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posted by Fnord666 on Monday November 30 2020, @10:46AM   Printer-friendly
from the pointy-bits dept.

6,000 years of arrows emerge from melting Norwegian ice patch:

Archaeologists in Norway have discovered dozens of arrows—some dating back 6,000 years—melting out of a 60-acre ice patch in the county's high mountains.

Expeditions to survey the Langfonne ice patch in 2014 and 2016, both particularly warm summers, also revealed copious reindeer bones and antlers, suggesting that hunters used the ice patch over the course of millennia. Their hunting technique stayed the same even as the weapons they used evolved from stone and river shell arrowheads to iron points.

Now the research team is revealing the finds in a paper published today in the journal Holocene. A record-setting total of 68 complete and partial arrows (and five arrowheads) were ultimately discovered by the team on and around the melting ice patch–more than archaeologists have recovered from any other frozen site in the world. Some of the projectiles date to the Neolithic period while the most "recent" finds are from the 14th century A.D.

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Ice melt reveals ancient reindeer-hunting arrows. - Thanks Runaway1956!

Journal Reference:
Lars Holger Pilø, James H Barrett, Trond Eiken, et al. Interpreting archaeological site-formation processes at a mountain ice patch: A case study from Langfonne, Norway: [open], The Holocene (DOI: 10.1177/0959683620972775)


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  • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 30 2020, @10:59AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 30 2020, @10:59AM (#1082331)

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 30 2020, @07:59PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 30 2020, @07:59PM (#1082514)

      Dear Lord, please rapture this guy first... and soon.

  • (Score: 2, Informative) by HammeredGlass on Monday November 30 2020, @02:23PM

    by HammeredGlass (12241) on Monday November 30 2020, @02:23PM (#1082363)

    Use this link or strip the \ off the end.

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0959683620972775 [sagepub.com]

  • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 30 2020, @02:41PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 30 2020, @02:41PM (#1082367)

    From global warming, not being sarcastic, would have never found these without it.

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 30 2020, @02:59PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 30 2020, @02:59PM (#1082371)

      Not to mention, those who enjoy water sports will have more ocean to play in. Any more upsides?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 30 2020, @10:29PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 30 2020, @10:29PM (#1082589)

        The greatest upside is the high chance of human extinction. Turn humans into coal! Energy for the future!

  • (Score: 3, Troll) by Phoenix666 on Monday November 30 2020, @03:02PM (16 children)

    by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday November 30 2020, @03:02PM (#1082374) Journal

    Reading the article, it's curious that even when they disproved their time machine theory for the ice patch they still clung to the implicit assumption that the size of the ice patch was unidirectional. That is, the time machine theory was that older artifacts would be buried deeper and closer to the center of the ice patch, while more modern artifacts would be found shallower and at the periphery, in the same way that archaeologists reckon that artifacts buried deeper in dirt are older. But that's not what they found at Langfonne. The older and modern artifacts were mixed up in a way that suggested the size of the patch had waxed and waned, with melt water and wind scattering arrow shafts and such around the area before they were covered again by snow and ice.

    Yet even with that evidence staring them in the face, that the ice patch has shrunk and grown repeatedly over time, they express alarm that the ice patch has shrunk since the 90's and assume that this time, it's only going in one direction.

    We know for a scientific fact that the Earth was a much hotter planet in the past, and that life flourished then. But we're being told now that with the climate trending hotter that it's the end of the world. Is it? Or is it a cycle, with colder temperatures set to inevitably return someday?

    --
    Washington DC delenda est.
    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Monday November 30 2020, @03:59PM (7 children)

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Monday November 30 2020, @03:59PM (#1082402)

      Earth was a much hotter planet in the past, and that life flourished then

      If all you care about is life, sure, end of the Holocene will be good for life - a mass extinction reboot with massive opportunities for evolutionary progress.

      If you care about optimal conditions for H.sapiens, the Holocene is the climate which allowed us to conquer the globe - other climates will still support abundant life, but odds of H.sapiens doing better in differing climates are vanishingly low, and when the shit of 8 billion hits the fan around the globe simultaneously it will not be pretty.

      --
      🌻🌻 [google.com]
      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday November 30 2020, @04:26PM (5 children)

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday November 30 2020, @04:26PM (#1082416) Journal

        the Holocene is the climate which allowed us to conquer the globe

        Arguably it was the Pleistocene that allowed us to conquer the globe, because the Holocene severed the Beringia Land Bridge that had connected the Americas to the Eurasian landmass. Similarly humans were able to cross Doggerland to the British Isles, Oceania to Australia, etc. But we adapted to hotter temperatures and different climatic and geographical realities, and flourished.

        I don't care for hotter temperatures myself, but humans are very adaptable and becoming more so all the time. Living in the Kalahari is not my idea of a good time but humans live there. Djakarta's unbearable heat and humidity are my idea of hell on earth, but it's no barrier to civilization.

        If the Day After Tomorrow happens, we'll have a rough time. If change happens slower than that, I suspect we'll find a way.

        --
        Washington DC delenda est.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 30 2020, @05:25PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 30 2020, @05:25PM (#1082439)
        • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Monday November 30 2020, @06:15PM (3 children)

          by JoeMerchant (3937) on Monday November 30 2020, @06:15PM (#1082464)

          I suspect we'll find a way.

          I suspect we as a species will find a way, up to and even including Day After Tomorrow scenarios.

          I do believe that we can handle challenges like COVID without too much trouble, but challenges like 20m sea level rise in 100 years may be enough to collapse civilization and crash the human population down 90% or more in a couple of decades - which is the kind of thing 90% or more of us should probably be steering the future to avoid.

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          🌻🌻 [google.com]
          • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday December 01 2020, @02:05PM (2 children)

            by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday December 01 2020, @02:05PM (#1082810) Journal

            challenges like 20m sea level rise in 100 years

            That sounds like the blink of an eye on a geological time scale, but in human terms it's quite long and sufficient to deal with such a development. Remember, the Interstate highway system, hydroelectric dams, skyscrapers, modern ports, flood control systems, and most of the infrastructure America has now was built in only a portion of the last 100 years. So if that's the time scale we'll be just fine, if a little busy at points.

            90% of humanity, per your fear, would only die if it was 20m sea level rise in 24 hours. If that's a real possibility, then everyone should invest in an inflatable zodiac. I've got mine.

            --
            Washington DC delenda est.
            • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday December 01 2020, @02:43PM (1 child)

              by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday December 01 2020, @02:43PM (#1082818)

              Nobody (well, very very few) will drown from 20m in 100 years, we have the ability to rebuild the coastal cities so nobody goes homeless even with 20m in 30 years, but... the economic upheaval may well collapse civilization, and that could lead to 90% of humanity dying from starvation, exposure, etc. - even without sea level rise. Radical changes in farm productivity, trade balance between nations, etc. might well strain international and domestic relationships past the breaking point, with fresh water wars being the most likely initial trigger. Maybe if we can get fusion power up in time that will solve the fresh water issue, which is really the basis of our food chain.

              By the time an inflatable Zodiac helps you in a fast moving ecological crisis, you are probably better off stocking cyanide pills instead.

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              🌻🌻 [google.com]
              • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday December 01 2020, @02:56PM

                by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday December 01 2020, @02:56PM (#1082822) Journal

                you are probably better off stocking cyanide pills instead.

                So you can poison all your neighbors and take their supplies? Damn, you are one evil genius, JoeMerchant.

                Nobody (well, very very few) will drown from 20m in 100 years, we have the ability to rebuild the coastal cities so nobody goes homeless even with 20m in 30 years, but... the economic upheaval may well collapse civilization, and that could lead to 90% of humanity dying from starvation, exposure, etc. - even without sea level rise. Radical changes in farm productivity, trade balance between nations, etc. might well strain international and domestic relationships past the breaking point, with fresh water wars being the most likely initial trigger. Maybe if we can get fusion power up in time that will solve the fresh water issue, which is really the basis of our food chain.

                Sigh. Yet another sign that the educational system has failed our youth. Future historians firmly established that the cause of the 21st Century Collapse was the delay in the production of the iPhone XII.

                --
                Washington DC delenda est.
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 30 2020, @06:18PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 30 2020, @06:18PM (#1082465)

        decolonize climate!

    • (Score: 2, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Monday November 30 2020, @04:49PM (5 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 30 2020, @04:49PM (#1082425) Journal

      What is needed to stand the global warming alarmists on their head, is a 7 or 8 or even 10 thousand year old village, located under a glacier. We can theorize forever about how man-made portable items were distributed on, in, and under glaciers. You couldn't explain away building foundations located in a more protected little valley, where the ice failed to scour it all away. Better than a village would be something larger, that could only be characterized as a town. Forget about cities. Even today we don't locate cities up in the treelines. A proper cemetery located near the village or town would be icing on the cake.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 30 2020, @07:57PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 30 2020, @07:57PM (#1082512)

        Perhaps, perhaps not. You'd need to first define what constitutes an "alarmist" first so that we can at least start from the same frame of reference.

        The more interesting question in my mind is whether there is anything that can stand a "denier" on their head? We've got many decades of an amazing diversity of direct observations spread across almost all scientific disciplines, and something like a 95% consensus of scientific opinion on the general points, and they still cover their eyes and ears and follow their talk radio pundits and other similarly unqualified thought leaders to . . . well, I don't know where. And it is a intellectual mindset. For instance, did you know there are people who actually deny COVID is real even as they are literally dying of it?

        Some men, you just can't reach. So he goes to a rally or motorcycle event and he gets COVID -- which is the way he wants it. Well, he gets it. And I don't like it anymore than you men.

        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Monday November 30 2020, @08:16PM

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 30 2020, @08:16PM (#1082524) Journal

          whether there is anything that can stand a "denier" on their head?

          I dunno - maybe if you can explain away the tropical ferns under the antarctic ice that were apparently quick-freeze-dried overnight? Key words there are "tropical" fern, in "antarctica", and "overnight". It seems that ALL of the world's landmasses have been covered in tropical forests in the past. Yet, life persisted, even through the ice ages. Life will persist even through the next warm period.

          We will adjust, or we will die.

        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by hemocyanin on Tuesday December 01 2020, @12:22AM (1 child)

          by hemocyanin (186) on Tuesday December 01 2020, @12:22AM (#1082617) Journal

          Some men, you just can't reach. So he goes to a rally or motorcycle event and he gets COVID ...

          But if he got it at an Antifa/BLM riot, that would be pro-science, right? https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/06/us/Epidemiologists-coronavirus-protests-quarantine.html [nytimes.com]

          If we are going to be honest, "science denial" is a symptom of both Team Red and Team Blue. The word "science denial" though is sort of loaded with presumption. Science is a process, a method, for getting to every more accurate understandings of reality, but to think that once this method lends supporting evidence to one ideology or the other, that the issue is settled for all time, and never subject to revision by later better information, is to misunderstand at the most fundamental level what science is and what the answers that we get actually mean.

          I am not in any way denigrating science here -- I'm not suggesting that scientific knowledge is invalid because it is subject to change and correction, nor saying we should not use our scientific understandings to inform policy. Quite the opposite in fact because the scientific method is THE MOST powerful, useful, efficient, and effective means of ascertaining the truth (or a best approximation thereof) about reality that has existed in all of human history. No other method of acquiring knowledge comes even close to the scientific method. What I am denigrating however, is the "follow science" ideological regurgitators who only use that slogan when scientific findings support their presumptions, or worse, who employ their scientific prestige to push an agenda under religious circumstances as noted above.

          • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday December 01 2020, @02:26PM

            by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday December 01 2020, @02:26PM (#1082815) Journal

            That is very well put. I hope you save this comment and repost it in the future when the subject inevitably comes up again.

            --
            Washington DC delenda est.
      • (Score: 4, Informative) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday December 01 2020, @02:23PM

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday December 01 2020, @02:23PM (#1082813) Journal

        I don't know of a case like that, but we do have many examples of humans surviving the sea level rise which occurred at the end of the Pleistocene. Doggerland [wikipedia.org], which we've covered on Soylent many times, was a rich area between today's coastal Holland and the British Isles and formed the pathway by which the British Isles were originally settled. When the sea level rose, the humans did not all die out--they moved on.

        Underwater archaeologist Robert Ballard mapped the floor of the Black Sea and found the remains of ancient houses of wood and mud [nydailynews.com] that existed on the shore of the ancient, smaller body of water before the Mediterranean breached the Bosporus. Humans did not die out because of the flood. They moved on.

        In more recent times a Roman city at Kekova sank beneath the waves [theculturetrip.com]. The Roman Empire did not collapse. The people moved on and carried on.

        Off the shore of India, there's another ancient city that sank beneath the waves [themysteriousindia.net]. Indian civilization did not cease. It continued.

        In other words, we have a lot of archaeological evidence of humans and their civilization surviving dramatic and significant climate change (I didn't even go into the Little Ice Age), but today's Chicken Littles want to blithely ignore fact and scientific evidence in favor of their Narrative.

        Is climate change fun to deal with? No, but it happens whether we want it to or not. It is our lot.

        --
        Washington DC delenda est.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 30 2020, @08:16PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 30 2020, @08:16PM (#1082525)

      that's because they are whores towing the party line.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 30 2020, @11:20PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 30 2020, @11:20PM (#1082597)

      1º - the layers of ice being a time machine depend of conditions. It requires permanent ice, low slope and few cracks. If you remove of of then, you will get migration of objects to different layers and so, "no time machine"
      Not all places that have ice comply with that rules
      2º- The end of the world is not for live, it for current life and species. Rapid change in environment will create mass extinction. Some species will die, others will increase. Human... it is unknown, probably mass hunger, forced migration will trigger wars. Places that had water may find then self without none, or not enough for the population size. Migration in the closest pole direction will pressure everyone. Many countries like we know today may stop existing (imagine Egipt existing without the nile! or Texas without water). The planet earth will survive, hell, Venus survive with 400ºc temps... Live may be very different and Canada might build a wall to stop the USA people from migrating north... funny right!?!
      3º- earth was cooler and hotter in the past, but those changes where slow and every time they swift, many live disappeared and others raised. Remember that we all were some sort of mouse before dinos went extinct

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