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on Wednesday October 08 2014, @05:32PM
from the stoking-the-systemd-flame-war dept.
from the stoking-the-systemd-flame-war dept.
Systemd will have a console daemon, replacing the kernel console, to the applause of phoronix forums.
And of course, it will make even more impossible to use anything besides systemd with the Linux kernel, as a side effect, which seems even more to be the goal. Is there nothing that systemd will not eventually do?
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Systemd 217 will Include a Console Daemon
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(Score: 3, Informative) by jdccdevel on Wednesday October 08 2014, @06:07PM
Sabayon Linux [sabayon.org] is a binary (no compiling from source unless you want to), rolling release distro based on Gentoo.
Gentoo uses openrc [wikipedia.org] for it's init system. It works really well.
I just found out about it the other day, and it's been working really well for me so far. I used Gentoo for almost 10 years, but the compile times finally got to me, and I went to arch. With the systemd debacle, It looks like Sabayon is the cure.
These guys really need to advertise themselves better. Distro's that avoid systemd could really use this time to gain popularity, and developers.
(Score: 3, Informative) by deimtee on Wednesday October 08 2014, @06:23PM
If you go to that sabayon link about halfway down it says that release 14.01is shipping with systemd as the default init system.
They say they are going to keep supporting openrc "at least for some time", but you can guess that things will start to depend on other things that depend on systemd.
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by jdccdevel on Wednesday October 08 2014, @06:32PM
I see that now.
I was confused, because the boot-screen looks the same as good-old openrc.
The minimal bootcd is even using systemd.
Thankfully, Gentoo hasn't gone that route. Maybe somewhere, someone else has a binary distro based on Gentoo that hasn't fallen to the evil empire.
This is really making me mad.
(Score: 2) by tibman on Wednesday October 08 2014, @07:45PM
I think that is the true danger though. Using systemd doesn't make your system not work or anything. It works great. But if you care about the internals then you will certainly have problems with it.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 09 2014, @12:05AM
Sorry, I can't see how you can say that a system with systemd installed "works great". The mere presence of binary log files is just about as broken as something can get. If binary log files are present, the system is not working fine. The system is badly broken!
(Score: 3, Insightful) by tibman on Thursday October 09 2014, @12:54AM
Please don't misunderstand, i was trying to say that if someone never reads their logs or does anything with the internals then systemd "works great". They have no idea : )
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 08 2014, @08:23PM
10 hours before you posted this disinformation (again), you had a reply to the previous iteration which told you it was nonsense. [soylentnews.org]
Again, the Gentoo derivative that religiously avoids systemd is Funtoo.
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(Score: 2) by jdccdevel on Wednesday October 08 2014, @09:11PM
Sorry about the misinformation. I was mistaken. I will do better with my fact checking in the future.
Since the bootup process looked just like it did with openrc, and it's based on Gentoo (which is still openrc by default from my understanding), I assumed that it wasn't using systemd.
I would like to note however... Since you posted your replies as AC, they didn't show up in my soylentnews "Inbox", and you must have replied after I stopped watching the thread.