can then step in to fill.
Unless one or the other actually does a good job of managing the pandemic and maintaining their population's trust in the government - in which case they recover much faster once the threat has passed and gain a strategic advantage.
That doesn't look like it's going to happen here.
In 1918 those states that shut down soonest and most completely, and remained shut down until the pandemic was actually over, were the ones that recovered to pre-pandemic levels the fastest. While those that lied about how bad things really were, and tried to open up long before the pandemic was over... well they had a long hard road to recovery.
There was a lot less travel between states in 1918, so it was easier to isolate them from each other. Not so much now. Now we're all going to have a long, hard road to recovery. Meanwhile, China will be happy to take on a bigger leadership role in the world while we're preoccupied with the pandemic.
(Score: 2) by requerdanos on Wednesday August 12 2020, @04:42PM (2 children)
There was still much travel, aiui. The prevalent travel was just of a different nature, mostly soldiers moving into high-concentration areas to be deployed overseas, spreading the flu to each other and to the people along their journeys and at their destinations.
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Wednesday August 12 2020, @05:16PM (1 child)
That's how the 1918 flu spread so fast. But the key is that it was of a different nature as you said: it was much easier to isolate states from each other because they didn't just have people driving or flying all over the country willy-nilly like we do today. People stayed much closer to their homes. So once the problem was identified, it was much easier for states (who wanted to) to contain it.
(Score: 2) by deimtee on Thursday August 13 2020, @03:31AM
A better comparison would be between the different responses in states back then equating to countries now.
If you cough while drinking cheap red wine it really cleans out your sinuses.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Immerman on Wednesday August 12 2020, @04:42PM (3 children)
How's Iran's economy doing? We're talking economy here after all, not infections or deaths, since the implied argument for "we need to get back to business as usual" is basically "let people die to improve the economy", despite the fact that that has never actually worked.
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Wednesday August 12 2020, @05:11PM (2 children)
I imagine Iran's economy is doing better now than when they were at the peak of Covid infections. What exactly are you getting at? Iran isn't an example of "let people die to improve the economy"; Iran actually handled it somewhat competently, given the challenges they had with being embargoed. I don't know of any real-life examples of "let people die to improve the economy" actually, but this does seem to be what roughly half of Americans want to do.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Immerman on Wednesday August 12 2020, @05:52PM
Well, assuming you consider them an enemy woth considering at all, they'd be the enemy in my original post that managed the pandemic effectively, and whose economy would recover to pre-pandemic levels much faster than our own, and thus gain a strategic advantage.
But it's not the pandemic that gave them the advantage, it's our own piss-poor handling of it.
I specifically mentioned where to find plenty of examples of "let people die to improve the economy", and how terribly it worked out in the end - the handling of the 1918 flu. And we've apparently learned nothing since then, with much of the population, many states, the President himself, going all in on "just let people die". So we all get to sit back, relax, and enjoy the nigh-inevitable even worse economic damage from that. Yay.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 13 2020, @01:13AM
> I imagine Iran's economy is doing better now
Cool.
I imagine Iran's economy is not doing better now. Now what?
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday August 12 2020, @09:09PM (2 children)
I don't believe that China cooked the numbers, at all. What they did, was to send in a team with flamethrowers, to incinerate all of the records. Seriously, they stand at ground zero, and claim that they had fewer casualties than ANYBODY in the world? The most populous nation in the world, with fewer cases and fewer deaths than some tiny countries that no one ever heard of? In effect, they are telling us that their people are immune, or so close to immune as to not make much difference.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 13 2020, @01:25AM
To be fair, just like the UK's new rules, if you tested positive but died of another cause - such as being lined up and shot - then you can be removed from the COVID statistics.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 13 2020, @08:38AM
So they overcooked the numbers?
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 12 2020, @04:33PM
There is a reason we didn't do a lunatic response like this to a seasonal infection for over 100 years.
(Score: 3, Informative) by HiThere on Wednesday August 12 2020, @07:53PM (1 child)
Talking about the deaths from COVID is a way of underestimating the costs. If a person dies there's a short term added expense. If they've got a stroke or kidney damage there may be an ongoing cost that continues for decades. And a lot of people are experiencing continuing symptoms. Even the asymptomatic cases may well have contracted permanent heart damage. A short time study showed asymptomatic cases as having signs of heart damage a couple of months after "recovery". They were careful to say this doesn't prove permanent damage...but they sure left the door open to find that later. And they didn't check for kidney damage, micro-strokes, etc. which may also have been present. And this was with asymptomatic cases. In symptomatic cases irrecoverable damage to organs is not uncommon. People don't usually die of it unless the cases are very severe, but ...
Of course, I could be wrong. There hasn't been enough research in this area to be certain. But preliminary reports don't look good.
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(Score: 2) by dry on Thursday August 13 2020, @04:21AM
I saw a small study where most cases including asymptomatic cases showed dark areas in the lungs when X-rayed.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 12 2020, @04:30PM (3 children)
What's worse: 1. 90% out of work for a month. 2. 15% out of work for two years.
I think that if we had done a truly hard, intelligent, enforced lock-down, it would be scenario 1. Scenario 1 wouldn't have destroyed the economy. Many people can sustain themselves for a month with no income, and the burden of government aid for those who can't is not that bad for just one month.
Instead, it's looking like we're closer to scenario 2. Scenario 2 isn't just bad for the increased loss of income. It's bad because of the prolonged effect. Even though fewer people are out of work, most people can't sustain that for such a long period of time. That has knock-in effects that tend to amplify the impact in the larger economy.
In other words, American culture seems to be uniquely geared to drag this out unnecessarily long, and to approach it in ways that are less effective.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 12 2020, @07:23PM
>> Many people can sustain themselves for a month with no income,
Not the 57% of Americans who live paycheck to paycheck. Are you expecting them to starve? #BLM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 13 2020, @01:23AM
Yes, some can, and some of us could sustain ourselves for far longer than a month with no income.
But, there are far too many who cant: Many Americans who can't afford a $400 emergency blame debt [cnbc.com]
There are way too many who have flunked basic economics.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 13 2020, @01:29AM
The good news for the USA is that if we drag it out then we drag everyone else along with us.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by sjames on Wednesday August 12 2020, @05:40PM (2 children)
On the other hand, if a bunch of people are saddled with unpayable medical debt and/or left with lasting symptoms that leave them unable to work, that won't be good for the economy either.
In this case, school is an activity that can be accomplished virtually. There's no need to make the pandemic worse in order to do in-person school at this time. What's really inexcusable is that they not only insisted on having school in-person, they aren't requiring masks or apparently doing anything at all to mitigate potential spread of covid. Teachers in Polk and Cherokee county report that the promise to sanitize the classrooms between classes is a bad joke at best. They're doing no such thing.
That's part of the problem with the discussion in the U.S. Too many people pretending that a few reasonable precautions is the same as shutting down the economy and hiding in a bunker. Working from home where feasible is a prudent move and does not constitute shutting down the economy. Many workplaces have found work from home sufficiently effective that they're considering (or have already decided) making that policy even after the pandemic is resolved.
Also notable, in neighboring Cherokee county, 900 students are currently in quarantine due to contact with students that have tested positive. School has only been open for 1 week.
Some have pointed out that the reason kids seem to be more resistant to COVID is that until a week ago, they were much more socially isolated than the adults since they were on summer vacation. As soon as they start having more contacts, that apparent resistance proves to be an illusion.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Wednesday August 12 2020, @08:03PM (1 child)
Well, to be fair it's not clear that the early school levels can be handled remotely. The information can be put out there, but that's only a small part of what he early years of school are about.
And I still think the cost is too high. Neighborhoods were isolated villages, then "village schools" would be a reasonable choice, but the parents spread out throughout the city or town in working, shopping, etc. The barber comes from a different neighborhood than the butcher or cash register attendant, and the garbage collector from somewhere else again. You don't have isolated bubbles. And schools with kids coming in from all over the city/town make things a LOT worse...and they share the diseases they pick up. Back to school season has always been associated with a crop of new colds, etc. This time the etc. includes COVID. Even if the schools were all neighborhood schools, the parents don't live in the same bubble. When you get merging bubbles like that (this doesn't only apply to schools!) the very concept of bubble turns into a false security blanket.
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(Score: 2) by sjames on Wednesday August 12 2020, @08:43PM
Australia [archive.org] has managed it for years.
It beats a repeat of the summer camp fiasco [webmd.com].
(Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Wednesday August 12 2020, @09:37PM (1 child)
A little bit of a false equivalency. One might instead establish new normals instead of thinking one has to return to the way things were. Though I would have to admit that history does not generally support this. People do tend to want to go right back to they way things were previously even though one can never really go back and it wasn't that great beforehand. So we squander an opportunity to create new structures for the better.
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(Score: 2) by Freeman on Thursday August 13 2020, @03:42PM
While I might be quite happy with working from home:
Suddenly working at home? We’ve done it for 22 years—and have advice [arstechnica.com]
I'm somewhere between a place that has embraced working from home and Charter:
Charter employees beg for work-from-home rights during pandemic [arstechnica.com]
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 2) by https on Wednesday August 12 2020, @10:58PM (4 children)
Translation: "I want my old job back, and I don't care how many other people are crippled or killed for it to happen."
Offended and laughing about it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 13 2020, @12:23AM (2 children)
Many of us do not get free government money to never have to work for their own survival again.
Many more do not want to live like that. And this year we get to have a bit of a word in that.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 13 2020, @01:32AM
Some also don't see it as one or the other.
(Score: 2) by https on Thursday August 13 2020, @02:51PM
Your framing is borken. It's not money so you don't have to work. It's money so you don't have to kill.
Or is this particular Anonymous Coward actually OK with their mere survival coming at the expense of the lives and well-being of innocent bystanders? Just remember that when your like-minded buddies have been infecting you for weeks before they showed any symptoms. And you should have killed them (they're not innocent bystanders after all) weeks ago. Some "buddy" you are, huh?
Offended and laughing about it.
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Thursday August 13 2020, @04:09PM
A school can mandate dress code, so they should be able to handle students wearing masks. Though, perhaps, that's not a thing in public schools.
Your, "kill them all and let God sort 'em out" kind of translation, isn't a good faith translation of what I said.
At some point, we do have to get back to business or everything collapses. I for one have been to third world/developing countries and I don't want the USA to become one. I get taking precautions, etc.
Perhaps, if we responded like a totalitarian state, we could have nipped this thing in the bud. Then again, China only fixed their own problem. They sure didn't want their neighbors to close their borders with them and pressured them to keep them open. Yet, when the whole pandemic got out of hand, China was sure happy to close their own borders to others to keep the virus from coming back in. Would have also been nice, if they'd been open about the whole developing problem, instead of hoping they could contain it. Then when it was clear that they hadn't contained it, they released poor quality data, and probably blatant lies. All the while, the WHO was saying, wow, we're so glad that China has been doing such a bang up job! Well done! That's like pouring on the praise, telling them that they did such a great job, and how wonderful it is, that your child told you half the truth after you caught them lying to your face.
I've been working the whole time through the pandemic, thankfully. Yet, I'd have been quite happy to work from home the whole time. The place I work at is reluctant to allow people to work from home. We got to work from home for a little while, but they were very eager to get us back in the building. Even though I could do the major portion of my job remotely.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 0, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 12 2020, @03:11PM (7 children)
Really, only nine? Why not more? Shouldn't everyone in that enclosed space have been infected? What timeframe was this? There's suggestion that the majority of these infections occurred before the school opened? If they had a significant number of cases before school opened, then less-than-one new infection per infection, with no masks?
Not saying that masks don't help, not saying they were in the right in doing what they did, but what's up?
(Score: 4, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday August 12 2020, @03:19PM
Slow down. It takes time to incubate, time for symptoms to manifest, time for tests to be done. We don't know yet. It's within the realm of possibility that every student and every staff member in the school comes down sick in the next two weeks. I doubt that heppens, but it's possible.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 12 2020, @04:22PM
Most people who have COVID aren't going to be tested and, by extension, aren't getting counted. This is particularly true for young people, who are more likely to have mild or no symptoms. If there are nine positive tests, the actual number of cases may be much higher.
The spread of COVID is largely driven by superspreading events where one person has a very high viral load, participates in an activity very conducive to spreading COVID, and infects lots of people around them. If there wasn't a superspreading event in the school, the number of cases might remain rather low. But if such an event did occur there, far more students could be infected than what's currently been reported.
Let's hope that there weren't any superspreaders at that school.
(Score: 2) by sjames on Wednesday August 12 2020, @05:45PM
School only started a week ago. Testing is still slow and the results take a while to come back.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Wednesday August 12 2020, @08:21PM
1) It doesn't happen that quickly. You've got to figure in a time delay of (approximately) two weeks.
2) Not everyone exposed at any one time immediately gets COVID.
3) Lots of the cases are symptom free, but still spread the stuff.
4) It looks as if there may be a few "superspreaders" who catch the disease in a slightly different way that makes them more contagious, but with fewer symptoms. That one's still being evaluated.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 12 2020, @09:40PM
It's not an airborne virus. Infectivity is high for a droplet-borne disease, to the point that there seem to be novel anomalies similar to SARS before it. But not to the point that even standing a foot away from somebody with it guarantees you'll get it.
It doesn't take a 100% transmission rate for COVID to be a very serious disease.
(Score: 4, Informative) by sjames on Wednesday August 12 2020, @10:41PM (1 child)
This just in, According to channel 46 (CBS) News in Atlanta, the school now reports 35 confirmed cases and that classes will be virtual for the rest of the week.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 13 2020, @01:34AM
Really, only
nine46? Why not more? Shouldn't everyone in that enclosed space have been infected? What timeframe was this? There's suggestion that the majority of these infections occurred before the school opened? If they had a significant number of cases before school opened, then less-than-one new infection per infection, with no masks?(Score: 3, Disagree) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday August 12 2020, @03:16PM (48 children)
I haven't really come down on either side of opening schools. Yeah, schooling is critical, and we should open them as soon as possible. How soon is reasonably possible? I dunno, really. Schools have historically been a breeding ground for every infectious disease that man knows about. If the schools are open, you are accepting the fact that the infections will be spread.
Huh. No dead kids? Not even any dead staff? School staff is typically young and healthy. Yeah, some older people, but mostly young and healthy. Maybe the schools do need to be opened.
I'm not terribly interested in the theory that closing schools will protect ME, and people in my age group. The real question is, "Is it safe for the KIDS?"
If 75% of the kids get COVID19, and 99% of that 75% have full recoveries, then it's time for all the schools to reopen. Greater than 99% recovery would mean that we have over reacted all along.
Just keep the little terrors away from Grandma, and things should be fine.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday August 12 2020, @03:39PM (15 children)
And when they spread the disease to their older parents? Their grandparents?
Also, the avegare age for a school teacher is square in the danger zone of over 40 [ed.gov] so your claim they are mostly young is false.
Americans are entitled to a workplace free from recognized hazards. [osha.gov] A globally declared pandemic is pretty damn recognizable.
(Score: 2, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday August 12 2020, @03:44PM (14 children)
Dude, 40 is YOUNG! I wish I were 40 again, and in the same physical condition! Most of congress can't even remember what it was like being 40.
https://soylentnews.org/submit.pl?op=viewsub&subid=42657¬e=&title=The+Dinosaurs+in+Congress%3A+How+Many+Octogenarians+are+Seeking+Re-election+in+November%3F [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday August 12 2020, @03:46PM (12 children)
The virus doesn't give a crap about your opinions on relative age.
The virus is more deadly to people over 40 and most teachers are over 40.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Grishnakh on Wednesday August 12 2020, @03:59PM (11 children)
Yes, but why should we care about this? Since when has America given a crap about the safety of teachers, or even paying them decently to make the profession attractive? The American people clearly don't care much about teachers, or else they'd make this a priority in elections, so why not just force them to go back to work or else get fired? Also remember, we're talking about Georgia here, where a large chunk of the population thinks it's "just the flu" or is "exaggerated by the mainstream media".
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday August 12 2020, @04:06PM (10 children)
I care because I'm not a fucking asshole.
The government cares because the Occupational Safety and Health Act requires them to care.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday August 12 2020, @04:24PM (1 child)
Big deal. You're a virgin.
(Score: 2) by Subsentient on Thursday August 13 2020, @08:40AM
TFW when you're not an asshole or a virgin. It's not a boolean choice.
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." -Jiddu Krishnamurti
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Wednesday August 12 2020, @05:13PM (7 children)
I care because I'm not a fucking asshole.
Well people like you aren't doing a very good job of voting, are you? Or you just don't represent the majority. If you did, teaching would be a much more attractive and valued profession in this country.
The government cares because the Occupational Safety and Health Act requires them to care.
Not really. The government can easily ignore its own laws. Maybe they'll be penalized for it, years after the fact, in a court. Maybe.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday August 12 2020, @05:25PM (5 children)
I vote. But unfortunately for me the votes of the anti-education nutjobs count more than mine do.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday August 12 2020, @08:27PM (4 children)
Guess you're outnumbered, and maybe the people you vote for aren't very appealing. Pretty easy to see how the system works
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday August 12 2020, @08:42PM (3 children)
Nope, there were about 3 million more of us.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday August 12 2020, @09:15PM (2 children)
You have to win the majority of electoral votes. Gonna keep telling yourselves it ain't so?
You were outnumbered, and you might be again, for the exact same reason, the real one, not one your fantastic half-baked conspiracy theories
Your DNC is bogus, but right now we need a mannequin in the office that doesn't make the world barf. So whatever, I surrender to your Biden and Harris. I damn near like her
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 12 2020, @09:20PM (1 child)
Awww stupid fusty is leaking his rightwing bias again.
Better do some more damage control posts. I suggest insulting Trump, centrists love that one!
(Score: 2) by Aegis on Thursday August 13 2020, @03:09PM
Oh no, Fusty's both sides brain rot has spread into his mathematics!
1 and 2 are the EXACT SAME!!!!!!!
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Tork on Wednesday August 12 2020, @07:02PM
🏳️🌈 Proud Ally 🏳️🌈
(Score: 2) by Dr Spin on Wednesday August 12 2020, @05:04PM
Most of congress can't even remember what it was like yesterday.
FTFY
Warning: Opening your mouth may invalidate your brain!
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Immerman on Wednesday August 12 2020, @03:39PM (3 children)
Even assuming 100% of kids didn't develop symptoms, there's been some data suggesting they still develop a much higher viral load (as much as 100x), and are thus much more contagious.
Exactly how "safe" is it for a kid when they infect their parents who are subjected to massive medical bills that wipe out their family savings?
(Score: 1, Disagree) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday August 12 2020, @03:47PM (2 children)
Empirical data suggests that we're all going to die. Doomed! We're all doomed!! What some of us are suggesting is, we've over reacted to the most current threat.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Tork on Wednesday August 12 2020, @04:01PM (1 child)
And this is why we keep re-learning terrible lessons.
🏳️🌈 Proud Ally 🏳️🌈
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 13 2020, @01:40AM
Perhaps it's time to invade Iraq. Properly this time. Not like the other times.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 12 2020, @04:27PM
The problem is that young and healthy people are getting serious medical conditions from COVID. Young healthy people are still being left with chronic fatigue, lung damage, and other long term effects from this virus, too. There aren't a lot of people healthier than college athletes. The Big Ten and Pac-12 postponed fall sports because some of those athletes are developing myocarditis.
If you're only looking at the death rate, you're getting a very misleading picture of the actual risk level for young people. We don't know how they'll recover from these issues. Perhaps the issues will go away in a year or two like the longer term lung damage from SARS. But this virus isn't quite like SARS and we don't really know for sure how well they'll recover.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Opportunist on Wednesday August 12 2020, @05:10PM (1 child)
Are we talking about surviving the disease or fully recovering without any lasting effects?
There is a difference with Covid, ya know...
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday August 12 2020, @05:18PM
We should be looking at all the above. It is well worth remembering that a lot of people survived polio, but were severely crippled for life. So, yes, yours is a damned good question.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by sjames on Wednesday August 12 2020, @05:51PM (12 children)
So basically you're fine with a classroom full of kids dying in each school for the sake of them not being virtually schooled for 1 out of 36 quarters? You don't think that will cause any problems with education later when they get the message that society was happy enough for them to die for the sake of diagramming a few sentences and learning when George Washington was born?
(Score: 2, Disagree) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday August 12 2020, @05:56PM (11 children)
Nowhere have I suggested any such thing. You don't get to spin things outside of reality.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by sjames on Wednesday August 12 2020, @06:05PM (9 children)
Let's see, 75% of 2000 students get COVID, that's 1500 students. 99% of the 1500 recover leaving 15 that don't. That's about a classroom worth.
Put another way, that one school shooter with a couple magazines and a 9mm per school. Still sound good?
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Wednesday August 12 2020, @06:12PM (3 children)
Where the heck are you, that has a teacher-to-student ratio of 15 or better?
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 2) by sjames on Wednesday August 12 2020, @07:25PM (2 children)
Georgia. But it's been decades since I went to school there.
Nevertheless, is 15 students not recovering per school really acceptable? Especially when there are alternatives?
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Wednesday August 12 2020, @07:43PM (1 child)
Well if we want to reductio ad absurdum the argument, you can't put a pricetag on even 1 human life.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 13 2020, @02:12AM
Of course not. But definitely worth a expending few on lower gas prices. I'm not saying you can put a price on it, but if a few soldiers die and I can fill my tank for less than $50 it's worth it.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 12 2020, @07:06PM (4 children)
A good point.
Let's go even further though.
There are ~51 million [educationdata.org] k-12 students in the US.
If 75% are infected, that's ~37.5 million infections. If 1% of those kids die, that's 375,000 dead kids.
According to the CDC [cdc.gov], in normal times, less than 10,000 children under 18 die.
How about we cough and spittle on Runaway's grandkids. I'm sure he won't mind -- they'd just be part of that tiny (375,000) number of dead kids.
That's okay with you, isn't it Runaway?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday August 12 2020, @07:26PM (2 children)
When you send kids to school, you are intentionally putting them into an environment where they cough and sneeze on each other all day long. That has been part of the objection to opening the schools back up all along. Schools are breeding grounds for every disease known to man.
(Score: 2) by sjames on Wednesday August 12 2020, @09:12PM (1 child)
And that's why it is foolish to send them to school during a pandemic unless you're trying to get rid of them.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 13 2020, @02:14AM
Dude give up, the RunawayDoucheBag has been schooled and still keeps on dribbling out his lame bullshit.
(Score: 2) by srobert on Thursday August 13 2020, @12:02AM
You say that like it's a bad thing.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 13 2020, @03:02AM
Why not? You do this all the time!
(Score: 2, Disagree) by shortscreen on Wednesday August 12 2020, @06:14PM (2 children)
That's the big question mark. TFA doesn't say anything about whether these cases are at risk of serious health consequences. If the virus isn't harmful to kids then it isn't a reason to close schools. From what I've heard (which isn't much), a tiny number of teenagers have been hospitalized, but kids under 10 haven't had problems at all. If that is true, then maybe it would make sense to open elementary schools and leave high schools closed. Someone needs to look at the hard data and make a decision (but not this school administration which has already proven themselves to be incompetent in just one week).
As for staff, they are adults and should make their own choice. If doing their job would be too much of a risk, they should be replaced by someone else who can do the job. Someone will say that is "not fair" but it wasn't fair to any of the other people that lost their jobs either, viruses don't care about fairness. Meanwhile, the public is paying for a service and if that service isn't being delivered then they're being ripped off, and that goes double for parents who will need someone else to watch their children so they can go back to their own jobs.
Last but not least, even if schools are closed that doesn't mean kids won't be a vector in spreading the virus. If the kids aren't at school, large numbers of them will be at some other day care facility, or they'll be clogging up public places, or they'll be at home with older and more vulnerable relatives.
On second thought there is another difference between elementary schools and high schools that might be worth considering. The young kids typically stay in one classroom with the same classmates for most of the day, whereas high school kids rush back and forth through the building and sit down in a different room with different people each time. The "musical chairs" approach to schooling seems particularly ill suited to this kind of situation.
(Score: 3, Informative) by sjames on Wednesday August 12 2020, @11:05PM
A number of kids have suffered from something similar to Kawasaki Disease (which has a non-zero fatality rate) and some have died. The best explanation for relatively few kids being affected is that schools went virtual in the spring and they have been on summer vacation since then.
As for teachers, they should be able to work from home (as well as their students). Neither should suffer from official's stubborn unwillingness to live in realityland.
(Score: 2) by dry on Thursday August 13 2020, @04:39AM
And the trauma of having brought the disease home that killed their parents? Or even the worry? And kids are worried about it.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 12 2020, @06:15PM (5 children)
> If 75% of the kids get COVID19, and 99% of that 75% have full recoveries, then it's time for all the schools to reopen. Greater than 99% recovery would mean that we have over reacted all along.
5.8 million school aged children in the United States.
https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=372 [ed.gov]
75% of 5.8M is 4.35M
1% of 4.35M is 43,500.
43.5 thousand children is a pretty large number to sacrifice so some clown's stock portfolio doesn't take a temporary dip in value.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 12 2020, @06:25PM (1 child)
No. It's a pretty fucking small number for which to sacrifice all our lives trying to avoid the inevitable.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 12 2020, @08:32PM
"to sacrifice all our lives trying to avoid the inevitable"
lololol citation needed ;) just how dumb are you anyway?
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 12 2020, @07:12PM (2 children)
You read the link you posted [ed.gov] wrong:
There aren't 5.8 million, there are 56 million K-12 students in the US [educationdata.org]
So multiply all of your numbers above by 10.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 13 2020, @02:16AM (1 child)
Argument still stands for any numbers. Kill the weak, let the strong survive.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 13 2020, @01:56PM
Let's start with you.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 12 2020, @06:59PM
Bullshit, you've been an anti-masker economy over lives asshile this whole time.
Your attempt to seem like a centrist that just so happens to lean rightwing nutter is tiresome.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Wednesday August 12 2020, @08:25PM (1 child)
There's also the question of permanent damage. This is what bothers me. Even asymptomatic people have shown signs of heart damage a couple of months after they "cleared". And kidney damage doesn't show up as easily. Fortunately you start with more than twice as much kidney capacity as you need, but it doesn't repair easily, and people are known to suffer sufficient kidney damage to need mechanical support...or a transplant. Which means lifetime immune suppression, etc. Then there's stokes....
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday August 13 2020, @11:55PM
This frightens the hell out of me. I'm likely to survive it, being in my early 30s, healthy, and normal weight, but also being poor as hell means surviving it with a lifetime of debility would be worse than death. And this country sure as hell can't be counted on to do right by the people who end up like that.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 12 2020, @03:53PM (2 children)
Should be hung by their testicles in the hallway for a photo op.
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(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday August 12 2020, @05:20PM (1 child)
Hanging by testicles is considered poor form almost everywhere. Half the population lacks said testicles, so cannot be hung in that manner. Hanging people by their testicles is likely to result in tearing said testicles off, and allowing the hanged person to fall to the floor. It's just poor form, and Soylent's servers were trying to remind you of that fact.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 12 2020, @06:10PM
I mean, considering that the point of execution by hanging isn't actually to choke them to death, but to sever the spine resulting in more or less instantaneous death...
You know what, nvm, this analogy doesn't work
maybe that's the point
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday August 12 2020, @03:55PM (29 children)
Switching the schools on and off again like this whipsaws the students, parents, and everyone else connected to them. Switch them off. Homeschool exclusively. Lay off the administrators, staff, and all but a handful of teachers to serve as on-call tutors.
Some kids have gotten services through schools. That makes sense when schools are functioning normally, but keeping them open now just to deliver them is the least efficient way to do that; there are other ways.
Public education has needed a paradigm shift for decades. The way they teach prepares students to work in factories at the dawn of the industrial age. Now, it's holding them back from the 21st century. For example, all kids should learn how to program from kindergarten on (adjusted on an age-appropriate basis, of course). Math should be taught by people who love and understand math, not by English teachers who fear numbers. So, we should not lose the opportunity the coronavirus has presented to turn things around.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Grishnakh on Wednesday August 12 2020, @04:08PM (7 children)
Math should be taught by people who love and understand math, not by English teachers who fear numbers.
Where are you going to find people who love and understand math, and are interested in working in public schools (in Georgia no less) with all the discipline problems that exist there (not to mention the constant threat of school shootings), for utterly lousy pay? There's tons of far better-paying jobs out there that are far safer.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday August 12 2020, @05:23PM
Retirees?
Just an anecdote, but I know of a Naval Captain who retired (semi-forced retirement) who went on to teach mathematics in a large Virginia school system. Don't remember exactly, I think he taught for about 15 years before health forced him to retire again.
Rest in peace, Bad Bob.
(Score: 2) by sjames on Wednesday August 12 2020, @05:57PM
Although it was decades ago, That description fits my Algebra I teacher. My chemistry teacher got in to teaching after several years as an industrial chemist. We lost our Physics teacher after a couple years when his commission was reactivated so he could work on the MX Missile project.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday August 12 2020, @08:06PM (4 children)
There are people who love math, love kids, and love teaching. They don't need to have Gauss's ability to do that. They could be taking a breather from working in industry, or be retired. They could love time off more than money.
As for pay, I can't speak for the whole country in one gulp, because it varies so much, but New York City pays its teachers well and gives them excellent benefits.
But all that is if you want a traditional, physical school. I think there's too much cruft in that system now, and needs a reset for the 21st century. Meanwhile, I'd much rather have my kids learning math from Salman Khan online that wasting their time taking "math vocabulary" tests in a sweltering room in an NYC public school.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Wednesday August 12 2020, @09:18PM (3 children)
There are people who love math, love kids, and love teaching. They don't need to have Gauss's ability to do that. They could be taking a breather from working in industry, or be retired. They could love time off more than money.
If there were a sufficient number of people fitting this description, we wouldn't have problems with insufficient teachers or incompetent teachers in school systems nationwide. It doesn't help that the school environment in many places is awful and discourages people from going into the profession.
As for pay, I can't speak for the whole country in one gulp, because it varies so much, but New York City pays its teachers well and gives them excellent benefits.
Of course there's some places that pay teachers better. But in general, in the US, teachers are not paid well, which is why we have so many problems attracting people to the profession. If this were not the case, then this wouldn't be an issue, would it? And does NYC really pay its teachers that well, relative to the extremely high cost-of-living there? Can they actually afford to live in NYC near the schools they work at, or do they have to commute in from cheaper places like Jersey City (which isn't even in the same state)?
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday August 13 2020, @12:24AM
Worse--Staten Island.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 13 2020, @02:38AM
People think that those who can do some math are automatically good teachers. Bullshit.
Teaching as a skill in itself is totally undervalued. I would take a good teacher over specialist expertise any day of the week. Even at uni level - the teaching quality is far more relevant that the subject matter. Kids don't need motivation to learn, they just need the douchebag at the front to give it to them straight and not get hung up on whatever their problem is.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 13 2020, @04:12PM
You should also factor in the continuing education that teachers are required to take - these are significant expenses on top of the 6-8 years of schooling any prospective teacher would be in debt for. If you can do math, that doesn't sound like a great choice.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 12 2020, @05:03PM (6 children)
Quoth the parent:
"For example, all kids should learn how to program from kindergarten on (adjusted on an age-appropriate basis, of course)."
Oh please. Do you say that because it's the only white collar job left that pays decently that is not management? Why do you think that is? What do you think will happen when the labor pool of programmers is dramatically expanded to include EVERYBODY? Hint: Supply and demand will kick in and readjust the price of labor.
There is noting magical about computer programming that warrants elevating it so far above other disciplines. I would encourage teaching programming to solve simple problems (i.e., self-contained sorts of problems) because it can be used to teach breaking a bigger problem into solvable pieces. This is a useful approach and attitude to teach. As for cranking out Python "coders": for most students, this is a waste of time.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday August 12 2020, @05:29PM
I'll take up for GP's opinion here.
We already force kids to sit at computers, all through school. With few exceptions, their hours at the computer prepares them to be office drones, working in the Microsoft environment. Meaningless bullshit, preparing them to be wage slaves. They are taught Excel spread sheets, then pushed out into the working world - if, that is, they intend to even work.
Given that we already force them to spend endless hours in front of computers, WTF aren't we teaching them anything meaningful? If you are smart enough to jump through all the stupid hoops that Microsoft makes you jump through (How's that ribbon work, again?) then you are probably smart enough to contribute something useful.
Programming is far more useful than learning Excel, and far more rewarding. That statement stands even if the kid never programs anything more than a stupid "Hello World".
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday August 12 2020, @06:14PM (4 children)
Great logic. Lemme try:
Oh please. Do you say that because it's the only white collar job left that pays decently that is not management? Why do you think that is? What do you think will happen when the labor pool of people who can read is dramatically expanded to include EVERYBODY? Hint: Supply and demand will kick in and readjust the price of labor.
There is noting magical about reading that warrants elevating it so far above other disciplines. I would encourage teaching reading to understand simple phrases (i.e., self-contained sorts of problems) because it can be used to teach understanding a bigger block of text. This is a useful approach and attitude to teach. As for cranking out essay "writers": for most students, this is a waste of time.
Hmm, I don't know if that works the way you think it does. Lemme try again:
Oh please. Do you say that because it's the only white collar job left that pays decently that is not management? Why do you think that is? What do you think will happen when the labor pool of people who can do basic sums is dramatically expanded to include EVERYBODY? Hint: Supply and demand will kick in and readjust the price of labor.
There is noting magical about math that warrants elevating it so far above other disciplines. I would encourage teaching math to solve simple problems (i.e., self-contained sorts of problems) because it can be used to teach breaking a bigger problem into solvable pieces. This is a useful approach and attitude to teach. As for cranking out basic "mathematicians": for most students, this is a waste of time.
So, gosh, you're right. We should not teach kids how to code, read, or do math lest they be able to do stuff and compete with you in the labor market.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 12 2020, @06:43PM (3 children)
Reading, writing, and math are generally useful skills that can be used literally anywhere, in any job, or off the job.
Computer programming is a much more focused and limited skill to teach. Might as well say welding is a useful thing so we should teach **all** kids to weld.
You are confusing a general (what used to be called "liberal") education with a trade school.
As I said in my prior post, I am in favor of having one simplified programming class for everyone to teach learning to break up a bigger problem into smaller problems. but serious programming classes ought to be electives.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 12 2020, @07:01PM (2 children)
You shouldn't argue with that guy, he and runaway take classes together on how to be most wrong in a conversation.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday August 12 2020, @07:58PM (1 child)
You shouldn't argue with this guy, he and his AC parent take classes together on how to be most mewling in a conversation.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 12 2020, @08:42PM
Not my fault your opinions aren't worth engaging seriously with. Maybe you should go to some college campuses and argue with some first years.
(Score: 2) by Opportunist on Wednesday August 12 2020, @05:13PM (9 children)
If you teach programming like you teach the rest of the curriculum, you get a batch of cargo-cult programmers but not anything that can do more than copy/paste from stackoverflow. First move away from rote-learning, then try to teach something that can't be rote-taught.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday August 12 2020, @06:00PM (8 children)
I agree: rote learning is part of that "preparing them to be factory workers" approach. There are a number of modern, better approaches.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Opportunist on Wednesday August 12 2020, @06:33PM (7 children)
That's why I said you FIRST have to change the school system before you start trying changes to the curriculum. Else you're just pouring good wine into leaky casks.
We have to teach one of the most important skills that today's society needs: The ability to learn continuously. To know what is necessary to ackquire new knowledge. To differentiate between information and bullshit. And no later than the last part you're fighting a severe uphill battle, because nobody who could possibly be involved in this would actually want that. Certainly not politicians who need nothing less than an electorate that can't be bullshitted. Not a board of education that wants easily standardizable tests. And finally not principals and teachers that value obedience over curiosity.
This is something that might (MIGHT!) work in a private school where the structures are smaller and you have more leverage against a system fighting you, but the outlook for the public school system and its omnipotent bureaucracy is bleak.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 12 2020, @07:01PM (3 children)
Your anti-public schooling schtick is getting boring. If the public schools in your area are bad, that's a local issue, not some universal truth. Students in school districts that are run competently with adequate funding get a good education that covers all of your areas of complaint.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday August 12 2020, @07:54PM (2 children)
Your triumphalism schtick is getting boring. If the public schools in your area are good, that's a local issue, not some universal truth. Students in school districts that are run competently with adequate funding get a good education that covers all of your areas of complaint, if they're white/asian/south asian and upper middle class or better.
Thanks for demonstrating your ignorance of the educational realities that most black and Latino children, and some others of other ethnicities, face in America's urban school districts.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 12 2020, @08:45PM
Your copy/paste skills are great, keep it up, very convincing. So much wow, possibly even a shamwow.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 13 2020, @04:16PM
I understand that inner city schools have lots of issues, but that doesn't make public school bad, that just makes the administrations running those school districts bad. I went to an incredibly diverse school with only a 50% white population, still got a good education.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday August 12 2020, @07:50PM (2 children)
I agree. I said initially that instead of switching public schools on and off again willy-nilly, we should switch them off. Homeschool in the meantime and move on to something new and better.
There are experimental programs here and there that are trying what you propose (and I also support), but there is deep-seated resistance to change in the system, with no real incentive to change. If parents walk away after the coronavirus shutdowns, perhaps they will find the will to make those changes, but in the end parents and students can't wait for the education industry to catch up to economic realities that came about 80 years ago. For once in history the tools to learn are widely available and cheap or free, so we should seize those opportunities for ourselves and kids and let the education dinosaurs die out.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 12 2020, @09:23PM
Or, bear with me here, we put all the corrupt assholes in prison and appoint a real educator instead of some greedy evangelical bitch?
Nah, makes too much sense. Better burn the whole country down and let the Native Americans rebuild.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 12 2020, @11:07PM
Ah, you tilt your hand. It was all a ploy to denigrate institutions that are bombarded by rightwing assholes to make them as dysfunctional as possible, all so the same assholes can privatize schools to leech even more money from the average American.
You sir are a cock gobbling wanker and the world would be better off without you.
(Score: 3, Informative) by shortscreen on Wednesday August 12 2020, @06:19PM (3 children)
If I had had to study programming throughout school, I guarantee that I would hate it and stay as far away from it as possible today.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday August 12 2020, @07:56PM (1 child)
Something tells me that even if you hated grammar in school and loathed reading Shakespeare in high school that you're probably still able to form sentences and read challenging material.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by shortscreen on Thursday August 13 2020, @02:35AM
Nah, I didn't mind those much. But thanks for the vote of confidence :)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 13 2020, @03:19AM
Actually, I would be OK with this. You may turn off your computer and go outside and play now. No need to hurry back. In fact, I would prefer if you not.